Sunday Jul 19, 2009

The Warped Mirror: The 'Israeli Apartheid' gospel

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Advertised as "The new book by Ben White" on a website dedicated to marketing "Israeli Apartheid: A Beginner's Guide," everything seems skillfully designed to appeal both to dedicated Israel-bashers and newcomers eager to learn the basics. Those who have never heard of Ben White, a young Cambridge graduate with a BA in English Literature, will certainly be impressed by the long list of prominent people he could get to endorse his first book that has nothing whatsoever to do with anything he studied: Ben White's efforts to spread the idea that Israel should be denounced and opposed as an "apartheid state" are warmly praised by Nobel Peace Prize Laureate Archbishop Desmond Tutu, the historian Ilan Pappe, and a number of well-known academics and writers as well as political and religious personalities.

Reviews that are critical of Ben White's book are, understandably, not featured on this website. One of the most recent reviews that includes links to some noteworthy previous responses to Ben White is available at Z Word. Among the issues that have been repeatedly raised by critics of White's work are questions about his expertise and his apparent unwillingness to acknowledge that the sources he relies on are anything but uncontroversial and have been shown to contain numerous distortions and misrepresentations.

Given Ben White's published record of articles and blog posts that mostly focus on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, there is actually little reason to be surprised that he is a passionate ideologue who has little regard for facts that don’t fit his agenda - and his agenda arguably doesn't reflect primarily a concern for the Palestinian plight, but rather a fierce determination to demonize Israel. Not unlike Hamas, Ben White has only disdain for the peace process and efforts to achieve a negotiated solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict; instead, he passionately advocates "steadfastness" and "resistance," albeit non-violent resistance, until "the end goal, decolonization and liberation from occupation and Zionist apartheid" is achieved.

It is all too obvious that the term "apartheid" makes sense only if Israel, Gaza and the West Bank are assumed to be one legal unit, i.e. one state. Indeed, Ben White is an ardent advocate of the so-called "one-state solution" and he enthusiastically relies on writers who claim that this is an "ethical imperative." As Ben White himself puts it: "To say that the 'one-state solution' is impractical or equals the 'destruction' of Israel is poorly concealed code for defending the indefensible and a recipe for continual conflict in a land it is impossible to partition."

That's plain enough: for Ben White, insisting on Israel's right to exist as a Jewish state is "defending the indefensible."

It is interesting to note in this context that among Ben White's first published articles there is a piece from 2002 that tackles the question if it is acceptable to "understand" why some people are antisemitic.

White's stance involves some sophistry, because he pretends that there is no ambiguity to "understanding," even though the term can obviously refer to a purely intellectual process that results in a rational explanation, or to an emotional process that results in sympathy.

In any case, White proceeds to list "a number of reasons" for antisemitism - which of course means that racism against other groups, like blacks or Muslims, could also be understood as having "reasons"... So would White accept the notion that the attacks of 9/11 provide a "reason" for anti-Muslim sentiments?

Would White accept the ultimately racist notion that the actions of some members of a group somehow provide “reasons” for prejudice and discrimination against the group as a whole?

What is sure is that when it comes to antisemitism, White thinks that "reason" number one is, unsurprisingly, "the state of Israel, its ideology of racial supremacy and its subsequent crimes committed against the Palestinians. It is because Zionists have always sought to equate their colonial project with Judaism that some misguidedly respond to what they see on their televisions with attacks on Jews or Jewish property."

These few lines illustrate why White has been repeatedly suspected of antisemitism, and they also illustrate why he apparently doesn't quite understand the reason for such accusations. To begin with, White seems to believe that if he says Israel has an "ideology of racial supremacy," he is stating an obvious fact, and this of course implies that he believes that Jews define themselves as a "race"... Indeed, White also relies on this notion in order to justify his claim that Israel is guilty of practicing "apartheid."

If the Cambridge literature graduate had bothered to consult even the most basic information on the question if Jews consider themselves a "race," he would have found out after just reading a few lines on a site like "Judaism 101" that this is a very thorny issue

Likewise, it wouldn't take more than a few minutes of research to realize that the claim that "Zionists have always sought to equate their colonial project with Judaism" is rather shaky - has Ben White ever bothered to have a look at the writings of Theodor Herzl?

