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Sunday Jul 05, 2009
Rosner's Domain: What happened to the "oral understandings" on settlements?Posted by SHMUEL ROSNER
Comments: 63      Follow Rosner's Domain on Twitter!!! My weekend column in Maariv (for Hebrew speakers only) was a comprehensive feature on the "oral understandings" between Israel and the US on settlements expansion. Here's the first paragraph: Apparently, it wasn't a mishap. The outgoing Bush administration didn't inform the incoming Obama administration about the understandings with Israel regarding settlement construction - but not because it was forgotten. It could not have been forgotten. Israel reminded. Officials in Jerusalem reminded officials in Washington - reminded and asked - that the "understandings" will be transmitted to the new administration in writing. However, the Bush administration has decided not to do such thing. It was a deliberate decision. Bottom line: you might not like Obama's new approach to "settlement freeze" - I don't. But blaming him alone is somewhat problematic. This state of affairs started with the Bush administration. Follow Rosner's Domain on Twitter!!!
1 | Christian aid worker, Sunday Jul 05, 2009
sara Israel, Israel faces no existential danger. Israel is a nuclear power, has 300 nuclear warheads, has one of the strongest armies in the world, control the Government, congress of the US.
so pls stop replaying this lie about Israel's survival.
The truth is that Israel is trying to destroy another nation, the Palestinian people by way of stealing their land and building hateful settlements thereon.
As to Christian Zionists, they are ignorant. they behave like whores...with no moral commitment for justice. They just support Israe blindly no matter what it does. No respect for them.
2 | Matityahu, Jerusalem, Sunday Jul 05, 2009
Sara, are you a rabbi dear? Don't argue over something you have no Knowledge of. Muslims are not infedels according to Judaism. We and Muslims worship the same G-d, the G-d of Abrahama, Isaac and Jacob. Christians don't worship the same G-d. They worship a son, a father and a holy ghost.
So, pls don't try to compromise the purity of Judaism for the purpose of attracting Christian support.
Yes, we welcome their support, but we don't want to hear about this "Jesus." Period.
3 | Alfred, NewYork, Sunday Jul 05, 2009
Michael, Florida, American Jews gave their votes to Obama not because they liked him, but rather because they wanted to vote for the winner.
4 | American citizen, Tulsa, Sunday Jul 05, 2009
Settlements are illegal according to International law. Israel must leave the last centimeter of the West Bank and Jerusalem. Otherwise there will be no peace.
5 | Observer, Sunday Jul 05, 2009
The "Christian aid worker talks nonsense and is seemingly anti-Semitic. Israel faces an existential threat from Iran who have threathened to wipe Israel off the map. Israel want peace, from which the Arabs have refused. There would have been a Palestinian state for years if the Palestinians just didn't want to destroy the Jewish state. Bill Clinton knows this, as do his successors. "Christian" anti-Semitism is an old phenomenon which has been studied by the scientists. Nothing new under the sun.
6 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Sunday Jul 05, 2009
You don't get a prize for being naive & trusting - generally, you get a slap in the face. Too many of our politicians are willing to place their trust in supposed allies, in the ''international community'', in unenforcible agreements with no recourse that depend only on wishful thinking & unsupported assumptions. When national interests are at stake, only our own ability to enforce the terms of an agreement matter. With the US in particular, we have little leverage & too great a dependence. Our politicians don't have the balls to stand up to America.
7 | Shel Zahav in Jerusalem, Sunday Jul 05, 2009
Actually, Clinton also accepted the Jewish towns and villages on the West Bank in the larger blocs. Bush did nothing new but continue the policy. We do not blame Obama for not continuing the Clinton/Bush policies. He is dead-set against Israel and has his own policy.
8 | Shel Zahav in Jerusalem, Sunday Jul 05, 2009
Reply to #4. I love your use of "internaional law". There is no such thing. You cannot define it. You don't know who could make such laws. This is nothing but the usual leftist nonsense which amounts to nothing more than, "International law is whatever I think."
9 | Shel Zahav in Jerusalem, Sunday Jul 05, 2009
Reply to #2. Sorry, Matityahu, you are wrong. Jews do not worship the moon-god Allah.
