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Monday Oct 05, 2009
Rosner's Domain: "Palestinians cannot afford to lose the support of the American president"Posted by SHMUEL ROSNER
Comments: 55      Follow Rosner's Domain on Twitter! / Join me on Facebook! Palestinians should trust Obama, writes Ziad Asali, president of the American Task Force on Palestine, in Arab News.Asali is smart and sensible, even when one doesn't agree with his analysis: The Palestinians know they cannot afford to lose the support of the American president, especially since he has called for immediate negotiations on all the issues, including Jerusalem, deemed settlement expansion illegitimate and invited them to work out the terms of reference. This package offers the Palestinians an acceptable way to resume negotiations. Palestinians should continue to insist on a full settlement freeze. However to refuse to negotiate without it will simply mean there will be no negotiations, which cannot conceivably serve Palestinian interest. Their historic doubts about Netanyahu, no matter how justified, should not lead to an impasse they will pay for disproportionately. When Obama asks the Palestinians to put an end to incitement, they should pay attention. It is significant that he found nothing else to ask of them. Outmoded rhetoric in the Arab media may score domestic political points, but comes at a withering cost to the Palestinian cause diplomatically. And for Hebrew readers only: my op-ed in Maariv for this week is here. Bottom line: Israeli officials should be less smug when Obama is failing to achieve his goals. Even when Israel doesn't agree with him, doesn't accept his agenda and doesn't appreciate his policies - Obama is still the President of Israel's best friend. He isn't the enemy.
1 | Sharona Jerusalem Israel, Monday Oct 05, 2009
With "friends" like Obamination who needs enemies? It is very likely that the Palestinians will continue to do what they do best-miss opportunities. Obamination could not tell them to end terror attacks on Israel because Israel has largely already done that. And it is obvious that if Palestinians trust Obamination then Israelis certainly should NOT! This is a no-brainer. And why should a Pali state be "Judenrein"? Maybe Ziad will answer that. I "talkback" to lefties all the time and they never answer that question.
2 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Monday Oct 05, 2009
Rosner - While America is our ally, Obama is most certainly our enemy. Actually, Obama is America's enemy as well. In any case, negotiations with the Palestinians will lead to nothing. You are beating a dead horse by constantly raising this issue. We have nothing to gain from playing this game. Our interest is in changeing the game. We don't need peace, we don't need a Palestinian state, & we don't need the Arabs, not in Israel & not in the territories. Our discussion should be about the tactics & strategy to make Jordan into Palestine.
3 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Monday Oct 05, 2009
So far in his Presidency Obama has done his best to make friends with the Arab/Muslim world. I do not believe that Obama is Machiavellian enough that he wants to further Israel's interests by sucking up to the Muslims. He simply wants to be held in higher regard by the parties he's playing too. My best guess is that when he fails to deliver anything to anybody he will be viewed as a one shot wonder by both sides.
4 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Monday Oct 05, 2009
I might add, Mr Rosner, that you are seemingly stuck in a time-warp, Oslo has infected your thinking, as it has so many here in Israel. Oslo is DEAD. It was a FAILURE, a mistake, a blunder. It is time to move on. This clinging to a failed policy is not just irrational but is a distraction from our real priorities, which, aside from Iran, are primarily domestic. We need political reform, educational reform, economic reform. These are the real priorities, not some BS about a phoney peace process.
5 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Monday Oct 05, 2009
"The Oslo Accords are patently moribund since they were ill-founded and unambiguously destroyed by persistant and egregious Arab violations. This is not a new quote. Violence against Israel actually increased after the signing of the Accords, One of the key elements of the Accords was the signing of the "Letters of Mutual Recognition." Ya right. Arafat's motivation was the loss of his Soviet patrons, and being cut off by the Gulf States for choosing Iraq in the Gulf War. His only goal was to return to the West Bank as the "legitimate" leader. What the Palestinians really want is a bi-national one state solution to suffocate Israel as the Jewish State.
