|
Thursday Dec 25, 2008
Rosner's Domain: The new darling of the "pressure Israel" campPosted by SHMUEL ROSNER
Comments: 38      Updated Dec. 26!!! Election 2009: Rosner's Poll Trend Scott MacLeod of Time's Mideast blog has made up his mind: Obama should appoint Dan Kurtzer as his Middle East peace envoy. He also says that choosing Dennis Ross will be a mistake. As I wrote here (and I was not the only one) the Ross-Kurtzer guessing game is the new sport of those interested in MD policy. And while many (like my previous Guest, Steve Rosen) want Ross to come back to his old role - some believe fresh thinking is needed, and they see Kurtzer as the one who might provide it. Since the Israeli establishment will definitely take Ross over Kurtzer for many reasons, the former ambassador to Israel (Kurtzer) has also become the darling of all those wanting to see more American "pressure" on Israel. Here's MacLeod: Ross seems to suggest in his recent writings that the U.S. confront and defeat Iran's growing power and ambitions in the Middle East--including Tehran's support for Hamas and Hizballah--before seriously tackling the vexing core issues of the Israeli-Palestinian dispute again. Ross's thinking echoes the failed neo-conservative logic that says reforming the Middle East will bring peace instead of the other way around. That's an approach sure to keep professional peace negotiators like Ross in business for ever--endlessly negotiating rather than actually achieving peace. When it comes to Iran, the U.S. has fought yet failed to extinguish the Islamic revolution in a winner-take-all strategy for 30 years, with the result that Iran has repeatedly won strategic gains all over the Middle East-- at the expense of both Israel and the U.S. Kurtzer, in contrast, has recognized and written about the failure of U.S. policy over the years. He understands that brokering Arab-Israeli peace should be a signal priority, that U.S. peacemaking is not solely to assist allies but is the pursuit of America's own national strategic interests, that peace is a key to achieving other crucial goals like defeating Islamic radicalism, that Israel's strategic advantage doesn't remove the necessity of fulfilling Palestinian needs and that ultimately to be successful the U.S. must engage in demonstrably even-handed diplomacy.
1 | Amnon, Jerusalem, state of Lemmings, Thursday Dec 25, 2008
Ross is marginally better than Kurtzer, but is still an empty suit who leans towards Kurtzer's self-loathing idiocy, so appealing to neo-fascists and those who supported the chimpanzee. He (Ross) was our "teaching assistant" in poly sci class at UCLA on Arms Control. I will never forget him saying that a Soviet ICBM launch that missed Los Angeles by 10 miles would be a failure - considering that the force of a multi-megaton blast would still destroy much of the city at even that distance. What do you make of a hypocrite (Kurtzer) who insists on Empire Chicken while wishing to destroy Israel?
2 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Thursday Dec 25, 2008
Israel has to play hardball. A Mid-East envoy who is not pro-Israel is unacceptable. This applies to both Dennis Ross & Kurtzer. If our politicians had any balls, they would make it known that we will in no way cooperate with an American representative who we disapprove of. We don't have to cooperate in our own demise. Believe me, no US president including Obama would want his representative to be ignored & boycotted by Israeli leaders. You can't be a nice guy.
3 | Tom, USA, Thursday Dec 25, 2008
What pressure on Israel ? ? ? America has progressively been following a failed foreign policy ever since JFK was opposed to Israel getting the atomic bomb. Since that time it has become an outright love fest with absolutely NO regard for what is best regarding American interests but rather how can we slaver over Israel more than the other candidate for office. Exactly why I campaigned for Obama over the mindless zionists, Hillary and McCain. I wish you all a happy and safe holiday regardless of what religious cup you drink from.
4 | RMV Florida, Thursday Dec 25, 2008
Terry please do whatever you can to disengage American from Israel, You obviously think that America must be Israel's puppy dog to do whatever your foolish politicians want, including getting their soldiers killed in place of yours. If you don't want our representative then please boycott and refuse any aid we may offer, I think it will strengthen your country.
5 | Fred, Jerusalem, Thursday Dec 25, 2008
"Resolving" the Arab-Israeli dispute will not dilute Iran's Imperial designs. They long for the restoration of the Persian Empire.
Deleting Iran from the world stage would not end the Arab-Israeli dispute, but it might change the intensity.
6 | shmeelshiya, Thursday Dec 25, 2008
I'm disappointed that the editors published the hate speech and incitement to murder that the cowardly jew hating "Tom" wrote in post number 6.
7 | Yaakov Zelig-Israel, Thursday Dec 25, 2008
Tom, If you think Jew's are not entitled to a land, that G-D gave us, then why do you waste your time reading this news service. Go read your leftist NY Slimes or watch CNN (communist news network). Israel's Prime Ministers are not Prime Ministers, but Governor's of the 51st state. No other nation on this planet grovels before the US, the way Israel does. If the Mexicans did to America, what the Arabs do to Israel, America would invade and conquer. It already did, and increased the size of America, by a third.
