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Wednesday Nov 11, 2009
Rosner's Domain: Should America step away from the Israel-Palestine conflict?Posted by SHMUEL ROSNER
Comments: 125      Follow Rosner's Domain on Twitter! / Join me on Facebook! The Atlantic Wire has all the answers. Friedman: yes. Klein: cut Israel off. Scoblete: yes. Walt: no. And here's Carter, saying "no": "Instead of waiting for Benjamin Netanyahu and Mahmoud Abbas to beg us, which won't happen, America needs to put forward on our own initiative a plan for two states, perhaps based on the Arab initiative, which calls for diplomatic and economic recognition of Israel within its secure borders, side by side with Palestinians in a viable and contiguous state". Unrelated, but a worthy anecdote: Smith writes that at the end of the Obama-Bibi meeting "Obama [jokingly] announced, according to the source in the room, 'we've
decided that we are going to trade our Lieberman for their Lieberman'".
1 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Wednesday Nov 11, 2009
Is it significant that only hostile anti-Israel commentators have their views presented? Is this some kind of propaganda effort to make us afraid the US will abandon us, to persuade us that we should support the totally phoney peace process? The peace process begun at Oslo has been a total & abject failure. It has caused us nothing but harm, has achieved nothing towards an illusory peace. But, it is not up to America, it is up to us in Israel to change course. The rotting corpse of this policy lies unburied only because OUR politicians continue the charade.
2 | Sally - U.S.A., Wednesday Nov 11, 2009
Terry brings up a good point - why are only hostile anti-Israel commentators having their views presented? Moreover, one of the commentators co-authored a book that is basically another Protocols of the Elders. Additionally, the J'Post has an "un-named US diplomat" claiming Netanyahu is trying to maneuver the US & sway opinion. For Obama's administration to perpetuate such classic anti-semitic dribble is beyond contempt.
3 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Wednesday Nov 11, 2009
Notice also that no one mentions how badly Obama has bungled things up. Bad enough that the underlying policy is so wrong-headed but Obama's amateur-hour diplomacy made even the normal charade a total farce. But, rather than blame the sheer incompetence of the Obama team (forget any criticism of the underlying policy), much better to try & establish some more moral equivalancy & put an equal amount of blame on both parties when the real obstacle to continued talks are the Palestinians. Leftists are almost as talented as Arabs when it comes to evading responsibility.
4 | MELODY USA, Wednesday Nov 11, 2009
yes,but we must stay their allies.we have no rgt to tell them what to do.we wont let someone tells us.jerusalem must never be split up! why dont everyone just let israel be a jewish state.and live together in peace.we do here.we have every race here.they all practice their own reliegion.but its usa.usa is far from being perfect!peace could dome to israel.its already a jewish state.so people need to go with their life and quit fighting and peaceful beside each other.then there wouldnt have to be walls.common sense.greed and power and money rule people.i feel there is pals.want peace not war.
5 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Wednesday Nov 11, 2009
Terry. I dont known the nuances of Israeili politics. However.maybe what your stating is Israel's version of apeasement, a common Westernized foreign policy practice. In this case, it is the appearance of appeasement without the negative results. I am thinking about the comments about Netanyahu circulating at the State Department that state: Bibi thinks he can negotiate without having a deal."
6 | molly-glasgow, Wednesday Nov 11, 2009
The U.S should make a stand with Israel and tell all arab nations to open up their vast lands to accomadate the palistinians by giving them a portion of THEIR land.If perchance America [under obama ]puts pressure on Israel in ANY way then I'm afraid America will fall but Israel WILL survive.
7 | Daran, UK, Wednesday Nov 11, 2009
Terry, I was going to be tongue in cheek about Obama resurrecting the corspe but its to serious for that. If i understand your position correctly. You say that there is no possibility of peace with the "arabs/muslims" given their demands are more than the people of and gov of the state of Israel are prepared to give dividing Jerusalem all the West Bank and so on. I'm not sure whether you advocate annexing this area but assume you must if you carry out the forced expulsions you say must occur. I honestly believe that if such a policy was to happen then you would be "abandoned" and worse by US
8 | Daran, UK, Wednesday Nov 11, 2009
cont. you appear to be laboring under the misunderstanding that Its Israel alone who has a "final" say in the outcome of "events" in the area. You endanger the Israeli state by such "blindness" the rest of the world and every international organ on the earth regards Israel as the occupying power. Also the loyalty oaths required to pick and choose who gets expelled, is that not going to catch some haredi out. does that mean you'd have the IDF "special groups" dragging Jews from Jerusalem and elsewhere to the boarders along with the "arabs" .Why those who wish no well to Israel could just lie.
