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Rosner's Domain: Victory first, peace later, much later

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A conflict with no foreseeable end?

Some American columnists now better understand why Obama has little chance of acheiving a lasting peace in the Middle East very soon. Here's David Brooks:

In this new game, both sides seek the destruction of the other, but neither has the power to achieve it. They are engaged in a struggle that has no near-term practical end. The extremists' goal is to kill as many Jews as possible and wait for God (or Iran) to kill the rest. Israel's goal is to restrain the brazenness of the extremists until their movement somehow burns itself out or is destroyed from within Arab society. Israel's realistic immediate goal is not to achieve some permanent resolution, but to merely suppress terrorism week by week and month by month. 

And here's the very smart article by Anne Applebaum:

That brief, halcyon period of the Oslo peace process was possible because this is precisely what happened: A combination of Russian emigration into Israel, the end of Soviet support, and general weariness led at least a part of the Palestinian leadership to conclude, after 30 years, that it would never push Israel into the sea. At least a part of the equally weary Israeli leadership came to believe that their occupation policies were doing them more harm than good and that they would gain more from negotiating than from fighting. Further negotiations will make sense only when Hamas' leadership - currently emboldened by a combination of popular indignation and Iranian support - finally arrives at the same conclusion as its secular counterparts, and a new generation of Israelis is again convinced to believe them. 

And for those still wondering whether a Likud government or a Kadima government (or Labor, for those who believe in miracles) will be better for peace: I believe that all three Israeli candidates in this round - namely, Netanyahu, Livni and Barak - would probably sign these two articles without much reservations (but I didn't ask).


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1  |  sinnerconman (Malaysia), Tuesday Jan 06, 2009
Peace, what peace! Peace is an illusion. Hamas has repeatedly affirmed its commitment to the destruction of the state of Israel and no amount of bombs is going to alter that. Neither is any amount of diplomacy. Hamas rejects negotiation as a legitimate form of struggle against the state of Israel. The attack must go on until Hamas is eliminated. Go IDF, go for it, and go for the jugular vein of the Hamas. The Hamas are running scare and now they are sending delegation to Cairo seeking ceasefire. Keep the pressure on.
2  |  Gerald (Atlanta), Tuesday Jan 06, 2009
A victory can only happen if a side surrenders. Right now, there is no one representing the Palestinians to surrender or negotiate. So all it takes is a few thousand people out of an ungoverned population of millions to terrorize Israel. If the Palestinians had a government, a state, then it would be able to wage war, accept its inevitable defeat, and impose terms of surrender on its own population. Israelis want to claim that Abbas could have done so, but it was fiction. Everyone knew that Israel was still ultimately in control, so the Abbas regime had no loyalty from or power over the people
3  |  Esav Benyamin - US, Tuesday Jan 06, 2009
As long as Arab Muslims continue to propagandize for the destruction of Israel in the most antisemitic terms, there will be no peace. While Israel may find it inconvenient to have so many of its own people reaching out to the enemy, at least these open-minded attitudes promote thoughtfulness and an appreciation for intelligent solutions. The enemy only knows how to scream in rage. Read http://www.poetryloverspage.com/poets/kipling/zion.html which was true in Biblical times and in Kipling's time, and is true now.
4  |  Gerald (Atlanta), Tuesday Jan 06, 2009
sinnerconman: Defeat Hamas and another enemy will replace them. Israel wants to see this as an external problem when in truth it is an internal problem. It is not a civil war for the Palestinians are not Israeli citizens (and Israel wants to keep it that way) but it is still very much an internal problem.
5  |  Tom, USA, Tuesday Jan 06, 2009
You just started your own Viet Nam. You will NEVER have victory in this. You have already created enough enemies to insure that this guerrilla/nationalist war will last for centuries. All your neighbors are your version of what we had to face in Cambodia and Laos. You can NOT win this type of war. The ONLY type of war you ever could have won was a quick strike in and out. But that isn't what you have created here. So beat your chests and talk about how many people you are going to kill but eventually it's going to sink in. You just f*cked up mega big time.