8 | Joe, Miami, Thursday Dec 25, 2008
Tom is showing his true colors when confronted. Tom what Aryan Nation cult do you belong to? I love hearing from your kind of emasculated girly Nazis. The truth is that the US does what is in the US best interest so the conspiracy crap deosn't fly. You must hate the fact that we in the US love the fact that we are a democracy. You would have been more t home in the 3rd Reich or Facist Italy.
9 | Len Frankel USA, Thursday Dec 25, 2008
Ross vs. Kurtzer. That is soo funny. If you know anything about Ross's record leading Israel down Arafat's garden path, you know choosing between the two is just picking your poison.
10 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Thursday Dec 25, 2008
RMV/Fla. & Lunatic Fringe Tom - Guess what? YOU are the minority opinion in America. The vast majority of Americans SUPPORT Israel. Kurtzer & Ross represent a small clique of leftist anti-Israel activists & professional peace-creeps. Israel is the only friend the US has in the Middle-East. The Palestinians hate you - they are probably the most anti-American group in the Middle-East.
We have our own national interests & we intend to protect those interests.
11 | Tod Zuckerman, Thursday Dec 25, 2008
Ross and Kurtzer ? For Zionists, they are both lousy. Kurtzer is the typical lefty Jewish "We must save Israel from itself" jackass . If he had his way, in 10 years, there would be no Jewish state . Ross is still the fool - read what Sharansky wrote about him in his book, A Case for Democracy. Since his idiotic advocacy for Arafat as Mideast envoy, Ross has learned nothing, Nevertheless, either of these two court Jews will be able tp pressure Livni into suicidal concessions - that is why Israel's survival rests on Bibi getting elected.
12 | USA, Thursday Dec 25, 2008
Please block Tom USA from your blog - There are enough death wishes and hatred against the Jewish people that such talk doesn't need to accepted on this site. It's because of ugly people like him that we don't have peace in the world. Don't give his trashy mouth a platform.
Lee,USA
13 | bannister USA, Thursday Dec 25, 2008
You Israelis will be begging fo peace on any terms. Within a week of Irans first successful nuclear test explosion.
14 | Roz-USA, Thursday Dec 25, 2008
If the Iranian/Hezbollah/Syrian axis were not there, it would be somewhat easier for negotiations to transpire. But, intellectual debating aside, why would the Pals, espec. Hamas, offer anything to israel with the above 3 behind them? The best strategy for now is to survive; if G-d forbid the Iranians do test a nuk, not targeting Israel, WW111 will have just begun, which changes everything. Bannister, you really do have an ugly streak, whoever you are.
15 | Beth , No. California, Friday Dec 26, 2008
Egyptian compassion for Palestinians will fuel the fire , I have never understood why other Muslim nations do not give more support to these poor people. I have also never understood why Isreal treats the Palestinians they way they do its like they were treated in Germany.
If Iran strikes it would not be surprising, but damaging to the entire world. Why doesn't the ban on nuclear weapons go for all countries? with some balance for all nations?
16 | Amarilys Pons, Friday Dec 26, 2008
Obama likes to chose Jew-hating Jews to do the hatchet jobs on Israel. Both Ross and Kurtzer qualify as Kapos and if this was 1945 and they were Kapos in a prison camp their fate would be the same as the SS guards. Jews have to understand that we have traitors among us, sometimes fools who reach high offices, sometimes judges on the Supreme Court, sometimes naive and wishful journalists and other assorted do-gooders. None of these people have any brains in their heads. They are true examples of the road to hell being paved with good intentions, but I think their intentions are evil and twisted
17 | Maverick US, Friday Dec 26, 2008
Tom hit it on the head. U.S. foreign policy has been failing since WWII. Manifest Destiny is no longer sustainable. It is time that the U.S. reevaluates is relationship to the world. We as Americans need to free ourselves from this failed doctrine inherited from Pres. Jame Polk when he annexed Texas. As for Israeil, the U.S. can change its own cource by tying its financial support for this ME state to the peace process: dismantle of all settlements, negotiate with Hamas and PA on final borders, limited right of return of Palestinian refugees, and Jerusalem/alQuds as shared capitals.
18 | Amnon, the Great AMERICAN Southwest, Friday Dec 26, 2008
Maverick,
To begin with, you're no maverick at all. A maverick would be someone true to his country and its friends, just as the original mavericks were, and you, like the fascist you agree with, are a phoney. If you want isolationism, great. I would too, but I wouldn't surrender or appease an enemy, especially the Islamofascists to get it, and incidentally, little boy, the Palestinians are Islamofascists - they are terrorists and babykillers, no cowboys, no mavericks. But hey, if you do like them so much, please hand over your home to a Comanche or Apache family, and get the hell out, OK?
