Thursday Nov 12, 2009

Center Field: Delegitimizing the delegitimizers

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November 10 marked the 34th anniversary of the UN General Assembly's passage of the infamous "Zionism is racism" resolution. That day, noting that it was the 37th anniversary of Kristallnacht, the Nazis' countrywide pogrom on "the night of broken glass," UN ambassador Chaim Herzog denounced the resolution.

"I stand here not as a supplicant... For the issue is neither Israel nor Zionism," Herzog said. "The issue is the continued existence of this organization, which has been dragged to its lowest point of discredit by a
coalition of despots and racists. The vote of each delegation will record in history its country's stand on anti-Semitic racism and anti-Judaism. You yourselves bear the responsibility for your stand before history, for as
such will you be viewed in history. We, the Jewish people, will not forget."

As he concluded, remembering how his father, Palestine's chief rabbi in the 1930s, protested the British White Paper restricting Jewish immigration, Herzog ripped up his copy of the resolution.

Herzog could tear the resolution to tatters. The UN could rescind it in 1991. Yet 34 years later this new Big Lie, the Soviet and Nazi roots of which historian Bernard Lewis uncovered­, sitll persists. Jews, long victimized by racists and disgusted by racism, have been tagged as racists.

Israel, the Jewish people's collective entity, has been compared to apartheid South Africa, with the Palestinian-Israeli national conflict cast falsely as a racial conflict. And just as anti-apartheid activists once
nobly agitated to boycott South African products, divest from South African companies and sanction South African racists, an ignoble BDS movement (Boycott, Divestment and Sanctions for Palestine) seeks to impose similar punishments on Israel.

BDS sounds like a new communicable disease - in many ways it is. It is viral and pathological; we ignore it at our peril.

One of the first sessions held as the General Assembly of the United Jewish Communities convened this Sunday in Washington featured speakers who understand what Herzog understood, that this campaign reflects on its perpetuators its perpetrators. It reflects their bias, their double standards, their blindness to the sins of others and their myopic obsession with Israel's imperfections.

Herzog understood something else too. Israel's adversaries have given it a gift of sorts by drawing a clear line in the sand. The BDS debate is not about "occupation" or borders or peace processes. It is not about Likud vs. Labor or Meretz vs. Shas. The BDS campaign assails Israel's legitimacy, declaring it so odious that no one should drink any Israeli wine, no one should enjoy any Israeli film, no one should collaborate with any Israeli academic. This BDS movement is an obscene campaign of blacklisting,
demonizing and slandering, as activists in Toronto have redefined it, understanding we must name, shame and reframe.

So far, the warfare has been asymmetrical. Facing the systematic BDS campaign to delegitimize Israel, Jewish groups have responded sporadically, haphazardly. But there is a growing awareness that the Jewish community needs a sophisticated, coordinated strategy. As Herzog's UN colleague Daniel Patrick Moynihan would later write:

It would be tempting to see in this propaganda nothing more than bigotry of a quite traditional sort that can,
sooner or later, be overcome. But the anti-Israel, anti-Zionist campaign is not uninformed bigotry, it is conscious politics... It is not merely that our adversaries have commenced an effort to destroy the legitimacy of a kindred democracy through the incessant repetition of the Zionist-racist lie. It is that others can come to believe it also. Americans among them."

At the session, which I moderated and which attracted an overflow crowd, Malcolm Hoenlein, executive vice chairman of the Conference of Presidents of Major American Jewish Organizations, called this fight "the defining issue of our time." He said the Jewish people, despite our pride in being a tolerant people, must have "zero tolerance for this intolerance."

Professor Irwin Cotler, the former Canadian minister of justice and attorney-general, analyzed the anti-Israel "lawfare," showing how the language of human rights,­ the important infrastructure of international law,
­ is hijacked to legalize and legitimize Israel's delegitimization.

He showed how this unrighteous assault using righteous concepts sought to make Israel today's "new anti-Christ." Cotler, a noted human rights activist, also reported that when he was invited to join a UN human rights inquiry whose biased anti-Israel mandate predetermined a guilty verdict, he said no. Cotler refused to be "a Jewish fig leaf" for a corrupted, anti-Israel, human rights-lynching, unlike his colleague Richard Goldstone.

The remainder of the session provided reports from the field of useful tactics to combat the Israel-haters. The Jewish community cannot do this alone. Relationships must be nurtured, grassroots must be tended to
establish common cause against the forces of hatred. We must be proactive not reactive, nimble and subtle, mastering the insider lingo of each special interest group involved in a particular fight.

When boycotters targeted the Toronto International Film Festival, Hollywood heavyweights mobilized, not just to defend Israel, but to fight blacklists, which are anathema in that community. Corporations must realize how much money they will lose if the world market becomes a politically correct, divestment-strewn battlefield on which the world's despots target Israel, the perennial whipping boy, or some other perceived enemy.

