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Monday Nov 02, 2009
Rosner's Domain: The Jordan Valley "as a key point of contention"Posted by SHMUEL ROSNER
Comments: 57      Follow Rosner's Domain on Twitter! / Join me on Facebook! Jerusalem? who cares? Apparently, it's the Jordan Valley that's preventing Israeli-Palestinian peace: As the United States tries to restart peace talks between Israel and the Palestinians, the Jordan Valley is emerging as a key point of contention: Palestinians envision it as a core part of a future Palestinian state, and Israeli officials forcefully assert a longstanding claim that control over the area is vital to their security. In the meantime, Laura believes that Secretary Clinton was too friendly toward Netanyahu: "I fear her trip to Israel may be the final nail" in the coffin for the Obama administration's efforts to pursue Israeli-Palestinian peace talks, one Washington Middle East hand said on condition of anonymity Sunday. Clinton "went beyond Obama's talking points in New York City," he said. "She took sides on settlements" and appeared to "'praise' Israel and Bibi." I'm afraid this will be the way for Palestinians to come to terms with recent events - they will blame Clinton in the hope that this can help them gain some with Obama. Take a look: "The Palestinians are accusing U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton of undermining progress toward Mideast peace talks".
1 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Monday Nov 02, 2009
This is like some bizarre theological discussion from the Middle-Ages - how many angels can dance on the head of a pin or some such idiocy. EVERYTHING is a point of contention because the differences are irreconcilable, because the Palestinians do not want any kind of real peace, because Palestinian politics & Arab politics in general are too well served by anti-American & anti-Israel positions, because any compromise is viewed as surrender & weakness, because of the strength of the Islamic agenda which sees this as Jihad against the infidel Jews.
2 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Monday Nov 02, 2009
How many times have we hear the same BS about ''the final nail in the coffin'' for the phoney peace process? Every time Israel defends, even slightly, our interests, the Arabs & their leftist allies start screaming about '' obstacles to peace'' - but they never mean obstacles from the Palestinians, do they? The Palestinians have rewarded Obama's support by sabotaging it. So have all the rest of the Arabs. The usual liberal lament is, ''oh, we're weakening the moderates'' except there are no moderates to weaken. Fatah is not moderate, Fatah is the primary OBSTACLE to peace.
3 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Monday Nov 02, 2009
Now I don't support any negotiations with the Palestinians, I don't support any Palestinian state. I don't believe any peace is possible, it's just wishful thinking. That being the case, I think our goal should be to turn Jordan into Palestine & use various strategies to push Palestinians into Jordan. This is not a majority view in Israel - there is absolutely no consensus for such a policy. It is certainly not a politically correct opinion. But, given circumstances, it is our best option.
4 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Monday Nov 02, 2009
You would think that the poor suffering Palestinians would be eager to end the horrible & oppressive occupation, that they would make any sacrifice or compromise to obtain a state. But, evidently, this is not the case. So, equally evident, is that the occupation is not so bad & an independant state living side by side in peace with Israel is not really their goal. How odd is it to have to beg Palestinians to negotiate? Who ever heard of the victors in a conflict begging the losers to accept negotiations?
5 | Ger, Raanana, Monday Nov 02, 2009
If Clinton is saying things contrary to Obama's position, it means she is preparing to leave the State Department and run for either Governor or Senator from New York. She will need Jewish votes, and her earlier statements about freezing settlements, including Jerusalem, are harmful to her.
6 | Shlomo, Israel, Monday Nov 02, 2009
Have to take into account that the Pals and their supporters (BTSELEM, Peace Now et al) are trying to recoup loses or evident loses. The false issue of the Jordan valley is one subject that hasn't been prominent lately so why not bring it up now? In truth, neither the Israelis nor the Pals have any chance of populating the Jordan valley - it is too hot and agriculture is too difficult to support large numbers of people. The Jordan valley is, undoubtably, a huge anti tank obstacle and that is the reason Israel wants to control the area. Another consensus area for the Israeli public - for now.
