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Monday Jul 20, 2009
Rosner's Domain: Talkbacks new no "Nazi" rulePosted by SHMUEL ROSNER
Comments: 135      I started implementing a new talkback rule: all comments including the word "Nazi" will be deleted. Search, find, delete. No exceptions. An opportunity for us all to be more nuanced, less predictable - and, hopefully, somewhat less aggressive and more polite. Talkbackers can be quite blatant on this blog - but I don't want this to become the site of "you-Nazi-no-you-Nazi". Thank you for your understanding.
1 | GOLDEN NUGGET Australia, Monday Jul 20, 2009
BRAVO!! Rosner BRAVO!!...now go a step further and delete what that WORD stands for ...ISLAM....
2 | Amnon, the Great AMERICAN Southwest, Monday Jul 20, 2009
Better make sure you choose to eliminate those who espouse those views too, Rosner. Like "American" this and "American that" from Oklahoma.
Or would you prefer we call those kind Fascists? I wouldn't mind calling them that at all, because it is the TRUTH.
3 | truth lover, Monday Jul 20, 2009
In fact, the "N" label is mostly used by fanatical Zionist Jews against their opponents. In Jerusalem, the Haredim use it against the police, the settlers in Hebron used it against Israeli troops who came to evacuate them from an Arab building the settlers had seized a few years earlier.
Even a simple argument at a Tel Aviv restaurant usually ends with one person using the "N" word against the other.
non the less, we must recognize the fact that the phenomenon of Jewish fascism is a reality. Any visitor to the city of Hebron can see this phenomenon face to face.
We can't deny reality.
4 | Chris, Israel, Monday Jul 20, 2009
I suggest to delete the comments with word "apartheid" as well. This word is used as an insult - very few understand what it really means.
5 | Afro-American, Monday Jul 20, 2009
Obama is our elected president. Even Most American Jews gave them their votes.
Obama is answerable to those who elected him.
He is not responsible to Israel or the JEWISH LOBBY.
Also, fanatical Jews seeking to create bad blood between America and Islam will be disappointed.
Muslims are not our enemies. America had good relations with Islam and Muslim hundreds of years before the misbegotten birth of Israel.
Some of the first black Africans to arrive in the New World were Muslim. On the other hand, some of the first Jews to arrive in America were slave traders.
6 | Sami, Monday Jul 20, 2009
dozens of Israeli officials and writers and intellectuals have used the word "apartheid" to describe the Israeli occupation of the west bank.
I am a Palestinian. I live in the southern Hebron hills. And honestly, we haven't received tap water for the past 45 days...but our Jewish neighbors have their pools overflowing with water? So what am I supposed to call this? ideal egalitarinsim?
shame on the shameless
7 | Shlomo, Israel, Monday Jul 20, 2009
Mr. Afro American. You seem confused, are you still suffering from post Father's Day tramautic stress syndrome?
Ever wonder why all those poor slaves got to the New World? First and foremost they were the victims of tribal wars in Africa and their first oppressors were not only other Africans, they were Moslems. Right , Black Islamic Africans went to wars to enslave other Black Africans so they dcould sell them off as slaves.
As for the claim that some of the Jews who arrived in America were slave traders, you have little proof. Most slave traders were Christians, as most Americans were
8 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Monday Jul 20, 2009
#5 Afro-American - There is little evidence that any Muslims were in America prior to very modern times. America's relation to the Muslim world had to do with Barbary pirates, recall the words, '' to the shores of Tripoli'' when American warships fought & defeated MUSLIM pirates. Otherwise, America had virtually nothing to do with the Muslim world until oil was discovered in Saudi Arabia. Now let me tell you about slavery in the Muslim world. I'm well placed to talk about it since I'm from a Muslim country & know my history. As it happens, we also owned black slaves in my grandmother's time.
9 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Monday Jul 20, 2009
#5 Afro-American. Unlike our MUSLIM neighbors, we only owned black slaves from the Sudan as servants in our homes. Following JEWISH law, they were offered their FREEDOM after 7 years & if they declined, stayed on as members of the house-hold. My mother told me that her mother still had a black slave named M'weena who was too old to work but sat around in the kitchen & was taken care of until her death at a very old age. Muslims NEVER offered freedom to slaves. They beat the sh*t out of them as they still do to servants even today. Slavery in our country was only outlawed in the 1930's.