And soldiers fighting terror all over the world must realize that if Israel's anti-terror squads are prosecuted in international courts one day, America's or England's or Canada's war heroes could be next.

The pro-Israel community can make lemonade from these BDS lemons. In Toronto, when the BDSers boycotted Israeli wine merchants, they triggered a wave of Israeli wine purchases; when they protested a Dead Sea Scroll exhibit and the Toronto International Film Festival's tribute to Tel Aviv, they guaranteed sold-out events.

More broadly, we should seize this opportunity to reframe the debate away from the messy complexities of Israeli politics and Israeli-Palestinian disputes to the simple question the blacklisters-demonizers-slanderers raise about accepting or repudiating Israel's right to exist. And we should recall, that just as 40 years ago the prospects of freeing Soviet Jewry seemed dim, just as a century ago the dream of a Jewish state
seemed impossible, sometimes the good guys win, conditions improve, grassroots movements shape historical earthquakes.

The time to forge coalitions of the righteous against the hypocritically self-righteous has come. We need a sustained, effective, movement against the delegitimization of Israel, understanding that in defeating this
Orwellian inversion of all that is good, we will restore the world's moral balance while defending the Jewish state, the Jewish people, and democracy from despots and terrorists.

The writer is professor of history at McGill University on leave in Jerusalem and the author of Why I Am A Zionist: Israel, Jewish Identity and the Challenges of Today and The Reagan Revolution: A Very Short Introduction.

