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Thursday Jul 16, 2009
Rosner's Domain: The administration put some pressure on ArabsPosted by SHMUEL ROSNER
Comments: 57      Follow Rosner's Domain on Twitter!!! Complaining can sometimes help. Here's one case: Jewish leaders have complained to President Obama about possible "imbalance in pressures placed on Israel as opposed to on the Palestinians and Arab states". Secretary Clinton, in her speech yesterday, was showing her ability to quickly adapt: And we know that progress toward peace cannot be the responsibility of the United States - or Israel - alone. Ending the conflict requires action on all sides. The Palestinians have the responsibility to improve and extend the positive actions already taken on security; to act forcefully against incitement; and to refrain from any action that would make meaningful negotiations less likely. And Arab states have a responsibility to support the Palestinian Authority with words and deeds, to take steps to improve relations with Israel, and to prepare their publics to embrace peace and accept Israels place in the region. The Saudi peace proposal, supported by more than twenty nations, was a positive step. But we believe that more is needed. So we are asking those who embrace the proposal to take meaningful steps now. Anwar Sadat and King Hussein crossed important thresholds, and their boldness and vision mobilized peace constituencies in Israel and paved the way for lasting agreements. By providing support to the Palestinians and offering an opening, however modest, to the Israelis, the Arab states could have the same impact. So I say to all sides: Sending messages of peace is not enough. You must also act against the cultures of hate, intolerance and disrespect that perpetuate conflict.
1 | Mike Morris. UK, Thursday Jul 16, 2009
Words. Just words.
2 | Ger, Raanana, Thursday Jul 16, 2009
She sees the direction the Obama administration is heading for, and she's getting ready to leave the ship. So she'll probably need those Jewish votes again.
3 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Thursday Jul 16, 2009
This is just more nareshkeit - the US is not putting ANY pressure on the Arabs & the Arabs, for their part, will do absolutely nothing, as always. And anyway, the goal of all this diplomacy is a scam, the selling of false hope for ''peace'' which we will not get with or without a Palestinian State. A Palestinian state will only be another base from which to attack us. All evidence supports this, no evidence says the contrary. Wishful thinking is not exactly a solid foundation upon which to base a foreign policy. Any agreement with the Arabs is worth as much as used toilet paper.
4 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Thursday Jul 16, 2009
Quoting Clinton, ''You must also act against the cultures of hate, intolerance, & disrespect that perpetuate the conflict.'' Was this a call to give up Islam? Because that is exactly the culture of hate & intolerance that is at the heart of this conflict. The very existence of a non-Muslim sovereign state on what they consider Islamic land is the problem in a nutshell. Islam has been destroying infidel religions, cultures, & ethnic groups from it's inception. Islam, as the ideological vehicule of Arab imperialism, has tried to Arabize the entire Muslim world.
5 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Thursday Jul 16, 2009
At the time of the Muslim conquests, most of the region was Christian. Iran was Zoroastrian. The region was not Arab. Egypt was Coptic, all of present day Turkey was Byzantium (Eastern Orthodox) Syria was a major centre of Christianity, North Africa was Berber & Christian. Israel still had a substantial Jewish population. Did these areas become Islamic over-night? Obviously not. It took hundreds of years of persecution & oppression to grind other religions into minority status. Up until the 1400's, Egypt was still 50% Coptic Christian.
6 | Carl Israel, Thursday Jul 16, 2009
You want to pressure the Palestinian leadership? Cut off the money that they steal and use to build their mansions and pad their swiss bank accounts.
7 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Thursday Jul 16, 2009
Fast forward to more recent times. Jews were expelled from all the Arab countries. Today, Christians are being ethnically cleansed from the entire Muslim world. Islam is completing it's task of homogenizing the region, eliminating any non-Muslim minority. The exception to this is Israel, a non-Muslim minority has taken back sovereignty in it's ancient homeland for the first time since the Spanish Reconquista. This is what the conflict is about. It is not about a Palestinian state. It is about eliminating a non-Muslim state.