6 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Monday Oct 05, 2009
#5 Mike. The Arabs don't really want a bi-national state - they want OUR state replaced by THEIR state. They want to get rid of us, period. And this is what underlies the attempt to delegitimize our presence here & deny our historical roots in the country. This being the case, all negotiations, talks, agreements, concessions, are totally pointless & ultimately, self-destructive.
7 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Monday Oct 05, 2009
Terry. You're right. I was discussing their means to an end. You cut to the chase and identified their end-game.
8 | Yacov Yosifovitch NYc: GAZA&JERU-StolenByISLAM:632-639-691AD, Tuesday Oct 06, 2009
HISTORY is the Worlds JURY, Judge & Witness! From being called C-A-N-A-A-N-i-T-Es biblically , a/k/a "Low Lifes From Low Lands (Levant Area; as the PHAROHites used to refer to them BAAL worshipers turned ALLAH-aliens) to today by being called PALi-stealians, a/k/a HAMAStians; And now via their BIG-MOUTH "PM ABBAS et al" hath lotLots of HUTZPAH that the Jealousy of the CANAANITES of the West Bank (whom are on stole- lands from Ancient Israel) once ahgain are calling for YEMENiTES & TRibes & CO., to "PALI ize" ot "PALiFY" Our JERUSALEM, in campaigning against JEWIFYing Yirisholium et al"
9 | John R, Tuesday Oct 06, 2009
There are 65 UNSC resolutions against Israel. There would have been 28 more were it not for American vetoes. Three of those 28 called for world economic sanctions against Israel. It is no wonder Obama calls the Israeli settlements illegal. Two International Ct of Justice Rulings (1999 & 2004) said they violate the Fourth Geneva Convention. Four UNSC resolutions also said the same thing as well as two others saying Israeli annexation of East Jerusalem is illegal. Israel signed the Wadi-Araba treaty which comitted it to abide by the UN Charter. The charter requires(continued)
10 | Yacov Yosifovitch: Islam stole the name ya"AL-LAH" from G-D?, Tuesday Oct 06, 2009
These PALi's, a/k/a Ex-BAAL Worshiping Child-Sacrificers & Adult Sacrifices Ancestors, aka C-A-N-A-A-N-i-T-E-s, meaning "Low-Lifes From Low-Lands" as the PHAROAH's of Aegypt rightly called them, have lot's of nerve, in a Global way, to use Their JUDEO-abe-ISLAMIC faith/belief/as-Religion , which They Hijacked (not only Planes) OUR "JUDEO-abe-JU" Religion & the JUDEO-abe-CHRIST Systems & projecting their hidden-BAALism , Jealously disquised as a FRONT, via Judeo-Abe-ISLAM, to STEAL JERUSALEM as pretexts via ya"ALLAH" (a beautiful-name but also stolen from Us SABRA's) ! Peace, Ahimsa, Sholom!
11 | John R, Tuesday Oct 06, 2009
Israel to abide by the rulings of the International Ct of Justice. Israel continues its settlement policy. The Roadmap requires Israel to halt settlement construction including natural growth. Again,Israel continues to build. If Bibi continues his hubris in trying to push Obama around he will at some point put in jeopardy $3 billion in US aid, $7 billion in US load guarantees and current supporting US vetoes in the security council. Israel will then be subject to a world wide embargo it cannot survive. Maybe,before that occurs, rational minds will prevail (and in the process,peace)
12 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Tuesday Oct 06, 2009
#11 What "peace process" are you talking about?