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1  |   jihadist and anti-Israel propaganda watch, Thursday Nov 12, 2009
Excellent points all. And indeed: "The Jewish community cannot do this alone. Relationships must be nurtured, grassroots must be tended to establish common cause against the forces of hatred. We must be proactive not reactive, nimble and subtle, mastering the insider lingo of each special interest group involved in a particular fight." And "mastering the insider lingo of each special interest group" could be done most effectively/quickly by finding and joining non-Jewish masters of the insider lingoes.
2  |   Sally - U.S.A., Thursday Nov 12, 2009
Wasn't this the policy of Rashid Khalidi (victimization of the Palestinians) & Carter's book & & Rev. Wright's diatribes (zionism is racism sold on DVD)? How loudly did the members of the GA clap for Emanuel? Considering the Goldstone report resolution & Obama's recitation of Khalidi, his sending the council of elders (Carter et al) to Gaza & his friendship with Rev. Wright - Don't you think that the GA should look in the mirror & not be afraid.
3  |   Ex South African rabbi, Thursday Nov 12, 2009
May waves of Israeli and Zionist youth representing the absolute diversity and non-apartheid nature of Israeli and global Jewish society descend upon the campuses of North America - refuting in fact and personal encounter - the canards of the Leftist flat-earthers. What is taking so long for this idea to be acted upon?
4  |   David USA, Thursday Nov 12, 2009
The writer has merely deligitimized himself by trying to deligitimize someone like Judge Goldstone whose unblemished life and work in the area of human rights needs no legitimization from anyone - least of all from this writer. Just who is Gil Troy anyway - a mere midget compared with a universally esteemed personality like Goldstone !
5  |   Michael Greenberg, Thursday Nov 12, 2009
YES--its time we jews de-legitimized the de-legitimizers....THEY have a long diverse trail ...FRom Constantine's Chritianity to Hitler ---from Mohammed to today's Arab+Muslim "takeover" by GANG vote of the U.N. "idyll" converyting it to a kangaroo propaganda court for their own "cause"....Yep-HISTORY sure has been FUN for the de-legitimizing Jew-haters....what a paradise their world woub be with no jews ---of course with no Jews left they would turn against each other and then against themselves ....what good "human rights" with nobody left to seek their "protection"...The U.N. is a joke!
6  |   Jan, Australia, Thursday Nov 12, 2009
The campaign to isolate South Africa may have failed. It did indeed bring, finally, majority rule, but, there was not a great worth left to rule over. The country was reduced by the anti-apartheid action as many of the wealthy left South Africa, for economic reasons before or as ANC came to power. I know someone who moved last year from South Africa who was forced to leave their job - so it would be given to a 'black', so apartheid is not dead, just on the other foot. I suspect that Israel is a very different case, and that sanctions may be tough but useful in helping sort out the economy.
7  |   Jan, Australia, Thursday Nov 12, 2009
Unlike South Africa, sanctions sort out who is Israel's enemy. There is no point Israel benefiting the enemy with hi-tech trade! If a nation won't buy wine because they hate you, it's not worth while selling them technology to use against you.
8  |   Dr. Dan, Thursday Nov 12, 2009
Removing Jewish settler from the West Bank would be ethnic cleansing. Jewish settlements are legal under the UN partition agreement of 1947. Israel was recognized as a peaceful nation by the UN in 1948. There is no Palestinian state. International law applying to nation states does not apply. The Geneva convention is being misused since it applied to sudden movement of population during wartime. Wjile Jordan ruled the West Bank there was no movement for a Palestinian state.
9  |   Scott from Philadelphia, Friday Nov 13, 2009
I think your just great, Prof. Troy. Every article you post is uniquely interesting and motivating.
10  |   Sajid Syed, Friday Nov 13, 2009
We need to take a more nuanced look at race. Race is part of a person's identity. To be at peace with oneself, a person needs to accept her/his race and culture, not suppress it. And there is perfectly alright for people of a certain race to come together to form a nation, as long as the state is based on democratic values such as liberty, equality and fraternity. Israel is an example of such a state. Fundamentally, it is democratic and racist. It is good to be racist, as long as one can respect the "other". I submit that to respect the "other", one must respect one's own race.
11  |   Eli bar, Israel, Friday Nov 13, 2009
To David USA #4: As president Shimon Peres said: "Goldstone is a small technocrat with no sense of justice". So who is this Goldstone compared to an esteemed Nobel Prize Laureate like Peres !?
12  |   Lynda, Canada, Friday Nov 13, 2009
Re: #5 -- The UN IS a joke! So is the current US administration. In today's news we learn that the self-proclaimed architect of 9/11 is to be tried in a civil court, on authority of the US administration. Get ready for the greatest show of Political Correctness ever. "Your honour, this poor old terrorist was waterboarded 183 times at Guantanamo before he confessed." "How terrible. If we convict him there might be a Muslim backlash ... uhm ... I rule case dismissed." The Bible tells us that in the end times good will be perceived as evil and vice versa. Welcome to the end times!
13  |   Gábor Fränkl, Saturday Nov 14, 2009
David, USS - Are you working for Human Rights Watch? Or Soros, whose computer Goldstone sent some of his official responses from? Are you intentionally lblind or do you have vested interests in protecting the man?
14  |   Colin Bradley DK, Saturday Nov 14, 2009