10 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Monday Jul 20, 2009
#5 Afro-American. Do you know who was selling blacks to slave-traders? Other blacks, tribal chiefs, organized raids to capture their ''merchandise'' for sale to middle-men, both European & Arab. Of course, it's not like slavery did not exist in Africa anyway. Blacks also kept black slaves. Where was the biggest market for slaves? The Middle-East. Where did legal slavery continue the longest? The Middle-East. Did you know that slavery still exists? In Mauritania, there are approx. 500,00 BLACK slaves owned by the WHITE Arab MUSLIMS. How about Sudan?
11 | Jeremy, Monday Jul 20, 2009
Thank you Rosner! Leftist hate speech needs to be called out for what it is.
12 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Monday Jul 20, 2009
#5 Afro-American. There are thousands of BLACK Christian & animist slaves in the Sudan, captured by MUSLIM Arab Sudanese. They are mistreated, abused, used sexually, & often forced to convert to ISLAM. Many are children. Since we're sort of on the subject, do you know the term for a black person in Arabic? It's ''abeed'' which means slave. In my part of the world, blacks are called ''draoui''
a pejorative term like the N-word in English. It is normal to address someone as ''draoui'' instead of his first name. Do you know the difference between slavery in Turkey & in Saudi Arabia?
13 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Monday Jul 20, 2009
#5 Afro-American. Let me tell you the difference. The MUSLIM Turks only bought boys who were then castrated so they could work in harems but could not have offspring. In Saudi Arabia, they bought mostly girls to work as servants & used them sexually as concubines. Today, of course, the Saudis don't use black slaves in this manner, they use Philipino maids, Bangladeshi, Indian, & Pakistani women instead. As you know, Saudi Arabia is a bastion of Islamic morality & tolerance. If you're a practicing Christian, you should go visit sometime & be sure to wear a cross & bring your Bible.
14 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Monday Jul 20, 2009
#5 Afro-American. I didn't mean to confuse you with FACTS, I know that facts are very disturbing for people who prefer mythology. But, your comments were, so, well, just plain stupid, that I felt I had to reply. By the way, your beloved President Obama who is half white anyway, is not a descendant of slaves brought to America. He is more likely descended from those that SOLD slaves to Arab traders. but, of course, this is only speculation on my part.
15 | GOLDEN NUGGET Ausralia, Monday Jul 20, 2009
AFRO AMERICAN Be careful when you use the words "SLAVE TRADERS" and "SLAVES' as it will come back and bite your butt as follows:- (1) SLAVE traders were exclusively the domain of MUSLIM ARABS who were the toast of "mint tulip" Southern society set. (2) SLAVES are and always
were the proud "possessions"of Muslim Arabs who counted much of their wealth in terms of slaves.
ISLAM and your Muslim President HUSSIEN as bedfellows deserve each other...and I wish them a HAPPY HONEYMOON...I also wish them to shove their vile Agedas against Israel up their butts !!
16 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Monday Jul 20, 2009
#7 Shlomo. Actually, Sephardic Jews who built up the sugar industry in the late 1600's used quite a bit of slave labour, they were not slave traders but rather customers. They couldn't use Indians because Indians died in captivity. It is just a historical fact & nothing to deny. We don't have to re-write history to prove our point. We can leave that disgusting habit, that intellectual dishonesty, to our Arab & looney-leftists enemies, who routinely re-write history to suit their agenda. Anti-Semites love to point out isolated incidents of Jewish mis-deeds while ignoring much worse from others.
17 | afro-american, New York, Monday Jul 20, 2009
to all Jewish propagandists here, I suggest you spare your defensive reflexes and santimonious lies.
To begin with, you know and we know that non-Jews living under Jewish law are treated as slaves. The term for that is "wood hewers" and "water carriers." so, don't deny the obvious.
Second, you know and we know that thousands, perhaps tens of thousands of black slaves en route to the Americas aboard Jewish ships were "jettisoned" in high seas because the Jewish slave traders viewed them as "non-humans."
Even today, most rabbis view blacks as non-humans or infra-humans.
