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Wednesday Mar 25, 2009
Rosner's Domain: Netanyahu forces Obama into disputePosted by SHMUEL ROSNER
Comments: 82 Barack Obama has already said yesterday that "It is critical for us to advance a two-state solution where Israelis and Palestinians can live side by side in their own states with peace and security." Not that anyone would expect anything else from the President of the US. Anyway, I wrote an article this morning for Israel's Maariv (that's my Hebrew gig), and I'll share with you a translation of one paragraph, on the same topic (note: I'm smarter than you might have thought. This was written before Obama made his statement): [Netanyahu's] refusal to use the word "two" in the same sentence with the word "states" embarrasses the administration, it is a burden. If chances for breakthrough in the peace process with the Palestinians seem quite slim, if administration officials understand that barriers are high and opportunities rare, all the US can hope for and ask for is one thing: keep this front quiet... Netanyahu's contrarian refusal ignites unnecessary noise. It draws fire... He makes it difficult for them to quietly agree with him, essentially forces them into dispute. Unnecessary dispute.
1 | Ronald USA, Wednesday Mar 25, 2009
Rosner, I think the slant you take to make your point is biased against Netanyahu. I think Netanyahu's constituency wants him to take a stand against a two-state solution at this time. The Palestinians are not ready. Why should Netanyahu change his beliefs because they are not the same as Obama's? On Obama's part, his statement bodes turbulence ahead, but no one should be surprised. A quarrel has been expected. Obama thinks that Israel should be pressured into territorial withdrawals, dividing Jerusalem, etc, which Netanyahu opposes. This fight may be the good fight; it may be necessary.
2 | dave Jerusalem, Wednesday Mar 25, 2009
Truth in the open is more important than hidden truth. Let the world know that two states side by side in peace (unless it is Israel and Jordan) will not be the results of peace with the so-called Palestinians.
3 | Donald, Japan, Wednesday Mar 25, 2009
Would anyone listen to advice coming from a person they cannot trust...No! So why then should Netanyahu listen to Obamanation. Obamanation has a slick tongue and oily words, but he is egotistical, arrogant and has psychopathic inclinations. America seeks a two-state solution to make things easier for itself, not because it has the best intersts of Israel in mind. Listen to what the obamantion has to say, but do not neci\essarily do what he asks.
Israels hope and trust is not in the plans and ideals of men, but in Addonai our creator alone.
Heear what the Spirit has to say!
4 | STEVEN US, Wednesday Mar 25, 2009
LOOKING AT THE RELIGIOUS ROOTS OF THIS ISSUE , NO TWO-STATES SOLUTION IS POSSIBLE/ARABS WILL CONTINUE TO BE COMMANDED BY ISLAM-SHARIA LAWS,WHICH IMPLIES THE DESTRUCTION OF ISRAEL/IRRESPECTIVE OF WHOM THE REFUSAL COMES FROM , IT IS MADNESS TO THINK IN A REAL TWO-STATES SOLUTION/OBAMA IS SO DISORIENTED AS ADAN IN MOTHER´S DAY/ISRAEL CANNOT LIVE IN PEACE WITH TERRORIST NEIGHBOURS.PERIOD-/THESE CRAZY MUSLIMS WON´T STOP THEIR BILLONAIRE BLOODY BUSINESS/IRAN IS IN CHARGE OF FUNDING THEM/THEY NOT ONLY WANT TO DESTRY ISRAEL BUT THEY ALSO WANT TO DOMINATE DE WORLD/OBAMA HAS TO BE BLIND NOT TO SEE THIS-
5 | Nachman, Wednesday Mar 25, 2009
I am disappointed that Natanyahu did not form a coalition with the National Union instead of with Labour. He would have had a majority of 10 without Labour. Although I can understand his position relevant to the world authorities' posturings and demands and as confirmed by his own wishes to make a peace agreement with the Arabs living in EY, the fact remains that the world authorities themselves are obliged to support fully,exclusively and unconditionally the absolute right of all
Jews of the world to live in EY.
6 | S.J.J., Wednesday Mar 25, 2009
Arabs and Muslims all over the world are killing their own peoples does this world expect them to live in peace with Israel? Are the peoples we are living with living in cloud-cuckoo-land or in the aspiration
cloud?
There is nothing more desirable than to live with Muslims in peace and prosperity but when they kill their own it is impossible.
