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Wednesday Jan 07, 2009
Yeshiva Boy: What would you fight for? Posted by Nathaniel Rosen
Comments: 28
Hannukah has ended, but the ideals and lessons of the holiday burn as bright as the holiday flames. This year the ideals of heroism, the right to live a Jewish life and fighting for what you believe in manifest themselves more vibrantly and visibly than in years past. Like the Maccabees, we are at war against an enemy who wishes to destroy our spirit, desecrate that which we hold dear and question our very right to exist as Jews in a Jewish land. Like the Maccabees, we have chosen to fight, knowing full well the danger which that entails. As I sit in Yeshiva, the battle in Gaza is on my mind. I think about the young soldiers -- my peers -- who are placing themselves in harm's way to defend their homeland and its people. I think how easily Moshe in Golani could have been Natanel. I think about the families in the South that live under the constant threat and barrage of rockets. I think about the families in Gaza and the unintentional civilian casualties, which are tragic casualties nonetheless. And despite all that, my thoughts are drawn time and time again to one seemingly unrelated event: a Hannukah party I attended days before the fighting began. My class and I went to my Rabbi's apartment for a Hannukah party. After singing traditional songs and eating our fair share of sufganiyot, I expected a D'var Torah from my Rabbi. What I got was a question, and a seemingly simple one at that. "What would you fight for? What would you literally get up, place yourself in harms way, and throw a punch for?" The question was sobering. Silence pierced the room. As the Rabbi posed the question to each person, many couldn't muster answers. Right then an epiphany hit me harder than the punch the Rabbi was talking about. Maybe the reason many people my age don't know what it is they'd fight for is because they have never been forced to fight for much of anything before. The vast majority of young adults who came to Israel this year have never been victims of anti-Semitism, been told they couldn't live in their hometowns, or had their families threatened. And thank G-d they haven't. But whereas older generations were pioneers, underdogs and fighters working to build their lives in America, Israel or where have you, my peers and I are often complacent, byproducts of a life of comfort and affluence unparalleled by any other period in history. We have the world at our fingertips, but many of us don't know what to do with our seemingly unchecked potential and the responsibility that accompanies it. Maybe figuring out what our responsibilities are begins by asking, "Where would I draw the line, what sort of events would force me to stand up and let my fists fly. When does the risk of staying on the sidelines outweigh the risk of doing something?" When is it, as General George S. Patton said, "Better to fight for something than live for nothing." For the Maccabees the final straw was the attack on their religion, for others throughout history it was the threat to their land, families, economic survival, and for the State of Israel it has become clear that the existential line is its enemies' attempt to deprive its citizens of their safety and its right to exist as a Jewish state. The Maccabees were forced to figure out what they would fight for. At some point the rest of us will be too.
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Mike Berman,
Wednesday Jan 07, 2009
Great Piece.
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Joseph, London,
Thursday Jan 08, 2009
Exceptionally well written! Yasher koach!
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neddie,
Thursday Jan 08, 2009
Yeshiva boys are commanded by their few leading rabbis not to join the army.
Never rmind the Toarh commandment commanding even bride and groom to fight in a war imposed on Israel.
How would they fight when they never were trained to fight???
It's only the government and the courts that are responsible for letting them get away from the draft.
The Hight Priests of ancient Israel alone fought Israel's battles to victory with G-d's help then.
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Ben USA,
Thursday Jan 08, 2009
One Yeshivah, one Rabbi, one Bucher's response, seemingly. Now what? Will other Rebbunim challenge their students as this rabbi did? Does the Rabbinate agree that this is the correct approach to be used with the student body? If not, why not?
I saw how Americans of all faiths reacted following Pearl Harbor. The men rushed to enlist to serve their country. It seems that this is not what happens in Israel when she is attacked.
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Moshe Broder, Washington Heights,
Thursday Jan 08, 2009
neddie- you are missing the point of his article. also, what you said about the rabbis commanding the yeshiva boys to not join the army is simply not true and a large generalization. I know of many rabbis who 'command' exactly the opposite!