8 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Thursday Jul 16, 2009
This is why all attempts at peace will fail. Policies based on false premises cannot succeed. How many peace overtures have the Arabs rejected? They rejected partition in 1948. They attacked us again in 1967. And again in 1973. Oslo was a major fiasco, it only led to terrorism on a larger scale. Every other negotiation was rejected, no matter how many concessions were on offer. Today is no different. And tomorrow will be no different. Why can't Abbas recognize us as the State of the Jewish people? Why do they insist on the return of phoney refugees? The answer is clear.
9 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Thursday Jul 16, 2009
Where are the Palestinian equivalents of Peace Now & Haaretz? Where are the Arab intellectuals, artists, journalists, that call for meaningful concessions to Israel to achieve peace? Where are the religious leaders calling for tolerance & respect for all religions? Where are the demonstrations against terrorism & violence? Where are the Arab historians who write about the Jewish presence in the region since ancient times? Where are all these advocates of peaceful coexistence on the Palestinian side? They are conspicuous by their absense.
10 | GOLDEN NUGGET Australia, Thursday Jul 16, 2009
"The Administraion put pressure on Arabs"....ABSOLUTELY true...ever since the administration came to office there has been DAILY evidence of " PRESSURE" marks on ARAB ASSES....the most notable
and identifiable being the HUSSIEN O "Full Fat Lip" pressure marks--BIDEN "Thin Lip" pressure marks
--HILARY "Lipstick Cup Cake Lip" pressure marks. The Arabs continue to have clean asses thanks to
the administrations ass kissing and licking !!
11 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Thursday Jul 16, 2009
Anyone remember the old song, "What kind of Fool am I " ? It should be our national anthem in place of "Hatikvah" . How do you say ''false hope'' in Hebrew? My dictionary gives several words, all of them appropriate. There is ''counterfeit'' ''deceitful'' ''erroneous'' & ''ersatz'' - and all of them describe the belief in any ''peace process''. Obama, Clinton & other leaders don't give a damn about consequences, they don't care what a Palestinian state will be, they don't care if it even functions. They don't even care if it becomes a Hamas terrorist state. The key word is appeasement.
12 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Thursday Jul 16, 2009
Terry. There is no silent majority of moderate Muslims, peaceful Muslims, respectful Muslims or intellectual Muslims, They have been hijacked by the radical Islamists who are essentailly their voice and drive their agenda. I'm not telling you anything you didn't know, just reiterating a point you've already made.
13 | daat y, Thursday Jul 16, 2009
All talk and NO specifics.This is SOME?
Golden Nugget you are GOLDEN!
14 | Steven J, Thursday Jul 16, 2009
Terry, you need to chill. Stop reading history books written by Avigdor Lieberman. Look up Indonesia, Malaysia, Bangladesh(female priminister:150 million people) large diverse democratic developing countries. Have seen demonstrations in Iran in even under a dictator? Nice to see you generalise 2 billion people. Why don't you write a hate book? You are stereotyping caricaturing. You know the Neo-Nazis do the same thing. The world will never believe in your hate and they are not. According to you 2 billion people are illiterate ignorant racists al qaeda people. Well that is you ignorant view.
15 | Aryeh, Beit Shemesh, Thursday Jul 16, 2009
"Sending messages of peace is not enough. You must also act " Israel has taken some very real actions on the ground in the west bank. Where are the actions of the Arabs and just as important where are the actions of Mrs. Clinton when it comes to moving the Arab states and the Palestinians, so far this is just words. Ball still is in her court.
16 | Ivory Tower, Thursday Jul 16, 2009
Clinton drops a disturbing moral equivalence: "So I say to all sides: Sending messages of peace is not enough. You must also act against the cultures of hate, intolerance and disrespect that perpetuate conflict." Culture of hate and intolerance? Such hate (sometimes going as far as incitement to genocide) against Israel is systematic among the Arab regimes and their populace.
