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Monday Sep 21, 2009
Rosner's Domain: "Obama's door is open to advisors who want to break with Israel"Posted by SHMUEL ROSNER
Comments: 23      Steve Rosen writes: There is yet one more wild card in all of this: Obama's door is open to advisors who want to break with Israel. Many on the left of the Democratic Party believe that Israel is the obstacle to peace and that a breakthrough could be achieved if Obama just twisted Israel's arm. Of course, this was always the view of some of the storied Arabists in the State Department, but today, it comes more influentially from Jewish American critics of Israeli policy who depict themselves as pro-Israel and pro-peace. Faced with the reality that only the 3 percent of Israelis who vote Meretz share such views, and that the dovish camp led by Yossi Beilin has no prospect of winning an election in the actual Jewish state, the Beilinist Israeli left has moved to Washington. Their goal is to lobby the U.S. president to "save Israel from herself" by imposing terms on Israel that the great majority of Israelis would reject.
1 | David Columbia, Maryland USA, Monday Sep 21, 2009
The premise of this particular blog post is horse manure! No one in the Obama cabinet has suggested that a break be made with Israel! While Israel and the United States share a lot of things in common, they are in fact separate countries with separate needs and agendas. Fortunately for Israel there are still many Jews and Christians in the United States who promote the views of the Israeli government. Nonetheless, it is reasonable to be critical of counterproductive policies on the part of the Israeli government as long as it is done with mutual respect.
2 | Tom, US, Monday Sep 21, 2009
The fact that people know that Israel is the obstacle to peace should come as no surprise. Any time there was even a hint of peace, Israel took actions to make certain that the door shut.
3 | andy, Monday Sep 21, 2009
Obama is truly showing his true colours Too bad Israel stays .If russia,china all islamist nutters want peace in the middle east get the pallis back to jordan.the sinai and of course the desert as their forefather Ishmael is calling them!!Isaac's seed inherits ALL the nation of caanan right down to the Euphrates as an inheritance F O R E V E R .So #1and 2 hard luck.Go scream into your madrasses.and ask your mad clerics to screech as well YOU'll NEVER GET ISRAEL.
4 | John S. Hancock, Monday Sep 21, 2009
Israel will reject any reasonable settlement because it's not interested in reaching a comprehensive agreement which would result in either East Jerusalem becoming the capital of a Palestinian state or see the end of the land theft taking place on the West Bank. Israel, itself just another settlement from 1948, doesn't want to give up the colonies it began creating after the Six Day War.
5 | andy, Monday Sep 21, 2009
#oh hello pretend inhuman rights activist #4 I see you lot are now talking about genocide.Were you meaning the genocide in Darfur by your peaceful islamic brothers in the sudan on the christians? Oh you cant surely mean your palli brothers? .Now lets see [by your very own pallis estimation] there was 1.2million of your pallis in the 70's and are now 3.6 million."Oh my what a genocide" about 1,ooo dead [keeping in mind your hamas v fatah killing each other] really terrible I must say.Now you want tiny Israel for your "tiny islamic nations".?GO BACK TO TRUTH YOU LOT.but you cant.
6 | John S. Hancock, Monday Sep 21, 2009
The Palestinians have been forced to endure ethnic cleansing, both dispossession and occupation for over sixty-one years ever since the founding of Israel in 1948. In "andy's" warped mind two or more wrongs make a right. Do yourself a favor Andrew get an education, perhaps a GED a high school equivalency could help you in your situation. Best of luck to you.
7 | Duncan Lennox ,Canada, Monday Sep 21, 2009
It appears that the Israel Lobby is still behind the curtain & able to pull the strings. eg. Obama has just cancelled Bush`s Euro missle defense shield for 1 in the Mediteranean that will protect Israel from Iran. This ,of course, is at US tax payers expense.The new system saves US$ but that is never a concern for Israel. eg. As in invading Iraq at the behest of Wolfowitz,Perle,Feith,Wurmser, Edelman,et al ; all AIPACers in key Pentagon slots to create the lies needed to rev up US public support. Support that was lacking in non-AIPAC countries. Maybe Obama sees 60 yrs of persecution of Pal`s
8 | Sally - U.S.A., Monday Sep 21, 2009
How many very generous offers of settlement did Ehud Barak make? Didn't Olmert make a very, very generous offer of settlement? The problem with Obama is that maybe as a "student of history" he should study a bit more history. It is plain to see that his "Cairo Speech" did more harm than good. As for Rosen, maybe he should appreciate the break that he received instead of exasperating the situation. Also, I see a few of our fellow travelers have taken up Osama bin Laden's book list recommendations.