7 | Chris USA, Monday Nov 02, 2009
How can Hillary be obstructing the peace process when there hasn't been any progress to speak of? This is just meaningless prattle on the part of the PA trying to get brownie points from the Obama Administration. Should we give them milk and cookies too? Abbas is falling and the peace process is just a mill stone around his neck. He has only one direction to go and that's down into obscurity as he drowns in mediocrity and corruption.
8 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Monday Nov 02, 2009
If you look at this in terms of American politics, this is just another failure of Obama's policies that the Obama team will attempt to cover-over, to spin into the appearance of progress, to pretend they are still engaged. In the media, the onus will be placed on Israel, as usual. In terms of policy, Obama has hit another brick wall (Arab intransigeance). Hilary has been side-lined - her statements are only an attempt to appear relevent. But, Obama cannot afford to see Hilary resign - even the fawning American media couldn't explain away such an evident failure.
9 | Tom, US, Monday Nov 02, 2009
Hillary Clinton has always been a foaming at the mouth zionist. That was exactly why I voted against her in the primaries. So why is it a surprise that she is splitting away from Obama's policy of a more neutral role regarding the ME ? I was scratching my head when Obama appointed her as Secretary of State.
10 | Igor, Germany, Monday Nov 02, 2009
Terry #3: I respectfully disagree. Flooding Jordan with Palestinians will almost certainly bring the Hashemite Kingdom to fall. Now, Jordan is maybe not the best friend Israel has in the world, but it's certainly better than a Hamastan which would take its place. A demilitarized or lightly armed Palestinian state surrounded by distrusting neighbors is the least evil for Israel, Jordan, and even Palesitinians.
11 | Clinton fan,Washington DC, Monday Nov 02, 2009
#9 Tom. It wasn't his head Tom was scratching, it was his ass.Well I guess its the same vile personna.
12 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Monday Nov 02, 2009
#10 Igor, Germany. Personally, I'm not willing to make any sacrifice so the Hashemite usurper from Saudi Arabia can hang on to his throne in the artificially created country of Jordan. The Jordanian population is one of the most anti-Israel in the whole Arab world. The Hashemite regime will be over-thrown anyway & you are correct, it will be another Hamastan. An independant Palestine, while being a failed terrorist state fighting Israel will also aim at destabilizing Jordan as well - and they will succeed. So, as I see it, while we won't have peace, our strategic position will improve.
13 | Sally - U.S.A., Monday Nov 02, 2009
The Obama administration talks out of both sides of its mouth. Just two months ago we heard Obama have his kumbaya moment at having Netanyahu & Abbas "meet" at the UN & 24 hours later Obama said that he doesn't recognize the legitimacy of continued Israeli settlements. He supported one united Jerusalem under Israeli sovereignty & reneged on it 24 hours later. Obama is like the weather, if you don't like it, just wait & it will change. Therefore, Obama will "backtrack" again & blast Israel. It is only the matter of time.
14 | Trumpeldor, Monday Nov 02, 2009
Even late Itzhak Rabin thought Jordan Valley wast to remain under Israeli rule
Why is it to be discussed ???
Whole Judea and Samaria should be retained by Israel whereas autonomy is transiently granted to Tulkarem,Kalkilia,Hebron,Ramallah till we transfer people to eastern Palestine aka Jordan !
15 | Yacov Yosifovitch NYc :Jordanian willbe 55% PALI's in 40 Yrs, Monday Nov 02, 2009
Please "SABRA"s of Yiroel: Always remember; DO-NOT give-in to ANY.EVERY & ALL socalled Jude-abe-Islamic "ABDULLAH(s) [i.e., JORDON, SAUDI, AFGHANISTAN & FAMILY]. Remember & Never Forget: IF Ye keep Holding On ; for 2-Two more GENERATIONS (40 +/- Years) that JORDAN will be "Greater PALISTINE!" And this will cause an Arab to Islamic Civil Wars there & Elswhere. IMPORTANT: Pleas Know that as the Majority [Western SECULAR Modern Advanced World] will use Less & Less & Less "Fossil/PETRO" & the Mid-East Arabs , aka Judeo-abe-Islamics will be poor'r & Poor'r & will themsleves kill each other w/envy!