7 | Yakov Yosifovitch, NYC, All Leader's should take a "mtDNA", Wednesday Mar 25, 2009
2-Things: 1; Any National LEADERSHIP(s) { be them theocratics, Monarchics or SECULARists} on this Holyi Cosmic NEBULA-BUiLT Space-Ship Earth(s) of many; must educate themselves on the 3-Three Major Religions [Tenach/Bibles-Judeo-Ju/Christs, Quran/Koran-Judeo Islamics, Geeta/Tripitaka-Judeo Hindu & Judeo-Buddhists respectfully] Or else Leaders will never-see what OURG-D means, not what 'MY-Allah' attitude sees or says! AND 2: All Leaders of any Nation (be it Saudi'-Theocrats, Syrian/Jordan/English-Monarchs or U.S., Euro, Israeli-Secularist) must take a "mtDNA" Test. Obama, Netanyahu, Mullahs
8 | Tova - Toronto Canada, Wednesday Mar 25, 2009
Netanyhu & Obama will be a relationship with many conflicts. Obama will not recognize the reality of the middle east. Netanyhu is much too experienced for Obama...It is unfortunate.....their relationship will be very tense....I doubt any progress will be made....Obama is young & extremely stubborn and too protected...Netanyhu like Israel has been doing this for too many centuries...Obama will not realize his serious mistakes...it will too late.. The United States is headed for a great fall.
9 | Don Rosenberg Palatine,ILL, Wednesday Mar 25, 2009
The idea of a 2 state solution should never have been discussed. The arabs would have a state right on top of Israel , which would let them cut Israel in half during another war, which will come. The arabs in Judea/Samaria should be governed by jordan, their country. gaza should be under the control of egypt.
No negotiations for a separate state. the arabs have one, jordan. Somebody needs to let obama know this and Bibi should tell now. If Obama disagrees, tell him to create a state for al quida or taliban on our US border.
10 | Daniel-Atlanta, Wednesday Mar 25, 2009
Obama has stated a goal. However, as he said in the press confence last night, the current situation will make reaching that goal more difficult. Obama knows that both the Israelis and Palestinians are dysfunctional at present. Neither can form a government that has any chance of staying coherent during serious peace talks. Both offer nothing but friction and faction. So, it really doesn't matter what Obama or any American president says about peace right now. The problem is with the Israelis and Palestinians. Neither are capable of getting their act together, and won't be any time soon.
11 | jane, Wednesday Mar 25, 2009
Netanyahu has the right not to listen to America. We then must cut off the billions of dollars of aid and weopens we send to Israel. In the meantime Israel will build on more occupied land. In the end however Israel will face a stark reality. Muslims in America will form a huge voting block in the coming years. There will be more Arabs around the world and more influenntial. War will mean mutual destruction. Time is ticking.So I have no problem with no having a peace deal. Beacause paece and israel do not go together. In the long-run it is israel who will pay.
12 | David London, Wednesday Mar 25, 2009
Why is it that leftist delusionists like Daniel(10) equate Israel with its wicked enemies.The Arabs do not want peace nor have they ever cared for peace,they want Israel destroyed and lots of dead jews and that woud suit Obama who certainly has no great concern for the survival of Israel. There is no solution until we are redeemed by Hashem and meshiach arrives.All concessions to the Arabs bring death and destruction to Israel all peace talks are exercises in futlity the Arabs want Israel destroyed either by force or through the fraudulent "peace process"
13 | Ev,Canada, Wednesday Mar 25, 2009
I wish people would learn to live alongside each other in harmony and peace. I get so upset seeing and hearing about the unrest in some parts of the world.Life is too short as it is.Stop the suffering,please.Let everyone enjoy life to their fullest..
14 | Ev,Canada, Wednesday Mar 25, 2009
I wish people would learn to live alongside each other in harmony and peace. I get so upset seeing and hearing about the unrest in some parts of the world.Life is too short as it is.Stop the suffering,please.Let everyone enjoy life to their fullest..
15 | Daniel-Atlanta, Wednesday Mar 25, 2009
#12 David, you are having a knee-jerk reaction. I did not equate Israel with its enemies. I said both Israel and the Palestinians are dysfunctional in forming working governments that could shepherd their people through a genuine peace process. Both are based on factions that hold extreme positions, uncompromising extreme positions. If you can't see the truth in that, you are the one under delusion. I strongly support Israel against its enemies. However, I don't think it serves Israel well to hide my head in the sand, even if it is Israelis sand. I'm glad Obama is being a realist.