It is also rather revealing that White argues that there isn't anything antisemitic about comparing Israel with the Nazis. White feels that such comparisons are merely "unwise and unsound, since the Israelis have not (at the time of going to press) exterminated in a systematic fashion an enormous percentage of the Palestinians. Cold-blooded killings, beatings, house demolitions, vandalism, occupation, military assaults, and two historical pushes at ethnic cleansing--yes. Full fledged genocide--no."

In other words: it's just a teeny weeny bit too early to compare the Israeli government with the Nazis - or at least it was a teeny weeny bit too early in mid-June 2002, "at the time of going to press," but at any moment, this comparison can become appropriate.

I'm not quite sure if it is amusing or sad that currently, Ben White has a piece posted on a blog that claims to be "the UK's most popular left-of-centre politics blog," where he holds forth about "Smearing opponents as anti-semitic." If you want to know what "anti-Zionist" martyrdom is, Ben White can tell you all about it (please have your Kleenex ready):

A favourite tactic of die-hard defenders of Israel is to smear critics of the country's policies through guilt by association, lies, and decontextualised quotations. I have come to know this latter strategy quite well. Based on short extracts, or even a single sentence, from two out of the 100 plus articles I've published, I have been accused of 'understanding anti-semitism' and 'defending' Iranian President Ahmadinejad's Holocaust denial."

Perhaps Ben White really doesn't understand why people accuse him of antisemitic sentiments, and perhaps he really doesn't understand that it is quite hard to explain how an intelligent young man with an excellent university education would peddle the most simple-minded views about Israel and Zionism and still claim that all he is doing is criticizing Israel's policies. And perhaps he really hasn't noticed that he complains so often about "decontextualisation" when he is criticized or when the Palestinians appear in an unfavorable light, but somehow, when he writes about Israel and Zionism, "decontextualisation" is the name of his game...

Ben White claims that all he wants is "equality for Palestinians," but the kind of "equality" he has in mind means that the Palestinians always had and still have the right to prevent the Jews from claiming a part of their ancient homeland to establish a state of their own. Two states for two people is not the kind of equality Ben White is fighting for - to be sure, White doesn't seem to have a problem with Palestinian nationalism,  but it is plain enough that when it comes to Zionism, he is transfixed by the idea that Zionism must be denounced as apartheid and racism. This is his credo, and everything he encounters and writes about is made to fit his belief system.

It is therefore hardly surprising that Ben White can always be counted on when it comes to downplaying Islamist and Jihadist hatred against Jews.

One of the most fascinating examples of White's modus operandi - and the astonishing confidence with which he substitutes ideology for knowledge when writing about a subject - is an ambitious review of a book on "Global Jihad" authored by Patrick Sookhdeo, who, it should be noted, has a Ph.D in Islamic Studies. It arguably takes quite a bit of chutzpah for somebody with a BA in English Literature to conclude that the book should be criticized due to its "simplification or misrepresentation of Islamic theology." 

In a response to White's review, David Zeidan, who has a Ph.D. in Comparative Religion, reveals masterfully and in great detail how rigidly White refuses to acknowledge any facts or information that don't fit his world view.  

While Ben White's writing may at first seem intellectually sophisticated, his world view and his ideology are ultimately shaped by a simple formula: the actions and views of Palestinians, Muslims, and everybody who opposes Israel must always be carefully analyzed, understood and explained in the relevant context; by contrast, everything that has to do with Israel and Zionism can always be "essentialized" and presented in terms of a limited number of immutable factors like Israel's "ideology of racial supremacy," the Zionists' "colonial project" and the resulting "crimes committed against the Palestinians."

The views espoused by Ben White thus confirm the interesting analysis by Professor Shimoni who emphasized that "apartheid has become one of the world's most potent defamatory code-words. Hence those who a-priori seek fatally to stigmatize Israel grasp it with alacrity as a weapon in the struggle to end its existence as a Jewish state. In a sense, the Israel=apartheid fallacy can serve as a litmus test for distinguishing between those who are hostile to Israel's very existence and those who are conscientious critics of the policies and actions of  Israel’s governments and public."