13 | Yacov Yosifovitch: The"AL-TAQIYAH'ists,Al Taqiyahs R'coming!, Tuesday Oct 06, 2009
Becareful the ISLAMIC-UMMAH's secretive & vintriloquising & Cunning "AL TAQIYAH"ists" of the WAHHABi's Elders & Their Nationals or ALlAHaliens Note: The Jealous JUDEO-abe-ISLAMICa/o's want to Control alJUDEO-abe-JUDEO's &JUDEO-abe-CHRISTO's; not to mention also alJudeo-vedic-Hindu's & Judeo-vedic-Bidhhista's.; to Control JERUSALEMs al"TOURISM INDUSTRY(s) Hence More Money than OIL & Drugs combined! So Jealous CANAANITEs via alWAHAHABiBites, besides having KEYS to the KABBA in MECCA & Al AQSA &Gates in JERU; are tryin to Hi-Jack whats not RIGHTLY their INHERITENCE; alSECULAR nor alBiblical?
14 | Attila , USA, Tuesday Oct 06, 2009
The friend of my enemy is my enemy!
15 | Isaac Haskiya - Denmark, Tuesday Oct 06, 2009
The UN and the US are the Arabs´wailing wall. That´s where they go when they cannot have what they want. By political reciprocity, Saoudi and Egypt are the US wailing wall in the Arab World if Islamist terrorism can be fought against and eventually stopped. Israel´s place in all that is exclusive in the sense gthat the Jewish State lives in the midst of the Arab World and not at a distance of 5 to 6000 kilometers.
Whatever the millions or billions Israel receives from the US, its main priority is its own security and Israel knows that it will have to manage without that money. (continued)
16 | matteo d'agostino,italy, Tuesday Oct 06, 2009
i would never trust israel. over the years it has always proved to be elusive, untrustworthy, clever,
and unsincere. always playing a con game. it surprises me that so many support its unlawful works and deeds that cause so much pain and injustice.
17 | Isaac Haskiya - Denmark, Tuesday Oct 06, 2009
Israel will try to manage by expanding its exports mainly in hi-tech in order to fill hole when American financial "assistance" falls. The second aspect is following UN decisiions. How can World Opinion ask Israel to accept such decisions when some 50 Muslim States are members of the UN. Israel is readying itself to say "No" in future. Furthermore how can World Opinion demand Israel not to populate Judea and Samaria (the West Bank) when 1,5 million Arabs live in Israel. Where is the fairness in the deal with Arabs living everywhere and Jews not living in the territory of their heritage?
18 | Jimmy37, New York, Tuesday Oct 06, 2009
Y'Obama is the enemy. As long as the Arabs feel they can do anything they want without consequences, Israel is in grave danger. Arabs aren't getting Jerusalem and they aren't coming back. Hamas will start firing missiles, and so will Hezbollah.
19 | Jay, Tuesday Oct 06, 2009
So many interesting POSTS here.... where do you begin to comment?
ROSNER: please do not think that the Pals need to be friends with Obama either, in fact the lost Clinton, and never ever had Bush on their side.They are only powerful because the Oil rich Jew haters of the world support them.
20 | John R, Tuesday Oct 06, 2009
To #12, The elusive peace I was refering to was advanced by Omert's actions and then subsequently squashed by Lieberman and Netanyahu. Israeli politics have far more to do with its settlement policy than security issues. Either the US establishes the framework for a solution and lets the parties work out the detail or I agree there will never be a meaningful peace process. The result is that Israel can only become more isolated in the world community.
21 | Mike Feldman Canada, Tuesday Oct 06, 2009
#20. Never ceases to amaze me how the protagonists for the Pals think they can advance their points by ommission. The elusive peace advanced by Omert was rejected by Abbas. But you say it was squashed by Leiberman and Netanyahu. I think its a lot more honest to say it was squashed by Abbas. There was a "framework"in the Oslo Accords over 15 years ago that called for mutual recognition. Seems to me that the Palestinians have had a lot of time to think about that one. So lets try another US framework. Bring it on, but everything that was on the table, is off the table. The only way for Israel to not be isolated by the world community, is to be assimilated into the Muslim "'community". Acceptance isn't what its cracked to be.