6  |  Hasan Shahryar, Tuesday Jan 06, 2009
State of Israel its citizen and Jews practicing Judaism are two different issues. Like wise State of Israel 1948 Map and what stands today are two different issues. We should understand the relationship between the above. There is no super human race or religion. No religion or Race supersedes the others. It should be clearly understood. Respect and equality of rights should be held at all cost. If there is apparent perplexity of thoughts, one should go through the annals of history
7  |  Ross from Canada, Tuesday Jan 06, 2009
There will be no peace until both sides stop indoctrinating their children with god fantasies. How can there be reasonable action until you abondon fantasy and adopt reason? Please send all your children to Canada. We will lovingly care for them while you lunatics fight to the death of who's god promised what to whom. The winners get to keep the dusty shithole you live in.
8  |  Eva, Belgium, Tuesday Jan 06, 2009
"As long as Israel kills more and more Palestinian childeren and don't retire from the Palestinian ground, there will not be even a ceasefire! Israeli are not capable to win the ground war against Hamas!" Those are the words of many Israeli experts! As long as Gaza is occupied and bombed, there will not be peace! If Israeli state really wants peace than they have to stop their attacks on palestinians and retire completely from Palestinian territory and remove the checkpoints! Israel now is losing the ground war, so it's better for her to stop the genocides now and immediately!
9  |  Omoko, Nigeria, Tuesday Jan 06, 2009
Gerald. It's like saying defeat Hitler and another enemy will replace them. This insane logic created this situation in the first place. Destroy Hamas completely and utterly, obliterate with no way for rebirth. You'll worry about other enemies later. Worst come to worst, Israel will have one less enemy to deal with.
10  |  Shahid Syed - Karachi, Pakistan, Tuesday Jan 06, 2009
Wonderful post! The philosophy of Shiah-Muslim-faith including Hamas heavily relies on blood-sacrifice and martyrdom. Muslims, in particular, Shiah-Muslims love "Maa'tam" [beating & wounding oneself through knife & swords and walking on fire to tease oneself, on account of death of someone dear to them]. Just check out the proceedings of Muslims in the Muslim-month of Mo'har'ram. Muslims believe that Islam can never survive without blood-sacrifice & martyrdom. Hamas and other extremist player hold the philosophy that the way of blood-sacrifice and martyrdom should be followed.
11  |  Vladimir Weissman, Wednesday Jan 07, 2009
Some strange logic... Oslo was a great strategic gain by Arafat, who got an excellent military base and the arms, too, while the dreamers like Peres believed Paradise was just around the corner. Should Oslo have not happened, the Arabs would live well, several wars and thousands of lives would have been spared and Peres would enjoy his retirement in peace. But no: they wanted a Utopia and Slick Willy a place in history. Count the dead, the wounded, the traumatized, the pauperized Arabs, the crazied kids yearning for death. That's the fruits of Oslo. Damn Peres, Beilin and Clinton.
12  |  Eric Schwartz, Indianapolis. IN, Wednesday Jan 07, 2009
Jews, outnumbered by 1000 to 1 in the world, and still so much outrage at Israel for defending itself. How absurd. Who are the real bullies in this conflict? Many say Israel has no right to exist. I ask why their country has a right to exist. I say let them live under daily rocket barrages for years on end, and see how they handle it. As long as many want to destroy a people is what those same people can expect for themselves. As long as their "heroes" hide behind innocent woman and children, is as long as innocent woman and children will be killed. Get real!
13  |  Eric Schwartz, Indianapolis. IN, Wednesday Jan 07, 2009
Jews, outnumbered by 1000 to 1 in the world, and still so much outrage at Israel for defending itself. How absurd. Who are the real bullies in this conflict? Many say Israel has no right to exist. I ask why their country has a right to exist. I say let them live under daily rocket barrages for years on end, and see how they handle it. As long as many want to destroy a people is what those same people can expect for themselves. As long as their "heroes" hide behind innocent woman and children, is as long as innocent woman and children will be killed. Get real!
14  |   M. KANNER S.S. MD, Wednesday Jan 07, 2009
why do these so called leaders of the countries,england ,france sweden turkey misrable syria egypt feel the have the right to condem the israeli government to attack a terriost bunch of thugs that for the past 7 or 8 years shooting rockets into a country for the express idea of killing the population of said country. what would their reaction be ? it would be no more than 5 minutes all of them would go on the attack and invade the terriost scum .SO WHY DOESN'T ISRAEL HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO WHAT IT IS NOW DOING.I HOPE AND WISH THAT hamas WILL BE ELIMINATED.