18 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Monday Jul 20, 2009
#6 Sami, the Palestinian resident of Hevron. Why don't you address your complaints to Mr Abbas or Mr Fayyad? Where is all the money they receive from the international community of suckers? Why haven't they invested in infrastructure or anything else for that matter? But, you know where the money went, don't you? But it's easier to bitch about Israel than admit that your leaders are a bunch of incompetent thieves & embezzlers that don't care a fig about you. I bet you that Abbas has water. I bet you that Fayyad has water. I bet you that ALL your corrupt leaders have water.
19 | B.A. The Netherlands, Monday Jul 20, 2009
Mr. "Afro-American", As an African from Africa, all I can say to you is this: SHAME ON YOU! Your post deserves no comment. May God bless and protect the State of Isreal. After you and Obama (if he indeed is no friend of Israsl as it appears) are long gone, there State of Isreal will continue to live and thrive. BTW what has your Obama done for Darfur, ever?!!
20 | Afro-American, Monday Jul 20, 2009
more on slavery and the Jews: Even today, white-girl slavery in Israel is very prosperous. They bring them from Eastern Europe and Russia, having them duped they would work in hotels and restaurants.
And when they arrive in Israel, they confiscate their passports, rape them repeatedly. Then afterwards, they take them to the prostitution market in TA where they allow their friends to rape them in order to examine their suitability.
Then the Jewish prostitution master arrives, he opens the girls' mouths, etc. it is just like treating animals. So much fo the Light upon the nations!!!!
21 | sami, Yatta, Israeli-occupied W.Bank, Monday Jul 20, 2009
Terry, I wish you were a little bit more honest, or more correctly less dishonest.
You surely know that Abbas controls nothing. He is a little more than the president of a judenrat...you know what that means in German, don't you?
You should also know that all water resources in the W.B. are totally controlled by Israel?
Your argument is a classical example of blaming the slave not the slave-master.
Man, be honest, it doesn't cost you money to be honest.
22 | Palestinian, Monday Jul 20, 2009
Terry, if Abbas and his cohorts are corrupt, why does Israel transfer to them hundreds of millions of dollars?
23 | American citizen, Monday Jul 20, 2009
Terry, does Judaism allow Jews to swim in overflowing pools and upkeep green gardens while their non-Jewish neighbors are dying of thirst?
I thought Judaism was a humane religion?
This is not propaganda, I saw this when I visited the West Bank recently.
24 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Monday Jul 20, 2009
#17 Afro-American meshuggana. I don't think that Ethiopian rabbis view blacks as non-humans. And, of course, neither do any other rabbis. Some discrimination exists, this is undeniable. And, it exists everywhere, not just in Israel. Non-Jews, of whom there are many, are not treated as slaves. That is just a wild, stupid, & bigoted accusation. You are an anti-Semite, a disgrace for a black person who should certainly know better. I see, every single day, black Ethiopian Jews, working, in the army, playing with schoolmates, socializing with other Israelis. You're a real fool.
25 | honest Jew, Monday Jul 20, 2009
Terry, they are not isolated cases. Indeed, ever since the creation of Israel in 1948, there have been thousands of cases of clear and brazen discrimination against non-Jews. Didn't Jews demolish non-Jewish towns in order to build homes for Jews? Didn't Jews expell non-Jews from their homes in order to lodge Jewish immigrants. The examples can go on and on and on.
Why do you people deny the obvious. Does one have to be a Moshe Ma'oz or an Uri Avnery or an Amira Hass or a Gideon Levy to tell the truth?
I suggest you read "the ethnic cleansing of Palestine". The author is Jewish.
26 | Yoav Naor Haifa, Monday Jul 20, 2009
afro-american,to come on JP you need more than a just a few damaged brain cells.You actually need to know what you are talking about,and blowing steam from your back pipes just doesn't cut it.
You have wandered on to the wrong web site.
27 | European, Monday Jul 20, 2009
GOLDEN NUGGET Ausralia, do you know Australia is the most racist western country?
No wonder you are from Australia...you come from a country whose original white immigrants were thugs, murderers and common criminals. The British just couldn't keep them in UK as they posed a danger to inhabitants of the British islands.
28 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Monday Jul 20, 2009
And just to get back on subject, it's about time you have a tougher policy on the use of the abreviation for National-Socialism. It's become the insult of choice for the pathological psychotic anti-Semites that infest this & other sites. I certainly don't believe in any form of censorship & you certainly should be commended for not censoring comments but this word has no place on a Jewish blog unless discussing actual historical subjects.