And Clinton's use of the word "disrespect" is another way the administration is pandering to the Arab-Muslim world. For many Muslims, "respect" and "justice" entails the dismantling of Israel.
17 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Thursday Jul 16, 2009
#12 Mike Feldman. As Geert Wilders has said, there may be moderate Muslims but there is no moderate Islam. He was completely accurate. Mainstream Islam is extreme. Those who some call ''radical'' are actually just practicing normative Islam. And we are not talking about ''a small group of extremists'' either. We are talking about a large minority of Muslims. And, a large majority are sympathetic in various degrees to the world-view of the ''true-believers''. This is a problem that world leaders, journalists, academics, & politicians don't want to face.
18 | abdi, Thursday Jul 16, 2009
israel must accept peace in order to survive in the middle east and give the land they take illigal. on the other hand without islam jewish people would not have survived in the middle east because islam was protecting jewish minorities so you should be grateful for this noble religion that does not do injustice to minority. islam did not put gas chambers on jewish people but they protected and allowed property rights and to be part of the societies. read history and learn the facts.
19 | KGM, Thursday Jul 16, 2009
Terry #4, the culture of hate and intollerance is rooted among Jews too. We all know fully well that among your rabbis, landlords, lectures, college students, IDF soldiers, bus drivers, football fans, etc, there are despicable, bigoted racists who slur the Arabs and other 'inferior races', incl. those you consider not jewish enough. Only recently, a hateful rabbi gave a telmudic 'fatwa' that your soldiers "should kill Arabs men, women and childreen" during war. A racist and hateful senior official of your racists-dominated govt also suggested that Israeli Arabs should be segregated!
20 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Thursday Jul 16, 2009
#14 Steven J. You give some really poor examples. Shall we start with the ethnic cleansing of Hindus in Bangladesh? Only somewhere around 20 million. Christians in Bangladesh are also persecuted. Malaysia routinely discriminates against the Chinese minority as well as the Hindus. Several regions of Malaysia have instituted Sharía law, not exactly the most progressive, liberal system. Indonesia has had numerous religious conflicts where Christians have been massacred, not to mention the rape of East Timor. You need to read some history books.
21 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Thursday Jul 16, 2009
#19 KGM - That's why 1.5 million Arabs live in Israel. And how many Jews live in Jordan? In Saudi Arabia? In any Arab country? I come from an Arab country & watched as my community disappeared, approx. 250,000 Jews left between 1948 & 1975. Why do you think that was? Of course it was much worse in other Arab countries, for example Iraq, Egypt, Syria, or Yemen. Algeria was pretty awful too but not as horrendous as Libya. While many of us do not care much for the Arabs, they walk around freely in Israel, they are not abused nor insulted, on the contrary, they abuse US with no consequences.
22 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Thursday Jul 16, 2009
KGM. If you want to disagree with a felow blogger try to be a little more credible. Of course, among every group there are individuals who dislike, distrust members of other groupsl The "dispicable bigoted racists" you refer to: 1) problably have a damn good reason for their individual prejudice, 2) do not make a call to others of their group to eradicate those they dislike. Then you quote (maybe) an un-named rabbi and senior official for suggesting segretation. Where's the equivalence to a President calling for the desruction of Israel? You used the term "inferior races" Get over your inferiority complex.
23 | Commander, Toronto Canada, Thursday Jul 16, 2009
I wouldn't say that there is peace between Israel & Egypt & Israel & Jordan. There is an absence of military warfare. If there would be peace, the Egyptians & the Jordanians would help to support Israel in the UN & other organizations. Their populace would be visiting in record amounts. Their tolerance of terrorists & their organizations in Egypt, as well as the Arab Street demonstrations, every time Israelis or Americans are murdered shows that their peoples are not ready for Peace in they way that we define the word. Incitement, indoctrination, and collusion against Israel are the norm.