To Sajid Syed #10 - But to be racist means precisely not accepting the "other" on an equal footing with one's own race. That is the definition of the word. So it can never be a good thing to be racist. But to be able to "respect the "other", one must respect one's own race" is a good point.
15  |   Colin Bradley DK, Saturday Nov 14, 2009
@ Sajid By the way why were you refused a visa to Israel? (You write in your blog) Three days in prison for attempting to visit a country sounds a bit harsh.
16  |   Colin Bradley DK, Saturday Nov 14, 2009
This is an excellent legitimization of Israel. Now all that's missing to balance the books is an equally excellent legitimization of Palestine. However, seen from abroad, Israel's actions seem to bespeak an encroaching delegitimization of Palestine. And actions, as we know, speak louder than words. Yes, of course I'm talking about settlement expansion. I do really hope someone will correct me if I'm wrong about this but my gut feeling says that Israel, being now fully conscious of its military unassailibility in the region, no longer has any sincere intention to trade the return of Arab land
17  |   Colin Bradley DK, Saturday Nov 14, 2009
for peace. This cannot, of course, lead to anything other than a state of perpetual conflict, where Palestinians, in their bid not to be forgotten, will find it necessary to make desperately suicidal militant gestures of armed uprising, whilst Israel will periodically find it necessary and justifiable (by calling it terrorism) to flex its muscles to quell them. Even if Zionism is not intrinsically racist, the prolongation of this situation will lead to a brutalisation of the occupation, and a de facto apartheid. A swiftly growing number of observers abroad - and, indeed, not just a few
18  |   Colin Bradley DK, Saturday Nov 14, 2009
Israelis - feel that this already has been the case for some time now, with curtailment of Palestinian freedom of movement in their own territory, unfair distribution of water, hindrances in obtaining building permits, roads reserved for Iraelis and so on. Palestinians hold one weak and - so far - ineffective trump card in this unwholesome powerplay; their ability to cull the traditional underdog sympathy abroad. Israel holds all the rest of the cards, and is the only party which, by its will alone, could alter the historical course of things, toward a more just solution. It would be
19  |   Colin Bradley DK, Saturday Nov 14, 2009
befitting for Israel as the regional superpower, to rise above the level of pernicious elder cousin, taunting his poor relation for his weakness and unhappiness, by building on and lording it over the land that poor cousin has set his hopes on, and instead show the grace and magnanimity necessary for the Palestinians to be able to recover some pride and dignity. That means sending an unmistakeably unambiguous signal to tell the world that Israel does NOT covet Palestinian territory. If a delegitimization of delegitimizers is indeed called for, Israel could most appropriately start
20  |   Colin Bradley DK, Saturday Nov 14, 2009
unilaterally with a delegitimitization of the delegitimizers of Palestine. Morally, securitywise and economically Israel can afford to do that. If it did so, it would discover that a campaign against the boycott movement would be unnecessary. Israel holds the key to this issue. It can continue to pursue it's present political course of creating 'facts on the ground' (as Israelis so fondly call it), designed to make the idea of a Palestinian state seem ever more remote and unworkable, which will intensify international pressure for boycotts and sanctions, or it could simply reverse this
21  |   Colin Bradley DK, Saturday Nov 14, 2009
course and thereby remove the credibility for any such boycott movement. I cannot for the life of me think of any good reason why Israel should not choose the second of these options.
22  |   Elizabeth, Saturday Nov 14, 2009
Fighting back against delegitimizers is working. Check out today's online edition of The Guardian, that clearing house for BDS. Human Rights Watch is complaining very piteously of a 'conspiracy' to discredit it, led by Israel's PM and unnamed 'rightwing' blogs. It had me in stitches! Read for yourselves!
23  |   Sol Katzen, Saturday Nov 14, 2009
If our friends do vigorously begin to condemn the calumny against us, they will soon fall prey to the same treatment.
24  |   Roy j USA, Sunday Nov 15, 2009
When will we Jews make a march on Washington DC with hundreds of thousand sof Jews and Non Jews who support Israel do exactly a Martin Luther King did many years ago? Show Pres obama who we Americans really understand the real enemy of the USA is Fundamental Islam! We can never change the sick mind of the Jew haters! But we can show our support for Israel as a great ally to America. The UN is loaded with Jew Hating nations. Lets have a March in support of Israel. UN Human Rights Watch ...what a tradgic joke!
25  |   Palestiniansareamyth, Sunday Nov 15, 2009
Colin; Your full of it! "Palestine" does not exist. Israel, the West Bank, and Gaza are Jewish land. The Arab invadors have falsely claimed that it's their land because they lie. There has never been a Palestinian country, people, culture or society. Jews were in fact the first to be called Palestinians because they have always lived in Israel/Palestine. "Palestine" is just another name for Israel. Occupation and apartheid are what Arab Muslims have in their countries. Arabs back to Arabia. Israel belongs to the Jews!
26  |   Sajid Ahmed Ghouse Syed, Sunday Nov 15, 2009
Colin Bradley: I told the security at Tel Aviv airport that my application for Aliyah (immigration) to Israel was in process. They said they could not give me a tourist visa and wanted my Aliyah application to be completed.
27  |   Chris USA, Sunday Nov 15, 2009
How does one form a coalition against a Kristallnacht of shattered dreams and broken hopes? Tell me my brother so that I too may act wisely.