9 | andy, Monday Sep 21, 2009
#6 tell me this Why do the kindly ethnic cleansed palistinians kill each other? Who does allah reward hamas or fatah?,and why do the ethnic cleansed pallis prefer an Israeli hospital to their own when their sick?I saw a documentary about it and for so called people who are sccccared of the bad Israelis why go to people that would kill them.? Tell me #6 how many Israelis has your pallis helped?Why dont they free gilad the young israeli soldier? Is he alive? what are the so called inhuman rights doing about it?You cant answer 1 question can you as all you know is untruths.
10 | John S. Hancock, Tuesday Sep 22, 2009
Fatah could never accept the fact that its corrupt government was rejected by the Palestinian people in the 2006 elections. It's Fatah that's primarily at fault for the divide between the Palestinians. Also Fatah planned,along with the Israelis and Americans under General Dayton, to overthrow the duly elected Hamas led government.Palestinian hospitals are limited by the Israelis as to what medical equipment they have and the proceedures they're able to perform. Also some hospitals in Israel generously and courageously serve Palestinian patients. Free Gilad and all Palestinian prisoners.
11 | Giora Me'ir USA, Tuesday Sep 22, 2009
Uh, no Mr. Rosen. They are trying to formulate an Obama administration policy regarding Israel. You know, the candidate who got 53% of the vote. To the extent that progressive Jewish Americans are involved in that, it is based on their view of the U.S. national interest, not Israel's. Not every Jew in the U.S. operates from your priority, which is the reverse.
12 | Giora Me'ir USA, Tuesday Sep 22, 2009
Uh, no Mr. Rosen. They are trying to formulate an Obama administration policy regarding Israel. You know, the candidate who got 53% of the vote. To the extent that progressive Jewish Americans are involved in that, it is based on their view of the U.S. national interest, not Israel's. Not every Jew in the U.S. operates from your priority, which is the reverse.
13 | andy, Tuesday Sep 22, 2009
well john at least you were courageous enough to tell some real facts ie.regarding fatah and the hospital admissions to ALL groups in the israeli hospitals. Regarding hamas I watched one of their videos { hamas kills palistinians ]and these young pallis were thrown of roofs by hamas murderers.I dont care much for their leaders OR their cause,but I REALLY felt for these youngsters. For goodness sake you'd need to have some hard heart , they were only kids.SO is gilad he's only a kid too and yet Israel offered 100's of pallis for 1 boy.I dont trust hamas .
14 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Tuesday Sep 22, 2009
John S. The Palestinian people don't need to look to hard for corrupt governments. Hamas is clinging to power now to re-distrubute financial aid sent to the people of Gaza. Their actions precipitating Cast Lead were totally irresponsible for a government elected with the primary purpose of assuring the safety and well-being of its citizens Hamas will delay future elections because they know that 2006 was a one-timer, and they are totally out of favor with the people of Gaza. If Fatah is responsible for the divide between Palestinians, and the Palestinians are in agreement with Hamas, they will never have a country. Do you equate Gilad with all Palestinian prisioners? Isn't that paying ransom for terrorists?
15 | John S. Hancock, Tuesday Sep 22, 2009
Mike Feldman is a shill for Israel for him the facts and truth don't matter. Hamas has a well deserved reputation for not being corrupt. Avi Shlaim proves you wrong about who initiated hostilities in Gaza through his new book "Israel and Palestine." Israel's "Operation Cast Lead" was a demonstration of state sponsored terrorism. The Israelis are the worst terrorists in the entire region. There's thousands of Palestinian like Gilad in Israeli prisons.
