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Rosner's Domain: Jack Wertheimer on how American Jews view Israel

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Jack Wertheimer, of the Center for the Study of Conservative Judaism, wrote a lengthy article for the American Jewish Year Book of the American Jewish Committee entitled American Jews and Israel: A 60 Year Retrospective. You can read a couple of paragraphs from the article on the post I published here.

Earlier this week I sent Wertheimer five questions. Here’s the Q&A:

1. You write: "American Jews will have to confront further ramifications of Israeli sovereignty, some of which will not necessarily be to their liking, and certainly will be far from their own experience as a small minority whose relation to power has been very different."

Can you please explain - maybe give an example?

Large swathes of American Jews have acted over the past 60 years to fulfill their responsibilities toward the Jewish state in the form of philanthropic and political support; but that is different from their internalizing the implications of Jewish sovereignty. One could imagine that a far-reaching new thinking would have taken hold now that Jews have regained power and run their own state. And yet we continue to use many of the old paradigms and have yet to work through how to relate to the Jewish state. Symptomatically, much effort is now being expended to figure out the goals of Israel education in American Jewish schools. We have no coherent way of talking about Israel. What does it mean to American Jews? How might American Jews think differently about themselves now that there is a Jewish state? What further responsibilities do American Jews have toward Israel?

When I refer to old paradigms, one of the things I have in mind is the insistence on imposing American categories on Israel as if circumstances in the Middle East are the same as in the U.S., and as if the ideological positions American Jews developed to protect themselves as a minority in this country can simply be imposed upon the Israeli context where Jews form a majority that must deal with very complicated and often hostile minorities. American notions of fair-play, pluralism and diversity are not easily transferable to the Middle East, a point critics of the war in Iraq endlessly make but then refuse to apply to Israeli realities. 

2. On many of the questions you present, you seem to deliberately avoid any expression of your own opinion. For example, you say that "American Jewish thinkers will have to determine whether their own internal deliberations about Jewish identity, the nature of modern Judaism, and the meaning of being Jewish can be enriched by intensive contact with Israelis struggling with the same issues, or whether the two communities must go their separate ways." Well, should the deliberate separately or together?

I certainly do favor far more exchange between Israeli and American Jews over questions of Jewish meaning. We are both grappling with common issues but seem to operate as if we have no counterparts. To give two examples: In Orthodox communities here and in Israel, the plight of Agunot is a human tragedy and a hilul hashem but there seems little willingness to resolve this issue across the board.  If anything, the recent power play of the Israeli rabbinate seems designed to marginalize Orthodox rabbis in the U.S., rather than benefit from their experiences and expertise. Second,  the "who is a Jew?" conundrum is treated like a separate problem in Israel and as a non-problem in the U.S. when in fact it is one of the central dilemmas facing all of world Jewry. Why not work on these issues together-- and not just at a one-time conference but in sustained working groups? The same can be said about bringing Israeli and American Jewish intellectuals together to address common problems rather than continue the unhelpful pattern of having speakers posture before one another about who is living the most authentic or creative Jewish life.

 3. You say that "American Jewish culture has absorbed Israeli influences with growing intensity over the past 60 years", but that American Jews still don't know much about the "real" Israel. Is that because Israel was doing a lousy job communicating its "real" self, because Jewish American organizations wanted Israel to be portrayed in a certain way (better for fund raising), or because Jewish American do not want to know more - maybe fearing that they might not like it?

There is no single answer to your question. All of the above probably are contributing factors. I,ll even add a few more: most American Jews are ill-informed about many aspects of Jewish civilization, and therefore their ignorance about the real Israel is part of a much larger problem. Israel also played a role in this by preferring to project certain aspects of its culture while hiding others. But in fairness to all the players: How many German-Americans or Italian-Americans or African-Americans have a strong grasp of the actual culture of their places of origin? In the case of Israel, the preponderant majority of American Jews are not even immigrants from the Jewish state, but we expect them to keep a close eye on Israeli life and culture. Let,s recognize that when we lament, as I do, the ignorance about the "real" Israel, we are imposing a heavy set of expectations onto American Jews. I,d like us - American and Israeli Jews - to figure out together how to deepen knowledge and understanding. Groups of young Jews such as Kol Dor and Presentense  give me hope that we will harness the new global communications to do a better job.

