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Thursday Oct 02, 2008
Center Field: The two state solution as the only unhappy alternative Posted by Gil Troy
Comments: 23
Some readers objected to the end of my last column on the lessons of Oslo. Most of the column argued that Arab and particularly Palestinian rejectionism destroyed Oslo yet most Westerners could not fathom Palestinian political culture's destructive and self-destructive addiction to violence. Nevertheless, I concluded, the only solution remains a two-state solution. Critics deemed this claim contradictory. The two-state solution remains the most logical solution for Israelis and Palestinians because, like the infirmities of old age, it beats the alternative, or in this case, the alternatives. Extremist Palestinians advocate the one-state solution, trusting that masses of Palestinian voters in a secular democratic state would overwhelm Israelis. Across the spectrum, since 1967, many right-wing Israelis have endorsed the status quo, ignoring the psychic, moral, diplomatic, military, political, and economic costs to Israel of controlling millions of hostile non-citizens. A two-state solution can take many forms, including federations with Egypt and Jordan that would mean a three-state or a one and two half-state solution. Somehow, Israel must stop governing millions of Palestinians. A post-Oslo acceptance of the two-state solution requires launching a new Palestinian entity with low expectations and no illusions, informed by the violence the Oslo process unleashed. In fact, a sophisticated, realistic approach to a Palestinian state should build on two additional failures beyond the Oslo debacle: Ehud Barak's hasty withdrawal from southern Lebanon and Ariel Sharon's undemocratic disengagement from Gaza. Ironically, of these three recent failures that promised peace but resulted in some form of prolonged war, only the Oslo peace process increased the Israeli death rate in the area under discussion. Israel suffered casualties steadily during its presence in Lebanon, sometimes as many as 20 to 25 soldiers annually. Since then, even including the Second Lebanon war, many fewer have died. Similarly from the start of Yasir Arafat's renewed war against the Jewish people in 2000, more Israeli soldiers and civilians died in Gaza than the handful who died since the disengagement. So, yes, the withdrawal from Lebanon emboldened Hizbullah and probably encouraged the Palestinians to believe they could accomplish more with terrorism than with diplomacy. And, yes, the disengagement from Gaza destroyed beautiful communities, disheartened thousands of individual patriots, launched Hamas to power, and subjected Sderot along with other communities in the Western Negev to traumatic, reprehensible bombardments. But the comparative death toll suggests that the alternative to leaving - staying - would have been more costly. The challenge, then, is to do what needs to be done more intelligently, more effectively, and less naively. Now, many will argue that the West Bank is different, that Judea and Samaria are more integrally connected to the Jewish people than either Southern Lebanon or Gaza, and that, at this point, the rate of anti-Israeli violence is minimal. Moreover, whereas a Hamas-run Gaza can rain Kassams on a small, peripheral community like Sderot, a Hamas-run West Bank could rain more destructive missiles on Tel Aviv, Jerusalem, and Ben-Gurion Airport. Ultimately, a sober, security-minded approach responds to these valid arguments and others by starting with the assumption that clear borders shrewdly and patiently negotiated offer more security than the current mess. Those who dream of Israel's Biblical boundaries have to acknowledge that millions more Palestinians than Jews streamed to those areas in the twentieth century and that Israel's security barrier has formalized the demographic realities as of 2000. Given the separation, it is better for Palestinians to control their own destiny than to have Israelis trying to control them. And, especially in today's climate, the rules of engagement between hostile neighbors are much clearer than the protocols for one nation dominating another. Had the Gaza disengagement been handled more intelligently, Israel would have had a good example of how to proceed. Ariel Sharon claimed there would be zero-tolerance for violence, that any attacks by air, sea, or land from Gaza would be dealt with severely. After the first post-engagement Kassam flew, Israel needed to respond militarily, close the border, cut off electricity in Gaza, and retake one evacuated settlement. Had Israel responded so aggressively once, maximum twice, the situation probably would not have deteriorated. Unlike during the Oslo years, Israel should not rush into anything. Israel should approach the two-state solution gradually, with benchmarks of progress toward peace Palestinians could follow. If that sounds uneven, condescending, and high-handed, it also acknowledges the tragic fact that following the events of 2000 to 2004, Israel is the victim and the victor. The Palestinians unleashed the violence - and lost. In the equivalent of suing for peace, they have to demonstrate their readiness to make peace - with Israel free to retreat whenever security threats or violations occur. A two-state solution could provide moral, diplomatic, and military clarity. Borders are easier to defend when they are clear, not ambiguous. Actions are easier to justify when the moral onus is on one aggressor not a people who play the victim card as an occupied people. Ronald Reagan, the arch enemy of Communism, negotiated with the Soviets when he saw it was in his country's best interests to do so. His mantra throughout the negotiations, "Trust but verify" reflected the need to progress with no illusions. Oslo buried many IsraelisÂ’ illusions about the short-term prospects of a true peace with the Palestinians, or most of the Arab world. But the Olso-triggered terrorism could not kill the need for progress or the chance, eventually, for some stability. The Oslo peace process assumed good will would develop quickly among the two peoples. A new approach should assume lingering bad faith among Palestinians unless hard evidence suggests otherwise. But bad faith does not preclude enduring stability or serious progress toward a more workable solution. Israel should not withdraw for the sake of the Palestinians, but for the sake of Israel.