22 | Softwalker, Canada, Tuesday Oct 06, 2009
To #20, I hope you can tie your shoe laces better than you can read newspapers. Olmert made a proposal which Mahmoud Abbas rejected out of hand. You can verify that by just searching this paper's archives. "Elusive" has more to do with Abbas' blatant duplicity in first rejecting Olmert's offer and then claiming that that's where negotiations with Netanyahu should *begin*. So let's see now ... can you point to any actual proposal made by the PA that doesn't involve wiping Israel off the map?
23 | Mladen Andrijasevic ,Be'er Sheva, Israel, Tuesday Oct 06, 2009
#4, Terry, you are absolutely right, but there is not much you can do. I found in Paul JohnsonÂ’s 'Modern Times' this paragraph about the reaction to George OrwellÂ’s article on the Spanish Civil War: "But when Orwell's exposure appeared in the New English Weekly, it attracted little notice. The intellectuals of the Left did not want to know the objective truth, they were unwilling for their illusions to be shattered". Today, some 72 years later nothing much has changed.
24 | John R, Tuesday Oct 06, 2009
to #21 & #22 I said advanced the cause of peace, I didn't say made peace. The Palestinians objected to the land swap instead of getting the 1967 borders because the Israeli offer rewarded themselves for violating international law. Since virtually the entire world agrees with that assessment perhaps a solution framework must be dictated by the US. Not a single credible IDF general staffer is saying Israel is incapable of defending herself without the settlements( especially from the Palestinians.) I'll let Israel determine the final security arrangements. Why would (continued)
25 | Yacov Yosifovitch O' G-D,forgiveThem-Not,TheyKnowWhatTheyDO!, Tuesday Oct 06, 2009
#14 Atillia:
Keep Ye Friends Close; But Keep Ye "ENEMIES" even Closer!" Said by a FamousPre-Islamic Chinese General!
26 | John R, Tuesday Oct 06, 2009
to #21 & #22( continued) the Palestinians give up their number one core issue(the 1967 borders) and give Israel the only thing they really have to negotiate (recognition w/peace). They would likely give up right of return for enough international money to buy it since recent polls show only 10% even want to go back. The 1967 borders are different. For that Israel must come to terms. Either rely on a 3,000 year old biblical land grant and be a world outcast or trade all the land for peace and join the community of nations. The former is unsustainable.
27 | Isaac Haskiya-Denmark, Tuesday Oct 06, 2009
*16-Matteo: You are insulting the state of Israel! If you had used the same words for a known private person you would have been taken to court: untrustworthy, unsincere, playing a con game, unlawful works and deeds. You seem to live in a world of abstractions out of this world. What about Arab terrorist acts, thousands of rockets, half a dozen wars at least??? What about that kind of reality compared to your moral - and false - abstractions? Think before you speak!
28 | Isaac Haskiya, Tuesday Oct 06, 2009
*20-John: Israel becoming more and more isolated in the world community is an empty argument that has nothing to do with reality. You can take a look at Israeli exports for the last ten years and observe a steady increase. The more Israel puts its foot down and says "No" the more it will be openly and silently respected by some and openly but theatrically criticized by others. This is only political play-acting as the English playwright wisely put it a long time ago "The whole world is a stage" What is Israel´s option between being isolated perhaps and the short-fused powder keg on its belly??
29 | scooper, Tuesday Oct 06, 2009
O: slick and slimy. Yuck.
30 | Mike Feldman Canada, Tuesday Oct 06, 2009
John R. You fancy dancers have a habit of muddling reality. Olmert ädvanced" the cause of peace and Abbas rejected his advance, Where does that leave the Palestinians to-day? Then you create a cocktail shaking up the settlements with the 1967 borders. Why should Israel give anything to the Palestinians to initiate another round of fruitless negotiations? The Arab countries amassed on Israel's borders in 1967 proved that the pre-existing borders were not defensible. If the Arab countries had peaceful intentions it would not have become an issue. Which "community of nations" do you think is worth joining? That might be a club not worth rhe initiation fee.
