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Monday Nov 17, 2008
Center Field: Say No to Rabbis for Obama Posted by Gil Troy
Comments: 30
Now that the American election is over and this will not seem to be a partisan attack, it is time to ask whether it was appropriate for hundreds of rabbis to launch an unprecedented organization, "Rabbis for Obama." The organization's founding letter, which over four hundred rabbis signed, said: "We join together as rabbis who believe that Barack Obama is the best candidate to be President of the United States, and we do so in the belief that he will best support the issues important to us in the Jewish community." This initiative constituted a clear attempt to give a rabbinic hechsher - stamp of approval -- to Barack Obama. There is nothing wrong with a rabbi, as an American citizen, choosing to endorse a candidate. But there is something unseemly about rabbis pooling their theological and spiritual authority as rabbis to boost a particular politician. But what if 400 rabbis had come out in favor of California's Proposition 8, advancing the state constitutional amendment banning gay marriage? Theologically, the rabbis would have been on stronger ground, considering that the Bible actually addresses questions of homosexuality (but has nothing to say about Barack Obama's strengths or weaknesses). And what if most of those rabbis had been ministering to overwhelmingly liberal congregations or congregations filled with gay couples? If offended congregants tried firing any of these rabbis against gay marriage would any of the Rabbis for Obama have been willing to defend them? Gil Troy is Professor of History at McGill University and a Visiting Scholar at the Bipartisan Policy Center in Montreal. The author of Why I Am A Zionist: Israel, Jewish Identity, and the Challenges of Today, his latest book is Leading from the Center: Why Moderates Make the Best Presidents.
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LINDA TILLEY DEL RIO TX USA,
Monday Nov 17, 2008
Without religion in ALL of our life, we have chaos! G-d rules in all things. But to be decieved by such a president elect is foolish.
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Morton Friedman Lanham, MD,
Monday Nov 17, 2008
Yes. And we are also seeing all those pieces about Jewish 'Leaders', ostensibly speaking about non-religious affairs that are State affairs. After several of these pronouncements, all of which I have objected to in writing, I took the extreme step of resigning from the Congregation that I belonged to. Federal and State taxes are mandatory, synagogue dues, at least in the USA, are not. There are many Jewish and Israeli causes that are far more deserving of my financial support. Yes, one has to be more careful to whom one gives support.
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Michael Kirmayer=Queens, New York City,
Monday Nov 17, 2008
Baavo;Gil Troy is wise and correct....A true inspiration.
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Avi, Los Angeles,
Monday Nov 17, 2008
These rabbis are as ignorant as their followers. The Jewish position is quite clear: "Be careful in your relations with the government; for they draw no man close to themselves except for their own interests. They appear as friends when it is to their advantage, but they do not stand by a man in his time of stress." (Pirke Avot 2:3)
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Rene Jacobs, Los Angeles,
Monday Nov 17, 2008
We have been members of our temple, a reform temple in Hollywood, CA, for 14 years and have listened to the liberal retoric from the pulpit. Each time we walked away feeling angry. At the Friday night service, after Sara Palin was chosen as the VP running mate of Sen. Mc Cain and following Obama's big speach, our rabbi's wept over the historic evnt of Obama's nomination, but said absolutly nothing of the historic nomination of Ms. Palin. We resigned the next day. Enough is enough! Any one know a good "conservative" temple in Los Angeles?
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Daniel - Obama supporter, San Jose, CA,
Tuesday Nov 18, 2008
In America, unlike other western democracies, the government can't interfere with synagogoue affairs but religious leaders can use the pulpit to influence the government. That doesn't mean doing so is wise. The Israelis elected the Shinui party solely because they promised to limit rabinical authority. The Christian world has seen more extreme blowback. The French revolution gillotined more priests than noblemen. Rabbis are paid to serve their congregations. When they start directly endorsing political candidates, they aren't doing their job.
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Daniel - Obama Supporter, San Jose, CA,
Tuesday Nov 18, 2008
I wonder of the IRS is going to start looking into the tax exempt status of these rabbis' congregations. Evangelical christian pastors have been getting into hot water over this for years.
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Terah,
Tuesday Nov 18, 2008
The laws are noticeably different for the liberals than the conservatives. When will this wrong be righted? It's an uphill battle, but it does not contribute to our cause to have those of the household of faith; priests, rabbis, pastors siding with immoral objectives and those who fashion their movement. However; it surely distinguishes those who truly know the character of God and those who do not.
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Newton, Forest Hills, NW,
Tuesday Nov 18, 2008
Can we suspect that cash-rich Obama succeeded in winning followers there, as well?
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Amnon, Jerusalem, state of Lemmings,
Tuesday Nov 18, 2008
Daniel, if you were an Obama supporter, then honestly, you're no better than those guys. Remember, it is you and the rest of the 78 per cent first when they come with the cattle cars. Only fair.