16 | Alone, Detroit, Wednesday Mar 25, 2009
This is a convenient position for the prime minister. It will afford him an international audience without having to take any action. See this article: http://aloneinsociety.wordpress.com/2009/03/25/netanyahu-next-prime-minister-of-israels-position/
17 | TamarB U.S.A, Wednesday Mar 25, 2009
18 | michael pielet, Wednesday Mar 25, 2009
The solution of two states living in peace is a shear fantasy. We already have one terrorist state
in Gaza. we need a second terrorist in Judea and Samaria? Who ever came up with this idea caused
and will continue to cause Israel considerable damage.The reality is that the arabs in the west bank
and their patrons in the arab states and Iran do not want a state in the west bank,they want one
state and no Israel. The arab conditions far an arab state in the west bank I do not believe can be accepted by any Israeli government, even a leftist one. Solution, keep negotiating with no result.
19 | michael pielet, Wednesday Mar 25, 2009
Jane #11 do not threaten. Israel is a valuable ally of the United States. Israel gives the US
a lot in return for the aid it receives. Israel has aided the US in weapons development,
intelligence, the aid money is spent in the US, and Israel is the only true ally the US has in the Middle east.Cutting off the aid to Israel will only further destabilize the middle east and destroy and
hope of peace you "claim" to support. If the aid is cut off Israel will then act unilaterally to protect itself.This is not the 1930"s or 40's and the Jewish people will protect themselves on their land.
20 | Tova - Toronto Canada, Wednesday Mar 25, 2009
Jane #11 - Arab influence began way before 9/11. The United States is hostage to Islam. Whether people support Israel or do not support Israel. The western nations will have a very rude awakening. Britian already is afraid of the over population of Islam. Israel a country so small and so mighty has given the United States more advanced technology & breakthrough in communication & science. Without Israel, the United States is doomed and is her way to being doomed. The United States & Israel are strong together. Both countries cherrish & respect live. United States is very weak at this time
21 | Tom, US, Wednesday Mar 25, 2009
We will see what transpires in time. I am certain that Obama isn't nearly as out of the picture as some in here paint him. Four years is a long time in today's world politics. Expect some surprises in the next four years.
22 | Simon USA, Wednesday Mar 25, 2009
Rosner, you are giving yourself too much credit. Based on Obama's behavior and the people he surrounded himself that deal with the ME, it is clear that Obama is ready to put pressure on any Israeli goverment to capitulate and agree to more one-sided Israeli jestures to Palestinians, and, yes, now even to Hamas. I hope that Natanyahu learned from his mistakes at the Wye accord and will play the game smartly with Obama. This is the only reason I support his decision to bring Labor/Barak into his goverment.
23 | Vincent O. Ikeku, Lagos, Nigeria., Wednesday Mar 25, 2009
History has shown that Arabs will do what ever it takes to wipe out Israel out of world map but everytime they try , they just can not succeed because of the God factor that is working in favor of Israel.As for having two states, I doubt whether the Palestinians will subcribe to a two states where each state will protect their borders with their current attitude of trying annihilate Israel and claiming every known territory in the middle east. Israel will alway triumph over all their enemies regardless of who such enemies are and their representatives.
24 | Vincent O. Ikeku, Lagos, Nigeria., Wednesday Mar 25, 2009
History has shown that Arabs will do what ever it takes to wipe out Israel out of world map but everytime they try , they just can not succeed because of the God factor that is working in favor of Israel.As for having two states, I doubt whether the Palestinians will subcribe to a two states where each state will protect their borders with their current attitude of trying annihilate Israel and claiming every known territory in the middle east. Israel will alway triumph over all their enemies regardless of who such enemies are and their representatives.
25 | Vincent O. Ikeku, Lagos, Nigeria., Wednesday Mar 25, 2009
History has shown that Arabs will do what ever it takes to wipe out Israel out of world map but everytime they try , they just can not succeed because of the God factor that is working in favor of Israel.As for having two states, I doubt whether the Palestinians will subcribe to a two states where each state will protect their borders with their current attitude of trying annihilate Israel and claiming every known territory in the middle east. Israel will alway triumph over all their enemies regardless of who such enemies are and their representatives.