9 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Wednesday Nov 11, 2009
#5 Mike. A significant proportion of the Israeli electorate supports negotiations with the Palestinians & separation from them, meaning a two-state solution someday. This support is somewhat theoretical if you get into precise details of an agreement (for example, Jerusalem). These people are not leftists, just unrealistic & indulging in a bit of wishful thinking + a big dose of denial. Few people would say they are against ''peace'' . Because we have a rather dysfunctional political system, because the Left dominates the media, Netanyahu is sensitive to a barrage of criticism from the Left.
10 | Mark Jeffery Koch Cherry Hill, New Jersey USA, Wednesday Nov 11, 2009
America should always be in the forefront of helping to solve the Israeli-Palestinian problem but what should happen is for the details of what Olmert offered Abbas to be made public. If it is true that Olmert offered much more than Barak did at Camp David and later at Taba then the world should know how far Israel has been willing to go to solve the problem. It's time to end the horrible p.r. Israel receives worldwide & show the world the main obstacle is the Palestinians inability to accept half a loaf when they really want all of Israel & the right of return which will never, ever happen.
11 | Laurie Kent - Wilmington,North Carolina, USA, Wednesday Nov 11, 2009
Yes...the U.S. should step away from the Israel-Palestine conflict. The U.S. has a president now who, regardless of what he utters, is anti-Israel and anti-Christian. He does not believe that our founding fathers in the U.S. based our beginnings on God and His soverignty. He has no respect for Jews or Christians and spends most of his time being politically correct. Israel belongs to the Jews. God gave her to the Jews. Period.
12 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Wednesday Nov 11, 2009
#7/8 Daran. No, you don't understand at all my position. I am saying that the two-state solution under any conditions will not bring peace no matter Israeli concessions. I am saying that our continued EXISTENCE as a sovereign Jewish state in ANY borders is not acceptable to Palestinians - they want us gone, eliminated, to replace our state with an Arab state on ALL the territory of what was British Mandate Palestine. To them, ALL of Israel is under ''occupation'' - they do not recognize OUR national rights as legitimate. Do you expect us to negotiate our national suicide?
13 | Tom, US, Wednesday Nov 11, 2009
America should have walked away from the ME regarding any form of settlement a long time ago. Any time there have even been hints of peace Israel has provoked another round of fighting. As long as the US is present there is NO motivation for Israel to move toward any form of peace. If the USA simply walked away and cut off all foreign as well as military aid the Israeli's would either seek peace with their neighbors or else be over run.
14 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Wednesday Nov 11, 2009
#7/8 Daran. Now, I am not just making this up. ALL evidence leads to this conclusion. The Palestinians say it all the time, they've been saying it for 60 years. Western supporters of ''peace'' just ignore all the statements by Palestinians as to their real intentions & goal. This being the case, what point is there to make any concessions whatsoever? I favour transfer not because I don't recognize their national legitimacy (as they deny ours) but for security reasons & because, in the long run, beating the crap out of enemies is an excellent strategy.
15 | Moshavnik, Israel, Wednesday Nov 11, 2009
What is interesting is that all those suggesting cutting off all outside involvement would also be the first ones to intervene the next time Israel will have to defend itself from attacks from Lebanon and Gaza. If the outside world would let things take their natural course ie...the allied devastation of Japan and Germany, you would see peace very quickly. Look at those 2 countries now. Among the big pacifists on earth. Let the Palestinians suffer the full consequences of their actions and see how their attitude changes.
16 | Duncan Lennox ,Canada, Wednesday Nov 11, 2009
To #14 Terry Eilat . Yours is an honest remark & 1 that frames the problem. ie It is OK to ethnically cleanse Pal`n of it`s indigenous popul`n as it creates a homeland for Zionists. It is also true that the peace process has failed many times however the cause has been the Zionist basis for peace. They have never negotiated in good faith. They couldn`t as their goal is a Jewish-only state & as U say many see TRANSFER as the final solution to the Pal`n problem. Thankfully not all Jews are Zionists & many recognize that they have No Divine Right to Pal`n. Go back to the 1947 UN res borders
17 | Randall, Miami,Fl., Wednesday Nov 11, 2009
How humorous to see people play tug of war over a land that was promised and given thousands of years ago to the Israeli people.God Himself,swore it upon Himself giving Abraham and his seed,the land of Israel.God sealed it with a sacrifice,and pronounced the borders of it.It was only because of Israels unfaithfulness that God even allowed another people to come in and occupy it.But even that,He proclaimed,would be for a time."Time of the Gentiles".1948 was the beginning of God returning Israel back to its land forever.No matter how puny man moves the chess pieces, God has declared "CHECKMATE".