4. To what extent you think the problem for American Jews to come to terms and find a common ground on Israel-related issues is about the politics of the Arab-Israeli conflict? Or is this just a convenient diversion from the real issue: which will be the more significant, more powerful Jewish community? You can frame it this way: is it about the political nature of Jerusalem - or about Jerusalem vs. Babylon?

I don,t see the language of Jerusalem vs. Babylon having much resonance for American Jews. I also suspect that shlilat ha-golah is not as powerful in Israeli circles as it once was. Further, I don,t regard disagreements over the correct policy for Israel to pursue vis a vis its neighbors to be necessarily indicative of a lack of common ground. Look how divided Israelis are about such matters. Rather than fret about opposing policy positions, I worry that Israel is becoming too distant, its problems too foreign to the American Jewish environment. Increasingly, I hear Jews express indifference, if not annoyance. Israel, with its seemingly intractable conflict with its neighbors is becoming inconvenient for many American Jews who cannot handle the dissonance between their professed values and the tough realities of the Middle East.

But Israel is more than the Arab-Israeli conflict. Let,s broaden the conversation to explore Jewish meaning, religious purpose, values, our common cultural heritage, our bonds of peoplehood - these are matters around which we potentially can build a dialogue.

5. You conclude by noting that "American Jews have borrowed freely from Israeli forms in order to reconstruct their own culture". But while your article deals with dilemmas facing the American Jewish community one can also ask this: Should Israel be the one now looking for new ways with which to make itself more relevant to American Judaism? What is it that American Jews will be able to borrow in future decades?

Cultural borrowing is not a planned process. It,s not as if we can tell Israelis to develop new ways to be relevant and presto! Something positive will emerge that will be seized upon by American Jews. I suspect the real reason so much of Israeli culture has infiltrated American Jewish life is because of the serious problems we American Jews have in producing a Jewish culture. What, after all, is Jewish music or Jewish dance in the U.S. if not Israeli imports or neo-Hasidic confections? Lacking a distinctive Jewish language, and increasingly lacking any connection to a larger Jewish community, American Jews hunger for cultural expression based on something Jewish. I don,t place the burden of responsibility on Israelis to make themselves more relevant to American Judaism. I do hope, though, that we can nurture more religious and cultural endeavors that bring American and Israeli Jews together in a common effort.