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1  |   Jonathan Hoffman, Sunday Jul 19, 2009
Excellent Petra
2  |   Morton Friedman Lanham, MD, Sunday Jul 19, 2009
Small consolation. At least he absolves the jews from the crime of genocide. I wonder if he exonerates Christianity and Islam. I am certain that he does not apply the term Apartheid to Saudi Arabia, or many other Islamic countries. For they have not been etnically cleansed, they have been sterilized, and Apartheid cannot exist in a sterile desert. Hmmmm, Is that the solution for Israel to enact?
3  |   modernityblog, Sunday Jul 19, 2009
What an elegant and logical post :)
4  |   modernityblog, Sunday Jul 19, 2009
The link to Judaism 101 does not work. I think it is meant to point to this, [ Link to page ] At the end of: "f the Cambridge literature graduate had bothered to consult even the most basic information on the question if Jews consider themselves a "race," he would have found out after just reading a few lines on a site like "Judaism 101" that this is a very thorny issue. "
5  |   Eli, Sunday Jul 19, 2009
Thanks, Petra, for bringing this book to our attention. This is just another link in the obsessive Israel and Jew hating lies that engulf the world. It is not the, literally, millions of muslims killed by their brothers in endless series of slaughters, nor the blatent discriminaiton against other relegions in Arab countries that bother Ben White and the likes. The only explanation to this is the same old anti-semitism that brought 6 million of our people to the gas chambers in WW2 with the enthusiastic help of too many in Europe. It seems that this is jut a new incarnation of this enthusiasm.
6  |   Elise, Sunday Jul 19, 2009
The question is now what? We know of the existance of this book. That the usual Israel haters and self-hating Jews have come out of the wood work to promote this book. So what do we do?
7  |   TrailBlazer, Norway, Sunday Jul 19, 2009
this guy is no exception - he has reached a deadlock - his own personal catch 22 - situation; he rather confirms the rule..
8  |   stavro m s, Monday Jul 20, 2009
"it's just a teeny weeny bit too early to compare the Israeli government with the Nazis"...well, if you take into account there pre-emptive military strikes, the fealty oath for arab-israli's, the lebensraum, er, i mean settlements in the west bank and east jerusalem and then we can go back to biblical times and the war of annilation led by Joshua. not only can i see many similarities it would be disingenuous for anyone to dismiss the comparisons. and this whole lot of garbage about code words is more about reading what you want it to be rather than what it is.
9  |   JMK, Monday Jul 20, 2009
Just a remark, I find it funny ironic really that the present day Israel haters compare Israel to Nazi Germany, why not any one of the hundreds of other horrors that have killed millions upon millions all over the world in recorded history. Why Nazi Germany which specifically targeted and killed six million Jews and wiped Jewish lives and Jewish civilization off the map? Is it to continue to prevent Jews to right to live, to establish themselves, to not be at the immediate mercy of anyone who wants to do them wrong. Jews without Israel would be a field day for homicidal lunatics.
10  |   Cape Town rabbi, Monday Jul 20, 2009
Isn't it interesting how the zionism =s apartheid canard has really not taken off in South Africa and the ANC leadership continues to redirect and attentuate this dogmatically ideological sentiment. If the Jewish world had paid atention to the way SA Jewry dealt with this same onlsaught in the aftermath of Durban I, they could have continued to creatively betray the intention of the Ben Whites of this world. Unfortunately, Western Jewry thought the canard was simply ridiculous (which it is)and wouldn't become the threat that it now is. One eloquent fanatic can galvanize lies just like Hitler.
11  |   Petra, Bat Yam, Monday Jul 20, 2009
modernity, thanks, yes--this is the right link! I just wanted to demonstrate with a very basic text how little it would have taken for Ben White to realize that there is a problem with his argument...
12  |   Danny, Israel, Monday Jul 20, 2009
Israeli apartheid exists! As an Israeli, I see it every time I pass an Arab village situated next to one of Israel's major highways: You would think you were in a totally different country when looking at the ramshackle, decrepit buildings with raw sewage streaming between them. The highway villages have no exit or entry other than a practically Arab-only side-road that is invisible from the highway. Needless to say, no Jews live under such conditions. It is only Arabs who do. That's apartheid in its classical sense.
13  |   Chris, Hoboken, NJ, Monday Jul 20, 2009
#12, Danny Danny, come to New Jersey - I will show to you some black and hispanic neighborhoods.
14  |   peterthehungarian, Monday Jul 20, 2009