10 | Shel Zahav in Jerusalem, Sunday Jul 05, 2009
Reply to #1. You are sadly misinformed. First of all, Iran's nukes pose an existential dange to Israel. Second, your anti-Semitic missives render you unfit for decent discourse. Third, there is no such thing as a Palestinian nation nor a Palestinian people. Never has been.
11 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Sunday Jul 05, 2009
#4 Supposed American citizen - what you know about international law wouldn't fill a thimble if you know what that word means in English. Every last ''centi'meter'' - Americans say ''inches'' - I bet you don't even have a green card much less citizenship. Unless you are posting from Gaza or someplace & just lying about where you are. And there will be no peace & guess what? I don't care, I never expected any peace anyway. Zero concessions, I wouldn't give one ''centimeter'' not even a millimeter & let there not be peace.
12 | GOLDEN NUGGET Australia, Sunday Jul 05, 2009
#4 American citizen..Arab SQUATTERS on Jewish land are ILLEGAL..they must leave the last centimeter of ALL JEWISH LAND ..including Arab quarter of Jerusalem the West Bank Judea and Sumaria and go back to their true home JORDAN Otherwise they will forever flounder in their miserable hallicinations...and since when does an "American citizen" have the hide to preach to
Israel...look to your own decietful theft of Indian Mexican lands...and save your mouth for Muslim ass
kissing....
13 | GOLDEN NUGGET Australia, Sunday Jul 05, 2009
#4 American citizen..Arab SQUATTERS on Jewish land are ILLEGAL..they must leave the last centimeter of ALL JEWISH LAND ..including Arab quarter of Jerusalem the West Bank Judea and Sumaria and go back to their true home JORDAN Otherwise they will forever flounder in their miserable hallicinations...and since when does an "American citizen" have the hide to preach to
Israel...look to your own decietful theft of Indian Mexican lands...and save your mouth for Muslim ass
kissing....
14 | Merhav, Sunday Jul 05, 2009
The true squatters and thieves are those who came from Eastern Europe to murder and steal Arab land. The Arabs lived in Palestine since time immemorial, while most Ashkenazi Jews were still pagans before their Khazari king told them to adopt talmudic Judaism.
So, the true squatters, the true invaders, the true thieves, the true murderers, the true liars, are the Jews, not the Arabs.
15 | Christian aid worker, Sunday Jul 05, 2009
observer, stop using this stale weapon, "antisemitism." It won't help you.
Israel is a criminal state that doesn't want peace.
a country that really wants peace doesn't steal its neighbors' land and doesnt' transfer hundreds of thousands of its citizens to live on land that doesn't belong to them.
don't lie...people are more intelligent than believing your lies.
You are God's lying people.
16 | expert, Sunday Jul 05, 2009
Shel Zahav you are a liar coming from a lying nation. Iran doesn't hae nukes as you claim.
The only country in the ME to have nukes is Isrel.
17 | Naim Gabbi, an Iraqi Jew, Sunday Jul 05, 2009
Shel Zahav, the stupid kike.
If Jews don't worship the G-d moon, they why do they have names like "Daoud Attallah" and "Shafiq Nurallah Gabai" etc. Also why do the rabbis of old allow Jews to pray in a mosque but forbid them to pray in a chruch?
Also why did Moshe Ben Maimun, Rambam, used Allah for G-d in his books, which he wrote in Arabic?
It seems you are a combination of ignorance, arrogance and fanaticism. I feel sorry for you.
18 | Shel Zahav in Jerusalem, Sunday Jul 05, 2009
Naim Gabbi, Rambam (Rabbi Moshe Ben Maimon) lived at a time of tremendous Muslim persecution. Much of his family was forcibly converted to Islam or massacred. He, himself, was hi-jacked and forced into service of the Muslim leader in Egypt. FYI, Jews do not pray in mosques. They are allowed if that is all that is available to them under duress. Now, please stay on subject and cease your silly accusations. You can feel sorry for yourself, or improve yourself.
19 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Sunday Jul 05, 2009
I am the 18th poster on this site. The topic was :What happened to the oral understandings on settlements. There isn't one post that addresses that subject. Just the same old regulars calling the Jews murderes, liars, theives and pagans. Then the pro-Jewish side replying to the anti-semites. Yes Christian aid worker who aids no one - anti-semites. The topic could be "Do you think the memorial for Michael Jackson is worth watching" and your type would reply that the Jews are lians and land theives. It just gets a little tedious, and certainly loses any credibi;ity intended.