16 | Igor, Germany, Monday Nov 02, 2009
Terry #12: All Arab states are artificial and Jordan is no exception. You should not make any sacrifices in order to help "the Hashemite usurper" (as if he were more of an usurper than any other Arab head of state). Helping him might be in your own interest. I don't take it for granted that the Hashemite regime will be overthrown anyway. And even if, it might well be in Israel's strategic interest to postpone it, even if it means giving up some territories. I believe the Arab power and influence will dramatically decrease once the oil wells go dry and Israel will be better off.
17 | Yacov Yosifovitch :The END ofthe ProudARABOUS'wealth is near, Monday Nov 02, 2009
In Less than 15 Years a Barrel Of Oil/PETRO/CRUDE will sell for less than $5.00 (U.S.) again! & even though 6 GulfNations or 7 (Yemen?) via the "Gulf Coperation Council" are going to have their Own Currency called the "K-H-A-L-E-E-G-i" by 2010-11; that All The GULF NATIONS, includes OPEC; Will be DROWNING in their G-d Forsaken Petro and their Kids, Posterity will Swimm in & Drink their Curseth,not blessed Black slime! & justly might also inhail Natural-Gas's! BE CAREFULL Israel: The JEALOUS Hijacking Judeo-abe-Islamics R' prepairing to Attack in the 1948 Style again except with TURKEY et al.
18 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Monday Nov 02, 2009
#16 Igor, Germany. Admittedly, Arab rulers, while generally deficient in every area, are very proficient at staying in power. Jordan, however, is almost 70% Palestinian & Abdallah is quite vulnerable. His other option is to become even more hostile to Israel to gain support which essentially means we don't need him. I see no advantage in giving up ANY territory - such territories immediately become bases to attack us. We unfortunately don't have time to wait until oil wells run dry, our problems are more immediate. But, Islamism will severely weaken the Arabs much sooner.
19 | Sally - U.S.A., Monday Nov 02, 2009
According to commentary's contentions, in a BBC interview on Friday, Hillary restated Obama's "continued legitimacy" phrase. I guess the Washington Post & Laura missed it. Well, I guess the weather changed again or perhaps it has to do with the tight election races this Tuesday. Also, according to Reuters, Bloomberg & hot air, the UN special investigator Philip Alson said the US may be breaking international law with its drone attacks on terrorist. Wouldn't it be something if the Nobel Peace Prize winner was brought up on charges of crimes of war & crimes against humanity?
20 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Monday Nov 02, 2009
I would recommend reading an article on blogsite Israpundit, titled ''Why Jews Don't Hate Muslims That Hate Them.'' by Prof. Paul Eidelberg. In the meantime, Hillary has backtracked again, going back to the same Obama Israel-bashing position while speaking to Arab foreign ministers in Marrakech, Morocco (my old home town). Backtracking & ''clarifying'' is becoming a hallmark feature of Obama's amateur-hour team of bunglers. Hillary's lack of competence rivals Obama & she shoots off her mouth almost as often as Biden.
21 | David usa, Monday Nov 02, 2009
Well, Hillary has just hammered the last nail into Obama's peace effort coffin, already studded with "Bibi's" nails. What was she THINKING ? But not much harm done - the settlement Golem has blocked any peace attempts in the past and will continue to do so - since not even the powerful USA is willing to slay him.
22 | Old Bill in Miami, Monday Nov 02, 2009
Is the Jordan River deeper than the Rio Grande? What's keeping these Trans Jordainians from swimming to their own Country. As I understand it Israel was formed from Trans Jordan, not a fictitious Country called Palestine. These Jordainians that ain't trying to kill Jews want into Israel to work. Is there no place to work in Jordan? Also as I understand it, Israel amounts to less than one percent of the total land mass of the Neareast. C'mon Guys you must have someplace to put thes so called Palestinians.