18 | Randall, Miami,Fl., Wednesday Nov 11, 2009
To #16 Duncan.When has a modern nation ever taken land by defending itself from it enemies given it back, or been asked to give it back?This is what you ask Israel to do.Israel did not attack those nations in 1967.They attacked her,and on a holy day.If your neighbors attack you from all sides and you fight them back garnering the land from which they attacked you, are you going to give it back for the promise of peace?Of course not.And no one should expect you to.If Canada,the US,Switzerland,Great Britain,bordered Israel,we would not be having this discussion.There would be peace in Israel.
19 | Randall, Miami,Fl., Wednesday Nov 11, 2009
To #16 Duncan.When has a modern nation ever taken land by defending itself from it enemies given it back, or been asked to give it back?This is what you ask Israel to do.Israel did not attack those nations in 1967.They attacked her,and on a holy day.If your neighbors attack you from all sides and you fight them back garnering the land from which they attacked you, are you going to give it back for the promise of peace?Of course not.And no one should expect you to.If Canada,the US,Switzerland,Great Britain,bordered Israel,we would not be having this discussion.There would be peace in Israel.
20 | julie, Wednesday Nov 11, 2009
It is time to bring up the unmentionable. The two state solution does not have the backing needed in Israel nor is it even logical to have a country without air space and open borders for commerce etc. It is time to progress with equal rights for all citizens. The U.S. should change the focus. The time has come for both sides to see it how it is.
21 | CARES1996, Wednesday Nov 11, 2009
YOU REFER TO OBAMA COMMENT AS JOKE,MORE TO IT THEN I LIKE TO KNOW,WE THIS AMERICAN BELEIVES STRONGLY IF ANY PEACE NEGOTIATIONS ARE CONDUCTED ITS ISRAEL`S CALL,EVERY U.S. PRES. SINCE ISRAEL`S NEW STATEHOOD HAS TRIED,TO NO AVAIL,ITS AMERICA`S PLACE AS ISRAEL`S BEST ALLY TO STAND WITH BIBI`S EVALUATION OF THE SITUATION.WE THE PEOPLE NEED TO REMAIN BEACON AND SUPPORTIVE OF FREEDOM AND DEMOCRACY,TO WAIVER OR COMPROMISE ANYWHERE FROM OUR CONSTITUTION AND CORE PRINCIPALS WILL UNDOUBTABLY RESULT IN CASCADING EFFECT GLOBALLY,STAND TALL WITH ISRAEL,STICK TO PRINCIPLES ITS BEST CHANCE FOR VICTORY.
22 | cares1996, Wednesday Nov 11, 2009
1,2,3,4 and on & on the free EWS tried explaining the importance of unbiased media,why so many negative articles its a no-brainer,enemies of freedom and democracy have bought the publicly traded company share`s therefore they control board of directors-editors in chief and to our misfortune they don`t like us,however beings they`re so twisted in ideology they`ve tanked the stock value,we need assistance from capitalist billionaires to buy up cheap companies,turn them around and get us unbiast info at same time make them money,it can be done,turn your channel newspaper till you see difference
23 | CARES1996, Wednesday Nov 11, 2009
PEOPLE IT DOESN`T MATTER WHATS OFFERED,THE OTHER SIDE OF TABLE SEEKS TO WIPE YOUR RACE OUT AGAIN,THE THE ANTI-OIL LOBBIES KEEP THIS SITUATION GOING,THIRTY SOME ODD YRS. NOW,THAT LEADS ME TO THINK THAT THOSE SUPPLYING THE OIL ARE FUNDING THE ENVIORMENTALST MOVEMENT.THEY`RE ONLY BENEFACTORS OF SITUATION(STUPIDITY AND CAPITALISM DON`T MIX)SOMEONE EXPENSE ACCOUNT HAS THIS MOVEMENT AS BOTH EXPENSE AND INVESTMENT.IN THE SCHEME OF THINGS ITS WAY CHEAPER THEN MILITARIES,END OBJECTIVE ALREADY STATED YOUR LITTLE SATAN WERE GREAT SATAN THIS IS ONE OF SEVERAL MEANS TO ACHIEVE THEIR GOALS(MUTIPLE CULPRITS)
24 | muslim, Wednesday Nov 11, 2009
there are some comments that are so arrogant as if victory can only be on Israeli side ...and others who are so naive to thing that Israel making all the concessions will bring peace.Americans are only interested in the stability of oil rich Arab dictators so they will always stay involved in the ME.Obama is like a pill given to the world to forget about ibn saud Bush...but the policy won't change.The middle east is inhabited by jackals...when weakness is smelled you are dead.Arab dictators won't even think of making a concession and the Americans know that
25 | muslim, Wednesday Nov 11, 2009
cont/ that if Israel makes to much concessions...it will be seen as weakness and it is like inviting the Arabs to be nuked....peace can come only with democratization of the Arab world but the Arab intelligent dictators made sure that door will never open...the islamist dog(they created) is guarding it.The Americans have no choice but sell arms to Israel,give money to Palestinians and eventually die protecting the Saudis...