20 | andy-london, Sunday Jul 05, 2009
right you jew haters go read your koran again at surah 17 verse 100 to104 this is what it says "I have given the LAND of caanan to the ISRAELITES for an EVERLASTING covenant".So what do you say to that!!So therefore that means your claim to the land of Israel is rubbished in your own koran. It also means that it's everlasting,so your koran rubbishes you saying that the Israelites are not the same as the the indigenous jews who have always lived in the land.Of course your only taught jihad and how to kill jews and bypass all else as your hatred of the jews is all you care about.
21 | Chris, Hoboken, NJ, Sunday Jul 05, 2009
Christian aid worker
Don't hope that you will be able to get away with usual mantra "criticism of Israel is not antisemitism". Your claims that Israel "control the Government, congress of the US." and "Israel is a criminal state" do not leave you any room for maneuver. These are too reminiscent of Goebbel's "worldwide Jewsish conspiracy" etc.
Or, if you prefer, consider yourself not a "Jew-hater", but an "Israeli-hater" - big difference!
22 | Scholar, Sunday Jul 05, 2009
Andy-london, Muslims and Muslims aloen are the rightful inheritors of ancient Israel.
Besides, most Palestinians are descendants of Ancient Israel. They are what is meant in the Quran.
Most Ashkenazi Jews are not Israelites or Semites. They are invaders. They are not covered by the Biblical promise.
Also, the Quran says that the children of Israel, the Jews, will be utterly destroyed, and Muslims will reenter the Mosque...as they had entered it the first time.
It is in the first ten verses of surat Bani Israel (Israa). Read it.
23 | Naim Gabbai, an Iraqi Jew, Sunday Jul 05, 2009
Shel Zahav in Jerusalem, you are a muslim hater. For you, all Muslims are bad, all Arabs are bad. You are a Jewish copy of the most hateful anti-Semites.
fanatics like you don't hold ideas, they held by their ideas.
Eventually, you will be consumed by the fire of your hatred.
I advise you to stop teaching your children hate....
24 | David, NY, UJSA, Sunday Jul 05, 2009
No. 9 Shel Zahav - you are an ignoramus par excellence. There is no "moon god". Arabic and Hebrew are cognate languages. Semitic languages have no vowels and Allah stems from the same semitic root as El , which simply means god in both languages. God for both religioins is transcendent , invisible and ONE. Images (idols) of Allah or El are prohibted by both religions, that's why Jews can pray in a mosque devoid of pictures, rather than in a church. Got it ? Get an education.
25 | Ralph Haglund, Sweden, Sunday Jul 05, 2009
Dear "Christian" aid worker. I grew up a Christian - and called me that until the rampant Jew-hatred became stronger and stronger, after 30 years of calm after Hitler's Shoah. Then it started again like before. It is now quite some time since I left the Swedish Church after some absurdly anti-semite sermons by our arch-bishop. I would not dream of calling myself "Christian" anymore, maybe Noahide.
Tell me how much aid you have given to Jews? How much have you worked against muslim terrorists?
26 | Daniel-Atlanta, Sunday Jul 05, 2009
The "oral understanding on settlements" is like the "Oral Tradition" in Torah. It can be juggled around by anyone on a whim to make it say anything. Agreements between countries are like agreements between man and G-d. It's best to get it in writing!
27 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Sunday Jul 05, 2009
#24 David, NY - You are the ignoramus - since when are non-Muslims allowed in a mosque? And while Hebrew & Arabic are related languages, having many roots in common, this relation is very far in the past & the development of both cultures could not be more different. Where there is similarity, it is generally of a far more recent nature, as a result of the Arab conquest of lands where Jews lived well before Islam existed. There are many names for dieties in both languages, the Arabs were polytheists until Islam only 1400 years ago.