Danny, if you are Israeli then I am the dalai lama. I'm living among Arab communities in the Galilee and I wish for my children the same size and quality homes what they have. True, in some places their streets are less clean and less maintained than in the Jewish or mixed communities but the reason of this is the inner workings of the community and nothing to do with racism. If you can see anywhere in Israel in any legally populated village streaming sewage between the buildings than please use some other stuff, this one is not good for you.
15  |   JMK, Monday Jul 20, 2009
Apartheid Gospel is the correct term because like the Gospels anything written by Ben White is totally 100% FICTION. That means there is no reality from Ben White just anti-semitic propaganda and like the Christian Bible with its 450 anti-semitic comments in only 250 pages I find no difference with the two in hatefulness. Both are man made make believe, a salvation god named salvation, those who are healed and brought back from the dead called raised up, lucky and god helps. When a civilizations basic literay text is such nonsense what can one really expect from its readers.
16  |   Lynne T, Monday Jul 20, 2009
Danny: Apartheid in its "classical sense" is a legally enforced regime of rights and exclusions based on "race", the equivalent of which does not exist in Israeli society. If you visited aboriginal reserves in "non-apartheid" Canada, you'd seem equally squalid housing and bad sanitation in a country that has far more economic resources and isn't dealing with aboriginal "militants" who use acts of terror to achieve redress for the poverty that afflicts Canadian aboriginals disproportionately.
17  |   Seismic,, Monday Jul 20, 2009
Excellent post Petra, one other point to add. The author Ben White recommends Holocaust denier Roger Garaudy to beginners in his book: [ Link to page ]
18  |   Dr. Dan USA, Monday Jul 20, 2009
There are so many professional bloggers working to portray Israel the way Ben White does that someone needs to organize and fund a blog-watch to respond as well as Petra does here.
19  |   TrailBlazer, Norway, Monday Jul 20, 2009
thank you, Petra; the desire to simplify complicated matters is all human and this poor young fellow tends to fall victim to exactly the thing. However, he is in the company of larger parts of humankind. Not least the notion of "grand apartheid" is a highly neglected field - while this sought to keep apart what naturally could belong together (as seen in Namibia/South Africa). Petty apartheid, on the other hand, is just a simple matter of cosmetics which could easily be washed away, while the"grand" design is part of human nature, from creation in search of references - guard stones - ideas..
20  |   Michael Dar, Monday Jul 20, 2009
Re to #12 Dany.You obviously don't know what Apartheid is. Make up a full list of all that characterises the former S-African Apartheid and try to compare it to Israel. You will not find many similarities! I suggest you have a drive on the road between Hadera and Afula and look at the Arab towns and villages . They have it much better than in many Arab countries. I have seen a few of them! As an Israeli I suggest you respect your country a little bit more and stop paying lipservice to our enemies' propaganda machine. Self denial and self hatred is, no question a mental illness!
21  |   James Menelsohn, Monday Jul 20, 2009
brilliant article petra, thanks
22  |   Zen, Tuesday Jul 21, 2009
Two million of the brightest British have left the country in the last decade. Immigrants from Asia have replaced them. The country is facing a civilian cultural invasion. The most popular boys name in Britain is now Mohammed. They are attempting appeasement on a grand scale. The British are Judeophobic not because of deep hatred of Jews but in a vain attempt to satisfy the blood lust of the growing British Muslim population. Muslim territorial desires do not stop with Israel. The British are doing to Israel now what they did to the Czechs in the 1930s. Britains act out of simple fear.
23  |   Jen USA, Tuesday Jul 21, 2009
Just a thought... Everyone here seems caught up in the semantics. Is it the word "apartheid" and it's association with racism or is it the idea of critisism of Israel that really upsets so many? While I won't be buying Mr. White's book or his rhetoric, Israelis need to at least own the damage they have done to the Palestinian population. Colonialism, subjugation, segregation, oppression may be better words. I don't know. Palestinians would have the words. They live it. It is too bad that not everyone is as honest as our friend Danny #12, about the reality of beautiful, modern, Israel.
24  |   Gábor Fränkl, Tuesday Jul 21, 2009
Danny dear: that has absolutely zero to do with apartheid for a multiple of reasons. It's simply an abuse of the term. but the most important perhaps is that the "Arabs" - Bedouin Arab would be more precise to say - live there because they themselves rejected Israel's very own OFFER to live in settled communities. How can you be that grossly ignorant to know/see this if you live in Israel?
25  |   Mart London, Tuesday Jul 21, 2009
