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Wednesday Sep 09, 2009
Rosner's Domain: On the way to Salafi rule in Gaza?Posted by SHMUEL ROSNER
Comments: 30      Follow Rosner's Domain on Twitter!!! Interesting article - by Barak Mendelsohn, writing for Foreign Affairs: Hamas gradually found itself exposed to many of the same accusations it had previously directed at the Palestinian Authority. Jihadi organizations, particularly al Qaeda, criticized Hamas' willingness to join a democratic political process, which they perceived as contradicting Islam. This criticism increased after Hamas gained complete control over Gaza in June 2007. Salafis had hoped to implement sharia law in Gaza and were outraged when Hamas declared -- in an effort to assuage local fears and to project a moderate image to the international community -- that it would not do so. To Palestinian salafis, this was the ultimate betrayal. Indeed, in his last sermon, Moussa said that Hamas' authority to govern was tied to its willingness to implement sharia, and he warned that without it Hamas is no more than a secular party using the slogans of Islam.And the conclusion: Hamas may soon find that its attempt to prevent the unification of the diverse salafi groups in Gaza around Moussa and his emirate could lead these groups to coalesce around his memory. Among many Palestinian Islamists, the killing of Moussa and his followers was a declaration of war and a sign that Hamas is seeking to annihilate them. Even those salafi followers who believed in a quiet, more passive struggle may now adopt more active and potentially violent resistance against the Hamas regime. Although Hamas' power remains superior to anything the salafis -- or even Fatah -- may conjure up, it is now faced with another threat to its already embattled regime.
1 | ina-scotland, Wednesday Sep 09, 2009
And the nations of the world expect people like that to assimulate into their country?
2 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Wednesday Sep 09, 2009
Can't Obama solve all these problems with his peace plan?
3 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Thursday Sep 10, 2009
#2 Mike. Right, he'll make another speech. Maybe his plan is to bury them in BS, or maybe to just bore them to death. My analysis leads me to believe that he intends to make them die laughing - after all, Obama is quite a comedian, all of his ideas are a big joke.
4 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Thursday Sep 10, 2009
Mainstream ''normative'' Islam is extremist. When you say someone is a ''moderate Muslim'' what you are really saying is that this person is not following the principles of his religion 100%. Having said that, there is apparently no limit to the extremism fostered by this ideology - you have only to look at the Taliban as an example. Since these lunatics & crazies believe that the Qurán etc. cannot be changed, that their reward is in the afterlife, they care nothing for consequences in this world. Basically, they are not rational players - it's a mental illness.
5 | dennis snapper netanya, Thursday Sep 10, 2009
oh my lord. Israekl may not have to fight another war with the arabs. I think that they are qualified enough to kill themselves off if we just give them some more time. Come on hamasniks do your thing. Kill everyone you can,. and then we ll finish the job and wipe all you scum off the earth.
6 | GOLDEN NUGGET Australia, Thursday Sep 10, 2009
MIKE & TERRY...problem?...what problem?...there aint no problem...just NATURE TAKING ITS COURSE...the Islam Passion of muslim killing and subverting muslim...muslims self destructing
...its WRITTEN IN THE STARS...so it is written..so shall it be...
7 | GOLDEN NUGGET Australia, Thursday Sep 10, 2009
MIKE & TERRY...problem?...what problem?...there aint no problem...just NATURE TAKING ITS COURSE...the Islam Passion of muslim killing and subverting muslim...muslims self destructing
...its WRITTEN IN THE STARS...so it is written..so shall it be...
8 | Daran, UK, Thursday Sep 10, 2009
Hamas needs to conduct its own "hunting season" like nascent Israel to remove the worse elements.Prehaps a unity PA gov will see Dayton's "Gendarmes" in Gaza take on these groups with intel if not operatives of Hamas directing them. These plastic jihadis have no interest in the Palestinian people and their national aspirations. Terry's view that muslims who are'nt extreme do'nt follow their religion 100% may or may not be true, wonders if the people who justify acts like Baruch Goldstien think they are 100% jews?
9 | Mireille, Paris, Thursday Sep 10, 2009
Islam is not extremist. Judaism, I mean classical Judaism, is far more extremist than Islam.
Jews and Christians and others lived and continue to live under Islam in peace.
But look how Israel treats non-Jews in the Holy land?
In fact, there are many Jews, including rabbis, e.g. Chabad, who don't even recognize the mere humanity of non-Jews.