19 | A TRUE AMERICAN, NOT A P*SSY LIKE TOM OR MANUEL AKA maverick, Friday Dec 26, 2008
Note that Maverick aka Manuel or Abdul is willing to give back Texas to the Mexicans. Since he loves them so much - and the Palestinians too, perhaps he should move there.
America - Love It or Leave It...and we will take back our country in four years from the Chimpanzee and his Fascist Racist friends.
20 | Efraim Carlsen, Friday Dec 26, 2008
Both Ross and Kurtzer are bad for Israel. That said, Obama will probably choose Kurtzer. In any event, Israel should stand up to whomever Obama sends to Tel Aviv (and should send to Jerusalem) to negotiate Israel's surrender to its Arab and Persian foes. It's Maccabee time for Israel!
21 | Ralph-Minnesota USA, Friday Dec 26, 2008
What if US foreign policy supported the position that Iran is the "evil empire" and concentrated on persuading China and Russia to stop supporting the Iranian military power? I don't think that the new President-elect has the determination for supporting anything unless he is supporting a re-election bid. So, there will be no pressure on any country except Isreal to once again make concessions. Likewise, the politicians in Isreal with their political posturing will say anything to the purpose of obtaining power. The common citizens on all sides lose once again.
22 | Ralph Minnesota USA, Friday Dec 26, 2008
If you think Hillary Clinton will have Isreal's best interests at heart, follow the money to her husbands Presidential Library! Obama received many internet contributions from the Middle East and I don't think they came from Isreal. She was put into the Secretary of State position to pressure Isreal for yet more concessions. What an interesting appointment by Obama. Isreal will be taken to the cleaners by one of her supposedly ardent US supporters. Stay on your guard!
23 | mark fremd, Friday Dec 26, 2008
some of your oisted comments are downright bigoted and definitely ignorant and shameful. Israel is the only true democracy adn friend of america and therefore important for american national self-interest. muslims dont seem to want to help themselves economically an socially. they would rather fight an kill and hate others (and themselves). that is why there are still refugee camps after 60 yrs and all that arab oil wealth wasted on weapons and war and isalmo-fascism! we need Bibi back and an extremely strong military resonse t oany and all terrorist attacks. down with islamo-fascism now
24 | Vitaly Citovsky, New York, Friday Dec 26, 2008
to clueless Beth: israelis treat palestinians the way they treat them because most of the jews are cultured and humane people. most other nations would have wiped out terrorist entities such as the palestinian arab government(s). israelis just frisk them at checkpoints.
and to moronic RMV: the "aid" the US gives israel mostly comes back to the US in the form of purchasing american-made weapons which (guess what?) pays salaries of american workers. why don't u ask why billions of dollars go to, for example, egypt which (unlike israel) is blatantly anti-american.
25 | Kevin/Chaim, Chicago, Friday Dec 26, 2008
Kevin/Chaim, Chicago
It is insulting to the US (or would be if said by anyone in office) to say that Israel won't deal with X if he or she is appointed to advise the President. Presuming to have a voice in that choice feeds the American right-wing canard that Israel dictates to the US. As a sovereign country, Israel can respond to US pressure if it is exerted, and Israel's PM can deal directly with Obama. Obama is very intelligent, learns quickly, and no adviser will dictate policy. He wants to hear both sides, including from time to time people we dislike. Dan l'khaf zekhut.
26 | Matthew, Connecticut, USA, Friday Dec 26, 2008
RE: obamas choice for ME deligate. Frankly, given his acceptence of illegal campaign contributions from mulims outside the US, I would not trust anyone he chose. What the US SHOULD do is move our embasy to jerusalem. We should stop giving any money/arms to egypt until they close the smuggler tunnels to gaza. We should stop all funding to the PA until six months of no rockets/mortors/sucide attacks on Israel. Personally I would favor Israel annexing 10 hecteres for each missle launched. scrape it to bedrock and sow salt in the soil. Push the pals into the sea and have them swim to egypt
27 | Observer, Friday Dec 26, 2008
Obama selected anti-Semites to his team, so he will naturally select an anti-Israeli as his ME envoy. Obama himself seems to be an anti-Semite, which is an internatioanal scandal. The US is becoming an anti-Semitic society which is a threat to Israel and to world peace. The fact that anti-Semitism is the guiding ideology of the world's only superpower is a tremendous risk to other nations and the world peace in general.
Today, the US anti-Semitism is to be found in the elite, in the academia, the media, but the population is being manipulated all the time.
