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Monday Jun 18, 2007
Orthodox Opinions: The Rebbe's legacy Posted by Rabbi Tzvi Hersh Weinreb
Comments: 27
June 19, the third day of Tammuz, is the anniversary of the demise of the Lubavicher Rebbe, the late leader of the Chabad movement, Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson, of blessed memory. It is an appropriate time to reflect upon his influence on the Jewish world, which was of historic dimensions, and which persists even after his passing.
1 | Moshe, Monday Jun 18, 2007
Unfortunately, it is not "many" of his followers who believe that the Rebbe is the messiah; it is virtually all of them. This belief is not based on "fragmentary remarks", but rather is solidly grounded in many statements of the Rebbe to the effect that the 7th Lubavitcher Rebbe has to be Moshiach. Aside from the messianic concepts, they also follow the Rebbe's 1950 teaching that a Rebbe is "the essence of God enveloped in a body." Thus, it would seem that the hope which Rabbi Weinreb expresses in the last paragraph is far too optimistic.
2 | Ben Azai, Monday Jun 18, 2007
I have had many educational involvements with Lubavitch. My own feeling is that, although they do tremendous work in outreach, they tend to promote Lubavitch more than Judaism. For quite a long time they also promoted their dangerous view that Moshiach had arrived at 770. Other Orthodox umbrella groups like Agudath Israel and the American Orthodox Union have tended to keep a safe distance because of this Messianic fervour. How could anyone as brilliant and charismatic as the last Rebbe not groom a successor? It's one of the great mysteries of Jewish history.
3 | osvaldo miranda, Monday Jun 18, 2007
I'm struck to see so much naivete around Chabad's true nature.
Chabad is a fundamentalist movement, monopolistic, ruthless and deceitful. I would ask all these "Chabad praisers" how life would be in Chabad dominated Jewish Communities, or in a "chabad dominated" Israel. This should be a sobering thought to have before go on an praising this Ayatollah-like movement
4 | Ronald Spiegel, Monday Jun 18, 2007
Chabad is beautiful. Its love, wisdom, intellect and understanding. I just don't understand all this negativity towads the Lubavitcher movement. I'm glad I don't get it. I for one look for Mossiach everyday and do my best to make him welcome here in this world.
5 | Chaim, Monday Jun 18, 2007
Whoa! THank you to R. Weinreb for a lucid fair article. to all of you who can't gtive Chabad any credit- you epitomize sinat chinam. what have they ever done to you? Lubavitch has representatives in virually every Jewish community, yet it is not their policy to dominate and control, precisely because they don't force yiddishkeit; they market yiddishkeit. in the U.K, South Africa and Australia where over half of "Orthodox" Rabbis are Chabad, they work with the establishment and build up Torah to greater heights. You are knee-jerk anti's who can't give these amazing people some of their due. shem zich.
6 | Shlomo, Monday Jun 18, 2007
Its beyond me all the PR that Chabad does for itself of self promotion. Chabad is a maximium of a couple of thousand people, whom have been trianed to make alot of noise. There methord of learning (learning mainly Kabbaah and nistar) is not the norm, their outreach methords are new to Judiasm, the runing after non-jews so as the Rebbe should be King of the gentiles also (see R Shmuli Boteach's article in the Post todayu) is un-jewish at the least and comparing the Rebbe to Martin Luther King is one big joke thinking that the goyim are really influenced by the Rebbe. Chabad is a group that believes in PR to push a resurrection religion and as R gifter once said: Chabad is a close religion to Judiasm. We all pray that all the Lubavitchers, who really leaderless come back to the fold, begin learning like their fathers and serve G-d just as their fathers did.
7 | Tzvi, Monday Jun 18, 2007
Thanks for a lucid perception on Chabad. After all one must asked themselves one basic question: What would the Jewish world look like today if Chabad would not have been here?
8 | SL, Monday Jun 18, 2007
Chabad (Lubavitch) is an amazing phenomenon. While its detractors--including many prominent orthodox rabbis and academics such as Rabbi Dr David Berger--correctly point to the messianic delusional thinking which threatens the movement, it has established outposts of Judaism in far-flung locales and its emissaries demonstrate tremendous 'mesirut nefesh' (self sacrifice) on behalf of Israeli soldiers and Jews worldwide.