28 | Amnon, the Great AMERICAN Southwest, Sunday Jul 05, 2009
Obama was already an anti-Semite before he crawled into the White House. There were those of us who warned about someone sitting in a pew for 20 years, not having the guts to speak out, but applauded a guy who, if he were white, Obie would have been toast, for a Nazi is a Nazi no matter what color you are. There were those of us who said a guy who befriends the likes of Khalidi, Said is NO friend of Israel. A guy who chose the most anti-Israel team of foreign policy advisers (Brezinzski, Malley, Power) is NO friend of Israel. A guy who flip-flopped on Jerusalem is no friend. We warned you.
29 | andy-london, Sunday Jul 05, 2009
#22 where were your muslims before 600A.D. there was only desert arabs until mohammed had a nightmare in a cave where he started a NEW religion.It's funny how the Jews have the same Torah since Moses and yet you claim to be the real jews.It's never ever been known till now [lol that wait for it ]ARE YOU READY FOR THIS the pallis are now THE REAL JEWS.Why then do YOUR so called archaeologists destroy any ancient artafacts thats found at their sites as you'd think they'd be glad to prove THEIR origins,whereas the ISRAELIS show theirs to THE WORLD. "scholar oh yeah!!
30 | Amnon, the Great AMERICAN Southwest, Sunday Jul 05, 2009
Oh, I see we've got the so-called "American" citizen from Oklahoma again aka the dumb cluck redneck fascist.
Still ILLEGALY occupying Native American land, bozo? It's time to GET OUT, and get out now. Go back to Europe, you Eurotrash Jew-baiter. Better yet, the Europeans are beginning to wake up, but there are a few places like Gaza, West Beirut, and Tehran where the likes of you would be most welcome.
31 | bannister , USA, Sunday Jul 05, 2009
Oral agreements not worth the paper they are written on.
32 | psk, Sunday Jul 05, 2009
Oral agreements of which there is written record should be honored after a change in government, as if they were treaties. If country X agrees to make important concessions on the word of the government of country Y and then the govt of Y changes, X is left holding the bag? No, Obama and Clinton have double-crossed Israel, and double-crosser is not a nice word -- or a nice thing. When it comes right down to it, the US has noetter ally than Israel, and that includes the UK. The US should honor its commitmets.
33 | psk, Sunday Jul 05, 2009
#24 David: your info on Semitic EL is incomplete and misleading. (I take it your field is not proto-semitic linguistics.) Not to mention that "Semitic languages have no vowels" is an absurd statement. You mean that the vowels are not written out in the script. But even that is not true: consider the use of semivowels to guide reading. You could do with a few lessons yourself.
34 | Ralph Haglund, Sweden, Sunday Jul 05, 2009
Dear "Christian" aid worker. I grew up a Christian - and called me that until the rampant Jew-hatred became stronger and stronger, after 30 years of calm after Hitler's Shoah. Then it started again like before. It is now quite some time since I left the Swedish Church after some absurdly anti-semite sermons by our arch-bishop. I would not dream of calling myself "Christian" anymore, maybe Noahide.
Tell me how much aid you have given to Jews? How much have you worked against muslim terrorists?
35 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Sunday Jul 05, 2009
Bannister. I'm pretty sure the followers of Moses, Jesus and Mohammed were not folowing those guys around with their ball point pens at the ready. Yet billions of people accept the 10 commandments, the New Testament and the Koran as their gospel teachings. Oh yea, the 10 commandments were writtten in stone by G-d. Same for you #26 Daniel.
Funny, me thinks if the oral agreements favored the Palestinians they would be taken as the irrefutable truth. Sorta like lets start the peace initiative with only the concessions made by the Israelis and forget anything the Palestinians promised.
36 | bannister , USA, Sunday Jul 05, 2009
35 Bush was not a prophet and most of his writings would not make it to comic books.
"Bannister. I'm pretty sure the followers of Moses, Jesus and Mohamed"
37 | Christian aid worker, Sunday Jul 05, 2009
Ralph Haglund, why do you suppose that only anti-Semitism should be fought? How about Islamophobia, how about racism against blacks? How about xenophobia.
Besides, how about Jewish terrorism against innocent Palestinians? Aren't Jews capable of behaving like Nazis? What do you do when they do? Recently Jews carried out a virtual genocide in Gaza, what did you do to protest this collosal crime. Or perhaps you think genocide becomes kosher when committed by Jews?
