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Tuesday Feb 09, 2010
Center Field: The toxic context of 'the Israel debate' Posted by Gil Troy
Comments: 30
We have become so used to it we take it for granted, but one of the great scandals of modern politics is the way Palestinian negationism and terrorism have been facilitated by the UN and championed by the left, cloaking lethal desires to wipe out Israel in the language of human rights. Moreover, as Professor Shalom Lappin of Kings College, London testified to Britain's All-Party Parliamentary Inquiry Against Anti-Semitism, which issued its report September 2006:
This inaccurate, Manichean misreading of the conflict encourages perverse behavior. Again and again, institutions violate their own core ideals. Again and again, the blinding bias against Israel obscures facts, precedents, common sense itself. Note how the libels get recycled. The UN's bias against Israel legitimizes the Muslim Student Union protest - which escalated into shouting and hooliganism, resulting in eleven arrests. Fortunately, at least one academic with a conscience defended Oren. "This is beyond embarrassing...," Professor Mark P. Petracca proclaimed. "This is no way for our undergraduate students to behave. We have an opportunity to hear from a policy maker relevant to one of the most important issues facing this planet and you are preventing not only yourself from hearing him but hundreds of other people in this room and hundreds of other people in an overflow room. Shame on you! This is not an example of free speech."
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josh werblowsky,
Tuesday Feb 09, 2010
You continue to try to take a 'center' position.But the NIF SUPPORTS 'HUMAN RIGHTS OGANUZATIONS' EXCEPT THAT ISRAEL DOES NOT HAVE HUMAN rights according to them.
Rather than being in the center on this issue you end up wishy-washy.
Israel should not act suicidal when they are being attacked from within by lies and deception.
These people are trying to burn our home down.
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peterthehungarian,
Tuesday Feb 09, 2010
Mr. Troy, NIF and the Irvine Muslim Student Union are not mainstream left. The first belongs to the far left, the second to the far right with absolutely no connection to the fight for human rights - exactly the opposite. Both of them are enemies of the mainstream reasonable left and the possibility of a future peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians..
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Sally - U.S.A.,
Tuesday Feb 09, 2010
Well said. I also appreciated your previous article on the anti-Israel week. Do you think that the conduct against Mr. Oren was part of the anti-Israel week (or two weeks)?
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Sally - U.S.A.,
Tuesday Feb 09, 2010
Well said, Mr. Troy. I do not know if my other post had gone through, so forgive my for repeating my question. Do you think that the conduct towards Mr. Oren was part of anti-Israel week (or two weeks) ? Also, #2 peterthehungarian, I refer you to a book called A Lethal Obession: Anti-Semitism From Antiquity to Global Jihad by Robert S. Wistrich. It deals primarily with the new anti-semitism. (I am not saying that NIF is anti-semitic, but in my opinion, it is at cross-purposes, as Mr. Troy outlines.)
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David USA,
Tuesday Feb 09, 2010
A travesty that this organization adopted as its title Herzl's "Im tirtzu". They are the epitomy of what Herzl did NOT stand for. What a perversion ! He would turn over in his grave !
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Dawn,
Tuesday Feb 09, 2010
We have become so used to it we take it for granted, but one of the great scandals of modern politics is the way Palestinian negationism and terrorism have been facilitated by the UN and championed by the left, cloaking lethal desires to wipe out Israel in the language of human rights.
Here is an excellent clip that shows the head of the Israel UN watch refuting the constant criticism that Israel receives from the UN. Of course the UN banned it. Go Israel!
[ Link to page ]
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Martin Miami,
Tuesday Feb 09, 2010
Sunlight is the best disinfectant.
Turn the light on the NIF, their clients and supporters and watch them run for cover.
The same was true when JPOST listed the board members for the so called HRW.
Didn't they make noises in the night scurrying to hide from the light.
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Elise,
Tuesday Feb 09, 2010
I do not understand your surprise at the behavior of those on the far left nor the Muslinm student association. Their behavior is nothing new. These attacks happened across college campuses and universities to members of the Bush administration and any conservative speaker for close to a decade now if not longer. Noone condemned them, especially the academic world. So now the ignoble Jew haters have turned their well learned behavior lessons on Israel and those who support Israel. The Jewish academics have noone to blame but themselves. Unfortunately its our children who are attacked at school
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Shoshana in Jerusalem,
Wednesday Feb 10, 2010
This is but another radical Muslim attempt to hi-jack public opinion and ultimately gain world wide support through getting media attention.
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shoshana in Jerusalem,
Wednesday Feb 10, 2010
And yes, we have to shout them down with well-reasoned blogs such as this.