29 | Afro American, Monday Jul 20, 2009
Terry, it is you who is lying and lacking the rectitude to face reality. Yes, non-Jews are viewed as non-humans or infra humans by the bulk of the Orthodox religious establishment in Israel. This racism is taught in Yeshivot throughout Israel, like Merkaz harav in Jerusalem. Prominet rabbis like Ovadia Yosef, Mordechai Elyahu, David Batsri, Dov Lior, Haim Druckman, etc. all subscribe to this venomous ideology.
These are not marginal figures,they represent the mainstream,and they are very very very racist.
This is not to mention Chabad..which is more racist than racism itself.
30 | Afro American, Monday Jul 20, 2009
Yoav Naor Haifa: you are resorting to an old Jewish Talmudic trick when losing an argument or when being cornered by a non-Jew. You resort to name calling and silly jokes, instead of acknowledging you are wrong.
31 | American journalist, Monday Jul 20, 2009
Terry, you seem to have a double-personality. First you say you are against censorship, and then you are demanding that critics of Israel are censored?
What happened to the free market of ideas?
Are you easily defeated by one or two critics of Israel on this forum? Well, perhaps they are right.
Your desperate reactions and responses underscore the veracity of their view point.
32 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Monday Jul 20, 2009
#21/22/23/25 - Did I miss anyone or are you all the same person? In any case, Why does the israeli gov't. transfer money to the PA? That's a great question. I don't know & I certainly wouldn't. The description of any ethnic cleansing during the 1948 war, in which YOUR people attacked US, is not as simple as you try to make it out. No matter, I would have thrown you all out in 1948 - it was a mistake on our part to leave any Arabs in the new state, a mistake which we are still paying for. You can explain later why you expelled all the Jews from areas you took over, including E. Jerusalem.
33 | Yoav Naor Haifa, Monday Jul 20, 2009
afro-american,I was just trying to be nice to you,The Jewish Talmud tells us to be nice to everyone,even to someone like you.I suggest that in future just make sure that you take those tablets,before you post.Good Luck.
34 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Monday Jul 20, 2009
#29/30/31 - Multiple-personality poster or should I say imposter - Sorry, you'll have to go on without me, I finished my coffee & I have other things to do than respond to BS.
Have a nice day.
35 | Jason, NZ, Monday Jul 20, 2009
You see this talkback is filled with Anti-Islam posts all because Mr. AfroAmerican given his opinion about muslims. I cant understand you people, you probably drink, eat and breathe Hate. I read very interesting articles in history about the 2nd Caliphate in Islam bringing Jews to the holy land and Iraq. I read about Muslim rulers host Jewsih scholars in their lobies. I read about Muslim rule in Spain supporting Jews to remain their.
You have taken a land that you think it belongs to you, so do you expect the land owners to give you roses? Stop taking this vitamin H.
36 | Lese Majeste, Monday Jul 20, 2009
How about an article from Ha aretz that uses the word 'Nazi'? Is that to be deleted also?
Vatican teaching Hezbollah how to kill Jews, says pamphlet for IDF troops
The book describes the alleged visit of Hezbollah officials to Auschwitz, led by the Vatican: "We came to the camps. We saw the trains, the platforms, the piles of eyeglasses and clothes ... We came to learn ... Our escort spoke as he was taught. We quickly explained to him: Every real Arab, deep inside, is kind of a fan of the Nazis."
http://www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/1101158.html
37 | un2here, Stockholm, Monday Jul 20, 2009
Terry, justifying and advocating ethnic cleansing in the same sentence as you accuse those who were about to be "driven into the sea" and "wiped off the map" for starting the -47 war is incoherent Zionist bullshit.