24 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Thursday Jul 16, 2009
Abdi. Whatever your selling, I'm not buying. Thanks for not gassing my relatives. I guess the technology was too advanced.
25 | Hofikoman, Thursday Jul 16, 2009
Terry undoubtedly has heard of Nonie Darwish. Once when she appeared on television with her make peace with Israel message throughout the Arab world roughly 1/3rd of the call ins were supportive. Terry is right that the majority of Muslims are opposed to peace, but certainly not all of them. It is of the essence of effective politics to work the divisions in one's adversaries to one's own advantage. The entire edifice of Terry's argument ignores what is going on before our very eyes: operational cooperation between Israel and certain Muslims/Arabs to oppose the common threat of the Iranregime
26 | Hofikoman, Thursday Jul 16, 2009
Obviously how one is to properly comprehend "Islam" is a topic beyond talkbacks. Although I share Terry's basically negative assessment of Islam, I think it imperative to be balanced in the assessment. It is clear that tactical cooperation with the Jewish state is acceptable. So was an agreement for "no war" between Sadat & Israel which never recognized the legitimacy of Israel in a document. And then there are the Hashemites who accepted working with Zionists from WW I to the present. For Sunni Ulema, political leaders are permitted to side with Jews against Shia and vice versa as a tactic.
27 | Mohamed, Thursday Jul 16, 2009
I think to absurd and hypocritical to ask Arabs to do more for peace. There is no doubt that the ball now is in the Israelis' field. Almost 2000 people killed in Gaza by Israeli military machine and now lady Clinton shows up to lecture Arabs on tolerance??? I think she must be stupid to think that we'll take it and she is just equivocal and evasive as the U.S. and Isreal has always been.
28 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Thursday Jul 16, 2009
Commander. Your observations have merit, but few countries have the peace you're referring to. Maybe Canada and the U.S. (until national U.S. interests take over) Many civilized counties are "civil competitors". I wouldn't for example count on Russia and China. We may be at "Peace" with them, but their interests routinely interfere with our interests. Most recently right after Obama reset the clock with Russia, Medvedec announced he'd point nuclear warheads at Poland, if the U.S. deployed a missle shield against Iran. I know you know there are many more examples. In the Middle East, Peace doesn't mean they like you.
29 | Morton Friedman Lanham, MD, Thursday Jul 16, 2009
Terry is good. To add to him. The Washington Post once sponsored a forum with Islamic moderates. They doctored one statement, purporting that apostacy was acceptable. It was immediately contradicted, by that same Islamic cleric, saying the penalty for apostacy is death. Yes, there are islamic modrates in many countries, but moderation ceases when the Islamic population exceeds 10 per cent of the population. When Mubarrak comes to Eilat for snorkeling, that will be a true sign of peace.
30 | Desert Eagle, Tuscon, Thursday Jul 16, 2009
Demand immediate Gulf state recognition of Israel or threaten withdrawal of American military protection for the Saudi monarchy and the gulf states. That's what Hilary could do.
31 | muslim, Thursday Jul 16, 2009
"Offering an opening,however MODEST,to the Israelis,the Arab states could have the same IMPACT."....The Americans know how to put pressure on Arabs!!!!....."give nothing and you will have a lot"
32 | Steven J., Thursday Jul 16, 2009
Terry said 'Any agreement with the Arabs is worth as much as used toilet paper.' hahaha. Egypt and Jordan? Your dribble incoherent factless commentary shows bigotry rather than grasp of cold hard geopolitics. You talk like terrorist in their video. Just hot air. The reality is seen properly when the mirror is clean. Loyalty tests in Israel? Barriers? Cutting off electicity and water to minorities? I have a chinese malaysian friend and visited malaysia so don't talk rubbish. Bangladesh have hindu cabinet ministers. Its courts arguably are fairer and you can read the state dept reports.