26 | Daran, UK, Wednesday Nov 11, 2009
Terry, you don't address my point about the rest of the world and the US in particular. do you say that US policy would remain unchanged toward Israel if the situation you advocate arose? do think such transfers would be "allowed" by the international community? Is not naivete supposed to be the preserve of the "left/west liberals" . That's why I said I thought such action would endanger Israel and it's people. A rejection which causes the US to reposition itself and the Arab peace plan to be withdrawn would simply be a guarantee that more lives would lost and more suffering on both sides.
27 | David USA, Wednesday Nov 11, 2009
Sick of it all. Yes, let them have it out among themselves - with all US $$$$ cut off. We'll see how well and how fast the absence of $$$$ will be working. Nothing else has.
28 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Wednesday Nov 11, 2009
#26 Daran. Sorry, you're right, I didn't address that point, it was time for me to go out & have coffee on the beautiful Eilat coast. Trust me, I'm not naive. I'll be sure to address this point in another post.
29 | Nechama, USA, Wednesday Nov 11, 2009
Since Gaza and West Bank are not contiguous, how do you propose creating a continguous palestinian state? I've always wondered the ligistics of such a state. Gaza on one side, West Bank on the other side with Israel in between. If you build a road across Israel from Gaza to West Bank, it would cut Israel in half, creating a security nightmare. But even before this, hamas has sworn they will never negotiate, never make peace with nor recognize Israel's right to exist as Jewish state. So even if Abbas made peace with Israel, Gaza would not join in on that peace.
30 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Wednesday Nov 11, 2009
#27. David. Sorry you're sick of it all. You probably don't have a very good attention span. Your $$$$ mantra is quite simplistic and inaccurate.. Hopefully, someone from Israel who knows the score better than I will attempt to educate you on the true nature of US-Israeli financial arrangements.
31 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Thursday Nov 12, 2009
#3 Terry, Not fair. I have thought that its about Obama's incompetance from the get go. I prefer to think this is the fact rather than the posts that suggest his actions are intentionally malevolent. Its easy to say that Obama means harm to Israel, I think he just doesn't understand the players in the Middle East game. I can't think of a political leader in the ME who couldn't dance circles around Obama, while he's waiting for the telepromter to warm up.
32 | Jae USA, Thursday Nov 12, 2009
Yes, until the US focuses on Jrdan as Palestine, they should step away.
Jordan is the only solution on paper
1)its 78% of the palestine mandate
2) its populace is 80% palestinian
3) its hashemite rulers are not from here; they shouldnt be ruling the palestinian state
a) hashemites (king abdullah & family) are british implants from mecca circa 1920
4) Israel wont be 9 miles wide
for these and other reasons Jordan needs to REVERT to being Palestine
33 | Efi, Israel, Thursday Nov 12, 2009
Yes, leave us alone! You deal with your problems, we'll deal with ours. We can cooperate as good allies without US pressure on Israel designed to force Israel to take yet more risks that will backfire.
The whole world told us to get out of gaza, but it was us who had to deal with the rockets after the withdrawal. So please, just butt out.
34 | Scott Benlevi occupied Native America, Thursday Nov 12, 2009
The most egregious occupiers of another's land are all non-Native Americans. They decry the so-called occupation of so-called Palestinian land by Israel, while they have contributed to the suffering of the original inhabitants of the Americas. Hypocrites. History and truth will out...the only palestinian state is a foreign-occupied Jordan. Christian Americans really need to mind their own business unless they're ready to return Native American lands,pat reparations,and return the 1 quadrillion dollars of Native American money plus interest held in trust by the federal government.