1 | Amanda - my heart is in Israel, Thursday Oct 02, 2008
Ok, so let me get this straight... every time that Isreal gives up more land her enemies gain a better understanding of her weaknesses and have strengthened thier attacks and have formed specialized Terror and Militant groups. When Israel stands up and fights against the odds she wins when she does not relent. My vote: be proactive not reactive. Do not relinquish more land, this will only lead to more terror in Israel! Do not relent!
2 | Mike Germany, Sunday Oct 05, 2008
Lets be honest here for once please. Israel will continue its policy of extending its borders as far as possible while playing for time. This policy was started by Ben Gurion and has been followed up by all Israeli administrations with exception of Rabin. The "Settlers" do the dirty work guarded by the IDF and in due time the goverment creates "facts on the ground". If Israel was interrested in any form of peace accord it would stop settlement building NOW. The rest is just PR and propaganda for the int. community.
3 | ab, USA, Sunday Oct 05, 2008
I'd say that, not for the sake of Israel, but for their own sake, Palestinians should start minding their own life and move elsewhere. Why it's always that Israel is the one that has to do anything? What did it get in return for Oslo?
4 | Ray Saperstein, Baltimore, Sunday Oct 05, 2008
Let's follow this thru. At some point, Israel would have to agree to Palestinian demands, without being concerned about terror attacks from a sovereign Palestine. At some point, one of those attacks will prompt Israel to declare war on Palestine, and re-occupy it. Then we are back to where we started. Nothing accomplished. There can only be a lasting peaceful solution when the Palestinians stop the constant stream of hatred and incitement that peremeates their society. I just don't think that will ever happen.
5 | David Samuel, Canada, Sunday Oct 05, 2008
The greatest problem with your analysis, of many, is that it disregards both the strategic benefits of remaining in S. Lebanon and Gaza and the increased future losses. For example, the pullout from S. Lebanon has strengthened Hezbollah. Hezbollah has, given same, essentially taken over the Lebanese government. This has not only ended the possibility of reform there, which carried the chance of a benign neighbour to the North, but has further radicalized Syria and emboldened Iran. Secondly, there will almost certainly be further conflict in both areas with exponentially more deaths.
6 | Chaim, Israel, Sunday Oct 05, 2008
The two state solution would doom Israel to destruction within a decade. Every single Israeli retreat has had disastrous consequences and it is mind boggling that some feel continued Israeli retreat is a good idea. The two state solution is the Final Solution. The rational, happy alternative is for Israel to love, defend and masively settle every square inch of our tiny Homeland. We left Gaza and, as a result, formerly peaceful Sderot and Ashkelon suffer constant rocket attacks. The answer is to stop Israeli retreat once and for all.
7 | Yehuda Sherman, San Diego, CA 92122, Sunday Oct 05, 2008
Is Israel surviving?
8 | Rafi - Truthland, Sunday Oct 05, 2008
A situation that will only lead to more danger and bloodshed and shown by the Gaza example means it is not a viable solution. A two state solution when end worse than Gaza. More violence, more danger to Israelis and 1000s of Jews homeless and without Jobs. The Jewish state was not created to accomodate Palestinians and make Jews and homeless and insecure.
Mr. Gil does not have a solution, does not mean one does exist or if we look for the correct one it may appear in the future. Israel shouldl come with a solution based on its needs not weak appeasement to others.
9 | Robert NYC, Monday Oct 06, 2008
This guy calls himself a "moderate," but when you stop to examine his positions they are no different than Israel's Left and Peace Now. If it walks like a duck...
10 | McQueen, NY, Monday Oct 06, 2008
To "Mike' in Germany. On the contrary, if Palestinians were really interested in stopping settlement building they would sign a peace accord NOW. But they don't really care about the settlements. Why should they? It's not as if they concede that the area the settlements really are "facts on the ground." They still make the same inflexible demands. The Palestinians don't want peace and they don't want a state. They want the end of the state of Israel.
11 | Robert in Beersheba, Israel, Monday Oct 06, 2008
Dear Prof. Troy,
We tell the Arabs "2 states or Israel is finished", so to reach the goal of finishing Israel, they block compromise using terror + intransigence on the refugee issue. Israel can't negotiate successfully until it's prepared to occupy indefinitely. Occupation is the uncomfortable solution.
Re the Lebanon numbers, since the withdrawal in 2000, ~190 Israelis have been killed - exactly like the 20-25/year before 2000! Including damage & Hizbullah's new arsenal, the price has been too big.