26 | Vincent O. Ikeku, Lagos, Nigeria., Wednesday Mar 25, 2009
History has shown that Arabs will do what ever it takes to wipe out Israel out of world map but everytime they try , they just can not succeed because of the God factor that is working in favor of Israel.As for having two states, I doubt whether the Palestinians will subcribe to a two states where each state will protect their borders with their current attitude of trying annihilate Israel and claiming every known territory in the middle east. Israel will alway triumph over all their enemies regardless of who such enemies are and their representatives.
27 | Don Rosenberg Palatine,ILL, Wednesday Mar 25, 2009
The idea of a 2 state solution should never have been discussed. The arabs would have a state right on top of Israel , which would let them cut Israel in half during another war, which will come. The arabs in Judea/Samaria should be governed by jordan, their country. gaza should be under the control of egypt.
No negotiations for a separate state. the arabs have one, jordan. Somebody needs to let obama know this and Bibi should tell now. If Obama disagrees, tell him to create a state for al quida or taliban on our US border.
28 | CHARLIE ROME, Wednesday Mar 25, 2009
ROSNER' MIISUNDERSTANDS OBAMA'S WORLD VIEW AND POWER BASE. HIS BASE IS FRAGILE AND SHIFTING. IN VIEW OF HIS OBJECTIVES, RADICAL PROGRAMS AND METHODOLOGY, COUPLED WITH THE PROFOUND ECONOMIC AND CULTURE SHOCK OF THE US ELECTORATE, HIS WILL BE THE SHORTEST OFFICE HONEYMOON IN US HISTORY. HE ENDORSES TWO STATE ME FANTASY TO LULL THE ARABISTS, UNDERSTANDING THAT IT IS A MODERN IMPOSSIBILITY. HIS CORE PROBLEM IS INTERNAL, CRUCIAL AND ALL-ABSORBING. ROSNER IS SIMPLY SCRATCHING AN ITCH THAT JUST AIN'T THERE. TRY AGAIN, PAL.
29 | u s a, Wednesday Mar 25, 2009
no no no 2 state solution the terrorist will never be happy with israel .
hussein obama disagrees with israel beacause he love the people that kill jews
30 | Hermann Kuntz Kaiserslautern/Germany, Wednesday Mar 25, 2009
The two-states-solution is the only way to peace and security for both, Israeli and Palestinians. It is now time to create the Palestinian state and Israel must evacuate all the settlements in the Occupied Territory. There is no other border according to international law than the socalled Green Line. Jerusalem must become the capital of the two states. There is no other solution. As the Gaza War showed, a military solution does not function. A jewish friend of mine said the other day: Whoever want to contribute to the future of Israel will to have now fight for the rights of the Palestinians.
31 | RichS, Wednesday Mar 25, 2009
The muslims have one goal. It is no different than the goals that were perpetrated against Europe in the 6th century. Their jihads will be implemented until the dominate the world. Their hatred of Israel and the infidels is well known. There is no such thing as a "moderate" jihadist. While they may not physically assist terrorists they will contribute monitarily. The do not want peace, and Jerusalem will NEVER be divided. Gentiles will never own tat soil again, or any part of it. So says my Bible.
32 | scmuel, Wednesday Mar 25, 2009
THE AMERICAN PEOPLE SEE ISRAEL AS THE ALBATROSS AROUND AMERICAS NECK, they are moving into a new economic system and are very enthusiastic for all things CHANGE related, they see israel as a remnant of the past where hate and terrorism ferment , and see israel as barbaric. they think without israel attached to america the terrorist will make peace with america
33 | William NC-USA, Wednesday Mar 25, 2009
Herman #30 You are OUT of your mind - if you have one! Israel should adopt the Jordan River as its eastern border, providing a ten (o r more) mile de-militarized zone on the EAST bank under Jordanian sovereignty. That is the ONLY solution that can bring peace. - For those wonder about Barack Hussein Obama, TOVA #8 has it RIGHT - "Obama is young & extremely stubborn and too protected...Netanyhu like Israel has been doing this for too many centuries...Obama will not realize his serious mistakes...it will too late.. The United States is headed for a great fall."
34 | michael pielet, Wednesday Mar 25, 2009
Hermann, Obviously you do not know what you are talking about.
Please read
#18 and 19. the arabs do not and will not live in peace with Israel.
The arabs want to destroy Israel and its Jews.
You Germans are experts in murdering Jewish children, men and women.
This time is different, we Jews have a state and we are not going to sacrifice
ourselves to an unworkable solution.
Hermann, why don't you go to Sderot and catch one of the missilles hitting the town.