28  |   Sajid Syed, Cambridge, Canada, Sunday Nov 15, 2009
#14 Colin: As to the question of racism,it is not necessary for different races to be equal. To compare races, I would look at the average behaviour of people of a race in a particular aspect of life. When we look at respect for freedom, groups like whites, Jews, Tibetians, Indians, Japanese are better than Arabs or Chinese (excepting Taiwan and Hong Kong). To treat two unequal entities as equal is showing disrespect to equality. However, within each group, there are large differences between individuals. Each individual should be judged on her/his own merit.
29  |   Sajid Syed, Cambridge, Canada, Sunday Nov 15, 2009
The territories of E. Jerusalem, West Bank, Gaza, Golan were won by Israel in a war started due to aggression by her neighbours. Settlements are legitimate, as long as they are not built on Palestinian private property. Israel has made mistakes in Gaza and West Bank. However,it has shown more inclination for peace than Palestinian leaders. The Camp David deal was rejected by Arafat, though Ehud Barak offered him more than what was necessary. The leadership of Arab countries has done little to ease Palestinian suffering but exploits it to divert public attention from its own incompetence.
30  |   debka from jerusalem, Sunday Nov 15, 2009
The Campaign to Delegitimize Israel with the False Charge of Apartheid / Robbie Sable The accusation is made that the very fact that Israel is considered a Jewish state proves an "Apartheid - like" situation..The real goal behind the Apartheid campaign is the denial of the legitimacy of the State of Israel. for entire report and executive summary please go to [ Link to page ] debka
31  |   Iris, Sunday Nov 15, 2009
Its time for those who truly seek to unravel this debacle to view the region as a whole. The Jews, an indigenous population, are the only social group within the M.E. to have survived the antisemitic oppression of of the Authoritarian regimes in the neighborhood-as dhimi, not unlike others oppressed in Arab lands...and to succeed in forming their own nation-state. If I were the regimes of these lands, I too would abject to the statement that the very existence of Israel implies. Like all narcissists, Jewish nationalism and statehood is taken personally because it speaks of human rights won!!!
32  |   Iris , Canada, Sunday Nov 15, 2009
Regardless of all of the rhetoric the facts remain standing: The indigenous population of the Jews have acheived success in their national aspirations. This is the same wave that has be legitimized in numerous countries. Nationalism was not a new phenomenon in the 20th century, what was unique in the case of Israel, is that each of the other regional stakeholders have have a personal political vested interest in ensuring that Israel should fail. Why? Authoritarian resilence is dependent upon intrastate regime control, preferred treatment of elite groups, zero contestation of minorities & cash.
33  |   Iris , Canada, Sunday Nov 15, 2009
Regardless of all of the rhetoric the facts remain standing: The indigenous population of the Jews have acheived success in their national aspirations. This is the same wave that has be legitimized in numerous countries. Nationalism was not a new phenomenon in the 20th century, what was unique in the case of Israel, is that each of the other regional stakeholders have have a personal political vested interest in ensuring that Israel should fail. Why? Authoritarian resilence is dependent upon intrastate regime control, preferred treatment of elite groups, zero contestation of minorities & cash.
34  |   Iris , Canada, Sunday Nov 15, 2009
Nationalist aspirations led to decolonization of Africa, parts of Asia & South America & the Middle East over the span of the 20th century. Indigenous populations the world over have fought for their UN Charter enscribed rights to the entitlement of a homeland. The Jews of Arab lands and continental Europe were at the helm of reasserting their aspirations for a homeland in line with this trend. We are indigenous to the region - the Authoritarian regimes have their own calculus- they remain undeveloped in their politics and ethos. Any nationalism that does not support their regime is a threat.
35  |   M.Ogilvy, Sunday Nov 15, 2009
C.Bradley: your starting points are false:the West Bank was never a Palestinian |Territory. Since the defeat of the Ottomans,it was ruled by the Brits,the so-called Jordanians and Israel.At best, it is a disputed territory on which Israel has no less a legitimate claim than any arab. Your pseudo-knowledge is fuelling your political agenda and vice versa. The "Palestinian" issue is the creation of the endless appetite for land of Jihad-bent arabs. The West's interest on the matter is hypocrisy built on ignorance, financed by petro-dollars and mascaraded as concerns for "Human-rights".
36  |   Colin Bradley DK, Sunday Nov 15, 2009
Sajid - "When we look at respect for freedom, groups like whites, Jews, Tibetians, Indians, Japanese are better than Arabs or Chinese " This is a very sweeping generalisation and even if it was true I doubt that it would have anything to do with race. It might indeed be argued that in certain periods in history Arabs in fact had a more advanced concept of freedom compared to that of the Europeans. When I use the word 'equal' I use it in the sense which I believe is the commonest in English i.e. equal in the sense of being equally entitled to the right of being treated with the basic respect
37  |   Colin Bradley DK, Sunday Nov 15, 2009
anyone in the world might expect simply by virtue of being a member of the human race. Not 'equal' in the sense of being equally endowed with specific characteristics - certainly there are observable differences in that respect. For example that Asians have a lower tolerance of alcohol than Western Europeans is a racial difference which is just a fact of life, but it doesn't - or shouldn't - lead to Asians having more, less or different basic rights than Europeans.