23 | Old Bill in Miami, Monday Nov 02, 2009
Is the Jordan River deeper than the Rio Grande? What's keeping these Trans Jordainians from swimming to their own Country. As I understand it Israel was formed from Trans Jordan, not a fictitious Country called Palestine. These Jordainians that ain't trying to kill Jews want into Israel to work. Is there no place to work in Jordan? Also as I understand it, Israel amounts to less than one percent of the total land mass of the Neareast. C'mon Guys you must have someplace to put thes so called Palestinians.
24 | Sally - U.S.A., Monday Nov 02, 2009
Hey Terry, read Marty Peretz at tnr.com (He does the spine).
25 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Monday Nov 02, 2009
What I find interesting in these discussions, to me a least, is that Bibi who has nothing but time on his side speaks as if there is some urgency in the process, whereas Abbas who is essentially out of time speaks as if he has all the time in the world. Abbas is cow roped by current events, and he cannot, even if he wanted to, make any concessions to move the process forward. To me, what the Obama team says on any given day is irrelevant. The most honest thing they could say is that they will wait until February and then take the measure of the Palestinians' willingness to talk. My guess is their position will be at least as intransigent as it is now.
26 | The other Bob USA, Tuesday Nov 03, 2009
# 21 David, do you rally think the settlements have ANYTHING to do with Araba intrasigence? If so, you're naive in the extreme or very ignorant of the issues & negotiations of the last 20+ yrs.
27 | David J Feiger Oakland Park, Fl USA, Tuesday Nov 03, 2009
After Cairo Abbas and the Arabs thought Obama was going to deliver Israel forced into suicidal conditions. Bibi has been making major concessions that Abbas ignores. Hillery recognized them.
28 | David J Feiger Oakland Park, Fl USA, Tuesday Nov 03, 2009
The Jordan Valley is non negotiable. Nor does 242 call for Israel to withdraw from any territory that is vital to it's peace and security. peace and security.
29 | Daran, UK, Tuesday Nov 03, 2009
Clinton was trying to appear close to the position of Bibi , if people are discussing her after meeting press conference her "identifying" settlement freeze as precondition whilest not saying the refusal to dicuss Jerusalem is also precondition. This demand predates the Obama admin, yet she called it "new". Strange that should she not remember the Annapolis fallout with Olmert following which this demand solidified. The nods and winks of the Bush's NatSecDir vrs Bush State dept. illegitmacy policy got us here today. Clinton I think wants no "clear water" between her and Bibi, good cop bad cop
30 | YM, Tuesday Nov 03, 2009
David 21, the same President Obama who has called on Israel to freeze settlements also called on the Arab countries to offer steps towards normalization and they completely refused, offering nothing. At the same time, Israel was offering compromises. As a result, Obama doesn't see any point is pressing Israel. If the Arabs would offer something in return, Obama would surely be pressing a total settlement freeze.
31 | Michael USA, Tuesday Nov 03, 2009
# 1-4 Terry - Eilat: I quite agree, the arabs should be sent back to "Jordan" I just read an article in JP about Meir Kahane which stated that he posited that the arabs who would leave voluntarily should be paid to leave and the rest should be forced out. This is one of the few things on which I agree with him. I believe that there will never be paece in the ME as long as the arabs hold Gaza & WB. THey have absolutely no desire for anything except to wipe out Israel. Even the "moderates" such as fatah have declared over & over that they want to wipe out Israel & will use armed force to do so.
32 | Bloodyscot Dallas, Texas, Tuesday Nov 03, 2009
The Jordan valley makes up almost 20% of W. Bank, it runs down the whole East side ranging from 5 to 10miles wide zone that is totally Israeli controlled except for Jericho. With Israel settlements controlling most the West of side of the W. Bank, with Ariel in the center of W. Bank there is little hope for any state of Palestine unless they are willing to take only 40% of the land for the new state.
Most in Israel believe removing Muslims only answer and talks help this as long as no deal is reached and building continues. To stop building could force a deal and that is the problem.