28 | elliot, Friday Dec 26, 2008
anti-semitsm is growing and is encouraged by a press too lazy to check facts and too eager to blame america[and its pet israel] first--the arabs in arab countries are worse off than in isral despite their oil and jordan is also 'palestine' - the land is too small for three states and the arabs know it too!
29 | Maverick US, Friday Dec 26, 2008
Once again the majority of respondents differing from their dovish peers hide behind the Aristotlean fallacy of argumentum ad hominem abusive. Through name-calling one makes short shrift of their opponent's views. It is easy to dispense with engaging the other by labeling him or her. And then there is the demogogic exploitation of fear -- encircle the wagons-- mentality: We are embattled and must viciously hit out to survive. All opposition must be neutralized through one's vitriolic and polemical retorts. If the opposition had their way we would all go to hell in a hand basket. etc.
30 | Dan J USA, Friday Dec 26, 2008
Ross or Kurtzer...does it really matter. Does anybody, including the Israeli Govt really know who they are dealing with here...vis a vis The West and Radical Islam. You can negocitae all you want, but the oblective of Islam is not only controlling Jerusalem, but NY , London and Paris. Can you pet a crocdile?
31 | DAVID KAPLAN, Saturday Dec 27, 2008
Tom, USA
I suppose you are considered quite the erudite and literate poster amongst the Aryan Nations set. Your anti-Semtism, total lack of knowledge and belligerency fairly glow from every lieing word you post. Does anyone wonder why the majority will of the American people, as exemplified in countless polls, supportive of Israel, are WRONG and your deisre to destroy the country the only valid and acceptable approach? Is there anything about a fellow democracy that you feel deserves immediate extermination? Would this also, perhaps, extend to the United Staes as well, in that case?
32 | Ed Hausman, New York City, Saturday Dec 27, 2008
1. I am glad to read Tom, RMV, Maverick, et al. so we can all see the absurdity of these antisemites' positions in their own twisted words. 2. Ross or Kurtzer makes no difference, nor does Clinton, as long as Israel's leaders consult their own nation's interests and just smile and wine & dine and yes the US to pieces. 3. There is no peace process since no Arab/Muslim wants peace with Israel, it's all a game. Eventually, I hope to see non-citizen Arabs driven into Jordan or Egypt and the Land of Israel all under the authority of the State of Israel.
33 | Frederick, Belgium, Saturday Dec 27, 2008
Israel, prepare to defend yourselves. With either of these men, Israel will be put at a disadvantage. You must expect to have to 'go it alone'.
34 | val uk, Saturday Dec 27, 2008
no Isreal is not the 51st state we are the uk
Isreal will never have peace with the palastineians why they act nazis and raciest thugs having just watched the boy in the striped pyjamas this breaks my heart that the pepole who was ifecceted by the nazis have now become the new nazis
isreal has created its very own warsaw ghetto called gasa val uk
35 | val uk, Saturday Dec 27, 2008
val uk
isreal is not the 51st state we are the uk
let us hope Obama is the new set of eyes and ears on the isreal and palastine front even an athiest like me is praying for a miracle for the pepole of both nisreal and palastine.
36 | Lowell Blackman, Ramat Ilan, Israel, Saturday Dec 27, 2008
Scott MacLeod has made a career being a toady for the Arabs and a professional Israel-basher. Is there any reason for even quoting him and lending any credibility as an impartial journalist/observer? Let us all remember that it was Scott MacLeod who interviewed Osama Bin Ladin years ago in Sudan when the Islamist arch-murderer already put the West on notice and MacLeod could not bow low enough in his shameless obsequiousness.
37 | John, Alabama, Saturday Dec 27, 2008
Millions sprang in2 Egypt & Jordan--both raising terrorists. No one in CNN investigates. The anti-humanity propaganda leaking out of these countries! Besides the humanist bloggers (Ann Coulter, Michelle Malkin, Mark Styen, etc.) why no one questions the International Muslim Corp.? American academia has descended into a garbage collector. The PC stench is suffocating yet everyone is apathetic. From the Jimmy Carter Foundation 2 the Columbia University, the constant leftist propaganda is workin. Which universities receive $ from Saudis? Why hatred crops up in states infested with Muslims and who profits from the arrangement? Ross/Kurtz R bad choices.
38 | Isadora, Oxford, Sunday Dec 28, 2008
Rosner, what happened to your Jerusalem Post posting "standards"? The same old slander and smut seems to be finding its way into the comments on your blog. If "P*SSY" is okay, can I call a poster with whose views I disagree a PR*CK?
|
 |
Search this blog
First prediction for 2010: Decline in number of Jewish legislators to 41-2
Tags:
Blogroll |
Post your own comment