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1  |  David Natanel in Karmiel, Israel, Tuesday Feb 17, 2009
All Jews regardless of birth or domicile used to be "Israelites." I lament that Israelites in America see themselves as having a different nationality as Israelites in Israel. Either we are the One People of the Tanach, or not. What is this idea that we can be "American" when we are already born into the House of Israel? Have we forgotten that diaspora is exile, and we can return home now?? Citizenship does not define nationality for the Jew!! You "American" Jews are Israelis in exile.
2  |  James, Tuesday Feb 17, 2009
The real Israel is not here, even the current Jewish State. Wherever we are the hope remains that the Messiah will establish the real Israel. All "Israelites", be we Americans, Argentinians, Malaitans or Israelis are in exile!
3  |  Mikael from Sweden, Tuesday Feb 17, 2009
I am sorry that you are so confused over this simple matter. Ask a friend and he will help you get it right!
4  |  Steve, USA, Tuesday Feb 17, 2009
People are American first then jewish second. Japanese Americans fought against Japan same as German Americans. I find it strange that Israelis wants American jews to be Jewish first. In the disapora many say jews see israel as their country. Do not fall into this trap. Those want to harm us and israelis just want to act as stereotypes. Many exploit our religion to use us in politics and as cash machine. Please stop using as your gambling chips.
5  |  David, Tuesday Feb 17, 2009
Very well thought out. Nice to see a scholar whose discipline is not to postulate and think up something radical to promote originality for its own sake. Mr. Wertheimer is original in that he looks at a problem from all angles and gives a rational, reasonable analysis. He's pro-Jewish without the usual cliches. Thank you for the refreshing thoughts.
6  |  Tom, US, Tuesday Feb 17, 2009
I agree. You would be much better off just to lose the American jews. They are psychotic enough in this country with their open border policies and homosexuality. Like gay Herbie the love bug Kohl or Barney Fag or Tammy Baldwin. If they aren't queers they are outright communists. If Israel wants this trash I would be more than happy to donate my share of jews to IsraHELL.
7  |  eliyho matz new york, Tuesday Feb 17, 2009
dear rosner and wertheimer the israeli nation was borne in 1948 60 years later it doesnt need nursining by american jews if there is one thing American jews can do is help the confused israelis create and operate an israeli Republic rather than a Ghetocratic regim full of askenazi/sheparadi/maroccan/yemanite halachic charedi state of confusion and non workable political system of halftea half coffe drinkers.thank you for your support and cooperation
8  |  HebrewMan, Tuesday Feb 17, 2009
Wertheimer is absolutely right. American Jews do not know and cannot identify with Israel's reality of being a sovereign, Jewish-Hebrew nation state in the Middle East. Jews in Israel are the majority, in America they are a tiny minority. That fact alone means there can be no real understanding between the 2. This is no one's fault - people are products of their reality. The 2 realities are completely alien to each other. I would add that Israel will in a matter of decades be home to 10 million Jews, while US Jews are intermarrying their way out of Jewish existence, a harsh but true fact.
9  |  The other Bob, USA, Tuesday Feb 17, 2009
A very interesting piece. My thanks to Jack Wertheimer & Shmuel Rosner. To the bigoted homophoebic gutless wonder, Tom, US. You already are in Hell. It's that sick twisted thing you have in place of a mind.
10  |  Yosef Gabriel, Tuesday Feb 17, 2009
I'm a Samekh-Teth Jew. I don't understand any of you. The Shoah eliminated 90% of the Samekh-Teth Jews and most of the true Ashkenazi (German) Jews. We are left with a majority Russian/East European Jews who knew nothing other than shtetls and pogroms, and owned barely nothing through no fault of their own other than they were Jewish. The Samekh-Teth and true Ashkenazim learned how to assimilate and work within the framework of the goyim, whereas today's majority Jews we not allowed this in Russia. That's the dilemma I see both in the United States and in Israel, intransigence among Jews.
11  |  Yosef Gabriel, Tuesday Feb 17, 2009
I'm a Samekh-Teth Jew. I don't understand any of you. The Shoah eliminated 90% of the Samekh-Teth Jews and most of the true Ashkenazi (German) Jews. We are left with a majority Russian/East European Jews who knew nothing other than shtetls and pogroms, and owned barely nothing through no fault of their own other than they were Jewish. The Samekh-Teth and true Ashkenazim learned how to assimilate and work within the framework of the goyim, whereas today's majority Jews we not allowed this in Russia. That's the dilemma I see both in the United States and in Israel, intransigence among Jews.
12  |  Mike M. - Brooklyn, N.Y., Tuesday Feb 17, 2009
One of the first 7 responses is just from a bigot. To hate Jews and spend time reading the JPost. How pathetic. A couple of the other respondents seem to think that Israel needs a lot of fixing. I think they can handle things fine and dandy as they have made adjustments for 60 years now. But do help out, just don't hinder. To those others who seem to imply it may be time to desert Israel in its time of trouble, go ahead. But don't be surprised when you look in the mirror sometime and realize you took the easy way out. Shame on those who desert Israel. G-d bless Israel and America.