31 | John R, Tuesday Oct 06, 2009
to #28 In the next 5-10 yrs, the voting age Muslim population in the occupied territories, Gaza and Israel proper will exceed the Jewish voting age population and you will formalize apartheid. Under international law Israel still controls Gaza. Three UNSC resolutions calling for a world wide boycott of Israel would have passed were it not for a US veto. The US did vote for the economic embargo on South Africa under the exact same circumstances.Why exempt Israel? Your settlement policy alone may cause it since the political climate in Washington is changing. Take your head out of the sand.
32 | Mike Feldman Canada, Tuesday Oct 06, 2009
#16 Matteo. If you hadn't have used the word ïsrael"in your blog, I'd swear you were talking about Italy. Ewiva buoni amici di Hitler.
33 | Stuart Creque, USA, Wednesday Oct 07, 2009
"Bottom line: Israeli officials should be less smug when Obama is failing to achieve his goals." Unlike Israel, the US can't oust Obama with a vote of no confidence -- so we and the Israelis have to learn to live with another three years of his "leadership." It behooves Israeli officials to give Obama guideposts out of each predicament he finds himself in -- a face-saving way to regain his footing while *ahem* becoming more closely aligned with Israel's policy goals.
34 | flower LA USA, Wednesday Oct 07, 2009
Everybody knew that the PA Arabs will sabotage talks sooner or later, this is why no one was actually planning to freeze anything other than just wait it out.The PA does not want peace and digs beneath the surface of the earth for accuses to explain why it will not talk.more amd more Israelis have had it with them and will no longer justify their violence and artificial anger.
Obama never knew what he gets himself into.
35 | Jay, Wednesday Oct 07, 2009
there are some wild claims here, ithink people should go back and read some history books. there were no PALS pre 1948, just arabs and they got a country called transJordan. but rejected it, and attacked the jews. the Jews had to flee Jerusalem where they had lived on-going for 2500 years! it was the JEws there for generations upon generations that were kicked out of therr homes when the arabs fired rockets at them from Al Aqsa Mosque.... history is repeating itself, except this time the Jews are powerful..and can defend ourselves..
36 | Shel Zahav, Wednesday Oct 07, 2009
The president of the US is an empty suit. His support is temporary and mostly meaningless.
37 | Isaac Haskiya - Denmark, Wednesday Oct 07, 2009
*31-John: the UNSC, International Law, Boycott, Arab voters...empty words! As a well-informed Israeli I know that Israel considers all of these as secondary risks if any. We have done our bones during the last 60 years. We know what to do as far as international policy is concerned. Read about Liberman´s plans in today´s JP. I might have suggested some of these measures. Appeasment and leniency have not taken us anywhere. There is a change of paradigm, which I also asked for and observed a long time ago, before the elections. My head is not in the sand; yours is simply too far away.
38 | lydia, Wednesday Oct 07, 2009
35 BS! HM King Hussein and his grandfather King Abdullah was offered the return of something like 98% of the territories, they both refused. It was all or nothing. So your tricky lot try to undermine the Kings and 'deal' directly with the Palestinians. Arafat rejected the agreement Clinton and Barak had stitched up, to do so would deny the ror of the Palestinians and give Israel control over their water and sovereignty over their land, sea and air. No Arab/Muslim would accept such a deal, neither will Abbas. Israel as usual has been too smart by half and remains in violation of Int.Law
39 | lydia, Wednesday Oct 07, 2009
36 You are an empty head! To disparage the POTUS because he is trying to solve the mess he inherited as a result of Israel greed, envy and savagery. Obama should cut the umbilical cord and let Israel face the Muslims without US backing. The least one would expect is that the US will stop sheltering Israel and no longer veto numerous resolutions calling for them to abide by agreements they inked. Israel is in violation of more UN resolutions than Saddam ever did and he lost his head. Israel must cease its wanton murder of the Palestinians, whose only fault is that Israel covet their land.