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Avi, Kfar Saba,
Thursday Jan 08, 2009
Good piece. Hard question. Are other yeshiva guys struggling with this as well?
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Miriam Netivot,
Thursday Jan 08, 2009
Yeshiva boys make up a good part of the front line. My nephews are in Nachal Haredi. These units are growing very quickly.
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Edith,
Thursday Jan 08, 2009
To treat Hamas as Israel once treated Arafat, the leader of Fatah who is now considered "friendly" is to repeat history. Fatah's aim was as well to destroy Israel... To not engage in talks with Hamas and to try to destabilize their authority is fruitless. Engagement doesn't mean endorsement..
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Edith, Toronto,
Thursday Jan 08, 2009
I think the correct statement is rather "If you don't stand for something you will fall for anything." War is admitting you don't know what else to do, it is admitting defeat. Where was the big fuss about the rockets landing on Israeli soil prior to the Israeli offensive/defensive action? Couldn't the Israeli leadership see that their method of trying to install in Gaza their vision of what a government should be by choking Hamas wasn't working? I agree, Israel needed to do something about the situation but big incursions didn't work in the past and don't seem to work now.
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neddie,
Thursday Jan 08, 2009
5 and 7 Less than a few hundred at most in the entire IDF are the Nahal Haredi and lots of them aren't haredi but kippot srugot. Instead of fragile girls serving in all ranks the rabbis think that reciting psalms alone in their 4 cubic feet room is the answer. Well it's not. And shame on those in authority who would turn over backwards if they knew that so many of those they exempt are busy in falaffel stores and watching soccer practice outside stadium gates or infighting politically and telling everyone that the IDF isn't even needed. And I'm not an outsider but an insider. And if the truth h
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David J Feiger USA,
Thursday Jan 08, 2009
Talking to Arafat was the biggest mistake of Israel foreign policy. The 1964 PLO charter does not call for a Pal State. In fact the PLO denies sovereignty over the Jordanian West Band and Gaza. Palestine was Israel behind the Green Line. The Arabs established a special refugee agency for Pals so that they would not be resettled. The other UN agency resettles refugees. Arafat couls have had a state in 2000 but refused over a few KM of land. The left supports this act to maintain human suffering. How can you support a terrorist racist organization that has begun to impose Sharia Law on sec. Pals
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ilan Sebag Ashdod,
Friday Jan 09, 2009
What Yeshiva boys do best is debate and debate endlesslly
So how about instead of debating endlessly once more what Yeshiva boys would fight for, simply volunteer, DO something and help the IDF or volunteer in Sderot.
Enough already. Shame on those who would let others bleed so they can spend their time debating
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sarah rosenburg,
Friday Jan 09, 2009
this is a wonderfull pice
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Eliezer - Israel,
Friday Jan 09, 2009
Ben, putting the yeshiva guys aside, from what I heard, when the call came for reservists, they had over 115% coming in. That doesn't sound like anyone shirking away.
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Yehuda, Bet Shemesh,
Friday Jan 09, 2009
Dovid HaMelech is a Jew we should all be looking up to right now. No more b.s. about bochurim being commanded not to join, as Dovid HaMelech believed, for every Jew out fighting, we need others learning. Our wars are not won by us, they are won by G-d, however, we still need to put forth all of our effort. I am in yeshiva this year and I am set on learning all of Tanach, at the conclusion of this year I am enlisting as a soldier, heading to special forces and I believe in what I am fighting for because of Tanach. Let it be noted, that our first soldiers to die in Aza were all religious Jews.
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Billy USA,
Friday Jan 09, 2009
The piece is well written and the message is clear. In todays wold very few of us have ever really been backed into a corner where we have to decide whether to keep taking a beating or fight back. Isreals response to the suicide bombings and rocket attacks is completly justified. Its in the entire worlds best interest that all terrorists be engaged and destroyed.