38 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Monday Jul 20, 2009
Rosner- I congratulate you for expelling the word in to-days's header. I would also like to suggest the following, having read Eric from New Zealand. We all know that holocaust denial is unlawful in Germany, yet it is a frequent mantra on these site, often used as a statement that the Jews created it to justify the need for the State of Israel. Also, dispite daily refutation there is this theme of where you have to be from to be a Jew. This is not a "means test" for any other religion. These two items waste a lot of time and energy leading us away from the relevance of your blogs. I know its hard because these are not single words
39 | Hofikoman, Monday Jul 20, 2009
The decision to eliminate the 'Nazi' word is a mistake. How it is used and abused is very much at the core of the ideological polemic going on at this time. The people who should decide this issue are the Survivors who are well schooled in the danger of Jews understating the nature of the threats they face. They are the only ones who have a claim on having their feelings protected by such censorship. But they would much rather have understanding of that threat refined and increased then removing the tools to sober clarification through censorship. You can't stop the internet being what it is
40 | McQueen NYC, Monday Jul 20, 2009
These talkbacks are filled with inaccurate Jew-hating posts. The idea that the Jerusalem Post publishes this garbage under the guise of "debate" is a disgrace.
41 | McQueen NYC, Monday Jul 20, 2009
What kind of idiotic moderator do you have? Again, if you are going to publish extremist Jew-hating posts why have a moderator at all?
42 | Morton Friedman Lanham, MD, Monday Jul 20, 2009
Is the true name of Afro-American Wright, Farrakahn, or Jackson? Of course slavery has existed from time immemorial, and the Old Testament not only recognizes its existence, but places rules on its moderation. The Jubilee year for example. Does slavery have many different faces and degrees? Of course. Does every jew rigorously abide by every law of Torah? Of course not. But then examine the laws, and practice, of Christianity and Islam, over the centuries. A world of major difference. Christianity only changed in the early 1800s, Islam has not even begun to change.
43 | Mike Feldman Canada, Monday Jul 20, 2009
un2here. are you quoting a different Terry. I don't see the quotes adding up to "incoherent Zionist bullshit' in his posts. What # contains the references to wiped off teh map and driven into the sea.
What I see in his post is a factual reference to the fact that Israel was attacked immediately by its Arab neighbors on inception, and I believe that Terry is saying that it was a strategic mistake on the part of Israel not to expel the Arabs after they defeated them in a war that the Arabls started..This is not a racial statement. To me its sayinjg that it is a mistake to let a dangerous enemy off the hook
44 | Morton Friedman Lanham, MD, Monday Jul 20, 2009
When one who has been asked to stay and build, becomes one who stays to destroy, yes, it is due time to give 'walking papers'. Rosner does have a problem with application of censorship. Today we can not use the words Negro, or Colored. Even Niggardly, a proper english word, has been declared offensive. I guess only the NAACP can use the word colored. I will suggest some additional words that I see abused in their meaning, words like Peace, Occupation, Settlements, Apartheid, Etnic Cleansing, Genocide. All of them no longer have their original meaning.
45 | Mike Feldman. Canada, Monday Jul 20, 2009
#35 jason. In case you didn't notice Afro-Americans posts are full of anti-semitc references, and he has tried to re-create history. You talk with admiration about how all the good Muslim rulers found it in their hearts to host the Jews in their countries. However its not so good for the Jews to have their own lands. It had to be federally mandated that Mr. A's folks could go to restaurants, schools, hotels and sit on buses before they were 'integrated' into American society. I don't remember any Muslim civil rights activists, but Jewish boys died in Mississippi advocating rights for blacks.
46 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Monday Jul 20, 2009
I thought I had posted this earlier but I will try again. What Afro-American didn't say is that he is a member of the Nation of Islam, a follower of Louis Farakhan. The Jerusalem Post is his assignment for to-day. While he is re-creating historical fact his brothers known as Hizb Ut Tahrir are holding a conference in Chicago calling for the overthrow of capitalism and the rule of Islam throughtout the world. They are calling their Muslim brothers to arms for Jihad against the West. His posts are a result of 50 of a refined messageand some of the weiners here are lapping it up like milk CONT
47 | Afro-american, Monday Jul 20, 2009
What kind of a Jewish state is that which stands silent and blind and deaf while herds of Jewish settler thugs are setting Palestinian farms, groves and orchards on Fire all over the West Bank.
where are the police?
Why do Jews keep silent in the face of these crimes? why do rabbis encourage these thugs to commit these crimes?
And why the poor and impoverished Palestinian farmers ought to be punished for the evacuation by the Israeli army of some settler outposts?
We must call the spade a spade. The settlers and their rabbis are criminals. They must be uprooted. Period.
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