33 | David W. Lincoln, Canada, Friday Jul 17, 2009
Talk is cheap. Deeds are more valuable. As long as the current occupant of the Oval Office does not want to get that the depth of the animosity of Arabs towards Jews matches the coldest periods of the Cold War (especially when the coldness was attributable to the Kremlin), he will continue to repeat the same old mistakes.
34 | GOLDEN NUGGET Ausralia, Friday Jul 17, 2009
#13 datt y..oh..I see.. you mean to say "datt y" means "thats why" .So that means "that's why" you are a MORON with a lamebrain who cannot articulate a cohesive sentence. You want SPECIFICS...let me spoon feed you (careful do wear a bib ..morons like you should wear a bib because they dribble).Here's SPECIFICS..HussienO's lips are SPECIFICALLY thick...Biden's lips are SPECIFICALLY thin... Hilary's lips are SPECIFICALLY lipstick Cup Cake. The ONLY "PRESSURE" on Arabs is SPECIFICALLY the pressure of lips contacting Arab asses SPECIFICALLY the only effect is clean Arab asses...GET IT STUPID ??
35 | GOLDEN NUGGET Australia, Friday Jul 17, 2009
#18 ABDI..dont be too quick to boast your "noble" religion..Is this the "noble" religion that is spewed from the ranting and raving mouths of your rabid mullas articulating the written Agenda of Islam for
(1)Murder of all Jews just because they are Jews (1) Converting all Infidels into Islam and murdering
all who resist. Instead of Sanitising and Whitewashing by giving pathetic and selective instances of
Islams "noble" deeds...GET REAL and GET HONEST and show us how"noble" YOU are:- Are you right now prepared to REPUDIATE and CONDEMN ISLAM's "noble" Agendas (1)&(2) as referred to above....
36 | GOLDEN NUGGET Australia, Friday Jul 17, 2009
#18 ABDI..dont be too quick to boast your "noble" religion..Is this the "noble" religion that is spewed from the ranting and raving mouths of your rabid mullas articulating the written Agenda of Islam for
(1)Murder of all Jews just because they are Jews (1) Converting all Infidels into Islam and murdering
all who resist. Instead of Sanitising and Whitewashing by giving pathetic and selective instances of
Islams "noble" deeds...GET REAL and GET HONEST and show us how"noble" YOU are:- Are you right now prepared to REPUDIATE and CONDEMN ISLAM's "noble" Agendas (1)&(2) as referred to above....
37 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Friday Jul 17, 2009
#25/26 Hofikomen - I did not say that operational & tactical cooperation with Arab countries was impossible or not desirable. These regimes have interests & concerns & we have interests & concerns. Sometimes they coincide & cooperation is possible. Nonetheless, these remain hostile states & whatever limited cooperation does not make them allies or friends. In contrast to the regimes, the populations of Egypt & Jordan are more anti-Israel than other Arab states. I did not mean to imply that there were NO Arab moderates but they are few & without influence.
38 | moron galut, Friday Jul 17, 2009
no real pressure has ever been put on arabs except by idf--that is the biggest flaw in the logic of even-handedness and linkage--arabs 'just say no'even to tea at the white house
39 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Friday Jul 17, 2009
#25/26 - Hofikomen. You have to be very careful in attributing moderation to Arabs. Many who appear to be moderate have less than moderate views when examined closely. Even the meaning of words is not to be assumed. That being said, luckily many Muslims are not religious or the problem would be much bigger. Everyone in a society cannot be totally brainwashed, some people are very normal DESPITE Islamic teaching. I would also remind you that if a regime needs hostility to Israel & a large minority supports those opinions, treaties are worth very little, temporary at best.
40 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Friday Jul 17, 2009
#32 Steven J. By chance, there is an long article on the ethnic cleansing of Hindus in Bangladesh at Islam.watch.org & I suggest you read it. The treaties with Egypt & Jordan are at best a truce, the absence of open warfare. This does not exclude cooperation on certain levels but neither does it mean we have become allies. There is no real peace between Egypt, Jordan, & Israel. And time will tell when both those regimes change, Egypt after Mubarak may be even more hostille than at present.