Whilst its clearly too early to liken the Israelis to the Nazis (their ethnic cleansing of land is still ongoing after decades of illegal occupation) it is right to compare them with apartheid South Africa.. The situation of the occupied territories is identical to that of the black "homelands" that were used as a ruse to argue that South Africa was democratic - essentially the blacks were foreigners with citizenship in the homelands according to the SA govt. The homelands were sham states, no right to foreign policy or other attributes of independence. Its time Israel was treated like SA.
26  |   Jaime XMarrano Barcelona, Tuesday Jul 21, 2009
Great, an article about that schmuck Ben White,where we can tear strips off him,compared to the Guardian where is the resident jester,and is protected.There is this certain type of Brit who think that they are the reincarnation of Lawrence of Arabia,who think that they are the defenders of Islam.The Arabs use them and abuse them,and at the same time despise them.The Guardian is full of these Brit like Ben White.Petra you have made my day.
27  |   Danny, Israel, Tuesday Jul 21, 2009
Chris from Hoboken - I've been to New Jersey, and I've never seen tin-roof huts and raw sewage in the streets - including in black and hispanic communities. Many Israelis perpetuate the myth that Israeli Arabs have it so much better in Israel than in Arab countries, despite the fact that they are clearly second- or in some cases even third-class citizens in Israel. That's pure racism. Why not compare Arabs living conditions with that of Jews? Of course, there's no comparison, and there never will be. Israel is either Jews-only or Arab-only. Apartheid.
28  |   Fed Up, Barcelona, Tuesday Jul 21, 2009
"...he pretends that there is no ambiguity to "understanding," even though the term can obviously refer to a purely intellectual process that results in a rational explanation, or to an emotional process that results in sympathy." That's a really great observation. It's important to keep this sort of thing in mind when the self-righteously postmodern urge that "understanding" terrorists is the only way to face terror. At some point, understanding terrorism effectively becomes indistinguishable from supporting it or sympathizing with its perpetrators.
29  |   Lynne T, Tuesday Jul 21, 2009
JenUSA and Danny: You think that Israel's Arab citizens live in poverty because of systemic racism. In truth, however, a UN study of only a few years ago found that the standard of living for Arabs in Israel and the occupied territories was significantly better by far than that of their brethren in the surrounding 22 "Arab" countries and Iran, whether the country was a petroleum producer/exporter or not. Not long after, Arab experts produced a report for the UN that found a leading reason for poverty was the lack of education and empowerment of Arab females.
30  |   peterthehungarian, Tuesday Jul 21, 2009
Danny please name only ONE legal Israeli village, town, city etc. where you can see tin roof huts and raw sewage in the streets. Maybe you are confusing Abu Sinan with Rio de Janeiro and Meili'ya with Sao Paulo? If the Israeli Arabs are third class citizens then who is the second class? You are just spitting hate without even attempting to prove or substantiate your accusations.
31  |   Jaime XMarrano Barcelona, Tuesday Jul 21, 2009
Danny the problem with people who have shit for brains,is that they see raw sewage everywhere.You are as Israeli as the pope is a Chinaman.I have been to places where there was raw sewage flowing through the streets,but I have never witnessed it in Israel.I have passed through Arab villages numerous times,back and forth,and have never ever seen raw sewage flowing through the streets.Like someone else here mentioned,I would love to live in one of those Arab mansions that you see on the way..Apartheid my ass.
32  |   Gábor Fränkl, Tuesday Jul 21, 2009
Danny, the only problem wih your attitude that your "observations" are shallow, based on deep ideological emotionalism, and the "facts" you try to peddle here are factually flawed! You should not be discouraged to be disturbed by the facts that you don't like because of your far-left "methodology". It's not worth arguing with you. Meanwhile, BRAVO to Petra!
33  |   Danny, Tel Aviv Israel, Tuesday Jul 21, 2009
I just hate Israel because it is always in the news and embarasses me. I wish it would just go away
34  |   Dr. Dan USA, Tuesday Jul 21, 2009
Ah yes, Danny, we now realize that anyone can post using any name, claiming to be from anywhere. In the battle of images and emotion it is repetition of what catches the mind that succeeds as propaganda. Who were the true colonizers of history? Are we too polite to mention Rome, Spain, Great Britain, the Scandinavian Vikings, the Ottoman Empire and what they did to native peoples? Are we too polite to point out the racial superiority felt by the Japanese, American slave-owners, and the Christian wing of the Republican Party? Are we too polite to point out ethnic rivalry everywhere?