35 | flower,USA, Thursday Nov 12, 2009
The Us is not an honset broker on top of being in the dark as far as running a peace process is concerned..Stay at home Obama and take care of your enormous internal problems, some of them your own doing.
36 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Thursday Nov 12, 2009
#31 Mike. Obama has a world-view that is hostile to Israel AND he is incompetent, a bungler, totally misunderstands not just the Middle-East but foreign relations generally. The same goes for his domestic program. The guy is a far-left ideologue AND an incompetent. Underlying the incompetence & the ideology, however, is one creepy guy - I find him repulsive as a person, I see him as a shallow, intellectually dishonest, narcissistic, opportunistic conman, a fraud.
37 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Thursday Nov 12, 2009
#26 Daran. If you have a bit of patience, there is a video clip of Prof. Barry Rubin speaking at the YIISA - the clip is some 90 minutes long - on Vimeo but also posted on his blog, Rubin Reports, ''How the PLO Adapted anti-Semitism as Anti-Zionism'' but which touches on many Middle-East issues as well. I recommend you listen to this very informative lecture & keep in mind that this is a moderate, not a far-right ideologue. I'd be most interested to hear your opinion.
38 | cotton pickin' stickin' it to Tom, Thursday Nov 12, 2009
Tom, your blog #13 shows you as blinking,blinking,blinking.Your "sedate" language in your blog is that of a person who is losing control of his "bodily functions" i.e. pissin and sh**n yourself. you come across as a dumped,pathetic hubby of lydia drowing your sorrows. Keep your chin up asshole, there is no shorotage
of lydia assholes in your arab/muslim world. With your reptutation as "Shagger Tom" you can take your
"pickin' of your shi**in" .Great to witness you slinking away with your tail between your legs.
39 | MELODY USA, Thursday Nov 12, 2009
in Surah 17, to the farther Temple [Al-Aksa, Jerusalem] whose surroundings We have blessed.We solemnly declared to the Israelites. We sent another army to afflict you and to enter the Temple, as the former entered it.the Koran gives us the evidence of the destruction of the two Temples that had stood on the site of Al-Aksa. Nothing could be clearer. ..had to shorten,but here is proof for israel.i am a christian and found this.go read it and see for your selfs. so why do the arabs so no,humm interesting!!!!!!!so people of the world open your eyes and ears and heart.truth will set you free
40 | Yacov Yosifovitch, NYc :Another 1948 Arabs-attack is coming?, Thursday Nov 12, 2009
Note: The Elders of WAHHABi of Saudi-Arabous's have secretly been gifted a "SUNNI-A-BOMB" by Illegal Squater Pakistan, On Stolen-Landa from INDIA. Kashmir by Musharif 07. So SABRA's; Beware The sneaky conspiracy's of the 12-Ugly-Faces of the "ELDERS OF "AL TAQIYAH"s. Behold; Another 1948 Style "United Arab Front/Offensive" (w/Turkey, Syria, Iran, & Yes SAUDi , Jordan & CO. too) are at it again. The Ex-Idol Worshipers (self Serving Satanic Vesus LOVERS) OF MIDDLE EAST, aka Hijackers of the Judeo-abe -JU System whom stole the SABRA's ancient word "YA ALLAH", are so so soo JEALOUS again, that
41 | MELODY USA, Thursday Nov 12, 2009
the muslims in there own book the koron says there was 2 temple.in the torah 2 temples.also the town is called jerusalem then and now.so why do the muslims argue with israel,all because of muhhumand.but truth is they said ismael was on the rock not iaasc.thats where they differ.i am a christian.i tried to see both sides.but the old books the scrolls says iaacs.thats what i am going to believe.there is good and and bad in every race.everyone knows it was called israel,judah land.when the british came it became palistein.history got all missed up.the acient scrolls tell different.
42 | MELODY USA, Thursday Nov 12, 2009
as for muhhumand,i dont know all he did.he might of been arose up,only g-d knows.its a shame the temple cannt be built where its suppose to be,and the mulsims have their rock somewhere close so they can do their worship.they are finding facts and truth everyday.i am sad to say it maybe end in war.the book of rev says it will come to past,no matter what is done.g-d said he will defend israel and take it back and put the jew back into the olive branch.we cannt change this.if it wasnt for the jews we havent have g-d holy word and g-d and jesus.jesus died for all mankind.wake up world,quit fighting
43 | Ronald USA, Thursday Nov 12, 2009
Should America step away from the Israel-Palestine conflict?