33 | Morrocan in Morroco, Tuesday Nov 03, 2009
#20 Terry. Interesting your old home town being Morocco. That makes you a Saphardi Jew calling Israel
home. I hear tell that Ashkinazi consider themselves a cut above you Saphardi and schools and some
institutions ban or frown upon you people. Isn't that a form of apartheid in Israel?
34 | Fred New York, Tuesday Nov 03, 2009
The peace negotiations and Obama's strategy are a bad joke. Obama has no leverage with Hamas and little with Abbas, so he resorts to pressuring Israel over settlements which is at best a side issue. The key issue is the Palestinian refusal to bargain in good faith. Having Israel make all the concessions in exchange for Palestinian promises not to kill is not a negotiating position, it is extortion. Until the Palestinians get real and drop the right of return and accept Israel as the Jewish state, there will be no peace. But that won't happen b/c Abbas doesn't want to be killed.
35 | Tom, US, Tuesday Nov 03, 2009
11 | Clinton fan - Vile personna - Anybody who doesn't sing Israel uber alles and give Roman salutes to the Israeli PM. Queen Hillary was the ragged out B who ordered Janet Reno to end the siege at Waco, Texas. I'm sure that the slut has had no problem at all sleeping regarding the 17 children who were murdered when Delta force moved in from behind the compound. I have a good friend who was there with Delta force !
36 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Tuesday Nov 03, 2009
#33 Marocain au Maroc. Il y avait, mais beaucoup moins aujourd'hui. Ce n'est certainement pas un probleme, il y a beaucoup de marriages mixtes. Il reste, quand meme, une sorte de ''malentendu culturelle'' comme le comportement de certains marocains laisse a desirer, si tu me comprends. Nous avons les memes mauvaises habitudes que nos confreres arabes marocains, meme apres plusieurs generations. Mais la situation des juifs marocains ici en Israel est de loin meilleur que ce que c'etait au Maroc dans les annees '50 et '60. Cést en effet formidable l'amelioration qui s'est produit.
37 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Tuesday Nov 03, 2009
#24 Sally, USA. Indeed, a good article. Reminds me of the expression, ''a conservative is a liberal who got mugged.'' No doubt about it, the Obama team is clueless - but I don't care if they understand us as long as we understand them. LOL
38 | Clinton fan,Washington DC, Tuesday Nov 03, 2009
#35 Tom. You do not dissappoint going out of your way chanting those idiotic mantras. You must have
been thinking of your mother when you called Clinton a slut, figures that you mix them up, after all you
are blessed with all that scrambled crap for a brain and know not if you are coming or going like when you
scratched your ass thinking it was your head (guess theres no real difference) Do yourself a favour, get off the pot. Does your friend feel guilty for his part in the Waco "murder" or does he feel he did his "duty"? Your attack on Hillary reveals the "Vile personna" is Tom.
39 | Tom, US, Tuesday Nov 03, 2009
38 | Clinton fan - I realize that there are a number of morons in this country who wouldn't hesitate to abuse their position in government to kill off as many American's whom they deem to be opposition just the same as Joseph Stalin did in the former USSR but sick F's like Hillary Clinton and George Bush are nothing more than CRAP. Just the same as yourself. TOO F'ing ill to see any wrong in slaughtering off children while chanting the mantra that it was 'for the children'. That is the very reason why Hillary Clinton isn't president and was firmly rejected in the last election.
40 | Sally - U.S.A., Tuesday Nov 03, 2009
Terry, glad you liked it. I took your recommendation & read the Israelpundit. If you get a chance, read some of Peretz's other entries. He cites an article by Michael Walzer called "Responsibility and proportionality in state and non-state wars" which you might like to read. I think many Jewish Americans didn't understand what they were voting for when they voted for Obami; in fact, I think many do not understand the issues today but only buy into the distortions.
41 | lydia, Tuesday Nov 03, 2009
34 The Arabs have given up dancing the same two step forward one step back jewish tango with a bunch of mendacious jews who repeatedly sign peace agreements and before the ink is dry, believe to the chant of the Kol Nidre they'll be exempt from fulfilling hitherto agreed terms and conditions. The Moderates will have one last sip before, in case you haven't noticed, the chalice passes to Iran. Do you think the Iranians are Arabs, and will put up with your Kol Nidre switcheroo circumventing bs that your tricky lot have been forcing on the Arabs for decades? ROR is the least of your problem.