35  |   Michael Dar -Tel Aviv, Tuesday Jul 21, 2009
Re to Danny..You finally spit it out (not that we didn't notice!) You hate Israel! And when you hate you are unable to be wise, clever, objective and honest. Israel is in the news because some people have an interest in placing her there, vilifying her, abusing her... and that you furthermore are embarassed by it..says a lot about your decaying mental state and personality or rather lack of it! You can forget about your infantile wish..Forget about it, Israel will not go away, as you put it! In the mean time perhaps you should go away..and for good!
36  |   Mike Stern, Paris, Tuesday Jul 21, 2009
Danny - It's funny because Israel wishes that you would just get out and keep away from the Jerusalem Post online. Good riddance !
37  |   zkharya, Wednesday Jul 22, 2009
Here is the introductory chapter to Ben White’s book: [ Link to page ]
38  |   Jen USA, Wednesday Jul 22, 2009
Lynne T #29 Are you trying to say that living in filth and squalor is just how Arabs live? I hope that sort of prejudice isn't what you are asserting. I am lucky enough to call a few Arabs friends. A few are even Palestinian American. Their daughters are well-educated, opionionated and strong. Their relatives in Jordan and Syria are the same way. They are traditional in the best ways and modern in the best ways. Arab families in the US (and the rest of the modern world) don't live in third-world poverty. Why do they live that way in Israel? It isn't by choice.
39  |   Lynne T, Wednesday Jul 22, 2009
Jen: I'm citing UN studies; you're citing irrelevant annecdotes. There's grinding poverty and misery in Syria, Egypt and other Arab countries plus a great deal of political repression. Up until Hamas's election, when measured objectively and analyzed by Arab fact finders, Israeli Arabs and Palestinians enjoyed a far better standard of living, and found the main cause of it to be the lack of education and empowerment of Arab women throughout the area. It also has a lot to do with the conversion of foreign aid and charity that doesn't get stolen towards terror, rather than development.
40  |   Avrohom - Israel, Wednesday Jul 22, 2009
Jen, the only statement you have written here that is clear and precise are your words, "I don't know". You do not know anything about Israel or the Arabs here or the Arabs continual aggression against us or our rights to our eternal homeland. Click your heals together, close your eyes and repeat, "I do not know, I do not know, I do not know". After a while, open your eyes and you may no longer be in OZ.
41  |   zkharya, Wednesday Jul 22, 2009
Hi Petra, this is Zak Esterson (Zkharya) from HP and Engage.I'd be very interested in your response as an Israeli postgraduate better acquainted with these matters than I, to this, if have any: [ Link to page ] I'm currently working on one to the chapter, but it looks like I'm going to have waste my time and money on the wretched book. Regards, Zak
42  |   Petra, Bat Yam, Thursday Jul 23, 2009
WRT Danny and Jen 38 -- I remember some 2 years ago, there was an article on Cif on Israeli "Apartheid" written by an Israeli Arab who was studying in Harvard or Princeton (obviously, he qualified for that thanks to the underprivileged education he had gotten in Israel...) Anyway, the day the article appeared, a British study on minorities in Britain came out, and guess what??? Needless to say, the article on "Israeli Apartheid" attracted more comments than the article on the lamentable disadvantages suffered by minorities in Britain...
43  |   Eli, Kiryat Ono, Israel, Thursday Jul 23, 2009
Jen (38), the is NO apartheid in Israel. Israeli Arabs have full citizen rights. In fact, they are the only Arabs in the middle east that live in a true democracy. They are complaining all the time but they wouldn't give up their Israeli citizenship for a Palestinian and that tells you the truth. As for the rest of the Palestinians, it is the fault of their rich brothers that they are still in refugee camps and also their on going drive to destroy Israel through the "right of return". Arabs should start looking at the mirror and stop blaming others for their own doings.
44  |   Fed Up, Barcelona, Thursday Jul 23, 2009
Jen USA: You haven't even responded to Lynne T's comment. As far as I can tell, your argument is basically this: "I have Arab friends, they are good people; therefore Israel is an Apartheid state." That's not the sturdiest of syllogisms. You might want to try mixing in actual facts along with your obvious prejudices and conspiratorial insinuations. You also may want to travel around the world-- and/or the Arab world in particular-- before judging how badly Israeli Arabs are supposedly made to live.
45  |   Eli, Kiryat Ono, Israel, Thursday Jul 23, 2009
