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Sunday Jul 05, 2009
Rosner's Domain: The Biden transcript: Israel can attackPosted by SHMUEL ROSNER
Comments: 19      Follow Rosner's Domain on Twitter!!! Here's the relevant part: BIDEN: If the Iranians seek to engage, we will engage. STEPHANOPOULOS: And meanwhile, the clock is ticking... BIDEN: If the Iranians respond to the offer of engagement, we will engage. STEPHANOPOULOS: But the offer is on the table? BIDEN: The offer's on the table. STEPHANOPOULOS: And meanwhile, Prime Minister Netanyahu has made it pretty clear that he agreed with President Obama to give until the end of the year for this whole process of engagement to work. After that, he's prepared to make matters into his own hands. Is that the right approach? BIDEN: Look, Israel can determine for itself -- it's a sovereign nation -- what's in their interest and what they decide to do relative to Iran and anyone else. STEPHANOPOULOS: Whether we agree or not? BIDEN: Whether we agree or not. They're entitled to do that. Any sovereign nation is entitled to do that. But there is no pressure from any nation that's going to alter our behavior as to how to proceed. What we believe is in the national interest of the United States, which we, coincidentally, believe is also in the interest of Israel and the whole world. And so there are separate issues. If the Netanyahu government decides to take a course of action different than the one being pursued now, that is their sovereign right to do that. That is not our choice. STEPHANOPOULOS: But just to be clear here, if the Israelis decide Iran is an existential threat, they have to take out the nuclear program, militarily the United States will not stand in the way? BIDEN: Look, we cannot dictate to another sovereign nation what they can and cannot do when they make a determination, if they make a determination that they're existentially threatened and their survival is threatened by another country. STEPHANOPOULOS: You say we can't dictate, but we can, if we choose to, deny over-flight rights here in Iraq. We can stand in the way of a military strike. BIDEN: I'm not going to speculate, George, on those issues, other than to say Israel has a right to determine what's in its interests, and we have a right and we will determine what's in our interests.
1 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Sunday Jul 05, 2009
Golly. This seems to fly in the face of all the Iran experts who post on these sites. Also my "intel" sources tell me that the Saudis while not publically acknowledging would allow IAF fly overs if an atttack on Iran's nukes was deemed necessary by Israel. Maybe while all you guys have been pronouncing the end of the Zioist regime, those clever Israelis have been working the back channels for their upcoming gift to the region. Tom stay tuned, while I go back to the coloring books you sent me.
2 | andy-london, Sunday Jul 05, 2009
oh my you lot of jew haters are left with egg on your faces, especially so called americans who are either the leftie aclu or muslim screamers.You'll be marching non stop now since biden gave the wink to Israel. You'll be calling up your stop the war [HEROES] THE ones who WOULDN'T march to show their support to the REAL marchers for FREEDOM the iranian reformers.It was the same in 1939 your forefathers rather than fight for freedom from the nazis were SOOOOO scared they called themselves CONSCIENCIOUS OBJECTERS in other words [COWARDS]
3 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Sunday Jul 05, 2009
Andy-Did I tell you about the Russian General who was addresing his junior officers. One asked if he tought there would be a WWW3. The General replied yes. The officer asked with who? The General replied likely Russia vs. China. The young officer said we are only 150 million, and they are 1.5 billion. How can we win? The General said look at Israel, they are only 5 million and they are feared by 250 million hostile neighbors. The young officer replied, "Do we have enough Jews in Russia?
P.S. If the math questions were a little harder, many of your anti-semites would never get posted.
4 | J.M.Jordan, Germany, Monday Jul 06, 2009
Certainly glad Biden said something. So now the dictators w/ something more substantial to mull abt than which infamy's best ./. the unexstinguishable wildfire THEY THEMSELVES - and nobody else - by their NOT God-fearing acts created. Ununderstandable though not everywhere again+again mass demonstrations Iranians+non-Iranians ./. the hangings, the ongoing many thousandfold "confession" (+$20,000?) extortions by 19h/d questioning (incl. on loved ones) of people at the end of their nerves (detainment conditions=up to12/cell, poor light/food, no hygiene): non-Iranians AFRAID? shame on them!
5 | GOLDEN NUGGET Australia, Monday Jul 06, 2009
BIDEN: We are cowards and we will continue to follow our path of cowardice butt kissing Islamist States..double talk..playing the donkey..providing hilarious entainment to the world especially Iran and N.Korea (who by the way have got our measure)...psst ..we really are becoming a gutless eunuch
non force example of Freedom?@#x!??... Democracy?@#x!??....but ...hey .WE HAVE OUR ALLY...
ISRAEL...we may bully and coearse and lie and cheat her.. but WE KNOW she is our ONLY TRUE and
LOYAL FRIEND.... GOLDEN NUGGET's Message: DONT push your luck too its time you EARNED ISRAEL's LOYALTY.....
6 | GOLDEN NUGGET Australia, Monday Jul 06, 2009
BIDEN: We are cowards and we will continue to follow our path of cowardice butt kissing Islamist States..double talk..playing the donkey..providing hilarious entainment to the world especially Iran and N.Korea (who by the way have got our measure)...psst ..we really are becoming a gutless eunuch
non force example of Freedom?@#x!??... Democracy?@#x!??....but ...hey .WE HAVE OUR ALLY...
ISRAEL...we may bully and coearse and lie and cheat her.. but WE KNOW she is our ONLY TRUE and
LOYAL FRIEND.... GOLDEN NUGGET's Message: DONT push your luck too its time you EARNED ISRAEL's LOYALTY.....