It seems to me you are suffering from the blindness of the heart. I whish you a speedy recovery.
38 | Alfred, Sunday Jul 05, 2009
No. 28 says "Obama was already an anti-Semite before he crawled into the White House"
you are proving to all that American Jewry is very stupid, since they voted for him overwhelmingly.
How could a negro's intellect defeat the Jewish mind?
39 | "Anti-Semit", Sunday Jul 05, 2009
Chris, Hoboken, I couldn't care less about this alleged anti-Semitism you babble about.
Well, if criticism of Israeli criminality and genocidal practices in Gaza is anti-Semitism, then, yes, I am anti-Semite...and proud of it.
Get lost..times have changed, the internet has allowed us to know the truth about Israel.
40 | Shlomo Ammar, Sunday Jul 05, 2009
psk, I am erudite in Arabic, Hebrew. And it is true that Allah and Eluhim have the same semitic root.
It is the same God, despite all the ignorant propagnda by Christian Evangelicals who claim that Muslims worship a moon God?
In Sura III, we read the following:
84. Say: "We believe in G-d, and in what has been revealed to us and what was revealed to Abraham, Isma'il, Isaac, Jacob, and the Tribes, and in (the Books) given to Moses, Jesus, and the prophets, from their Lord: We make no distinction between one and another among them, and to G-d do we bow our will (in Islam)."
41 | *bheid, Monday Jul 06, 2009
I once heard that in the NYC diamond district millions of dollars of gems could change hands on a promise and a handshake. The world, the only world that bears living in, runs on trust. Obligations, debts, benefits and inheritances are passed on from generation to generation and from government to government in the world we call civilized. A governement that renegs on its agreements, promises, treaties or understandings is a government which does not operate in the world of trust. Fides, bond: that is the basis of humanity. And, a fortiore, of friendships and alliances.
42 | William Brown, San Antonio, Texas, Monday Jul 06, 2009
No one has the right to dictate whether or not Jews can live in Judea and Samaria. That real estate was given to the Jews for "close settlement" by the League of Nations and the UN is mandated to support all of the decisions that were passed to it. Until Israel and whatever barbarian entities they may decide to deal with conclude a treaty, those lands are LEGALLY and MORALLY open for Jewish settlement. At best Judea and Samaria are disputed territory and any other mendacity that you read here or anyplace else is absolute BS.
43 | Daniel-Atlanta, Monday Jul 06, 2009
To #36 Mike Feldman. I follow the written Scriptures, which I believe to be the revealed word of G-d, but I place no faith at all in "Oral Traditions," be they Jewish, Christian, Muslim, etc., which I believe are manmade. If it's worth preserving, write it down. Any good contract lawyer will tell you that, and so will rocket scientists for that matter.
44 | survivor's daughter, Queens NYC, Monday Jul 06, 2009
Oh goody!! Biden is saying Israel is a sovereign nation and can do as she pleases to "Iran or anyone". I guess settlement building is included in this statement as well. Whew! And I was worried over Biden committing yet another faux pas. I am so glad he straightened that out for Israel.
45 | lili shi walnut, ca usa, Monday Jul 06, 2009
After the 1956 Suez War between Egypt and France, England and Israel, the US took a very active role in getting the attackers out of Egypt, The USA guaranteed passage through the Straights of Tiran to all countries. In 1967 when Nasser decided to close the straights to Israeli shipping, the LBJ led government did nothing to keep it open. To get some perspective on the reliability of a US government, I suggest reading the 1967 Senate Hearings, recently declassified, regarding the closure of the Straights“ of Tiran. For a taste of its content I have included an excerpt...”Senator McClellan. May I ask, I would like to have some emphasis on this aspect of it--I note, and I quote: “Our governments will assert this right on behalf of all shipping sailing under their flags.'' I would like an interpretation of what you mean by that.”
It then turned into a discussion of what is guaranteed, to whom its guaranteed, and what is guaranteed! Get enlightened.
46 | James Hovland USA, Monday Jul 06, 2009
No peace? A greater Israel, all the land, more ethnic cleansing, and no Palestine? It's really sad to hear this so clearly from Jewish voices in Jerusalem. Some even deny that Palestinians exist. This isn't like "holocaust denial", the holocaust was a tragedy, the Palestinians are people.