Zkharya (37)I followed the link to Ben White's book and now I am infuriated. Distorted facts and blatent lies. He is mentioning the "expulsion" of the Arabs, ignoring the fact that the refugee problem was created as a result of ARAB invasion of Israel in 1948. Had they accepted the partition plan of 1947 and had they not invaded Israel in 1948 there wouldn't have been a refugee problem. He is mentioning the wall that Israel erected, ignoring the horrific suicide bombers that preceded it. These are just two example in this charade of lies published by this author.
46  |   Jean - Georgia, Thursday Jul 23, 2009
Concerning Jen-USA. You have all nailed her motivations and lack of intelligent thought. To her, it doesn't matter what's right, only that she has some psychological underdog attachment to those who perpetrate and/or applaud heinous acts, and then mask themselves as "the victims'. If only Israel were really an apartheid state; out with terrorists and all their lefty supporters-THE SOONER THE BETTER. And Danny, why don't you go live in the USA with Jen in her fantasyland of the Uninformed and Uneducated.
47  |   Jen USA, Thursday Jul 23, 2009
To Eli, Fed Up and anyone who accuses me of using the word "apartheid", please see my comment #23. Fed Up, your TB#44 makes no sense and you have misrepresented what I wrote in #38. I was pointing out that Lynne T's comments came across as bigoted. I would also point out that Lynne never answered my question, why should I respond to her? To Petra, your blog is always well written and engaging. I love it. It is truly sad that people never want to see the truth in their own backyards. Your comments in #42 and the TBs here demonstrate that! Pretending Israel has no bigotry, won't make it so.
48  |   Lynne T, Tuesday Jul 28, 2009
28 | Jen USA, Wednesday Jul 22, 2009 Lynne T #29 Are you trying to say that living in filth and squalor is just how Arabs live? That sad bit of misdirection isn't a question, Jen. If you were reasonably literate and not simply motivated to blame Israel for all of the Palestinians' problems you'd understand that it's Arab intellectuals and experts attributing the poverty and misery, which is worse outside of Israel and the OTs, to repressive Arab states, theocratic and secular. Moreover, we aren't "upset" by "criticism" of Israel. We're upset by the lies and misrepresentations of fact.
49  |   Jen USA, Wednesday Jul 29, 2009
Lynne T, You went down that path of misdirection first, didn't you? Anyway, my comment was not about the entire Arab world, most of which is not modern or democratic. My point was that you painted Arabs and Arab culture with a very big brush. You excused the disparity in their living conditions, compared to their Israeli compatriots as just how Arabs are. You are wrong. I brought up my friends (anecdotal, but still valid) to try to show you how you had misrepresented all Arabs as uneducated and mysogonistic. Given autonomy and opportunity, Palestinians can be just as successful as (cont.)
50  |   Jen USA, Wednesday Jul 29, 2009
Lynne T (continued) Palestinians can be just as successful as Israelis. It is tragic that thousands of students in the OTs were accepted at foreign universities this year but could not attend due to Israeli restrictions on their travel. These are the Palestinian future leaders. How do you think this makes them think about Israel? In political science this is called underdevelopment. It is common in colonial constructs. It often results in bloody, populist revolution with little hope of democracy. I would hope that Israel could do better for her sake and that of her closest neighbors.
51  |   Roddy Frankel, Sunday Aug 02, 2009
The term "apartheid" is being misused. It should only be used in cases of state sanctioned discrimination against a part of the state's own citizens. In the case of Palestinians, they are non-citizens (by their own choice) living on disputed land, and engaged in hostile and often violent conflict with the state. The IDF's security measures are not apartheid, nor are they human rights violations. If I am searched at an airport security checkpoint, can I claim my human rights were violated? Of course not.
52  |   Roddy Frankel, Sunday Aug 02, 2009
The last sentence contains a problematic issue: "...those who are conscientious critics of the policies and actions of Israel?s governments and public." Everyone should debate the policies of any government. If a law discriminates, it is healthy to criticize it. What is unhealthy is focusing on the "policies and actions" of the Israeli public. This implies that the whole of Israeli society needs to be criticized (and boycotted) for the individual acts of discrimination that are highlighted by some writers. This often leads to collective punishment of all Israeli citizens.
53  |   MITNAGED, UK, Thursday Dec 03, 2009
Excellently crafted as ever, Petra. Your artciles are always a pleasure to read. Ben White, having made up his mind, doesn't want to be confused by facts which would wobble his black and white view of Israel. He doesn't "do" complexity and the Israel-Palestine conflict is complex. He is not alone, though, is he? The press is full of articles in this vein, but he should be intelligent enough not to follow the herd.
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