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Norb,
Tuesday Nov 18, 2008
More to the point is how these rabbis will act when Israel is TOLD to make painful concessions against its own best interests on all fronts and without reciprocity.
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Morton Friedman Lanham, MD,
Tuesday Nov 18, 2008
I see that Rene, in Los Angeles, has done the same as I did. I wonder how many others have, or will, followed suit. Historically, in Judaism, Rabbis are financially supported by the community as teachers, and we respect them as men of learning. They are not the infallible representives of g-d. Unfortunately far too many of them, both in the USA and in Israel, appear to have crossed that line. Church / State separation in the USA protects us, to a degree, from the machinations of the ordained. But it rquires an alert defense, else that separation could be destroyed.
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AF NY USA,
Tuesday Nov 18, 2008
#11 norb and others need to understand that the liberal rabbis have no problem with israel being pushed into making"painful concessions" to them "occupation" is more painful. after jerusalem is divided and a return to 67 borders the arabs and their jewish allies will see that lasting peace is so close. only what's needed is a right of return for some refugees and compensation for others plus an an autonomous zone in the galil and negev where so many palestinians live . one binational state and one palestinian one and peace in our time will be achieved. if we will it it is no dream
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Al,
Tuesday Nov 18, 2008
American Jews have shown themselves to be stuck on STUPID..They will reap that which they have sown...Quite simply I couldnt care less...They've been warned, but they so busy trying to be goyim, that they have forgotten to be Jews. They will melt as have countless other communities in the past. As a matter of fact within 50 years of their demise there wont be a reminder of the fact that they once lived in America for over 350 yrs.
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Michael Greenberg,
Tuesday Nov 18, 2008
Sure Religion should not intrude on politics bUT conversely politics should not intrude on religion-otherwise it makes a mockery of "freedom of religion" ....Thus logically you cannot impose one constitutional right against another and say either right trumps the other...Thus if gays appeal to their "right to marry" due to the equality doctrine,it may clash with a religion's own precepts and its freedom to follow those precepts..The soltion is not to change the religion to suit the civil laws,but rather to alow those who believe differently to form their own religioin or sect to allow it.
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Sue -Los Angeles,
Wednesday Nov 19, 2008
I suppose all of you would condemn the rabbis who marched for civil rights in the late 50s and early 60s. As one of my cousins was one of the signatories to the Rabbis for Obama- let me just say that those of us who voted for him did so out of a deep conviction that he and his campaign exhibited the values of our faith and not childish, consistent attacks and lies exhibited by the "other side." Palin did NOT represent ME as a woman, and her nomination was merely a political ploy which backfired. I salute those rabbis who had the courage to openly speak out for what is right and just.
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USA,
Wednesday Nov 19, 2008
IN CONGRESS, JULY 4, 1776.
DECLARATION OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA.
WHEN, in the Course of human Events, it becomes necessary for one People to dissolve the Political Bands which have connected them with another, and to assume, among the Powers of the Earth, the separate and equal Station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's GOD entitle them, a decent Respect to the Opinions of Mankind requires that they should declare the Causes which impel them to the Separation.
We hold these Truths to be self-evident, that all Men are created equal, that they are endowed, by their CREATOR, with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these Rights, Governments are instituted among Men.
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Renae Los Angeles,
Wednesday Nov 19, 2008
To AF in NY USA, #13. What you don't understand is that the Arabs do not want the Peace they want the whole Piece! Read the Haj by Uris and wake up! I see you quote Chamberlin with "Peace in our time." You must know what that got us.... The Holocoust! Perhaps I misunderstood your comments, I sure hope so! If I did then please forgive my comments, if not I will pray for you.
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Joshua in Pennsylvania, USA,
Wednesday Nov 19, 2008
Sue in Los Angeles is typical of the U.S. Jewish Community of Lemmings and Sheep. Anything Liberal is great and anything conservative is bad. Sue believes that Liberal values express the values of her religion, hence her repeated votes for Liberals. Sue doesn't know much about her religon, which has both conservative and liberal values and which on the whole is pretty center-right. But then again, Sue and her assimilated pals in Los Angeles substitute Liberal politics for religion in all ways and in all things. When Israel gets screwed over by the Obama folks, will Sue admit she was wrong
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Alan Greenfield,
Wednesday Nov 19, 2008
"Rabbis for Obama, " "Rabbis for Jesus," "Rabbis for Peace Now," "Rabbis for Islam" - whatever it is that drives them to "enlist with the cause" and get their names published in a 2-page advert spread, we should not take them seriously - most are from the Reform or Reconstructionist movements, and are definately not scholars on anything to do with Judiasm or Israel - let alone not even proficient in the Hebrew they pretend to read at Shabbat services. These may be "leaders" in the American Jewish community (as sad as it may be) but you don't have to join the foolish flock of sheep!