10 | American, Thursday Sep 10, 2009
Hamas is a responsible movement, it wouldn't allow these nihilists to get stronger.
Without Hamas, the Palestinian cause would be liquidated.
11 | Yair, USA, Thursday Sep 10, 2009
Terry,
What you said also accurately describes evangelical Christians:
They "believe that the Qurán [or Christian Bible] etc. cannot be changed, that their reward is in the afterlife, they care nothing for consequences in this world."
That is an exact description of evangelical Christianity. So are they crazy too? Just curious. Seems like an awfully wide brush you are using.
12 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Thursday Sep 10, 2009
#11 Yair, USA. I haven't seen many Evangelical Christians flying into tall buildings lately. Nor are they responsible for somewhere around 13,000 other terrorist attacks world-wide. Nor is there anything in Christian dogma that even vaguely resembles the concept of Jihad. Nor would any objective person favourably compare Mohammed with Jesus. I am certainly no Christian & disagree with many aspects of Christianity of any variety (in a theological sense) but there is no reason to make false comparisons nor to malign Evangelicals in any way.
13 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Thursday Sep 10, 2009
#10. Ya. liquidated in favour of an independant state. Hamas is the roadblock, but is losing the trust of the people. If there were an election to-dy they'd be gone and they know it. Their main goal now is to misapropriate international aid sent to their constituents.
#9. What exactly does "Jews and Christians and others lived and continue to live UNDER Islam in peace"?
14 | Sam, Thursday Sep 10, 2009
#11 Yair, what tree did you fall out of? While it's true we Christians believe the Bible doesn't change and that our reward is in the afterlife, we do believe there are consequences for what we all do in this world and we care a great deal about that. Where did you get the idea that we don't? The ACLU? Al Jazeera? OBAMA???? Before you spout off about something you obviously know NOTHING about, you may want to do a little research. AND, Christians have no desire to kill themselves to kill others nor are we looking for 70-some virgins/wine in the afterlife (such lofty goals!).
15 | TrailBlazer, Norway, Thursday Sep 10, 2009
#11 - what utter nonsense; - that could be nothing of what Terry indicates; for certain: there will never be found a Christian suicide bomber; life is sacred - from inception until natural death - that brings conservative Christians world wide in conflict with liberality like abortion. But - related to Islam governance like it's practise is sought - we need to compare with Protestant Lutheran and Calvinist teaching of two Kingdoms - wherein "Calvins city" of a God-fearing, law-abiding Republic-city with strict habits and customs was APART from state, actually a guide to state ..cont..
16 | TrailBlazer, Norway, Thursday Sep 10, 2009
cont)..and not necessarily above state (has nothing to do with apartheid..). But even Calvin - like Hamas today and in quite a different setting - needed to be reminded that man is a creature of freedom and nothing of coercion is acceptable. The problem with Islam as opposed to Judaism and Christianity is that barrier to coercion is not built into the system of faith itself - so you never find the arts and sciences in harmony with faith and a strong belief. That's the reverse side of system of holism like Islam.
17 | muslim, Thursday Sep 10, 2009
in this world there is perhaps...1% Jews,Christians and Muslims that follow their religion 100%....And this 1% does not know what extremism,arrogance and hatred are...to follow one's religion 100% means that God fills 100% of your heart...those who try to keep the 1000 laws of their religion want to be perfect and generally are arrogant and hate others...the racists amongst the 99% left of Jews,Christians and Muslims can bark at each other as much as they want.God saves who he wants and not who the Jews,Christians and Muslims want...
18 | LK, Geneva, Switzerland, Friday Sep 11, 2009
Read the book entitled "The Hag''. It is not a great piece of history or literature but it correctly nails the ultimate flaw of the Arab/Islam ethos -a total lack of loyalty and trust endemic in families, institutions and the larger culture - this is the reason why they will end up butchering not the Jews or Christians, but each other. The scene in Gaza is a harbinger of things to come; as this century ages the true danger is a nuclear spat between our Arab "brothers".
19 | LK, Geneva, Switzerland, Friday Sep 11, 2009
Read the book entitled "The Hag''. It is not a great piece of history or literature but it correctly nails the ultimate flaw of the Arab/Islam ethos -a total lack of loyalty and trust endemic in families, institutions and the larger culture - this is the reason why they will end up butchering not the Jews or Christians, but each other. The scene in Gaza is a harbinger of things to come; as this century ages the true danger is a nuclear spat between our Arab "brothers".