40 | Chris USA, Wednesday Oct 07, 2009
Overall a good article, but one has to ask, "What if Fatah was never interested in statehood to begin with and isn't now?" Where do we go from here?
41 | Hofikoman, Wednesday Oct 07, 2009
For Israelis to gloat over Obama's failures on other fronts is simply ill mannered. The office of American President needs to be respected because the majority of Obama's American right wing critics also incline toward respecting the President of the Day regardless of their distaste for him. Remember the respect shown George W. at his Press Conferences? The domestic antagonism towards Obama is mostly populist resentment for a calculating and conniving ivory tower intellectual. Remember "piggy" in Lord of the Flies? But the left loves intellectuals. Israeli Hasbara can work for right and left
42 | Sally - U.S.A., Wednesday Oct 07, 2009
John R - Concerning The Israeli - Jordanian Peace Treaty, the UN Charter specifically states that Peace treaties take presidence over the UN charter. I read the treaty & your redention is incorrect. When I hear your constant threats that "Israel violates international law" & "it has all these resolutions saying this & that," I think Terry's comment about Orwell's newspeak applies to the UN as well: "where words are emptied of meaning, detached from reference to the real world, distored until they take on the opposite meaning." Indeed, the French president even said that this is the real world
43 | Sally - U.S.A., Wednesday Oct 07, 2009
Not Obama's Virtual World. Lieberman is already doing everthing in his power to make alliences with other countries to combat the Arab world ganging up on Israel. It seems to me, that if the Palestian Arabs do indeed want their own state living side by side with the Jewish State of Israel, then it would be only logical that someone like you would spend your time yelling at Abbas to meet & agree to such past generous offers, instead of threateng Israel.
44 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Wednesday Oct 07, 2009
In 1949 the Israelis agreed to re-patriate 100,000 Jordanian-Palestinians if the Arab states would accept the balance. The Arab states refused, because it would have meant tacit recognition of Israel This followed rejection of the Balfour Declaration, the White Paper, riots, and murdering of Jews. From 1948, 800,000 to 1 million Jews have been expelled from Arab countries. Most of the Jews were forced to abandon their property, valued at some $300 billion. The real estate abondoned by the Jews is 4 times the size of Israel. This was a deliberate policy of the Arab League. CONT
45 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Wednesday Oct 07, 2009
CONT. The Arab/Palestinians have done nothing but start wars and reject every negotiation for peace that has come their way since the 1920's. Yet its about what their preconditions are to have civil dialogue with Israel. Give this, give that and don't forget repararations for the Palestinians. Most of the demands are so outlandish, that if something vaguely resembling a workable idea comes along, it sou"peacends like a major concession. Simple fact. The Arabs did not want to peacefully co-exist with Israel then, and they do not want to now. Those who blog about what Israel needs to do to get the peace process moving may as well bark at the moon.
46 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Wednesday Oct 07, 2009
#31. Although not directly addressed, I guess you can figure what I think of your accusation of Israel apartheid. In terms of Arabs and Jews, the Arabs invented apartheid.
47 | lydia, Thursday Oct 08, 2009
Any one with one neuron more than a gibbon's knows it will end badly. Since this Gollum was spawned by the Int.Community and foisted onto the ME it is this organization that must solve the problem. The Saudis and the Iranians want you gone, the Muslims routed the Crusaders and it's folly to believe that with/without US involvement they won't do the same to your illegal occupation. If you don't obey Int. law and vacate their land there WILL be war! The US is then left with one of two options, let you sink or to the rescue a la 1973. Already mired in wars you started, my bet is on the first.