16 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Wednesday Sep 23, 2009
#15 Although I am not a shill for Israel, I am proud to be called one by you. You and Avi Shlaim are shills for the Palestinians. I guess everbody's got to have shills. Avi Shlaim stated that the "Palestinians had a strong national movement under Grand Mufti Hajj Amin al-Husseini. al-Husseini was a Jew hating murdering butcher who aided and abetted the Germans in deporting Jews to the gas chambers. Don't throw Sharon crap at me, al-Husseini preceeded him, 181 and the later Israeli-Arab conficts. His only motivation was to kill Jews. Pick your side if you want to, but save your righteous Palestinians crap for someone who's buying it.
17 | andy, Wednesday Sep 23, 2009
no johnny boy there's not thousands of pallis like gilad in prison. Gilad was kidnapped and has NEVER been heard of since.He wasn't in gaza planting bombs and killing innocent settlers.He was at an outpost as an ordinary young soldier [not a terrorist ] doing his job .Answer me this Who do you think values human life more when you have an Israeli premier offering an exchange of 100 pallis for 1 boy soldier?Why didn't hamas agree to this?Why aren't the inhuman rights looking into this instead of screeching AT MARCHES for terrorists rights?WHERE IS GILAD?
18 | Duncan Lennox Canada, Wednesday Sep 23, 2009
To#16 Mike Feldman,
Mike ,you keep harping on the Mufti trying to connect/blame the holocaust on Pal`s thru him & thus villify the Pal`s. You are not a schill but you have the typical Zionist blindspot (or at least claim to have) & can not admit that the Zionists carried out the ethnic cleansing of Pal`n starting in 1948 & continue it to this day.eg Hoping via persecution the rest of them will give up & leave THEIR country. The Pal`s have been made desparate & hopeless by this continuous persecution & are responding whatever way they can. Zions want peace after the last Pal is transferred
19 | GOLDEN NUGGET Australia, Thursday Sep 24, 2009
#17...yep...as to GILAD...the whole world is BLIND DEAF & DUMB...its not just about Gilad it Is about
Gilad the JEW..and historacally the whole world's continued and continuing HATRED of all things to do with Judaism Jews and Israel. Given the world's cowardly fear of Islam the world has become more vocal abusive and offensive towards Jews and Israel in order to appease Islam and to buy insurance against terrorism by Islam.
20 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Thursday Sep 24, 2009
Duncan. I am not trying to connect the Mufti to the Holocaust. The Palestinian Mufti started murdering Jews in Jerusalem in the 1920's. He collaborated with the N-z- during WW2. He hoped to implement the Final Solution in the Middle East. He was not motivated by events subsequent to 1947. You would like it to appear that the Palestinians are innocent peace loving people who are victimized by the "Zions". I say that if Israel did not have the strength to subdue its opponents, Israel would not exist. When I see that references to ethnic cleansing and persecution have ceased, I will cease to menttion the antagonists who sought to destroy Israel before it had a chance to exist
21 | cassandra, Thursday Sep 24, 2009
Obama certainly gives the impression he doesn't support Israel with his UN comments about the 67 year occupation of Palestine and a "contiguous border" between Gaza and the West Bank disregarding Israels legitimate claims agreed to following Arab-Israeli War, a term of propaganda. 'Sounds like dividing Israel to me. How is this supporting Israel? Could one of his advisor be former colleague Prof. Khalidi or Hamas?
22 | cassandra, Friday Sep 25, 2009
Obama certainly gives the impression he doesn't support Israel with his UN comments about the 67 year occupation of Palestine and a "contiguous border" between Gaza and the West Bank disregarding Israels legitimate claims agreed to following Arab-Israeli War, a term of propaganda. 'Sounds like dividing Israel to me. How is this supporting Israel? Could one of his advisor be former colleague Prof. Khalidi or Hamas?
23 | cassandra, Friday Sep 25, 2009
Obama certainly gives the impression he doesn't support Israel with his UN comments about the 67 year occupation of Palestine and a "contiguous border" between Gaza and the West Bank disregarding Israels legitimate claims agreed to following Arab-Israeli War, a term of propaganda. 'Sounds like dividing Israel to me. How is this supporting Israel? Could one of his advisor be former colleague Prof. Khalidi or Hamas?
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