47 | Deborah Sunny Southern California, Monday Jul 06, 2009
Christian Aid worker isn't really a Christian Aid worker... unless he represents to Klu Klux Klan or something. Anyways, I digress... change of subjects here... I attended a Tax Revolt party in Califonia yesterday and brough a huge sign in support of Israel. The crowd went wild in support for Israel and cars were honking and giving a thumbs up at my "God Bless USA & Israel " sign. It had the American flag and Israelie flag side-by-side. Israel had a lot of support amongst average Americans. It did my heart much good. Israel we love you! I even ran into a guy from Israel who loved my sign!
48 | Chris, Hoboken, NJ, Monday Jul 06, 2009
to #39, "Anti-semit"
I am sorry to disappoint you, but Internet doesn't make people more intelligent or more informed. Neither does it give to insane people clarity judgment.
Nowadays the word "anti-semit" is merely a high-language for the word "moron", a person not amenable to reasoning. The funniest thing is that antisemits themselves cannot tolerate anyone criticizing them.
49 | Muslim, Monday Jul 06, 2009
Illary, Peru: The verse you quoted applies to the pagans in the Arabian peninsula. Otherwise, non-Muslims have been living among Muslims for 1500 years, and they are not killed as you claim.
It is always sad that people always seek the mostil extremist inerpretation of holy texts in order to tarnish their opponents, their perceived enemies.
As to killing, if you are born again, why do you think of the Old Testament's clear orders to murder men, women and children, to commit genocide, to destroy every living thing. The Old testament is a book of genocide.
50 | Christian aid worker, Monday Jul 06, 2009
Deborah Sunny Southern California, These Christo Nazis are ignorant. They are supporting evil. In 1938-Germany, thousands shouted slogans for the Third Reich. They too were ignorant, too immoral
People who support a murderous state that sends f-16 to rain death on unprotected children shall not be blessed by God, God doesn't bless child killers, land thieves, and liars. Maybe Satan will.
So, I advise you to have a moment of peace with yourself...examine your ways. Don't lose your soul over Israel, a hateful racist state that thrives on murder, theft and mendacity.
51 | Molly, New York, Monday Jul 06, 2009
Chris, Hoboken, unfortunately the JudeoNazis in Tel Aviv and North America have corrupted and cheapened the concept of anti-Semitism.
In the past, antisemites were those who hated Jews for being Jewish.
Now anti-semites are those the Judeo Nazis don't like for criticizing Israeli crimes.
Sad but true.
52 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Monday Jul 06, 2009
#49 Muslim - You read The Religion of Peace website? How about Jihad Watch? MEMRI? Atlas Shrugged? I could name about 20 more sites. You, sir, are a liar, & that's putting it mildly. Islam PERSECUTED non-Muslims living among them for 1400 years. Christians are murdered in the name of Islam in Pakistan, in Iraq, in Egypt, & elsewhere. Buddhists are killed in Thailand. Hindus are persecuted in Bangladesh, in Kashmir, in Pakistan. India has been attacked by MUSLIMS so often it isn't funny. Jews were persecuted in ALL Muslim countries until finally expelled.
53 | Daoud Gabbai, Monday Jul 06, 2009
Terry, the hate-filled Islamophobe:
"Jihad watch and Memri" are hate sites. Everyone knows that.
In fact, the fact that you take your information from these Nazi-like sites says much about you.
What is the difference between these racist hateful sites and the anti-Semitic sites? It tweedledum and tweedledee?
So, my dear, get a life, try to learn some thing academic, some thing that has credibility.
A site that claims that Muslim worship a moon god is not worth mentioning....let alone citing as a source.
But if you insist on being ignorant...then we can do nothing to help you.
54 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Monday Jul 06, 2009
#53 The Phoney Iraqi Jew Daoud Gabbai - What bothers Muslims about the sites I mentioned is that they are TRUE. They present an accurate picture of Islam. That doesn't make them hate-sites. Am I Islamophobic? Absolutely, meaning I strongly dislike the ideology of Islam, a totalitarian political doctrine. Even the ancient Aztec religion had more merit than Islam. But, let's talk about specifics. Tell me what you think of honour killings, murdering apostates, killing gays, stoning for adultery, chopping off heads, amputations for petty crimes, banning music. Shall I go on?