20 | David W. Lincoln, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada, Friday Sep 11, 2009
There are various packs of wolves who need to be dealt with. Either they follow the example of Tass Saada, and others who left Islam for the Christian faith tradition, or they stay Muslim and expunge the worst aspects of Arab culture. Because I have yet to see anything from the Sons of Allah which continuously protect the property rights of all.
21 | Jonah in Jamaica, Friday Sep 11, 2009
#9 Mireille: You have done it again. You cannot resist making unfounded accusations against Israel and Jews. How does Israel treat non-Jews in the Holy Land? Israel is the only country in the Middle East which has complete freedom of religion. Come to Israel and see for yourself all of the mosques and churches and Bahai temple and other religious groups praying in their own way, to their own concept of god in their own temples. I'm sure you couldn't mean its better in Egypt where Copts are discriminated against and killed, or Saudi Arabia where a single church is not permitted.
22 | Jonah in Jamaica, Friday Sep 11, 2009
#9 Mireille continued: Your comment about many Jews, Chabbad, etc. not even recognizing the mere humanity of non-Jews is also misplaced. For example, did you know that many Jewish organizations contribute large sums of money to non Jewish charities. A few days ago there was a J Post article about Rabbi Steven Shaw who has moved from the USA to Israel to aid the Bedouin population.Should I mention all of the money I have contributed to non Jewish causes over the years? Please try to limit your expressions of unfounded hostility.
23 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Friday Sep 11, 2009
#21/22 Jonah in Jamaica. Mireille has volunteered to test her assumption that Jews & Christians live in peace under Islam. First, she is going to Saudi Arabia to lead a Christian prayer meeting. When she is released from prison, she will go to Egypt where she will lead a demonstration for Copts. When she is released from prison, she will go to Iraq to defend Assyrian Christians & if she is not murdered, will continue on to Pakistan to distribute Bibles. Should she survive, it's on to Iran. After being raped & beaten in prison, she will continue on to Gaza to open a Christian bookstore.
24 | GOLDEN NUGGET Australia, Friday Sep 11, 2009
#23 Terry..hate to correct you but she'll never make it to Egypt Iraq Pakistan or Iran..she'll never leave
Saudi Arabia the personification and the heart and soul of Islam..who she will be "insulting"....No Mr
Good Guys there...nope...Leave Saudi Arabia? FAT CHANCE...psst...they keep their swords VERY
sharp...
25 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Friday Sep 11, 2009
#24 GOLDEN NUGGET. Actually, she doesn't have to leave France. Every major city has ''no-go'' zones where French Christians are not welcome, where ''youths'' riot, burn cars, & engage in every possible criminal activity. Let Mireille hang out in some Paris suburb, unveiled, wearing a short skirt & a revealing top, & pass out some Christian literature. Let's see how long she lasts.
26 | GOLDEN NUGGET Australia, Friday Sep 11, 2009
#25 Terry...perish the thought!!...actually its not the short skirt & revealing top to worry about but her
"unveiled" kisser...judging from the "profile" of her posts..that S.O.B. has one ugly repulsive kisser which may be too much even for her muslim "co-citizens" and may very well SAVE her..
27 | Daran, UK, Friday Sep 11, 2009
Terry could Mirelle, dress and act in way you suggested in parts of Jerusalem ? I think you know the answer, does that means jews are to be considered in the light of the actions of the residents of Mea Shearim. as for no go areas for xians in france, could you tell the where the suburb/region is in france which is 100% muslim? what of the xians who live next door in these no go area's you describe? Try not to let your religious convictions cloud your mind to reality.
28 | Mike Feldman Canada, Friday Sep 11, 2009
Nasty guys. I met Mirielle once and she was not wearing a viel. However I did insist that she place a bag over her head. This was during her past career when she was servicing the lusty Jewish men she referred to in one of her earlier posts. Fortunately for the seeing world, she has discovered Islam and covers her face all the time..She still likes to let her puppies out though.
29 | John S. Hancock, Friday Sep 11, 2009
The illegal blockade of Gaza is an illegal act of war, a morally unjustifiable collective punishment of 1.5 million people. Israel is the roadblock to peace as always. See Avi's new book "Israel and Palestine" most illuminating.
30 | andy-london, Friday Sep 11, 2009
#9 did you come out of an asylum as I laughed at your utter rubbish about the jews? Go and meet some normal people instead of spouting that islamic rubbish.
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