42 | Desert Eagle, Tuesday Nov 03, 2009
Lydia is back with the same old hatred and a new name - maybe her real name this time. The bottom line is that there will be no ethnic cleansing of Jews form Judea and Samaria. There will be no ethnic cleansing of Arabs either. Population translocation is just not an option. If the Arabs continue to attack Israel or Jewish settlers in the territories they will face rapid escalation and war from which they cannot recover. Iran is no more capable of rebuilding after war than Gaza. War is not an option. Face reality. You cannot kill enough Jews to make Israel go away. It's been tried before.
43 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Tuesday Nov 03, 2009
Terry/ J'admire la votre patience et sincerite repondant au muselman au maroc. Il jouait le clivage et conquiert, et je suis sur que je n'aurais pas repondu en tant que poliment.
44 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Tuesday Nov 03, 2009
lydia. Thank you for your inciteful synopsis of events in the Middle East. Now that we've read your post, the need for further thinking has been excised. If I may be so bold as to ask, what do you suggest the Israelis do about the possibility of Iran acquiring nuclear weaponry?
45 | David usa, Tuesday Nov 03, 2009
YM 30 writes; "...At the same time, Israel was offering compromises..." Nice blanket statement without facts. Just exactly WHAT has Israel offered ??? Facts, please. At this moment the bulldozers are bulldozing full speed ! A "temporary" freeze? What about then? After the "temporary freeze" will there be a freeze on the "natural growth ". If not, it's back to square one. Put on your thinking cap , YM !
46 | lydia, Tuesday Nov 03, 2009
42 Reality? you live in dream land "You cannot kill enough Jews to make Israel go away", but think you can kill enough of 2bil Muslims to make them go away? We are all feeling the repercussion of your ethnic cleansing of the Palestinian Arabs. Gaza and old women thrown on the streets to facility you land grab is beamed into our living room daily. "It's been tried before" Are you referring to expulsion from Europe? Europe foisted their problem on the ME and now they too have had enough of your thievery. "War is not an option". What happened to the 'bomb bomb Iran' saber rattling?
47 | lydia, Tuesday Nov 03, 2009
44 For a Mob trying to con the World into 'God's chosen ones' bs, to fool 'all the Muslims all of the time' makes your view of ME events more perceptive than mine? "What do you suggest the Israelis ........ Iran nuclear weaponry?" Perhaps Israel should have thought about it before selling the technology to Iran and SA. Ever the tricky ones, rules don't apply to the 'chosen ones'. Iran is playing 'catchup' in a ME WMDs arms race Israel started and as Rev. Wright would say Karma is bitch and Israels greed is coming back to bite them in the tuchas. Talk Peace and forget the big stick!
48 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Tuesday Nov 03, 2009
#42. If I may be so bold as to respond to your post to Desert Eagle-forget about Europe. More relevant is the million Jews stripped of their property and expelled from Arab countries between 1948 and 1970. Talk about a land grab, the land grabbed by the Arabs from the Jews is 9 times the size of Israel. You keep talking about 2bil Muslims. There are 300 million Arab Muslims. With 7 million Israelis, those are good odds for the Israelis, and I doubt that all the Arabs have a death wish. I think you should be our special emissary to talk "peace" with Iran. Likely, you could succeed where everyne else has failed.
49 | lydia, Wednesday Nov 04, 2009
48. Your lot got turfed out of how many Euro countries? Why is that an Arab problem. 25% of the World population are Muslims. Take out the 1bil in Asia, Malaysia, Indonesia and 500mil in Africa, take out 51mil European Muslims because they will do what, close their eyes?1.5 Muslims corralled in a ghetto, 5/10,000 poorly armed Hamas fighters and 7mil Israelis armed to the teeth? You still got flogged, despite slaughtering 000s of unarmed civilians and caged animals! Do you doubt all jews have a death wish? Let Hamas at some real missiles and let's see. Emissary you need a special one because?