55 | ralph lewis, Monday Jul 06, 2009
any time you mention oral agreements hilary says no and because of that attitude she leaves a stain on ISRAEL/ US relations
56 | David usa, Monday Jul 06, 2009
David USA to Terry 27 and psk 33
Of course the semitic languages are very old - how does that change the fact that Allah and El have the same root and both are just mean "god" - no specific name (unlikeZeus or Jupiter) And yes, I meant, vowels are not written out - that's why the nikudoth were invented and why vowel pronunciatons can differ in Arabic and Hebrew. And yes, Arabs were polytheists until cca 1400 years ago when their god became Allah AKA El, the invisible ONE. Muslims may prohibit others from praying in mosques but mosques don't contain idols which make prayers avodah zarah.
57 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Monday Jul 06, 2009
#56 David USA - I would refer you to, ''Theological Dictionary of the Old Testament'' vol.I G. Johannes Botterweck & Helmer Ringgren, Editors - for a discussion of the term ''EL'' in the various Semitic languages. It is far too complex for me to discuss in this forum but the term actually is specific as head of a pantheon of other dieties, as Zeus for example in the Indo-European tradition. That Jews could pray in a mosque is a rabbinic ruling for Jews forced to convert to Islam & live outwardly as Muslims until they could escape & revert to Judaism.
58 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Monday Jul 06, 2009
#56 David USA - I would add that while the complex origin of our G-d & the various names associated with the eventual belief in one G-d in Judaism developed over a rather long period, this is not the case with Islam where the concept of one G-d was deliberately borrowed (along with much else) from Judaism & most probably Syrian Christian belief.
59 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Monday Jul 06, 2009
To take up Terry's point in 54 Islamic fanatics are involved in at least 50 shooting wars world wide. The fanatics bomb, behead, murder stone rape victims to death and hang homosexuals. Peaceful Rwandans, Bosnians, Afghans, Iraqis, Nigerian and Algirians to name a few die on a daily basis because of extreme Islam. I'm not sure if these people got a chance to be Islamophobic before they were murdered but our Christian Aid Worker tries to lay the world's problems at the doorstep of the Jews. For Islamists the best defensive is a good offence. Unfortunately for them, the Israelis are smart enough to know that.
60 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Monday Jul 06, 2009
#50. I'm sure you don't care, but your moniker is an insult to Christians..You write your hate daily on the freakin' JERUSALEM Post and insult and shout down anyone who doesn't agree with you. Their is noone as fearful as one who cannot accept the statements of others for fear he might be wrong. You are a narrow-minded fool. As Jack Nicholson would say "You can't handle the truth" and you are not even truthful enough to admit who you are while you spit out your hatred.
61 | Illary, Peru, Tuesday Jul 07, 2009
Christian aid worker, why do you call yourself "Christian"? your words are not from a real Christ follower. Real Christians love Israel, not vilify it as you do. To the others that read this, if a man call himself a Christian that not make him one, as if a man call himself a Jew that not make him one. Jesus said: "Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven". Matthew 7:21, and "Ye shall know them by their fruits" Matthew 7:16
62 | Jeff G. - The United States of America, Wednesday Jul 08, 2009
Israel always expects others to keep their committements, yet it keeps none of its own and flouts international laws to boot.
Official US policy is that the settlements are illegal, and that policy was never changed by GW Bush and will not be changed by President Obama, so lets move on to the next steps towards ending the Israeli occupation of the West Bank such as removing its 'settlers' etc.
63 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Thursday Jul 09, 2009
Yo Jeff. Let's wave the red white and blue. Its "Official" the United States of America says the settlements are illegal. Israel stop it. The United States of America doesn't want Iran to have nukes. Ahmadinejad quit the crap and stop spinning those centifugs. Jeff has spoken. North Korea stop testing those missles and producing nuclear weapons. Dear Leader, don't you know its "Official " U.S. policy that you are forbidden to have those things. I think Hilary Clinton should retire and Jeff should become Secretary of State. He could fix the world right after mom gives him his milk and cookies
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