The rest of your post is just the usual BS accusations & slanders against Israel.
41 | GOLDEN NUGGET Australia, Friday Jul 17, 2009
#18 ABDI....BREAKING NEWS !!....Your "noble" religion 's Islamist terrorists have this day bombed the Marriott and Ritz Carlton Hotels in INDONESIA. Can we expect you to CONDEMN this 'NOBLE" act
with your response to my post # 35/36??......correction to post ..the second item (1) should read (2)
42 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Friday Jul 17, 2009
#32 Steven J. Would you be so kind as to ask your Chinese-Malysian friend how the system of ''Bumiputra'' works? I've been to Malaysia & the only reason it's even vaguely prosperous is because of the large Chinese & Indian population. And those Chinese & Indians I spoke with were very bitter about how they were discriminated against, exploited, by Muslims. Many told me they were considering moving to Australia or Singapore. As these groups leave & Malysia becomes more & more ''Islamic'' you can bet economic performance will sink.
43 | Mike feldman, Canada, Friday Jul 17, 2009
To all those debating the positive and negative possiblilities for peace between Israel and its Arab neighbours.: just read #27. I believe Mohamed represents the typical moderate Arabl street. Note how the number of casualties in Gaza grows every week. Also note that Mohamed views as the need for peace as an Israeli problems. Turning a position of weakness into a position of strength is a great feat if you can do it, but its a game ender in this situation.
44 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Friday Jul 17, 2009
Terry. It was quite audacious of you to challenge Steven J's credentials as an expert. After all, he has a friend that visited Malaysia. I often eat Chinese food, so if Roener offers a blog on China, I want to be first to post.
45 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Friday Jul 17, 2009
#43 Mike Feldman. Actually, we don't need ''peace'' at all. Objectively, the Palestinians should be a low priority. That it is not is the result of foreign meddling & the use of this issue in Israeli politics. We know very well how to deal with any upsurge in terrorism, the Palestinian issue should primarily be a security issue dealt with by the IDF & not a political issue. We have more important priorities, chief among them, Iran & it's proxies, Syria, Hezbollah, & Hamas. Our real priorities are domestic such as gov't. reform, educational reform, etc. & the Palestinians are a distraction.
46 | Joe Doe, Valley Forge, PA, Friday Jul 17, 2009
"The piece can only be achieved at the end of the decisively won conflict" - are there any alternative answer to the realities and historical facts that Terry highlighted?
47 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Friday Jul 17, 2009
#45 Terry. Interesting conclusion. After all, Obama has sanitized American foreigh policy so that it is now inappropriate to refer to the "war on terror". He views it more as a law enforcement issue. Same can be said for the "law enforcement" issues with the Palestinians et al.
48 | M.Ogilvy, Friday Jul 17, 2009
Some Pressure on arabs ??? So far pressure has the following forms on both sides: Pressure on Israel to Relinquish Land
against and as trade off for Pressure on Arabs to mumble the word "peace" between their beard and their moustache. This is a non-starter, since Israel has no land it could surrender (per capita it has 7 times less than each arab), and Arabs have no peace which they can bestow on Israel.
Try this for a change: Ask the arabs to relinquish land, and press Israel to give the Arabs "Peace".
Now that is a trade of real assets both side posess.
Try this:
49 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Friday Jul 17, 2009
#47 Mike - By any objective standards, our conflict is & should be of little interest to the world. There is no oil, it's a very very small geographic area, there is a relatively small population involved, the conflict is not particularly bloody. Seen from our perspective, excluding the threat of war with actual Arab states or now with Iran, the Palestinians are no existential threat in real military terms. They would be more of a threat with an independant state, of course. But, given a free hand, we could displace them into Jordan in a short space of time quite easily.