38  |   Creidim / Canada, Monday Nov 16, 2009
You cannot annex land using force. This is a fact. The World didn't mobilize to save the Jews from Hitler, if he had of stayed in his own country, most of the countries would have turned a blind eye, and continued to do business with them. It was when he decided to start annexing land for Germany, and marched into Poland, that it became a big deal to stop him. He didn't march across europe just to eliminate jews, that was secondary to forming a new stronger Germany, with other nations resources.The world doesn't recognize a 2,000yr old land claim nor religious beliefs as international borders
39  |   Colin Bradley DK, Monday Nov 16, 2009
#35 M.Ogilvy - Let's take it from the other end then. If Israelis can say the West Bank is disputed territory then Palestinians can just as well say that Israel is disputed territory. If the objective is peace and Israel and Palestine want the rest of the world to recognise their respective claims to sovereignty, then the two parties have reach an agreement without the use of bullying, and where each respects the right of the other to exist. If one or both parties abandon this objective, and choose to sort out their differences through violence, then the winner shall not regard it as his
40  |   Colin Bradley, Monday Nov 16, 2009
automatic right to win the acceptance of the rest of the world. Nor shall the stronger expect the world to heed his howls of "terrorism" if the weaker tries to fight back with whatever means he has available. Personally I would be very sad to see Israel degenerating into a pariah state, but that seems to be what is happening. This "endless appetite for land of Jihad-bent Arabs" you speak of seems not to be much in evidence in real praxis; on the other hand the heavy handed evictions of Arab citizens in East Jerusalem, of whom some had been occupying homes that had been in the family for many
41  |   Colin Bradley, Monday Nov 16, 2009
decades, speaks of an appetite of gluttonous dimension, and a total lack of respect for the humanity of the other party – a willingness to completely delegitimize their existence.
42  |   Ben, USA, Monday Nov 16, 2009
It is amazing how intelligent people like Colin Bradley or Creidim from Canada fall for Arab propaganda. In reality, Israel has repeatedly offered Palestinians a state, on almost all of the territory of Gaza and the West Bank; it has uprooted settlements. Palestinians remained adamant in their demand for "return of the refugees" - essentially the eliminaiton of Israel. They demand an Arab Palestinian state, but do not recognize a Jewish state of Israel. Those who want peace have to pressure the Arabs, not Israel.
43  |   Louis Proyect, NYC, Monday Nov 16, 2009
Gosh, this is really interesting. Israeli fascism. Who would have ever thought?
44  |   ben avey USA, Monday Nov 16, 2009
Creidim of Canada,what history books are you reading? Do you know how many nations were forged by annexing (invading also) by force! Israle was mandated by teh UN ..no force..but the Arabs who also were mandated a state refused, so they attacked and used force. Guess what ..they Lost! Your words,."a big deal to stop him (Hitler). If we (alllies) didnt you and I would be speaking German.22 Arab states were given their "freedom" after being colonoized by Europe for centuries. But a Jewish State? Well Israel is the best thing that happened to the whole Middle East! Arabs were sleeping zzzz!
45  |   Colin Bradley, Tuesday Nov 17, 2009
#35 M.Ogilvy: OK Let's take it from the other end then. The West Bank, you say is "disputed territory". What makes it "disputed"? Is France "disputed territory"? No. do I hear you say? Well I hereby, as an Englishman, lay claim to the territory that today is known as France. That was easy. Now France is "disputed territory", since I do not suppose the Frenchmen have any intention of accepting my claim and moving out so I can take over. Absurd? You bet. So what would you say to the Palestinians if they were to stake their claim to Israel, such that Israel became "disputed territory"?
46  |   Colin Bradley, Tuesday Nov 17, 2009
Probably something unprintable. Wasn't that why the war was fought in 1948 because the Arabs wouldn't content themselves with just a share of the land? That's what we've been told. Highly unreasonable. But not unreasonable if it's Israel who is contemplating grabbing everything for itself, by force if necessary? That's what you seem to be telling me. I would be very sad to see Israel degenerate into a pariah state, but when I hear people speaking like this I fear that that is just what is happening. Professor Troy's intention was to rally opposition to the consequences of the "Zionism
47  |   Colin Bradley, Tuesday Nov 17, 2009
is racism" slogan, (sanctions and so on) but your derogatory remark "the endless appetite for land of Jihad-bent arabs" discloses your racist attitude and shows that you care not one jot for justice; all that matters for you is that Israel's demands are met. This disgraceful attitude cannot and must not be legitimized. In fact it should be delegitimized. And insofar as Israel's domestic politics bear the hallmark of such attitudes, then these should also be delegitimized.
48  |   Iris , Canada, Tuesday Nov 17, 2009
2000 year old land claim? Does that mean that First nations of North and South America, Aboriginals of Australia, Zapatec of Central America to name a few, are no longer entitled to their homelands? You don't need to go back 2000 years for Jews to claim indigenous status in Israel. The fact is that there has always been a Jewish presence in the MIddle East while others have come and gone, civilizations have risen and dissappeared, but we remain. International borders? Territories have shifted throughout the millenia, the nation-state system only since Westphalia in 1630's. Ignorance is dangerous.