15  |   M. KANNER S.S. MD, Wednesday Jan 07, 2009
why do these so called leaders of the countries,england ,france sweden turkey misrable syria egypt feel the have the right to condem the israeli government to attack a terriost bunch of thugs that for the past 7 or 8 years shooting rockets into a country for the express idea of killing the population of said country. what would their reaction be ? it would be no more than 5 minutes all of them would go on the attack and invade the terriost scum .SO WHY DOESN'T ISRAEL HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO WHAT IT IS NOW DOING.I HOPE AND WISH THAT hamas WILL BE ELIMINATED.
16  |  Richard Gottlieb, Tucson, Wednesday Jan 07, 2009
Seems as though only Palestinian caualties are reported by the media. Very little on the terror that has stalked Southern Israel in the form of Hams rockets. Whatever horrors are visited on the Palestinans of Gaza is directly attributable to Hamas. How dare the European hypocrates criticize Irrael for self defense. I wonder what France's response would be if Italy lobbed rockets into southern France?
17  |  Scott Benlevi, Wednesday Jan 07, 2009
Since Jews are not welcome in the many moslem lands in which they lived before 1948, why should we Jews welcome the so-called Palestinians to destroy the character of a Jewish state? I say expel them all, level their mosques, and then reclaim historic jewish land where these islamic occupiers are squatting. The only 'palestine' is Jordan, and that is under occupation by a foreign half-English 'king"and his arab relatives from iraq. For that matter, why even welcome the mealy mouth christians anymore? Israel for Jews and Jews alone! Let them go to their filthy Vatican an do their paganry.
18  |  Mattis321, New York, Wednesday Jan 07, 2009
To #2 "If Palestinians had a government, a state..." Please explain. I've never heard of an entity that has elected leaders (representing the people, no?), officers, police, land, a common identity in their eyes and in the eyes of the world, organizes attacks against it's neighbor, and yet it is said that they don't have a government or a state. Why, if they can declare war upon their neighbor, can their neighbor not declare war upon them? Legal state or not they will never accept defeat, because their religion requires them to destroy Israel and all "infidels" who will not submit to Islam.
19  |  Hofikoman, Wednesday Jan 07, 2009
Here is my daughter's assessment of the situation: The Israelis have the power to kill all the Palestinians but will not use it, Hamas doesn't have that power, but if it did would not hesitate to kill all Israelis if it did. To which I add when it comes to any and all real genocidal threats, ordinary people do not want to know about such potential horror coming from their fellow human beings, so they will focus on the horrors that hit them immediately and visually, namely that of the Israel Defense Forces trying to thwart the genocide Iran has threatened Israel with. Please IDF, succeed!
20  |  h. e. holmes, new jersey, usa, Wednesday Jan 07, 2009
If WW2 were to be settled today, I would hope as I did as a ten year old that all Jewish survivors be given the 1/2 of Germany of their choice. They would have been living reminders of the holocaust & would have had allies nearby. Stalin got nothing out of E. Germany & why did we care what he wanted? Now I look at that vast Empty Quarter in Saudi Arabia & one side or the other ought to move there but I would suggest the Jews be asked to help turn it green. Real Estate discussions based on thousands of years of history are pointless but Islam does want to push Christians into the sea, too.
21  |  Yeshua M U.S.A., Wednesday Jan 07, 2009
The Koran is being misread by facist terrorists. The Koran forbids mistreatment of Jews and the state is obligated to protect them. At the time of the Ottoman Empire Jews held positions in the government. The Koran says before the end of days the Jews will return to their land. At the end of World War One, Sharif Al Hussein, the leader of the Hashemite family and governor of Mecca said, when he saw the Jews returning to Palestine, ?We are seeing what was foretold in the Koran. When others settled there the land stayed barren, but now the land recognizes its original sons and it is producing.
22  |  Dan, Wednesday Jan 07, 2009
Ben Gurion would have a good laugh at Applebaum's comment. "Popular Indignation and Iranian support"? This is willfully delusional. The Palestinians want their land back, where they once lived, and as Ben Gurion noted, just as he would if he was a Palestinian. Neither side will surrender.