7 | Ari, Gush Etzion, Israel, Monday Jul 06, 2009
"Look, we cannot dictate to another sovereign nation what they can and cannot do when they make a determination"
Interesting - so I suppose they won't be preventing Israel from supplying much-needed housing to it's citizens in Judea and Samaria either, seeing as it is within Israel's "sovereign right" to do so?
I smell double-standards. Let's not all kid ourselves into crediting the Americans with more than they deserve. They are all for "Israeli interests," when secretly they know it is within their own interests anyway. It's all self-interest, so please let's stop fawning over them.
8 | Tom, US, Monday Jul 06, 2009
Typical Biden. You could take this to mean just about anything. I think what's most important is what he didn't say. He didn't say that we were going to do it for you. The problem with all this saber rattling is that even if Iran had no intention of developing a nuclear weapon you are just about forcing them to go ahead and develop a nuclear device just to protect themselves from what they quite rightly perceive as being some very mentally unstable people. George Bush made this same mistake when he gave his axis of evil speech. He gave N Korea no other option but to develop nukes.
9 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Monday Jul 06, 2009
Typical Tom. Previously ha hss placed quotation marks around phrases he made up and defended the quotes by stating that's what they were thinking. Now the important thing about Biden's intervriew was what he didn't say. See in Tom's world its what he thinks what you meant to say or what you meant by not saying it. If Iran wants to completely difuse the Israeli threat of attack, all it has to do is allow verification that its not developing nukes. You want me to believe that North Korea's became a rojgue state because they did'nt like a speech 7 years ago? Great intel.
10 | Tom, US, Monday Jul 06, 2009
Mike, take a look at the time table as to when N Korea reactivated their nuke program. It was right after Bush gave that speech. Bush did more damage to the US simply out of ignorance than any other president in the past 50 years. It's going to take decades to undo the damage that the moron did in such a short period of time. Kim Jung Il definitely has a screw loose. So it didn't take much to rattle his cage. As soon as Bush gave that speech I knew right away what was going to happen. You aren't giving Iran an option. They are damned if they do and damned if they don't.
11 | andy-london, Monday Jul 06, 2009
#8 I'll bet anything your living in a capitalist country enjoying all the benifits that comes from living in a democracy and never EVER had to fight for your way of life there.OH no no that's tooo scary better to join the {wait for it ] brave [snigger ] stop the war brigade.Israel's soldiers are looked on in EVERY single democracy as the BRAVEST soldiers in the world and when the cowards like you are marching [OH SO BRAVELY ] against them you know their too disiplined and decent to shoot you down, you leave that to hamas who use kids as human sheilds for propaganda.
12 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Monday Jul 06, 2009
Tom. Good post. Honest. Respect. Bush's foreign policy was full of errors. He made many enemies for the U.S. Now we have to deal with the current realities. Those who favor the desruction of Israel or would at least like to see it get its ass kicked were not caused by Bush, Simply many posters here simply don't want Israel to be at peace and therefore reject as unreasonalble any offer they would make to achieve a 2 state solution. In the matter of Iran, Israel is only the point country for the U.S. and neighboring Arab countries. None of them want Iran with nukes. Both countries seen short on options
13 | andy-london, Monday Jul 06, 2009
What's wrong with telling the truth?Bush said it as it was.You'd never have seen ANY rockets being fired by north korea if he'd been in power.When reagan was in power iran immediately set the american hostages free as they KNEW HE meant buisness unlike that wimp carter who they had NO respect for.It's the same with this administration, obama hussein's credability is being diminished by his so obvious bowing and scraping to the muslim nations to the detriment of Israel,but biden's words have given the green light to them to attack iran if they choose to.Hopefully he means it.
14 | Tom, US, Tuesday Jul 07, 2009
13 | andy-london - Yes and you would NEVER see the American economy in the black as Bush and Cheney continued to siphon money off the American treasury and in to their favorite charities.
15 | Tom, US, Tuesday Jul 07, 2009
13 | andy-london - George Bush is a complete idiot. A coward who hides behind the blood and sacrifice of others. When it was his turn to serve daddy got him a position in the silver spoon brigade and even then Bush was AWOL for over 18 months which is desertion and in time of war (Viet Nam) punishable by a firing squad. Biden is a typical political hack. His words mean absolutely nothing to the trained ear. If Bush wasn't such a retarded dyslectic piece of excrement there would be no missiles being fired from N Korea.
16 | Mike Feldman, enlightened Canadian, Thursday Jul 09, 2009
Tom/ - I gather you didn't vote for George W. Bush. But let me tell you something funny. He scored higher on I.Q. tests for college entrance exams than John Kerry. So I think its only fair that from now on you refer to hijm as a smart dyslectic piece of excrement.
17 | Mike Feldman, enlightened Canadian, Thursday Jul 09, 2009
Tom/ - I gather you didn't vote for George W. Bush. But let me tell you something funny. He scored higher on I.Q. tests for college entrance exams than John Kerry. So I think its only fair that from now on you refer to hijm as a smart dyslectic piece of excrement.
18 | andy-london, Thursday Jul 09, 2009
#15" gotcha "Oh yeah
19 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Saturday Jul 11, 2009
Tom. One other thing. You mentioned in your post that George Bush was AWOL for over 18 months which is desertion in time of war (Viet Nam) punishable by a firing aquad. Being AWOL refers to a soldier who leaves his unit during combat. George W. Bush flew in the Texas Nstional Guard and the Alabama National Guard. While some may have questioned his favorable treatment, those questions usually relate to his becoming a pilot. Bush was never asked to fly missions in Viet Nam or was he called for active duty, so it was not possible for him to be AWOL. I am not aware of any National Gaurdsman ever being AWOL
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