You will have many opportunities.
You Germans should insist that the arabs in word and deed respect the jewish people
and Israel
35 | Barbara Holliday--USA, Wednesday Mar 25, 2009
Israel would do well to listen to Netanyahu, as he is a valued and wise leader. I am proud to have signed the petition that was delivered to our Congress in the USA saying I definitely support Israel. I support them being there and I pray that someday they will live in more peaceable conditions. I have no sympathies for those who encourage homicide bombers and spread terror around the world. I believe God has helped Israelis to return and prosper in their Promised Land and I believe Israel will remain there, even though it sometimes seems precarious. God Bless Israel!
36 | Hermann Kuntz, Germany, European Union, Wednesday Mar 25, 2009
To Michael Pielet: I was just waiting your comment. It is a terrible lie, that the Arabs want to destroy Israel. Jordan and Egypt are in peace with Israel. With Syria peace is very near, if Israel want peace. All the 22 Arab Liga members are offering peace to Israel, if Israel is respecting international law and human rigths of the Palestinian neighbors. I personally are engaged in peace between Israel and his neighbors, I know many Palestinian Christians and many Israeli peace activists. Peace is possible. And we must all du our best to reach peace. We should not insult each other.
37 | Ari Ben-Canaan, Wednesday Mar 25, 2009
Rosner, since you know English, then perhaps you are aware of the phrase "it takes two to tango." There will never be a "two-state" solution (whatever that means) as long as only one side is willing to make sacrifices. The PA is corrupt, and is barely hanging onto power. The Palestinian people clearly support Hamas, and if the election were held tomorrow, Hamas would win. After the events regarding the Gaza Disengagement, I do not know how any rational-thinking person can argue that Jews need to be evicted from their homes in Judea and Samaria.
38 | Darryl Johnson, Wednesday Mar 25, 2009
Who are we to demand anything from Israel, I'm an american and I agree with BIBI, he's going about this the correct way, and just because everyone else in the world is lining up behind Obama without questions dosen't mean that Israel has too. Go for it BIBI, their a lot of folks here in the USA who love and support you 100%
39 | Ari Ben-Canaan, Wednesday Mar 25, 2009
Also Rosner, give Bibi some credit. Right now, he is proving to be one of the most pragmatic leaders Israel has ever had by bringing Labor into the coalition. In the compromise, the two agreed that both Jewish and Arab illegal outposts would be dealt with. That's a start.
To withdraw hundreds of thousands of settlers from Judea and Samaria would be an economic nightmare, especially in these dark times. Just look at the unethical and immoral behavior of the past government regarding the Gush Katif refugees (many of which are unemployed and psychologically scarred). Bibi does not need to sell out.
40 | carol US, Wednesday Mar 25, 2009
Schmuel are you for real. Have you any knowledge of what is going on in the United States. CHANGE you say, yes here in the United States there is CHANGE. Let me tell you what this CHANCE is. We have a US Treasurer who decided he didn't think he should pay back taxes, and just too note, Obama can't seem to fill most positions, because whomever he had chosen, had to pull out because of similar offensives The list goes on and on of failures that this administration is pulling us into. This is the most inexperienced and immature administration I have ever seen. We are paying for "CHANGE"
41 | marilyn USA, Wednesday Mar 25, 2009
darry KUDOS to you. I agree. I'm in the United States as well. It's so easy for those who are sitting in their comfortable chairs. I wonder if they know what the #15 stands for. All Israelis have 15 seconds to get to a shelter when Hamas is firing upon Israeli. Would those here in the United States want that. I know that they wouldn't.
42 | Claudia, Tampa, USA, Wednesday Mar 25, 2009
Obama is already a hopeless dunce who fronts the Pelosi ultraliberal majority now in congress. That will only last two years, until the 2010 congressional election when the American people will have had enough of the disfunction that reigns in Washington today, see the vast spending and waste that will run up our taxes and threaten our security for at least a generation. Never waste a crisis says Emanuel. Now they are so far out on the limb I can't wait to saw it off.
Natanyahu has already disappointed me by floating retain Barak as DM. NO ONE BUT MOSHE YA'ALON!!! Barak's a yutz!
43 | JACOB ny, Thursday Mar 26, 2009
# 40 100% RIGHT, If your friend lost his job, its a resession...if you loose your job its a depression,... WHEN OBAMA WILL LOOSE HIS JOB, IT WILL BE A ""RECOVERY""!!!!