50 | Miner 49r, Wednesday Nov 04, 2009
lydia, Oh, you mean the 2 bil rabble islamists polluting the world with their repulsive "culture" that make dirty every country where they squat their crap and stink the world. These 2b are a joke, they may have the numbers but thats all they have>except of course they have (as someone said) superchickenwoman.
51 | Shamus O'Tool, The Bronx, Wednesday Nov 04, 2009
Fair warning Mike, lydia's 47 blog warns "Talk peace and forget the Big Stick" .It's her joystick she's talking about and you better forget taking it from her,she's ain't never gonna let it go, It "fills in" for Tom.
52 | lydia, Wednesday Nov 04, 2009
50/51 U Feldman? If they had been Muslim pacifists they wouldn't have managed to staunch your Grand expansionism across Muslim land. Is it the Muslims or the jews who got turfed out of more countries than you've ever had hiccups? and is it the Muslims or the Israelis left defending a tiny illegal stolen squat from a rag tag army of resistance fighters, who've already routed you from most of Lebanon etc. How clever is fighting them on two fronts in never ending wars while some 150,000 of our dearest are trapped on the Iranian giant tar baby? Talk peace and spare the caged chickens!
53 | Bloodyscot Dallas, Texas, Wednesday Nov 04, 2009
The population bomb may work quicker. Israeli Muslims make up about 26% of under 25 age group in Israel now, so they all marry Palestinians and stayed in Israel they would become 50% of population in under 20yrs. If the E. Jerusalem Muslims decided to accept Israel citizenship this could happen in under 15yrs.
Another problem is that Jews are not a growing population in the world, in US they are at 1.6% down from 2% 30yrs ago or about 13.5M world wide.
54 | Re-bore technician Pathan halal trained, Wednesday Nov 04, 2009
#55 lydia I totally agree with you and yes Mike spare the chickens Poor tired lydia working overtime to
producing record numbers of chickens which she cages. Read between the lines and understand her plea to "spare" the"caged chickens"She's due for a re-bore of that mighty ass of hers, what with all that egg laying and spouting marathon crap from her ass her rebore job is well overdue. Be charitable and spare her chickens at least to give her overworked ass a rest while she has a re-bored ass job.
55 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Wednesday Nov 04, 2009
#49. True to your desire to always entertain, and defy reason with rant, you answer me regarding the million Jews expelled from Arab countries by referring back to Europe. Brilliant. In anohter post I asked why you had not referred to the lions and camels to-day because you were having trouble meeting your bullshit quota. I apologize, that's before I read #49, so you are on target.As for those rag tags cleverly fighting on two fronts,if Israel cared to, they could go to war on two fronts, I could have a nap, I could wake up and watch the destruction of the rag tags. Problem is the rag tags hide in heavily populated civilian centers.
56 | MELODY USA, Monday Nov 09, 2009
i believe hillary doesnt really go by everything obama says,but she has to do what he says.i dont beleve there will be peace.no one will give in.isarel is the jews and israeli's.here in us we are of different races,we all live and work together.why cannt they in israel.it was called israel before palestian.israel just wants to live in peace,let them.at one time all races were in gaza till hamas took over.when jews came to rebuilt israel,they hired arabs to help them.they lived in peace.then a epgtian comes along says its palestian,so they believe him.if people leave it as israel,they could live
57 | MELODY USA, Monday Nov 09, 2009
in peace.now as for the temple mt.there is proof about the temple showing up everyday.i,know the muslims on it.but its huge why cannt the jews come on there to worship to?its crazy,when g-d comes people will be on there faces and asking for repentness for doing wrong.eyes and ears will know the truth! christian have had enough we are standing up,wrong is wrong,rgt is rgt.i stand for israel,the bible is the truth and it says g-d gave them israel and there nothing mankind can do about.they will be punished by him if they do.jerusalem must never be split up,its g-ds holy city.usa must stand with is
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