23  |  Dan, Wednesday Jan 07, 2009
Ben Gurion would have a good laugh at Applebaum's comment. "Popular Indignation and Iranian support"? This is willfully delusional. The Palestinians want their land back, where they once lived, and as Ben Gurion noted, just as he would if he was a Palestinian. Neither side will surrender.
24  |  Goldberg, Wednesday Jan 07, 2009
www.presstv.ir - for the real unbaised non-israeli controlled news
25  |  joseph davidovic usa, Wednesday Jan 07, 2009
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26  |  jonathan, boston, MA, Wednesday Jan 07, 2009
The sad truth is that many Westerners - and many Jews - want to believe that Hamas, Hizbollah, etc. are rational, that their rabid statements somehow mask a more sensible, practical enemy, one who can be dealt with across a table. They are wrong. It's perhaps laudable to want to see the good in another but their views on Hamas are delusional. The actual truth is that Hamas wants Palestinians to die because they believe that furthers their cause. And one short note: the only countries benefitting from this war are the oil states. The price of oil is up substantially. They must fear an end.
27  |  John Williams Ogden Utah, Wednesday Jan 07, 2009
You can do what you like in Gaza, you have a Navy, Airforce, Tanks, Heavy Artillery. It's the eqivalent of shooting fish in a Barrel. However I think with the whole world watching you will not be able to redeem yourself with PR. This is one article from around the world. PUTRAJAYA: The world community should boycott the US currency and American-made products to pressure the United States to stop supporting Israel’s attacks on Palestine, said Tun Dr Mahathir Mohamad. He said while governments might be “scared stiff” to support the move, the people could play their part to “save Palestine”. “The people have the capacity to act. For instance, they don’t have to drink Coca Cola and the government can’t force them to drink it. “If we need to buy weapons, we can always buy them from Russia instead of the US.
28  |  Mary Houston, Texas, Wednesday Jan 07, 2009
May the Lord bless Israel, the victory is in you!!!
29  |  Eva, Belgium, Wednesday Jan 07, 2009
Israel creates every day more and more ennemies! For all the Israeli people: your gov will not tell you the truth about their total defeat now in Gaza! You are all in danger! It is not the palestinian who created that danger, but your own government did! They really wants you to believe that everything is under control in Gaza, but ask your soldiers about the hell they're now living in Gaza! Hamas became stronger dan before!Every Israeli soldier now wants to go back at home, they are afraid from Hamas! Olmert and co didn't learn from the war in July 2006 with Hizbullah...
30  |  Eva, Belgium, Wednesday Jan 07, 2009
Israel's war in Gaza is an act of political insanity. It is the product of a deeply disturbed society, able neither to curb its military arrogance nor calm its profound paranoia. The genocide in Gaza has confirmed Israel's hatred towards the Palestinian nationalism. It will kill to prevent it, as sixty years of wars, assassinations and massacres testify.
31  |  Samson, Thursday Jan 08, 2009
Even in the Koran the end of days indicates Jews need to be in Israel. Clearly, Iran and Hamas have outright claimed they don't want Isreal or the jews to exist in this world even though they are going against their own holy Koran! Shame on the democratic nations who took a stand against Isreal. Isrealis are a peaceful nation and how dare you go against the people who simply want peace. If they was a mad man outside your house who shot one bullet at you window would you call one police officer with one bullet in his chamber or would you call a swat team. Protection yes! proportionaliy no!
32  |  Not Bill clinton, Thursday Jan 08, 2009
Eva's insanity should be a telling sign what the Europeans think of you. Let this be a warning. DO NOT TRY TO BE EURO-WANNABEES. Don't feel bad, this euro-whore also hates my tribe and my country. Israel, you settle with the palestinians after you root them out. Do Not listen to europe. Quite frankly I know some day the Euros want us dead also, so also keep sharp with your weapons, train train train, as some of us here in the states do. The EU and the UN wants us disarmed, as they do you, so SMOKE THEM WHEN THE OPPORTUNITY COMES.also before the cease fire UNLEASH UNHOLY HELL ON THE TOWELHEADS
33  |  Ctg ishome-Cartagena , Colombia, Thursday Jan 08, 2009
How rich calling Israel a "distrubed society", didn't Hitler make statements like you. Come to think of it Eva, has the same name as Eva Braun. What a piece of vermin Eurotrash
34  |  Eva, Belgium, Thursday Jan 08, 2009
Ctg this distrubed society is created by the zionists, not by others! Zionism has nothing to do with judaism! Zionism is the Satan in the materialistic form! It has come around a hundred years ago, a non-religious movement, people who are far from the Torah, strange totally, with a whole new concept, a political movement, and they put themselves as representatives of the Jewish people, and they’ve committed a tremendous criminal act! By the way: Hitler commited a big crime against the jews, but the crime of Israeli state is bigger than his! Israeli state is a new Nazi-state!