44 | Daniel-Atlanta, Thursday Mar 26, 2009
To #40 Carol. I'm really impressed that you can participate in forums like this one and be only two months of age! If you were any older, you would have seen an American administration that is infinitely less competent than the Obama administration. It was called the Bush administration, spelled B-U-S-H (I'm talking simply because of your very young age), named after its most incompetent member, George W. Bush, although there was quite a battle to see who could be most incompetent. It is Bush's mess America and Obama are dealing with right now. My advice, grow up before you growl.
45 | Robert Pattison, Thursday Mar 26, 2009
I wouldn't trust US Pres. Hopenchanged to dig a latrine in Gaza,
let alone set up a two state Israeli-Arab government-
I wish America had Bibi instead of these girly men..
go here to see Bambi laughing at our economic crisis.
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2009/03/23/obamas-60-minute-high/
46 | Robert Pattison, Thursday Mar 26, 2009
I wouldn't trust US Pres. Hopenchanged to dig a latrine in Gaza,
let alone set up a two state Israeli-Arab government-
I wish America had Bibi instead of these girly men..
go here to see Bambi laughing at our economic crisis.
http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2009/03/23/obamas-60-minute-high/
47 | Jan Doelman, Netherlands, Thursday Mar 26, 2009
Talking about the old 2-state-solution might be obsolete already. Possibly Gaza is on its way to independence, leaving Israel + West Bank to work things out. But the settlements are so interwoven in the West Bank that it is difficult to create 2 states in Israel + West Bank. Besides, Israeli Arabs seem to prefer Israeli rule! Maybe even many Palestinians might want to join Israel on an equal basis, since they hope to prosper more and do not trust PA much. And without Gaza Israeli's can maintain the majority! This then seems to be the new 2-state-solution (but only as remote possibility).
48 | schmuel, Thursday Mar 26, 2009
carol...you miss the point , their is an animosity rapidly growing in america towards jews who americans see as all connected to the israel lobby and jewish organizations that force their policy on americans... look at any american newspaper thread and youll see 95 percent of the comments are about jews being traitors or jews supporting killing of children, and openly call the jewish jounalists who write the article a shill,jew traitor, jewish agent,zionists, ect......... american newspapers are going out of business because americans believe that jewish owned media concerns cant be trusted to
49 | schmuel, Thursday Mar 26, 2009
btw i live in forrest hills so i have a good idea of american public opinion
50 | schmuel, Thursday Mar 26, 2009
btw i live in forrest hills so i have a good idea of american public opinion
51 | MCGUIRE, J WASHINGTON STATE, U.S., Thursday Mar 26, 2009
I am a supporter of Isreal here in the United States, I have written serval times to my congressional repesenitives to NOT DEVIDE JERUSLEM I will continue to write them as needed, my voice repesents 100 people. God gave you that land and we feel that if you are forced to devide or give away your lands to the palastinians we may see God devide the United States. DO NOT GIVE IN TO MR.OBAMA'S PRESSURE, STAND FOR YOUR GOD GIVEN RIGHTS TO POSESS YOUR HOME LANDS.
MAY GOD BLESS YOU, WE PRAY FOR YOU EVERY DAY.
52 | Daoud Morocco, Thursday Mar 26, 2009
I think it is sad that people choose to expand on all the reasons for fear and hate. Where is the legendary wisdom and intelligence of the Jews, the people of Einstein, Freud, and Kafka? Has it all gone into the expertise in war? Isn't war the most idiotic, sorry, psychotic human behavior? So now Jews in Israel are what, the most experienced at devising weaponry and military strategies, is that where the Jewish genuis is going, to build another Sparta? The same could be said about the Middle East Arabs: are they proud to have created a generation raised on the rhetoric of war and vengeance?
53 | Daoud Morocco, Thursday Mar 26, 2009
the saddest toll in the Middle East war, after the cost in human lives, is the sacrifice of human intelligence and inventiveness in making a better society. The question to Israel and the Middle East Arabs is: where are your experts at making Peace? Do you have any? If the answer is negative, then you must ask yourself what kind of human environment you live in, where you have so many experts at making war but none at making peace. Do you want that to be your historical claim to fame?