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JACK MEYERS,
Friday Jan 09, 2009
A QUESTION THAT BEGS TO BE HONESTLY DISCUSSED THROUGHOUT THE JEWISH WORLD.....ISRAEL AND US AND ELSEWHERE IN DIASPORA ... BY BOTH OBSERVANT AND SECULAR
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Chaya Gross Jerusalem,
Saturday Jan 10, 2009
BH
Is fighting the only way? We, the Jewish People are meant to be a light unto the nations and having failed that we figure might is right. It isn't. In war nobody wins. True there is a commandment that says when one comes to kill you, kill them first. Don't call yourself a "Jewish State" and then expel 10,000 Jews from their homes against their will, and then go to war "fighting terror". Why were they not fighting terror when Jews were willingly living in the exact places they are fighting in now? Everyone knew exactly what dismantling Gush Katif would do and now we are living it.
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Alan Schleider, Neve Daniel, Israel,
Sunday Jan 11, 2009
Neddie, let it go: The best and brightest of Tzahal include countless Hesder yeshiva fighters. They, too, are Yeshiva Bochrim. How do you know with such certitude what kind of yeshiva this writeup represents? If it is a religious Zionist yeshiva, why the sarcstic reaction. For that matter, if a less Zionist rosh hayeshiva actually "gets it", why the sarcasm. If this not the time you should take the razor blade off your pen...? We're in this thing together. You should celebrate, not criticize, clear thinking.
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Jeffrey B. ... Greer SC USA,
Sunday Jan 11, 2009
Notwithstanding the fact that General George Patton was, by his own admission, a War Lover, and possibly a lunatic, this "What would you fight for?" imbroglio is a mine field. But, Mr. Rosen, Yeshiva Boy???, as an American citizen, I'm afraid your "Reb" would number me amongst the complacent. And, probably a coward too. I really don't the answer to this question, but, rockets raining into my city daily, for years, is a powerful motivator. I believe I understand the World's underlying Anti-Semitism, as it criticizes Israel but never mentions the atrocities of Hamas.
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Miriam Ashkelon,
Sunday Jan 11, 2009
No 15 Yehuda Bet Shemesh. Kol Hakoved to you. I have always wondered why on earth they do not study the Tanach in the Yeshivas. Let us note that ALL our soldiers bless them, not only the religious ones are great heroes, May Hashem bless you Yehuda. From an old Safta in Ashkelon.
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Joseph from Los Angeles,
Sunday Jan 11, 2009
Well written. I completely agree.
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israel kestenbaum, Jerusalem,
Sunday Jan 11, 2009
I have more respect for people whose lives are motivated by idealism, even if they are my enemies, than for those who live lives simply trying to get the most out of it,even if they pose no threat to me...We are all called to live with purpose...Its sad when the wrong purpose is chosen...Its tragic when we live mindlessly with no purpose at all...
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Mike Carroll USA mcarroll4prjc@gmail.com,
Sunday Jan 11, 2009
Well as a diaspora from the house of Joseph/Ephraim I look forward to the time I can fight with Israel against the enemies of God. I see the videos and watch all the protests and see the hate and my zeal burns within me. I don't want to talk or stand Behind Israel I want to stand WITH Israel. There are lines being drawn and I believe that everyone on earth will take a side and be judged or blessed on their decision. I look forward to Israel recognizing Joseph just like in the Torah portion and letting me stand and fight like David who was enraged that the Philistines mocked God.
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Jan, Denmark,
Thursday Jan 15, 2009
To me this is a very good question that should be posed to anyone, and like the writer suggests, I think far too many, perhaps especially in the western world has grown too used to a "care free life".
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Atif ,London,
Saturday Jan 17, 2009
' .... have never been victims of anti-Semitism, been told they couldn't live in their hometowns, or had their families threatened. ......
great words ; but dont you think they can apply to the palestinian people as well these past 60 yrs who have had these same traumas inflicted upon them ? you owe it to the Jewish people around the world to stop unleashing your military might against innocent children and women and extend a sincere hand of friendship, but one coupled with justice and fairness. This is how Israel will achieve true security.
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Angela Nelson, Covington Kentucky,
Thursday Jan 22, 2009
Good question....Many of us are in prayer for Israel now
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David, Israel,
Thursday Feb 26, 2009
"Action speaks louder than words/"
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