49  |   Bruce in Ottawa Canada, Tuesday Nov 17, 2009
Enough with the negativity. No matter how justified. How about a little success? Why doesn't the Post ignore Ahmadinejad for a day and celebrate the noble efforts of a fellow democrat: PM Harper of Canada. Yesterday, on a visit to India, his first visit was to Chabad House in Mumbai to pay his respects to the victims of the terrorist attacks last year. And in a demonstration of his understanding that terrorism is all about the messaage, he sent his own by staying in one of the hotels which was targeted and having the press entourage stay in the other. Well done, Mr. PM.
50  |   Sajid Syed, Tuesday Nov 17, 2009
#49, Bruce. Well said. #36, Colin: As for the right to be treated with respect, it is an individual, universal right. All individuals have some universal rights- universal rights by definition are independent of race. What I have compared is the average behaviour of races, which is a subjective characteristic that may or may not change with time. With all due respect/disrespect, all races are not equal in their behaviour or attributes.
51  |   samuel RSA, Tuesday Nov 17, 2009
Why don,t the Kurds get their homeland in Northern Iraq ,with Mosul and Kirkuk as th major cities as they want to live seperately from the Iraqis.Why does Turkey send troops across the border to harrass the Peshmergar ,Kurdish freedom fighters and sow mayhem and carnage in the region.Why is Turkey suddenly cosying up to the Iranian regime ?Pertinent questions relating to the Arab/Muslim world ,so who can answer these questions?
52  |   samuel RSA, Tuesday Nov 17, 2009
Colin Bradley 16 talks about settlement expansion and the occupation of so called Arab land,so which books is he reading since civilised history contradicts him over and again ,or maybe his reading Arafats memoirs of lies and deceipts.The Israeli govt. builds anywhere in Greater Israel and doesn,t need Mr.Bradley or Amr Moussa,s permission ,so cut the bulls-,please?
53  |   samuel RSA, Tuesday Nov 17, 2009
Colin Bradley is now the official spokesperson for Palestine/Jordan and knows international law back to front.He also knows that the League of Nations mandated two states side by side in peace and prosperity in 1948,he knows that the massed Arab armies attacked the fledgling Jewish state in May of that year ,but were routed ,he knows that five major conflicts have occurred since then,yet he still can,t put two and two together and see where the problems lie,not wiith Jewish Israel but radical,fundamen talist Arab intransigence ,no wonder the Palestinians cannot get it together . x
54  |   samuel RSA, Tuesday Nov 17, 2009
Reading Colin Bradley,s harangue makes one think of Lord Haw Haw the British Nazi mouthpiece of the last great war ,with all the nonsensical infantile diatribe sprouting forth .
55  |   Julius Rayetzkas, Lithuania, Tuesday Nov 17, 2009
Who is this Colin Bradley? Since when is permitted a single person to post so much per blog per date? Something must be wrong at "Jerusalem Post" talk-back.
56  |   Creidim / Canada, Tuesday Nov 17, 2009
Iris: The difference being that those Indigenous peoples were the ONLY peoples in the territories they occupied, and ALL others were 'settlers'. Plus, not one of those Indigenous peoples that you mention have had the audacity to claim *ALL* of the territory as 'theirs' and used a RELIGIOUS belief to justify it. Try reading Avi Shalaim, or Benny Morris, too many of todays youth have no idea of the history of the region short of what their respective governments official line is *on both sides*
57  |   Colin Bradley, Wednesday Nov 18, 2009
#50 @Sajid Ah well, in that case you are right. I share your observation; different races have different characteristics and are therefore not, in that respect, equal. All I'm saying is that if you think this acknowledgement makes us racists, then you have misunderstood the meaning of the word 'racism'. #42 @Ben Even though your insert recognizes no Israeli culpability in the present miserable situation, I take heart from it since you are at least bold enough to mention the word 'peace', and must therefore embrace the idea that peace is a theoretical possibility. And I'm sure you're right
58  |   Colin Bradley, Wednesday Nov 18, 2009
solution. But what makes you say that the Palestinians do not recognize a Jewish state of Israel? They did so over 16 years ago. Currently it is the Israeli administration which is heading away from Oslo in the opposite direction at a thousand kilometers an hour, and building settlements like there was no tomorrow. And if anyone dares to question this political strategy they immediately get branded as Nazi sympathising anti Semitic Israel haters, by people like Samuel #54. Any intelligent person must be able to see that Israel cannot go on behaving like this and still expect to command the
59  |   Colin Bradley, Wednesday Nov 18, 2009
respect of the international community. Therefore I disagree with Professor Troy's article because he makes no attempt to discriminate between justifiable and unjustifiable criticism of Israel, and tries to tar all of us who raise any criticism at all with the same brush. "More broadly, we should seize this opportunity to reframe the debate away from the messy complexities of Israeli politics and Israeli-Palestinian disputes to the simple question the blacklisters-demonizers-slanderers raise about accepting or repudiating Israel's right to exist." We are just Israel hating anti-Semites whose
60  |   Colin Bradley, Wednesday Nov 18, 2009