There is much that can be emulated. Their worship-like devotion to their Rebbe is troublesome, and some of the spinoffs of Chabad border on heresy. Yet, they practice 'emergency room' Judaism, trying to reach those who are so gone that they need emergency treatment and a band-aid of faith, before hopefully progressing to a more mature view of Judaism (such as the traditional Chabad intellectual approach of bygone days).
Rabbi Weinreb's remarks deserve our thanks.
9 | Israel Solomon, Monday Jun 18, 2007
Rabbi Weinreb remarks were accurate and perceptive.
Whenever we speak of Chabad, it is usually an understatement. I would like to add two thoughts about the Rebbe's causing this messianic outpour.
First, prior to this, belief in the messiah was an important principle of Maimonides, but not a vibrant or even controversial issue. This whole messianic fervor about the Rebbe's potential future role has put belief in the messiah back on the front burner in the Jewish world, for better or worst.
Second, there is much less opposition to Chabad in the Orthodox world, as people either side with the messianists who proclaim the Rebbe as the long awaited messiah, or side with the anti-messianists who emphasize the Rebbe's legacy and his myriad of accomplishments.
10 | Yossi, Monday Jun 18, 2007
Firstly one must mention the obvious which is that the relation of the Rebbe's followers with the Rebbe is one based on "Emunas Tzadikim", that is firstly predicated on belief, after which one then tries to understand to the best of their abilities, not the reverse. This is what halacha demands and expects from followers of a Torah teacher, as in "Hameharher achar rabboi, etc." Secondly a central tenet of the Rebbe's teachings and practice was to always push himself, his followers and all Jews to demand of themselves and to push for more than that which they are comfortable doing. Again based on the Gemara re: studying 101 times vs. 100. This he did with regard to outreach for example, in that he made it a central piece of his movement, something which was initially met with resistance, and which was then adopted by the very groups that initially protested. Similarly the Rebbe spoke with conviction and certainty about the central role that Moshiach plays at this juncture in history, in that this will be the generation that will merit to the coming of Moshiach. Again in this the Rebbe leads, with others opposing, then coming along until this is and will become even more so the theme of all the Jewish people. Again based on that which the sages say that three things happen only when they are demanded and requested, one of them being Moshiach. And lastly as to the question why the Rebbe left such unclear succession, one can only venture a guess, but a fair one is that the preparation for, and the greeting of Moshiach, which is what the Rebbe said is the next stage of the work that needs to be accomplished, is ultimately something that people need to sort through, work out and ultimately want and demand, on their own, not because they are being told to do it by someone else.
11 | Dave Weintraub, Monday Jun 18, 2007
Thank you, Rabbi W, for a great article (as usual).
#1: You are simply wrong. Perhaps the most vocal or visible of the Lubavitchers are "Mashichists," but it is certainly not a majority, let alone "virtually all" of them.
#6: "A couple of thousand" Chabadnicks? Maybe men in Crown Heights, alone; maybe the shiluchim in the US, alone (excluding their families and the rest of the world). But all of Lubavitch? A gross undercounting.
Note: I am not a Lubavitcher (although I am acive in the Park Heights Chabad community in Baltimore). As I see it, the distortions of the good that Chabad has been doing and continues to do, 13 years after the Rebbe's passing, represent a major form of Sinas Chinam and Motze Shem Ra.
12 | Bruce, Monday Jun 18, 2007
Thanks #7, I count myself as one of those. I honestly don't know where I'd be Jewishly if it hadn't been for the shaliach (R' Kranz) in Richmond, VA 30 years ago.
13 | M.M., Monday Jun 18, 2007
I agree with the author that the Rebbe belonged to the world. It is an "unorthodox" view, which makes sense from a Rabbi that writes really well and has unorthodox views- his ideas make a whole lot of sense to me.
Having met the Rebbe in 91 or 92 and having my 2 questions "answered" a few months after the meeting, I KNOW now that the power the Rebbe had access to is not a power that can be owned by any religion or group. He had a spiritual power to access and see all things past and future- and to ask other people's dreams to come true- as we all know the Rebbe was capable of that and much more. Perhaps he was bound by the community he was a part of (Chabad) and he could not brake the limitations of this and be a beakon of light to all humanity. Can you imagine a world like that? That he could have reached out to tens of millions and his presence felt by all instead of a few hundred thousand? I think the world would have been a much better place!
I am glad for people like Shmuley Boteach who think outside the box to let us see other possibilities.