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Sally in Marin County,
Thursday Nov 20, 2008
To Michael and Rene: We have tried to leave our super liberal conservative 'gogue but we live in Marin County and there is only one conservative temple. We still have one more child to bar mitzvah, but we hate it and often leave services angry and disturbed. Since we can't leave, I have started to organize conservatives at our temple, so we have a stronger voice. We are few, but just beginning to unite. By the way, community organizers have infiltrated our 'gogue. I'm sure they are in others. Anyone out there w/ experience dealing w/ this? The lines are truly blurred.
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Glenn Sonnenberg, Los Angeles,
Thursday Nov 20, 2008
To Rene Jacobs: There are reform synagogues in Los Angeles that have rabbis with views outside the mainstream of the liberal elites. We belong to Stephen S. Wise, which has rabbis with a variety of political views. The clergy does not shove their views down the congregation's throat in sermons. Our clergy is learned, thoughtful, passionate, supportive of Israel and, most importantly, regardless of their personal beliefs, patient and tolerant of the views of others. I commend our temple and community for your consideration. We also are former members of your congregation.
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glrex in Los Angeles, CA,
Thursday Nov 20, 2008
Alan G., sadly, there are some scholars who signed on, Elliot Dorff, for example. He has always been a flaming liberal, but he knows his stuff despite the fact that he often reaches conclusions with which many would disagree. Rene, in L.A., you should check out my Conservative synagogue, Sinai Temple. It is not politically conservative per se, but its rabbi (Wolpe) does not advocate for politicians. He's a staunch & vocal advocate for a strong Israel. (He's not a flaming liberal like the rest of them). There are actually conservatives at Sinai, which is unusual outside the Orthodox movement.
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Renae Jacobs, Los Angeles,
Friday Nov 21, 2008
Glrx and and Glenn: Thank you for the reply! I am so thrilled to hear of the oppertunity to be a member of a synagogue that will not make my blood pressure go up! Can't wait to check them out! After being members for so many years of TIOH I think that I just felt that they were all the same...
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dealntruth USA,
Sunday Nov 23, 2008
Religious fundamentalism is a giant movement that stresses a strict attitude, a literal adherence to a set of basic principles, and a literal interpretation of religious books.
History can be compelling and illuminating if people take the time to learn it. However, knowing history has never deterred man from repeating it. The reality is that fundamentalism is worlds best friend, because it divides people, weakens the community, and renders everyone easily to be manipulated, propagandized, and molded. Looking for the truth and they will never find it because it's staring in the face.
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Hofikoman,
Saturday Nov 29, 2008
Would that Jewry would mature politically in pursuit of it bottom line self interest. The United States is clearly behind the rest of the world in enabling such a dynamic. If American Jewry considered, as it should, Israel's continuing viability as its bottom line, then there would be agreement between our own poliical liberals and conservatives to allow for each other to strongly support Israel within their respective camps. This would mean mutual tolerance within the synagogues. Of course there would be communal lines beyond which no one should go --but American free spirit precludes this.
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David Bratslavsky,
Sunday Nov 30, 2008
Very well argued and balanced approach. Could not have said it better. We all need to take into account the long term implications of our actions. Rabbis, as both religious and communal leaders, by the nature of their job, must hold themselved to a higher standard and be smart about how they interact in the political realm.
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Ellis,
Monday Dec 01, 2008
The Rabbis signed outside of their congregational duties. This is different than advocating from the pulpit. One can acknowledge this was unusual without concluding it was inappropriate. Perhaps their collective motivation was the same as that of Dennis Ross, a lifetime non-partisan who for the first time endorsed a presidential candidate. Perhaps it was the intentional dishonest campaign to destroy Obama within the Jewish community by calling him a secret Muslim and therefore enemy of Israel that resulted in this organized Rabbinic campaign in his favor.
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Roddy Frankel,
Friday Dec 05, 2008
To #23: While it is true that political conservatives are "unusual outside the Orthodox movement," why do you seem to dismiss the possibility of joining an orthodox temple? You don't need a beard and a felt hat to join. In fact, at Chabad, you can come as you are.
To #28: I did not participate in the "dishonest campaign to destroy Obama within the Jewish community by calling him a secret Muslim and therefore enemy of Israel," I merely pointed out that most of his foreign policy advisors were staunchly anti-Israel. Does that make me an evil racist?
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Joey Baron, Boston, MA, USA,
Friday Dec 05, 2008
Sorry, but I strongly disagree. As important as my rabbi is to me (and he is), he has every right to take his own political stand on issue he so chooses. So many American Jews take such great nachas in the role rabbis played in the civil rights movement. I can't help but feel that this a post that is really about worrying whether 'Obama will be good for the Jews,' rather than a well thought-out opinion on whether American rabbis have a right to participate in American politics.
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