35  |  Eva, Belgium, Thursday Jan 08, 2009
Not Bill clinton: Europeans don't negociate with brainwashed psychopates like you! As broad-minded and civilized nation, Europe fights against all those who are commiting crimes against humanity and we fight for justice! We are not protecting criminals like your US administration does! Bush, Olmert, Livni, Ehud Barak and all those who killed innocents will be punished for their crimes!
36  |  not bill clinton, Thursday Jan 08, 2009
Come make you move Eva, want to kill me? want to kill some americans? want to kill some more jews?, then screw lets just settle this once and for all. Make you move, send your lousy EU troops into the states, I can hardly wait...
37  |  CTG is Home- Cartagena, Colombia, Thursday Jan 08, 2009
I find it amusing that a european is accusing others of protecting criminals. Hmm Lets see Hitler, stalin, Mussoulini, the serbs, french muslims, nigerian thugs in naples, the mafia in Italy, milosovic, I could go on and on. Not Bill clinton, don't worry and fret about the europeans, you will not have to fight them, the Muslims in europe will conquer them very soon, and Eva will be wearing a burka and scrubbing the floors of some Iman's home. she will not be allowed to use the computer. Don't feel bad NBC, Europeans like Eva also hate my Country Colombia and hate President Uribe
38  |  not bill clinton, Thursday Jan 08, 2009
I just read #34 Eva's statement again. The crime of Israel state is bigger than Hitlers? There you go Israeli's, this is what these monsters think of you. Kill them before they Kill you
39  |  Eva, Belgium, Thursday Jan 08, 2009
The muslims in Europe that you are attacking now are more civilized and more human than you both do! By the way: if the israeli state is so "peacefull", why are they demolishing mosques and churches? Answer: because zionists don't have respect for other religions, not even for judaism! They only love blood !Black jews and the arabs in Israel are discriminated and tortured.For the US gov: hooligans destroy mosques, kills arabs, discriminate black people, indians are exterminated, killing afghans,don't respecting the international resolutions! Clean up your garbage before you criticise Europeans!
40  |  ctgishome-Cartagena, Colombia, Friday Jan 09, 2009
Eva got back to walking the streets of Brussels, maybe some Muslim will pick you up for 20 euros and have his way with you... Oh get back to us when europe has a black president, since you like to lecture americans so much...
41  |  Bibi Hadad, Friday Jan 09, 2009
Please remember their are 12 tribes of israel and they are asian, black, or caucassian and all over the world! I understand you were brought up hating jews. Who willfuly puts children and women shields on rooftops and entrences to save their rocket launchers! . Hamas does not care about other peoples life. They are not normal and if you go on their side you are not civilized either! Eva Hamas was blasting rockets everyday for the past 3 years and isreal did nothing back. Eva you need to read the Koran carefully "It forbids mistreatment of Jews and the state is obligated to protect them"
42  |  Paul Texas and proud American, Friday Jan 09, 2009
We thank Christians for supporting isreal and not Eva's who support twisted terrorist who behead innocent people with a blunt knives, kill innocent women, children, and pregnant women without mercy, strap themselves with bombs, hijack planes and make IUDs. She also likes Hamas and Hezbolah who drag innocent children and women in entrances to houses and rooftops so they can save the rockets that started this all! May G-d bless Israel's supporters. Nations who have turned their back on the Jews and israel have been cursed. Shame on you Eva for being anti-Jew even when your Koran says not to be
43  |  not bill clinton, Friday Jan 09, 2009
You see Eva judging by some of the other comments here, I was correct, you are Eurotrash, and CTG is home is being very very generous stating your worth 20 euros on the street corner. Eva's wrath is really directed at the american people whom support Israel, for you see we are not like the eurowhores who will sell out every time for political expediency. We support our allies, like Israel and this burns your euroswine up doesn't it? I wouldn't give you one euro on the street, even if your begging for it to score a fix.......May your soul eva rot in hell.....along with Hitler's....