14 | Shmuel, Monday Jun 18, 2007
Unfortunately, R. Weinberg shares the blind naivete of Chabad followers. Chabad has shown itself to be ruthless and deceitful in its dealings with host communities, and has earned the deserved reputation of community destroyer. In my community, Chabad has undermined the local Orthodox day school by making wildly unreasonable demands (convert to exclusive chalav yisrael, but first kasher the dairy pots & pans!). When the school refused, they bused their children (20% of the student body) 40 miles away to a Chabad school. When my community was gifted a kollel, Chabad aborted it ruthlessly by undermining its financial support. (Because only Chabad knows the right way to outreach and to teach Torah.) To this outrageous behavior, add egregious interference in the affairs of area shuls, as well as stealing business from the local merchant of lulav/etrog sets (which every other Jewish organization had eschewed in order to avoid hasagat gvul), and you get a picture of cynical, brutal, Chabad-centric behavior that spreads communal damage and resentment. Chabad has done, and continues to accomlish, wonderful things in its outreach work. But the sack of mitzvot has a hole that grows larger, as the damage of Chabad's methods far outweighs the good. Chabad's followers do not see the rot growing beneath their feet. For them, the naivete may be desirable, but R. Weinberg tries to spread it via his blog.
15 | marcus, Monday Jun 18, 2007
I for one appreciate your courage and honesty in evaluating the Rebbe and his movement. However, with all due respect, I ask that you reread your own article and ask yourself the following question: (perhaps you could address it in a future article)
As an observant Jew and community leader, how do you, in accordance with halacha, and the rulings of the Rambam (Laws of Kings 11) and the Talmud (Sanhedrin 92a), envision the future unfolding of Redemption and the Revival of the Dead. I have heard of so-called Orthodox Rabbis who see these concepts as non-literal, but how would that view be compatible with the Mishna "Ein Lo Chelek."
You are within your rights not to accept the Rebbe's Messiahship -- but what is your alternate view?
16 | Morris Gerb, Monday Jun 18, 2007
What do you mean "he confronted the destruction of one third of our people"?!!!
I fact, neither Rebbe nor his father-in-law did not confront anything. They just got randsomed from nazis at the expense of a dozens of ordinary Jewish families, perhaps. While in Europe, they didn't provide leadership, didn't help escape, nor resist nazis in any way. Just like they run away from bolsheviks 20 years prior, abandoning hassidim. When time was for decisive actions for Soviet Jews in late 60's, again, Rebbe & hassidim were in the bushes, uttering nonsense. Some "mashiyah"! LOL!!!
17 | Elie, Monday Jun 18, 2007
"maximium of a couple of thousand people" [sic]
Shlomo, before you make any comments that expose your stupidity (let alone lack of English skills), do us all a favor and try to do a little bit of research. I want you to consider the followng: huge Chabad communities in New York, Los Angeles, Chicago, Jerusalem, Kfar Chabad, Nachalat Har Chabad, Kiryat Chabad, Paris, London, Manchester, Moscow, Denpropetrosk and more. (These only SOME of the massive communities.)
Then consider the fact that there are over 2600 Chabad institutions across the globe. I direct one myself, and of my 5 married siblings, 3 of us are Shluchim, and one expects to go out on Shlichus in the near future.
Next, consider the fact that the directors of these institutions average 6 children, who oftentimes go out on shlichus themselves.
If you would have considered any of these simple equations, you would not make such a stupid comment as
"maximium of a couple of thousand people", which negates the rest of your idiocy as well.
As for Rabbi Weinreb, same old, same old. This is a tired, played out subject. Give it up.
18 | Jerusalem Shmuel, Monday Jun 18, 2007
I came back to Judaism due to the presence of the Rebbe's emissaries in far flung places.
Two incorrect facts in the comments: All followers believe he will come back from the dead and lead the Jewish people. Untrue. There are varying flavors of people and a small minority who are cuckoo and say and do idiotic things.
Overall numbers. Worldwide, there are probably 100,000 hard core followers, making it a large and varied movement. More important than the hard core are the 1,000,000 Jews worldwide who have been touched by the work of the Rebbe.
Come back and talk to me when you've reached and influenced 10 people.
Shmuel
19 | Eli, Monday Jun 18, 2007
First off all Rabbi Weinreb: Thank you! You show that you really love Chabad, when you and acknowledge their tremendous contribution to world Jewry; yet out of the same love you point out their failures.