54 | Daoud Morocco, Thursday Mar 26, 2009
the saddest toll in the Middle East war, after the cost in human lives, is the sacrifice of human intelligence and inventiveness in making a better society. The question to Israel and the Middle East Arabs is: where are your experts at making Peace? Do you have any? If the answer is negative, then you must ask yourself what kind of human environment you live in, where you have so many experts at making war but none at making peace. Do you want that to be your historical claim to fame?
55 | Daoud Morocco, Thursday Mar 26, 2009
the saddest toll in the Middle East war, after the cost in human lives, is the sacrifice of human intelligence and inventiveness in making a better society. The question to Israel and the Middle East Arabs is: where are your experts at making Peace? Do you have any? If the answer is negative, then you must ask yourself what kind of human environment you live in, where you have so many experts at making war but none at making peace. Do you want that to be your historical claim to fame?
56 | STEVEN USA, Thursday Mar 26, 2009
Not all muslims are terrorists- but EVERY TERRORIST IS A MUSLIM.THEY WERE BORN TERRORIST.THEY ARE UNABLE TO THINK BECAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN BRAINWASHED SINCE BIRTH.AND TRAINED TO KILL.THEY ARE UNAWARE OF DECENT LIFE STYLES, HAVING A CAREER,LEADING A NORMAL LIFE , EARNING A DECENT LIVING. NONONONO.THIS IS ALL GREEK TO THEM.THEY WANTED GAZA, THEY GOT GAZA AND THEY DESTROYED GAZA WITHIN MINUTES.THEY HAVE ALWAYS REFUSED TO BUID A PALESTINIAN STATE./WHAT OTHER EVIDENCE DO PEOPLE NEED TO STOP TALKING NONSENSE?HOLLY JIHAD, ALMADINEURANIUM,ROCKET-FATAH,FAILUREJAMAS ,WHAT PEACE ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
57 | Inna, USA, Thursday Mar 26, 2009
2 State solution is not a solution, it is a big Hypocrisy which is played again and again for how many years? You can not create a "peacefull" Muslim Arab State in the middle of Israel. Look at the map and realize that this so called solution has no chance of ever being implemented. It is very tragic for both Israelis and Muslims to be the victims of this big Hypocrisy. I hope that one day in the near future we will see the Leaders who will have enough will power and courage to say this clearly and outloud "2 State Solution is dead" and use their brains and power to come up with the answer,
58 | Inna, USA, Thursday Mar 26, 2009
2 State solution is not a solution, it is a big Hypocrisy which is played again and again for how many years? You can not create a "peacefull" Muslim Arab State in the middle of Israel. Look at the map and realize that this so called solution has no chance of ever being implemented. It is very tragic for both Israelis and Muslims to be the victims of this big Hypocrisy. I hope that one day in the near future we will see the Leaders who will have enough will power and courage to say this clearly and outloud "2 State Solution is dead" and use their brains and power to come up with the answer,
59 | Dr Dan USA, Thursday Mar 26, 2009
Obama is a realist. The two-state solution is a fantasy.
60 | Not Jewish, Thursday Mar 26, 2009
Bibi's "in your face approach" in his dealings with the little messiah is the right move. The two state mindset is and has always been a lame idea. Jews belong in Israel and Israel belongs to the Jews. Arabs from pallywood belong in Jordon and Egypt. Israel has a strong leader in Bibi, it is refreshing to see that.
61 | rk, USA, Thursday Mar 26, 2009
I am sorry #32 scmuel thinks he is speaking for all of the American people. HE IS NOT. There are numerous Christians in the USA that support Israel - and although our voice is not as loud as the liberal Obama supporters, we still have a voice. I for one don't believe the terrorists will ever make peace with anyone. GOD BLESS ISRAEL.
62 | Jack D'Angelo/ U S, Thursday Mar 26, 2009
I use to sit back in my comfortable living room and watch the turmoil in the middle east. I wondered as decades passed why the two parties could not resolve their differences. It seemed so simple to me.
I've been exposed to the thoughtful positions of Jewish people and Muslims over my 60 years. As a Christian I traveled to Israel and Jordan last year and what I thought I knew to be true was dead wrong. The solution must come from a understanding between the parties and President Obama at this critical juncture should support a peace process but refrain from imposing his position.
63 | Dude, US, Thursday Mar 26, 2009
Rosner forgets that Rahm Emmanuel is undoubtedly aware of all the various factors mentioned in the comments above. I expect that Hillary has heard most of it before as well. Certainly, George MItchell is only interested in practical solutions and has vast experience with conflicting ideologies, and with violent extremist sub-factions. The latter two people are delegated the responsibility to do the negotiating.