44  |  Eva, Belgium, Friday Jan 09, 2009
When I'm criticising Israeli state and Zionism that doesn't mean that I'm hating jews or judaism Zionism has nothing to do with judaism, Jewish Rabbis are agreed with me! I don't hate jews, christians, muslims, atheist or whatever! I'm only against any form of injustice! And what I see now is that Israeli state killed in 14 days more than 700 innocent palestinians and more than 2800 are wounded! Israeli state didn't respect the ceasefire,Gaza became an open-air prison without food, medicines, no electricity. Fishermen, farmers and other civilians were killed by IDF! Now even UNRWA is attacked!
45  |  Eva, Belgium, Friday Jan 09, 2009
You know what your real problem is? You think that every jew is an israeli or a zionist! And all those who are against zionism are anti-semits! But that's a big error! There are also jews who are NOT israeli and NOT zionists and criticise Israeli state and are AGAINST zionism. Do you consider them also as anti-semits and anti-judaist?You are so brainwashed by zionists that you can't even make a difference between judaism and zionism! In Belgium I saw atheists, christians, muslims and jews UNITED WITH EACH OTHER AND RESISTING AGAINST ZIONISM AND ANY FORM OF INJUSTICE IN THE WORLD!
46  |  Joe Falknor V.V. Vietnam Veteran, Saturday Jan 10, 2009
Long live isreal and the true living messiah! Thanks to how you treat even your own people in the world you shall now inherit fear from us! The entire world now hates you guys for the brutal way you destroy innocent lives! The angels in heavan are looking down at you and asking you why you terrorrist are killing innocent people in the name of Allah! Tell those terrorrist -paridise does not = killing innocent people. I don't even care what relegion you are even athiest --- if you kill innocent people the way you kill them you is going to hell! Fight the war on the field like it was meant to
47  |  Sam New York Firefighter, Saturday Jan 10, 2009
Eva Eva Eva. Yes those jews who are agains israel forgot about gas chambers! Jewish lives lost in Europe because you had idiots creating anti-Jewish propaganda like most arab nations. It is time that you see these videos of palestenians hating and blaming hamas for what they STARTED! http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-XEXsbTLfXE and http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=fLIdxF-GHWw and http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=cf9fuYrsLrw and http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=QcRPfl5ekFQ . Israel has the right to protect its people from shrapnel infested rockets. If Zionism means protecting israel Long Live Zionism
48  |  Eva, Belgium, Sunday Jan 11, 2009
47 Sam: Israel is the only state in the world who allows herself to violate 100 UN resolutions,to break ceasfires, to make from Gaza the biggest open-air prison of the world, to commit genocides on thousands of palestinians, to use forbidden weapons and boms (especially cluster boms!), to take thousands of prisoners and massacre them and then VICTIMISE herself!
49  |  NOT BILL CLINTON, Sunday Jan 11, 2009
BUT YOU MUST ADMIT EVA YOU HATE CHRISTIAN AMERICANS, FOR WE DO NOT STAND DOWN AND COWER TO MUSLIMS, MANY OF US WHEN THE TIME IS RIGHT WILL FIGHT THE TOWELHEADS TO THE DEATH. I WOULD RATHER HAVE MY HEAD CUT OFF AND MY THROAT CUT, THAN TO EVER RESPECT MUSLIM LAW, PAY TAXES TO MUSLIMS OR CONVERT. DON'T BULL SHIT US YOU KNOW 95% OF THE WORLDS MUSLIMS WANT JEWS AND AMERICANS DEAD, AND YOU EUROS WANT THE MUSLIMS TO KILL US, THAT I WHY WE FIGHT, THAT IS WHY WHEN THE TIME COMES WE WILL DIE FOR OUR BELIEFS .AMERICANS NEED TO ACT LIKE SPARTANS NOT EUR-O-PEE-ON COWARDS
50  |  NOT BILL CLINTON, Sunday Jan 11, 2009
EVA- I JUST WISH YOU EUR-O-PEE-ONS WOULD HAVE THE COURAGE TO SAY THAT YOU WANT ALL JEWS DEAD AND ALL AMERICANS DEAD. YOUR ACTIONS SPEAK VOLUMES, AND YES I DO WANT TO FIGHT YOU PEOPLE
51  |  ctgishome-Cartagena, colombia, Sunday Jan 11, 2009
another lie from Eva's mouth- the biggest open air prison in the world is the island of Cuba...It really is too bad that the embassy guards in edinbourough did not open fire on the scottish thugs throwing shoes and red paint at american property ( the embassy). They deserved to be fired upon.....