Second off all: IT is important for outside Rabbis and prominent people not to swallow the meshichist bible that th e Rebbe is the one who is the proponent of their lies. If one studies carefully the Rebbe's words one sees that the Rebbe negated their interpratations. Precisely in the talks and writings of 57512 the Rebbe negates the concept that one decides with a certainty that Mashiachis someone who is no longer with us physically. One who reads it carefully sees that this one of the messages of the Rebbe.
Third off all: Chabad leaders should appreciate the criticism of many others who perceive that chabad wants to undermine any orthodox body that exists already or that is about to open. It is important to listen to the people and not to propaganda!
20 | Zecharya, Tuesday Jun 19, 2007
Thank you for the heads up that it is already the 13th yartziet of the Lubavitcher Rebbe. I cant believe so much time has already past since his passing. He is surely sorely missed by all who learned from his briliant Torah thoughts and all who shook his kind hand.
21 | Shalom, Tuesday Jun 19, 2007
His legacy; a multibillion dollar international empire. His outreach program: fundraising. His teaching: the Sun orbits around planet Earth. Charity: none, his soupkitchens are sponsored by secular jews. His love of Israel: never bothered to visit Israel, in his speeches he refered Israel as the Holy Land - "the israeli national anthem is a disgusting song, don't sing it! So much about legacy! Who is helping jewish refugees? Who is saving and rebuilding jewish cemeteries. monuments and shuls? The so called secular jew! A glance into the Lubavitcher calendar would provide anybody, who possess an average IQ,insight about the Lubavitch sect.
22 | Hersh Gorman, Tuesday Jun 19, 2007
What a fascinating array of opinions. Rabbi Weinreb's article discussed the Rebbe, before and after a fifty year span. Whether there are negative reaction and results, stems NOT from the Rebbe, due his efforts to improve the world, but is a result of 50 per cent refusal to be motivated towards
helping to improve, and 50 per cent of lack of finesse in promulgating his ideas. What we need to remember is that the Rebbe continued in his efforts
knowing full well the adversity it would receive, but knowing at the same time that his critics would one day,
and that day is TODAY, follow the same course in recognising, and not isolating ANY Jew.
In short we may forgive the Rebbe for being thirty years ahead of his time,
and perhaps the Rebbe will forgive us for lagging behind for thirty years.
Continue to argue, it's healthy!
23 | IKW, Tuesday Jun 19, 2007
Rabbi Werinreb presents a balanced piece. However, one point that he skips does bear emphasis. Chabad under the rebbe focused on the emotional and visceral connection that a Jew has with G-d. Others emphasized the intellectual and the ability to shoe-horn orthodoxy into Modernity or Science or what have you. Because Chabad under the Rebbe embraced a different approach, many many more Jewish people today have G-d in the their lives.
The downside of Chabad may be some misplaced fervor, but other movements have left much more cynicism and apathy behind.
24 | Josh, Wednesday Jun 20, 2007
To 21:
"Charity: none"?? Every single Sunday, for years, the Rebbe would distribute thousands of dollars to charity. He would stamnd on his feet for eight hours consecutively, without any snack breaks or water refreshers and single handidly see every person face-to-face giving them, dollars, blessings, and advice. If that's not called cahrity, what is? online crtitisim of a rightous man, whom you probably have never met, just chose to slander. Shame on you.
While the Rebbe and his embasodors continue to change the world for the good, you do the opoosite of Shalom.
25 | Yedidiyah (congregational rabbi), Wednesday Jun 27, 2007
re:#14 Shmuel
Your comments are undoubtedly untrue-I work with Chabad rabbis hand in hand all the time.
I challenge you do identify this supposed community you live in.
26 | Mendel, Sunday Aug 05, 2007
Don't judge without knowing ! Please visit www.Chabad.org. Learn the Rebbe's teachings on www.otzar770.com.
27 | JKF, Monday Dec 03, 2007
Rabbi Menachem Mendel Schneerson.
Words do not exist in this world that can express my sense of admiration for this human being. Unfortunately, for me, I only had the opportunity to listen to him twice; and it was not even live, I watched him on TV. His ways of expression, his language, his views, all about him provided a sense and even an aura that one was not in the presence of an ordinary learned human being. To me he is a becon for humanity. And that is my comment on a Jewish intellectual giant and also a charismatic leader. Someone we should all be absolutely proud of.
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