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Raed Kami, London, UK,
Wednesday Feb 10, 2010
The creation of israel in 1948 was a war crime. War crimes, unlike legitimate countries, do not have a legitimate right of self defence. Thus, Goldstone merely stated what everyone knows. Israeli "self-defence" is never legitimate-it is just another war crime
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ravi..... punjab...india,
Wednesday Feb 10, 2010
I was once a staunch israel supporter.but the nonchalance with which israel takes innocent lives and then justifies it as self defence makes me sick.Israeli arrogance, greed and the gods chosen people rubbish has cofirmed that israel has lost its way and is the modern day aparthied s africa.
Im not a arab or a muslim, but i see israel with loathing and dread.
Israel in its present form must be dismantaled.
A nation which revers leaders like sharon, netanyahu and liberman is lost .
you want peace but you also want pali land, water and their dignity. just doesnt work that way
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Serge,
Wednesday Feb 10, 2010
It is always interesting to see how a ridiculous premise can lead to an absurd conclusion -- thanks, ya Raed.
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Chris USA,
Wednesday Feb 10, 2010
Well said, though there are just too many issues to do credit to any of them. Having seen the Oren video I was silently pleased to see the jewish professor telling his students who interrupted the ambassador that they were failng his class. I don't think that this goes far enough to repair the insult but at least some credible action was demonstrated. I already posted on the NYT issue - it was an Electronic Intifada attack against Bronner that I posted on Rosner's Domain. I'm really fuming at these munkins right now...
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Joseph London,
Wednesday Feb 10, 2010
I believe the bankruptcy of NIF is blatantly clear in its recent funding of a campaign to encourage Haredi women to object to mehadrin buses. Does NIF think Haredi women are unable to express opinions without NIF funding them -- or that Haredi women did not agree to separate seating in the first place? There is something patronising and biased about the NIF and their many grantees.
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Steve, Brisbane & Herzaliyya,
Wednesday Feb 10, 2010
Raed, the logic of your opinion astounds me! The creation of Israel was from a UN resolution - therefore it is the UN itself that is the criminal, no? No! You are just silly. And Ravi (no 12), I notice that you blast Israel for taking innocent lives and yet say nothing of "Palestinians" blowing up bar -mitzvah parties and coffee houses. What sort of an intellectual are you? Not a very informed one obviously. And, if both of you are sickened by what my country does for the world (just see who was first to help Haiti in its hour of need) then perhaps stop reading this newspaper. Shalom.
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Victor Beer Sheva,
Wednesday Feb 10, 2010
Raed Kami and others ignorant of history -
Israel's creation in 1948 was the legitimate implementation of a UN Resolution from 1947. That resolution was rejected instantaneously and totally by the entire Arab world. The result is history. It's the true source of Palestinian suffering. That rejection of a UN resolution and an Arab invasion of the new State of Israel caused the Palestinian refugee problem. So if there is a war crime here the criminals are the Arab world. They still perpetuate the crime and people like you are colaborators. Or was the criminal the United Nations itself?
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Shoshana Jerusalem,
Wednesday Feb 10, 2010
Perhaps human rights protests have been largly crafted by Jewish students. The means of gaining attention has not always targeted the most guilty. However, the tactics have become tainted with verbal abuse that Muslims have protested about when it was turned on them.
Just today at Oxford:
LONDON - British police were on Wednesday investigating a verbal attack on Deputy Foreign Minister Danny Ayalon, after an Oxford University student shouted “kill the Jews” during a talk he gave at the university on Monday night.
---jpost.com
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John R,
Wednesday Feb 10, 2010
Mr. Troy acts like the UN is some monolithic body which simply votes as a block against Israel. The UN is made up of countries, 162 of which recognize the sovereign state of Israel. There is a resolution entitled "Peaceful resolution to the Palestinian Question". It basically requires Israel to comply w/international law,existing treaties and the UN Charter. It comes up every year for he past 20 years and more than 92% of these same countries vote "yes". Similar resolutions on Palestinian Human Rights and Israeli settlements in East Jerusalem pass w/92%. Maybe Israel is violating accepted law?
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Abecassis, Morocco,
Wednesday Feb 10, 2010
"Judge him by his work, not his biography" so goes the life work of Marcel Proust, when defending Balzac in his work"Against St. Boeuf" The Search of Lost Time, try to prove how Journalism (and Proust, like Balzac were Journalists) is not autubiography.
Putting the referrences aside, Prof. Troy is cogent in his analysis.