48 | Gerry ,Australia, Friday Oct 09, 2009
Israel will never acheive the peace and security for itself unless it truly recognises the right of the Palestinians to acheive the creation of their own homeland completely independent from any Jewish Military control,reverse the situation and you might just find Jewish suicide bombers blowing themselves up just to kill ARABS ,could you ever imagine that !,Operation Cast Lead did nothing to help Israel acheive greater security for itself,instead if further impoverished Palestinians lives which only added fuel to the fire in terms of spreading extremist islamic propaganda and anti semetic hatred
49 | Tony L, Tuesday Oct 13, 2009
Yes, Palestinians can afford to loose support of the US president Obama. They have so far not had any support from any US President and the situation has not changed since the birth of Israel. Every US president has been bought by Israeli or jewish lobby to favor with illegal land grab and occupation. So nothing will change and soon after some more frustration, Palestinian children will start another round of suicide bombings that Israel prefers. Gives Israel the reason to kill hundreds Palestinians. Slowly wiping out the Palestinian population.
50 | Elijah,India, Wednesday Oct 14, 2009
to lydia ,Gerry and Tony L
Jews have always been hated for the high crime of continuing to exist,in a world that has been by and large inimical to their presence.With the creation of Israel the Jew-haters of the world got a whipping boy to encapsulate their hatred for the Jews..There were many more like you in the past and there will be many more like you in the future-some would come to power like Hitler did;while others would be forced to venting their anger at any who will hear.However,the fact remains that the Jews will outlast them all.
Now,crawl back under the rock where you belong.
51 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Wednesday Oct 14, 2009
Tony L. Could you estimate a time frame of how long it will take Israel to "wipe out" the Palestinian population as expressed in your #49.
#50. Elijah. Brilliantly stated.
52 | lydia, Thursday Oct 15, 2009
50 Elijah, It's nothing to do with loving/hating jews it has to do with jews trying to con intelligent people that today's jews are blood relations to the Biblical jews, that a mythical God gave est. European Khazar pagans rights to a land that was for 2000Y ruled by Arabs. That God made 'jews' the 'chosen ones' so they need not obey laws. That despite their unilaterally declared jewish state res.181 the World should turn its back on the plight of the Palestinians who are being slaughtered daily because Israel covet their land and It's folly to think 'jews' will outlast 2bil. Muslims.
53 | lydia, Thursday Oct 15, 2009
51 Mike, do your own maths. Hitler ran out of bullets but Israel keeps getting brand spanking US helicopter gunships, armed with white phosphorus, dime missiles and cluster bombs to murder defenseless women and children. In 32days over Christmas you slaughtered and maimed some4000 of the 1.5mil unarmed civilians you corralled in the Gaza ghetto. Mate, they are only the unfortunate ones simply caught up in your savage blood lust, in the grand scheme of things it's the 2bils angry Muslims worldwide, who you can't ignore, you should be worried about. Wouldn't swap places with you for quids.
54 | Mike C. USA, Thursday Oct 15, 2009
Palestinians are not interested in statehood. If they were, they would simply recognize Israel's right to exist and want what is best for their citizens. Instead, wave after wave of rockets are fired blindly into Israel as the UN stands back and accuses Israel of starting it. When Israel strikes back, its always the INNOCENT Palestians that show up on the State Run US media outlets crying and whaling in agony. Never mind the 2000 terrorists that cower behind Palestian human shields or the green helmet guy that died twice; or was it 3 times?
55 | lydia, Thursday Oct 15, 2009
54 If you weren't in illegal occupation of their land they wouldn't be lobbing rockets, when they have grads missiles. The IOF used to strafe Assad's Palace with supersonic jets until Russia gave him some anti aircraft missiles. The US veto let Israel steal Palestinian land, bulldoze their homes, uprooted their trees and subjugated their people. and murder women and children. Now Iran has hitched it's rising star to the Palestinian's cause thus exposing the Arabs inability to do what Hamas/Hizbuallah has done ie staunch Israels expansionism across ME land and expose Israel as mass murderers.
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