50 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Friday Jul 17, 2009
#47 - Mike. Unfortunately, we do not have a free hand. This should be readily apparent after Operation Cast Lead, a small scale military operation which, as I'm sure you noticed, received rave reviews from all of our fans world-wide. The same would happen should there be a Palestinian State in the West Bank. We would have no recourse for the inevitable Palestinian misbehavior.
Domestically, we have many issues - political reform, educational reform, an economy that can only be called oligarchic & a stifling bureaucracy. These issues are more important than the Palestinians.
51 | Amnon, the Great AMERICAN Southwest, Saturday Jul 18, 2009
Yep, Obama has certainly put "pressure" on the Palestinians alright. Pressure to the sum of a check made out to Hamas in the amount of 900 mil of US taxpayer dollars, courtesy of the moral retard and the silly shrew Clinton.
Heck, if 900 mil is "pressuring" Hamas - send me some of THAT pressure, Obie.
52 | GOLDEN NUGGET Australia, Saturday Jul 18, 2009
#18 ABDI ! ABDI ! Come out wherever you are and answer #36/41...Seems you also excel as a "noble" ARTFUL DODGER...dodging the hard INCISIVE questions in the true form of your "noble" religion...DO TELL !!
53 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Saturday Jul 18, 2009
#47 Mike - I don't like the term War on Terror. Terrorism is a tactic. We are at war with a movement, with an ideology & that ideology has a name. We are at war with a totalitarian political ideology & terrorism is but one front in that war. At the same time, I didn't mean to imply that dealing with the Palestinian use of terror is a law enforcement issue - only that the IDF needs a free hand in doing whatever they see fit to eliminate threats without any political interference including from our courts. In essence, I mean put the West bank under martial law if that becomes necessary.
54 | cares1996 usa, Saturday Jul 18, 2009
pressure!! our mutual adversary perceives talk as impotence. Possibly if we told them America will be the #1 exporter and refiner of oil starting today till complete and israel will be headquarters for a new consortium for free nation oil supplies then maybe the oil kings would pay attention to something other than digits and power and focus on helping there own people live long and prosperous lives as peace-loving not hatred inspired humans.
55 | cares1996usa, Saturday Jul 18, 2009
I think if truth be told this is actually a contest of freedom vs dictatorship and the concern is that propraganda only delays the inevitable the olive branch is quickly wilting in the desert but the arrows are made of some special stuff. the all knowing powers must surely realize that freedom will prevail by either measure.Wars are not the peoples fault ,they represent the failures of governments to accept the challenging tasks they promised to undertake. israeli people put all your faith in the knowledge that our lord will provide for you after all he sent you bibi did`nt he
56 | J.M.Jordan, Germany, Sunday Jul 19, 2009
SORRY the Arab+Muslim world but all of us must GET REAL. It's impossible to at the same time say-or-think "the Arab street would JUST LOVE America once Israel no longer exists" as a talkbacker signing "Muslim" put it lately + GET Israeli-Palestinian peace. And well, "the-15-million-Iranian-dead-are-worth-it-if-two-to-three-bombs-wipe-out-Israel" maths (SUPPOSEDLY from Rafsandjani 2008) is the most satanic thing, the worst war crime plan ever heard of. Irresponsible also to the rest of the world INCL. THE PALESTINIANS +, last not least, THE OWN PEOPLE: Imagine only one of the brave killed!
57 | J.M.Jordan, Germany, Sunday Jul 19, 2009
SORRY the Arab+Muslim world but all of us must GET REAL. It's impossible to at the same time say-or-think "the Arab street would JUST LOVE America once Israel no longer exists" as a talkbacker signing "Muslim" put it lately + GET Israeli-Palestinian peace. And well, "the-15-million-Iranian-dead-are-worth-it-if-two-to-three-bombs-wipe-out-Israel" maths (SUPPOSEDLY from Rafsandjani 2008) is the most satanic thing, the worst war crime plan ever heard of. Irresponsible also to the rest of the world INCL. THE PALESTINIANS +, last not least, THE OWN PEOPLE: Imagine only one of the brave killed!
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