Yes. It is the pinnacle of arrogance for the US to believe that after 60 years of Israel's existence, with on-and-off wars, then negotiations; wars, then negotiations; that the US has a 'peace solution' that can be imposed on Israel. The fact that Obama is still trying the same old strategies that have repeatedly failed in the past proves that the US is part of the problem. Israel need not fear diminished US support. The truth is that the US is broke and Israel's economy is far stronger on a per capita basis.
44 | Yacov Yosifovitch :SoonTurkey willHavwCHINA-Army BasesThere!, Thursday Nov 12, 2009
Thank "IT" Israel did not Deliver the R-C DRONES to inSULTANTurks, & Russia did not deliver to the SHIA-B-Bomb Lovers the A S-300MPU2 air defense sys to The new 'EVIL-EMPIRE, RAN! Fact; our "International-Smugglers-Grapevine, tell Us That IRAN + SYRIA's Atom-Scientists have pooled, w/Turkey (Saudi, Jordan,Libiya, Egypt..Blessings/help) to Copy-Build their-own Drones & ADSystems, Jets, tanks etc via Super Secret "AL TAQIYAH" MILITARY-ISLAMi-COMPLEX" activitys partly financed via Int'l Underground ECONOMY to sell Islamic made-Hashish, Heroin, Ammo etc w/out KAFFiRs But w/China/N.Korea Help!?
45 | Sally - U.S.A., Thursday Nov 12, 2009
Obama had been friends with Rashid Khalidi for years. He claimed that they were just aquaintances. (Just as he claimed that he sat in Rev. Wright's church for 20 years & never heard the zionism is racism diatribes althought the sermons were prominently displayed on DVD in the church gift shop.) When he was first running for president (seeking the democratic nomination), the views he cited were a recitation of Khalidi which "came to light" after his Cairo speech. Therefore, to suggest that he is unaware does not coincide with his past history.
46 | Ronald USA, Thursday Nov 12, 2009
I've read the articles of Friedman, Klein, and Walt. All of these 'geniuses' have lost their common sense some between their pyloric valve and their anus. #1: It is great for Israel to have the support of the US, but it is not essential. It is quite possible (if not probable) that Israel would fare better without US meddling in their security. #2 These three blowhards do not have to make REAL decisions in the REAL world. Israel would be insane to withdraw from the territory she now occupies and make herself more vulnerable to Arab violence. More lives would be lost - not less.
47 | Edgar, U.S., Thursday Nov 12, 2009
If America is to "cut Israel off," then it should stop all forms of aid to every Muslim country, as well as the "Palestinian authority" (the latter would, of course, collapse at once). Otherwise the U.S. would be actively abetting the global Jihad (if it isn't already), something that is both evil and stupid from a realpolitik standpoint.
48 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Thursday Nov 12, 2009
#36 Terry. Back to your "creepy" point. For some time I have preferred watching political news over entertainment shows. In North America that means watching how the stimulus plan is working instead of how are Brad and Angelina doing. But for the last 10 months every time Obama is on the air, or a Democrat spokesperson is preaching how many jobs "Obama saved", or how spendng a couple of trillion dollars will save the taxpayers money:, I get "creeped out" and change the station.So I agree that Obamas incompetence is mixed with a generous dose of narcissism. The only point of divergence is that I believe that as with the US, Obama's intentions for Israel are misguided, and consequentially harmful, rather than inentionally harmful.
49 | Sally - U.S.A., Thursday Nov 12, 2009
Hypothetically, look at the situation. Let's say, Obama got his "wish": 100% of the west bank (including east Jerusalem & the old city) & Gaza with a rapid train right up the middle of Israel connecting the two & right of return (in some way or another). You have Abdullah making mischief & Mubarak ready to retire with battles over his successor. What guarantees are there that Hamas won't take over the west bank? Or, that fatah won't go into infitatah mode again? Or that the Saudis, Jordan, etc... won't "step in" to "help" the poor Palestinians? Shouldn't this be occuring to Obama?
50 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Thursday Nov 12, 2009
Sally. I read your #45. I'm proud to say you're on my right. But I'm pretty to the right for a Canadian.
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