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Ben,
Wednesday Feb 10, 2010
Brave invitation to fight anticemitic week finished with a ban.No wander,the author prefer to complan than to fight(why sould one name the anti-Israel "human`s right" organization,make an enemy)
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mfirebrand1 Wisconsin,
Wednesday Feb 10, 2010
Israel wins, read the end of the Book. Pray for the peace of JerUSAlem daily and also for the non terrorists caught in the midst of this tribulation. I have never seen this man before but I am ashamed that a guest to our country was treated in such a fashion in a so called elite university. No wonder Washington is under seige with snow, California is falling in the water and our country is divided more than ever. Israel including those grafted in are the apple of G-ds eye and you don't poke G-od in the eye. Sometimes common sense is better than knowledge. You betcha!
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Maida RIchlin,
Thursday Feb 11, 2010
Our daughter, Anna Richlin, a sophomore at the U of Rochester, attended the Hasbara Leadership Program in Israel over the winter break. Those students were entrusted to bring information about Israel's peace initiatives back to their campuses. Anna took it one step further. Her friend designed the IPW website and her friends from Israel Year Course joined the bandwagon. These young college students have powerful pro-Israel messages - their voices will be heard that week - but the secular media needs to report their positive actions.
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Maya, Sweden,
Thursday Feb 11, 2010
#17 Victor, the Arab's have not only caused the Pal refugee problem but also Israel's statehood! Let's remember that Israel was founded half a year after the Arab League had started its war on the Yishuv triggered by the UN declaration in November 1947, and that Ben-Gurion declared statehood in May 1948 for the sole purpose of procuring arms (only states were allowed to purchase arms) to secure the Yishuv's survival of the Arab onslaught! - And #19, Israel would be delighted to comply with UN resolutions, "within secure and defensible borders", which it has been denied so far. - Shalom.
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Steve, Santa Monica,
Thursday Feb 11, 2010
The insane rants of those like Raed Kami serve us well for they establish unequivocally the uncompromising and eternally hostile Islamic mindset. One must at least applaud his honesty for he makes no reference to peaceful coexistence and places his hatred right on the table. The fact is that the followers of Islam will never relinquish their acrimony towards the Jew and we are headed for a serious bloodletting. Rather than concerning ourselves with the thuggish behavior of Muslim agitators and the idiocy of the left we should be preparing for an epic and decisive battle.
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Gábor Fränkl Budapest, Hungary,
Thursday Feb 11, 2010
Dear Maya - I often read your brilliant posts here on JPost's Blog Central. If the moderator allows this post, then please just tell me, if I'm not impolite to ask, whether you are a Jewish or Israeli student residing in Sweden now or a Swedish woman who just loves Israel for some reason? (I'm always amazed at your great contribution to Israel's cause from Sweden on these pages!) gabor_frankl@yahoo.com
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Mary - Seattle, USA,
Friday Feb 12, 2010
The Elephant in the room that no one is talking about is mainstream Arab Muslim's oppression and religious intolerance of other Arabs, be those Arabs Christian or Jewish sympathizers. What Palestinians have done to Palestinians. It keeps wearing a mask of Jews against Palestinians. The human rights violations are within Islam and the treatment of women and children. It's what mainstream Islam do to their own families, which is denigrate women and encourage children to kill themsleves. If they do this to their own, why would they be civil to Jews, Christians, or anyone?
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Rune Flaekoy Oslo Norway,
Sunday Feb 14, 2010
Psalm 25:22. Redeem Israel, O God, out of all his troubles.
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Mike Seth,
Sunday Feb 14, 2010
It appears you all must be reminded about certain facts on creation of Israel. Israel was NOT created by UN GA Resolution 181. Do not allow jihadists to draw you into this debate. Israel was created by the willpower of the zionists, in a formal proclamation of a sovereign state, and Resolution 181 merely helped other states to recognize this proclamation. The zionists uptook the NON-BINDING resolution voluntarily, and the arab nationalists rejected it and instead launched an illegal war of aggression. For all intents and purposes, 181 means nothing and imposes no obligations on Israel.
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Paulmaximus, Afghanistan,
Monday Feb 15, 2010
The comments by Maya have no substance in historical fact. In the area given by the UN for a Jewish state some 48% of the population were Moslem or Christian. Jewish terrorist gangs started attacking these people to drive the out of the proposed state. The British had disarmed the Palestinians after the 1936-38 War of Independence which was brutably put down. As a result the Jewish terrorist gangs committed war crimes against defenceless people, There was no Arab onslaught, the main miltary action was the take over of East Palestine by Jordan after a prior agreement with Jewish leaders.
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