At present, opposing Israel is too big a business for many organizations in Gaza and the Left Bank - they have nothing to replace it.
PS Funny how progressive goyim now post here.
64 | Len F NYC, Thursday Mar 26, 2009
For a certain type of obseqious Israeli Jew like Rosner whose first concern is winning the kindness of strangers, any show of independence or Jewish pride by an Israeli leader makes him cringe.
65 | michael pielet, Thursday Mar 26, 2009
Hermann, did I insult you ? Rebuttal: Egypt allows the terrorists to bring weapons into Gaza
in order to maim and kill Israeli children,women and children. Syria arms hezbollah terorists
to terrorize and kill Israelies in the north of Israel, Syria is attempting to acquire nuclear weapons
to destroy Israel.The arab league does not and will not recognize Israel's right to exist! International
law and human rights apply to everybody but the JEWS! Arab terrorism, atrocities against Jews
has been going on for over 100 years, Hermann get the facts right, you germans owe us!
66 | RavDav, Thursday Mar 26, 2009
Hey Obama - call me AFTER the Palestinian Civil War ends and Hamas/Hezbollah/Islamic Jihad are destroyed. Then, and only then will a 2-stater be possible. Until then, Israel needs Netanyahu to resist the pressure for endless and meaningless negotiations.
67 | carol US, Thursday Mar 26, 2009
Daniel, it's too bad that you are living in Disney world. Bush was a friend of Israel. Is Obama ? As far as Obama ratings go, they're showing a decline. I have to ask you DANIELLLLL what planet are you living on? Obama is crushing our economy with his so-called stimulas package, which in case you're still not living on earth, will be costing us trillions of dollars. Oh, & by the way, let's stop pointing a figure at what you think is entirely Bushs' fault. Remember one important factor, it was democratics who voted for whatever is bothering you. Your insulting post is laughable.
68 | carol USA, Thursday Mar 26, 2009
RavDav, how right you are. Kudos.
69 | Logicon, GA USA, Thursday Mar 26, 2009
Anyone who supports the Islamic side of this argument does not understand the gravity of the situation. People say, do this, do that, do something else, try another way, you can make peace. When people begin to understand that non-Muslims will never be left alone by Muslims then they won't be so eager to support them and make excuses.
The religion/ideology of Islam won't allow it. You can't make lead into gold and that is what people keep trying to do. You cannot make peace with Islam and this is the whole story behind everything that is happening in the Middle East and world today.
70 | American, Thursday Mar 26, 2009
The U.S. is always 20 years behind catching up with reality. When a 2 state solution was actually feasible there was no support by the U.S. You judge a country on its actions not its words. More massive development is in the works for the West Bank. U.S. should be at least talking about a one state of Israel with equal rights for all Arabs in the West Bank and Israel. Gaza is another reality that will require more thought after it is stabilized and rebuilt. I wouldn't expect Israel to absorb all of them or have every Arab allowed to return. But a 2 state? Israel is telling the world no.
71 | carol, Thursday Mar 26, 2009
Jacob ny...You are so right! Let's see in four years if Obama the minister/reverend, cause that's what he sounds like when he speaks will be reelected. The Obama love affair might be short lived. I remember when the rev wright was caught on tape, stating all those horrible things about the US, & Michelle Obama got up & stated "NOW I'M FINALLY GLAD TO BE AMERICAN" wth her hand raised in a fist. I wonder if the Obamas' still maintain a relationship with this rev wright. I do recall Obama stating that what he said was horrible. However, Obama also stated that he considerd wright a friend.
72 | Lynne, Canada, Friday Mar 27, 2009
Anyone who supports the two- state solution in Israel will recieve the wrath of God. God has given this land to the Israelites as a covenant land. Those who are trying to support the division don't see the hidden mysteries in God's word about Jerusalem. Jerusalem is like the bride of Christ, and He is coming to reign in that land and sit on the Throne of David. And the two shall become ONE, when heaven meets earth. If they separate this it's like breaking a wedding covenant with the LORD. Read Zehariah 12:3 that's a pretty strong warning...are you willing to test God.
73 | Noga USA, Friday Mar 27, 2009
No word about the fact that the Pals do not accept the Jewish state. That is not causing any problems with the Obama administration. As usual it is our fault. Netaniahu has the right to believe in his agenda without fearing the new messiah. Shallow article.
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