Data: www.mfa.gov.il > Terrorism > Lebanon + see Wikipedia on Lebanon War
12 | Ben Ami, Tel Aviv, Israel, Monday Oct 06, 2008
The two-state solution is not the best alternative, -it is the ONLY alternative. There is no other. And whether we like it or not, it WILL be the solution that will finally put an end to the conflict between Israel and its neighbors, irrespective of whether it takes a year, a decade, or a century for both sides to reach this realization. Israel will not continue ruling over millions of Palestinians for ever, and the Palestinians will never overwhelm Israel with millions of returning refugees. It is only a question of how many more casualties there will be, before both sides reach an agreement.
13 | Reuven Ben-Daniel. Israel, Monday Oct 06, 2008
To Mike-Germany. the Sudetenland Germans after the 2nd. World War were given 2 or 3 days to leave. that solved one problem. The Germans of East Prussia were forced to leave, and East Prussia was divided amongst Poland and Russia, that solved the pre war dispute over the Polish corridor.In all the years since the end of the war, there has been no demand for the return of these territories to Germany, either by Germany The EU or the UN. What are you doing about that 'Injustice'? Those dispossessed Germans had far more right to those lands than the Arab squatters in the Land of Israel.
14 | Len, Monday Oct 06, 2008
To sum up Troy et al: "We want the two-state solution even if it kills us."
15 | Robert in Beersheba, Monday Oct 06, 2008
To Ben Ami, look at my post #11 to see why the 2-state approach won't work in reality.
To Len, one word: Exactly.
16 | samg - NY, Monday Oct 06, 2008
Ahh the smell of surrender in early OCT. Last I looked, Israel won all 5 wars (except Leb 06 because inexperienced people (AHEM LIVNI,OLMERT,PERES) ran that war. When you WIN, YOU get to make the rules, except in Israel. The real question is why negotiate? It should be a take it or leave it issue except ....the kind, old, sweet grandad Peres - was partially responsible for the mess - he invited Arafart back from Tunis into Isreal (really? who invites thier enemies into homebase?) Its all fun to say "expell Jews, take away thier holy sites" but why NOT do it the ENEMY ... aka the "PALS" ..??
17 | Danny Lieberman - Israel, Monday Oct 06, 2008
What do the Palestinians want?
We're all taking a typically arrogantly Israeli view (we'll solve everything ourselves) or a European view (fix injustice and peace will ensue) or American view (Democracy in our time, our someone's time...)
The bottom line is this.
Given the choice between destruction of Israel and an independent Palestinian state living in peace, alongside Israel - the majority of Palestinians (polled at over 60 percent) prefer destruction of Israel.
That is why the two state "solution is a canard"
18 | Nach, Israel, Monday Oct 06, 2008
Not a single country in the world has apologists like Israel does especially not its enemies.
Israel's enemies will overrun it if Israel permits hostile state nearest its borders.
Israel's lost tribes were once a united group on remote lands after being exiled. They had a policy of not allowing anyone near its borders. As time elapsed the tribes' own apologists got the upper hand by allowing outsiders in, only to be shortly thereafter overrun en-masse by same outsiders.
Israel is disunited more than ever now with narrow self-interest groups rocking the boat as never before.
19 | miriam usa, Monday Oct 06, 2008
It's clear from their history that any palestinian self-goverment will wallow in corruption.
Billions of aid dollars were wasted. Why should any future palestinian state be any different?
The state would consist of disconnected parts, Gaza and the "West Bank." Any such
state would be unworkable and as such become a hotbed for even more extremism,
and israel would be less defensible. The whole palestinian movement, from the grand mufti on,
is about the destruction of the Jewish state, not about anything that distinguishes the arabs
that call themselves palestinains from other arabs.
20 | Amos, Monday Oct 06, 2008
What does the Torah teach? ...Joel 3:2
Let us listen and do what G-d's Word tell us, "DO NOT DIVEIDE MY LAND! "
opions are opions, but G-d's Word is forver!
21 | joe smith, Tuesday Oct 07, 2008
there is simply no room for anoher state between the river and the sea. It must be a confederation with the Jordanians. Jordan is the logical answer why is this never discussed anymore
22 | Yoni, NY, Tuesday Oct 07, 2008
To Prof Troy,
Does Lebanon's clear border stop katyushas? Does Gaza's stop Kassams? Just think of it Professor. If Israel leaves the West Bank, and then Israel is forced into another conflict, the entire country will be blanketed with rockets.
23 | John , USA, Sunday Nov 02, 2008
Hello
I would like too bring an suggestion to all !! Do you not think it's time to think about getting along over there once and for all . There will never be a stop unless both side are willing to give and take simple and to me nothing is worth all the killings , I promise the ones dead and or hurt badly would agree and now I think it's time to get politics , radicals , greed , out of this . Bush has done you guys good all you have now to worry about is Iran and few other small simple stupid leaders left . STOP THIS NOW i CAN NEG A TREATY GLADLY IT IS TIME .
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