goal is to destroy Israel, in Professor Troy's deliberately over simplistic interpretation of the problem. Even though he calls himself a moderate, he would prefer to delegitimize all criticism, rather than enter into a debate about which aspects of Israeli foreign and domestic policy ought to be changed, and what solution could be envisaged which would be most just to both Israel and Palestine. In no way should any of this be misunderstood to mean that I regard the Palestinian camp as blameless in the failure to achieve peace. It's not necessary for me in this blog to add to the already
61  |   Colin Bradley, Wednesday Nov 18, 2009
well amplified castigation of Palestinian policies. But the uncritical endorsement of everything Israel does is - to borrow Gil Troy's term as applied to those who criticize Israel - myopic. I believe Israel needs the criticism of the outside world (providing of course that it a. - is constructive and b. - is a critique of Israel's policies and actions and not a not an argument against Israel's basic right to exist ) to be able to come to it's senses. Criticism of Israel which might help to prevent Israel sinking into the morass of moral oblivion and bellicose ignorance as expressed in such
62  |   Colin Bradley, Wednesday Nov 18, 2009
sentiments as "The Israeli govt. builds anywhere in Greater Israel and doesn,t need Mr.Bradley or Amr Moussa,s permission ,so cut the bulls-,please? " would ultimately be to the advantage of Israel, and strengthen both it's dignity and it's international standing. No delegitimizing of anybody without sound reason behind it I say.
63  |   CARES1996, Wednesday Nov 18, 2009
THE BDS MEMBERS AND SUPPORTERS SHOULD HAVE BEEN DISBANDED YRS. AGO,YA DON`T HAVE TO BE A MENTAL GIANT,ITS MOST PROBABLY THAT DARN ENERGY NEED AGAIN,SEE WHY THE SO-CALLED ENVIORMENTALST MOVEMENT IRRITATES ME,YOU`LL FIND SAME THING ALMOST EVERY TURN.A VALID CONCERN GETS TWISTED AND FINDS ITSELF HELPING THE OPPOSITION TO PEACE AND FREEDOM.DUE TO THE EXPLOITATION OF MOVEMENT WE FUND THOSE WHO SEEK OUR DESTRUCTION.EVALUATE THOSE THAT DO THE DRILLING,ARE THEY BETTER STEWARDS OF PLANET,NOT A CHANCE SO LETS MOVE FORWARD ON BOTH TRACKS THE FUEL OF TODAY AS WELL OF TOMMORROW 75% AND25% AT MOST.
64  |   cares1996, Wednesday Nov 18, 2009
sorry got off track,those politicians that currently support the bds malarky shouldn`t be afforded there spots,confidence is high that if they get their anti-semitic votes exposed they`ll get replaced by people that beleive in equality and the power that comes with oil will switch faster than you`ll beleive,regardless what you think about its use its here now and with other nations using it,its safe to say those drilling it will have abundant influence over others,we in u.s. have gas and oil,however the enviormentals stop its use,thereby terrorists get funding.(bds)
65  |   Jack in Oregon, Wednesday Nov 18, 2009
I appreciate Colin Bradley's lone voice of truth here. Israel has delegitimized itself from the beginning by establishing itself through terrorism and ethnic cleansing (see Israeli historian Ilan Pappe's The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine), continuing to steal land, commit massacres, bulldoze nearly 24,000 Palestinian homes to date, and defy international law including its pledges to (1) honor the Palestinian refugees' right of return and (2) intternationalize Jerusalem as conditions of its 1949 admission to the UN. BDS provides a necessary non-violent equalizer to Israel's asymmetrical power.
66  |   Colin Bradley DK, Thursday Nov 19, 2009
Oops! Something went wrong here. Between # 57 and #58 should read:
67  |   Colin Bradley DK, Thursday Nov 19, 2009
that I have sometimes fallen for Palestinian propaganda, just as I have also, at other times, fallen for Israeli propaganda. It is an enormous problem for those of us outsiders who seek to get to the truth, that the forests of propaganda on both sides are so dense, that it is nearly impossible to see beyond them. I agree that the refugee problem really was the last stumbling block at Taba in 2001; that's where we need to get back to, take up negotiation there where it broke off and solve that last problem because at Taba the two adversaries came closer than ever before or since to a lasting
68  |   Colin Bradley DK, Thursday Nov 19, 2009
Thanks Jack for your endorsment. As you can see from the section I inadvertently omitted and have now posted, I believe the question of the refugees is the hardest nut to crack. We have to be realistic. 3 - 4 generations down the line the original 700,000 are now nearly 4 million, and neither Israel nor a sovereign WB/Gaza could logistically bear that number. Not even if they worked together on it. So perhaps here is where the international community really could make itself useful. If the refugees had a true free choice then surely a sizeable number would choose to start afresh as full
69  |   Colin Bradley DK, Thursday Nov 19, 2009
citizens of a new host nation, yet still with some Palestinian affiliation: in fact rather like todays Jewish Diaspora many of whom still choose to remain in their original lands, but keep close contact with Israel?
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J.M.Jordan, Germany: Professor Troy, thanks! It would be just lovely to hear more abt everyday simple harmonic normal life, with like here somewhere a discrete hint at the place's real mix so it's even more of a joy. Best of all naturally, as a wise man of an Indian tribe once put it, never judge before having three weeks worn "the other's'" shoes. (What if everybody besides reporting beautiful normal things they experienced themselves tried to get a chance to do just that!)
Scott from Philadelphia: Right on point, as always. What a breath of fresh air it is to hear Israel referred to in a context other than one embedded with discord. Prof. Troy, home run yet a gain.
Colin Bradley DK: citizens of a new host nation, yet still with some Palestinian affiliation: in fact rather like todays Jewish Diaspora many of whom still choose to remain in their original lands, but keep close contact with Israel?