52  |  Dave Texas, Sunday Jan 11, 2009
Eva it has been concluded you are a terrorrist lover! If . I am also concluding you have beeen brainwashed to be Anti-Isreal. If your dumb hamas terrorrist spent their money on food and poverty instead of weapons you would not have this conflict! This proves Hamas does not care about ipeople. All they care about is death. Isreal cares more about innocent palestinians than Hamas does!
53  |  Eva, Belgium, Sunday Jan 11, 2009
52: It seems that you are the defender of Israeli terrorism! Well if fighting for the rights of victims for an american as you means "brainwashed", we the Europeans call that "an act of humanity and heroism". We fought for our freedom,justice and liberty and protect it! But we also fight for protecting the rights of other innocents in the world, at this case the palestinians! you are right"israel cares more for innocent palestinians !"IDF do that very well by killing more than 900 palestinians in 15 days and more than 3000 are wounded! They really deserve a "medal for their genocides"!
54  |  Scott White Minority England, Monday Jan 12, 2009
Hamas has committed 7000 united nations violations! Yes that is 7000 rockets into isreali civilian space for the last 3 years. Isreal did not retaliate for so long. and isrealis had to indure this everyday Enough was enough! So don't tell me about U.N. violations. Eva watch this video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70Oqo_wmuGo . If this has not change you from you dark side to the goodside that means you are yourself a terrorrist lover and you might as well join the hamas in gaza and become a human shield to help their cause.
55  |  Scott - White Minority England, Tuesday Jan 13, 2009
Eva you might as well join Hittler than. So you are saying that it is O.K. to shoot 7000 rockets into isreal for that past three years. Did you even see the video Scott mentioned in #54 I think we are speaking to someone who has ADHD AND down syndrome. WATCH THE VIDEO - DID YOU KNOW THAT ISREAL PHONES THE BUILDING BEFORE IT SHOOTS BOMBS! WATCH THE VIDEO. WATCH THE VIDEO. WATCH THE VIDOEO. AND THEN WHAT HAPPENS THE PALESTIANS 100'S OF THEM CHOOSE TO GO ON THE ROOFTOPS AND WHAT DOES THAT MEAN SUICIDE - THAT IS NOT AT ALL TERRORISM - VIDEO WATCH. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=70Oqo_wmuGo
56  |  ALBERT belgium, Wednesday Apr 08, 2009
EVA I ´LL SEND U A COUPLE OF DOLARS FOR BUYING A SOAP SO U WASH UR DIRTY MOUTH BEFORE SPEAKING.
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Mike Feldman, Canada: Heather. You message is a tough sell on this blog. Converting Israel to Christianity is probably even beyond your reach. If all the Muslims accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior would they make nice with Israel?
Mike Feldman, Canada: Tom. Did you know that Ahmedinejad is acually a Mossad coverft? Did you know that Bibi is a Muslim sympathizer? I'll bet you didn't know that Leiberman sneaks into his Mosque when no one is watching. We had this indiginenous discussio\n before, and your answer was to read the Ottoman registries. I did and found no evidence of any other people having a continuous history in the area other than the Jews. What you call ethnic cleansing would take a couple of thousand years at its current pace. Where did you 'read' about Mossad setting up Hamas?
Monotheist: Heather Davidson, Heather, if you want to help Israel, you are welcomed. But stop talking about Jesus. Jews won't worship a god that dies on a cross...a god who can't even protect himself...a god who is no god..a god who is a false god.
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