13  |  Mike Vining, Tuesday Feb 17, 2009
While american jews claim a symbolic attachment to Israel, their domestic voting habits in US presidential elections reveal a naive view on the on ground situation in Israel. For, example american jews overwhelmingly vote for the democratic party in US presidential elections. WHY, democrats have pressured Israel into all kinds of appeasement policys concerning the arab powers. Republicans have without fail urged Israel to protect its borders and people. American jews have no idea about hoe to help their country except force it into land concessions, and eventual defeat.
14  |  Mike Vining, Tuesday Feb 17, 2009
While american jews claim a symbolic attachment to Israel, their domestic voting habits in US presidential elections reveal a naive view on the on ground situation in Israel. For, example american jews overwhelmingly vote for the democratic party in US presidential elections. WHY, democrats have pressured Israel into all kinds of appeasement policys concerning the arab powers. Republicans have without fail urged Israel to protect its borders and people. American jews have no idea about hoe to help their country except force it into land concessions, and eventual defeat.
15  |  Steve G, Indiana, USA, Tuesday Feb 17, 2009
Good post, Mike Vining. We American Jews have the luxury of sitting back and criticizing our Israeli brothers and sisters for doing what's necessary to protect Israel. Thank G-d, Israel, for the most part, does what it needs to do without regard to any other consideration but the protection of the State of Israel.
16  |  Gábor Fränkl Budapest, Hungary, Wednesday Feb 18, 2009
Truley enlighteneing and thought-provoking interview - and don't dare to think that this applies only to American jews! Far from it, but nearly every other Jew in the diaspora. Caveat: O.K. at least those living in liberal democracies, states
17  |  Mel Katz Riverdale USA, Wednesday Feb 18, 2009
This is basically gibberish written by a "communal professional" who gets paid to write it. It is also another of "Rosner's guests," carefully chosen to be slightly left of center or centrist (but never on the right) so as to subtly manipulate the only issues that matter to engaged USA Jews vis a vis Israel: pursuing or abandoning "the two-state solution" and the official status of the Reform and Conservative movements in Israel.
18  |  The other Bob, USA, Wednesday Feb 18, 2009
Mike Vining, when this Jew went to the polls last Nov., I went to vote for President of the USA, Representatives & Senators. Not, the PM & MKs of Israel. It's THEIR job to look out for Israeli interests. It's THEIR job to tell the US to bugger off if needs be. In addition, the Republican party has a long history of racism & anti-Semitism. Eisenhower refused to sell Israel a bullet. Let's not forget the Nixon/Baker "f**k the Jews" comment in the Oval Office. Rice did as much arm twisting in Jerusalem as any Democratic Sec'ty of State ever did. U confuse Republ. rhetoric w/ their actions.
19  |  H. Jay, Wednesday Feb 18, 2009
Hadi it not been for the USA led UN Coalition invasion of Kuwait in January 1991 in response to Saddam Hussain's invasion six months before and the subsequent bullying enforcement against our people by the 'Republican' US Presiident G.Bush Snr. in order to give away a large part of our Holy Land to the Arabs living on it, then in all probability and likelihood the territorial legal rights political situation would have been identical to Menachem Begin's namely, exclusively autonomy only for the Arabs living in E.Y. Even President J.Carter did not seek a State for Arabs living in EY.
20  |  H. Jay, Wednesday Feb 18, 2009
Hadi it not been for the USA led UN Coalition invasion of Kuwait in January 1991 in response to Saddam Hussain's invasion six months before and the subsequent bullying enforcement against our people by the 'Republican' US Presiident G.Bush Snr. in order to give away a large part of our Holy Land to the Arabs living on it, then in all probability and likelihood the territorial legal rights political situation would have been identical to Menachem Begin's namely, exclusively autonomy only for the Arabs living in E.Y. Even President J.Carter did not seek a State for Arabs living in EY.
21  |  Michael, Wednesday Feb 18, 2009
What's a samekh - teth Jew?
22  |  Ray, California, Wednesday Feb 18, 2009
My Grandparents on my Fathers side were Russian Jews who came here in the late 1800's. My Father married a Gentile, hence I am not a Jew. However I believe deep within the heart and psyche of everyone of Jewish heritage is a "burning" desire for the success of the Nation of Israel. My prayers are for all Jews every where. May Israelis fight for "Freedom" burn in all our hearts.
23  |  Vern H USA, Wednesday Feb 18, 2009
To Mike V..Who says most American Jews support appeasment. That not true at all. I and my Jewish friends want Israel to blast the hell out of Hamas..in fact the IDF stopped too quick. Appeasement ...? I wouid give the enemies of Israel a bit of a "Hiroshima". Mikey ole boy..we Jews know what to do about israel...just support them all the way and send money! Israel is back after 2000 yrs from those bastards called Romans. Jews are sipping tea again in Tel aViv and Jerusalem..and will still be there when you, Mike, are in the ground!
24  |  ICH PISH OFFEN TOM USA, Wednesday Feb 18, 2009
You guys who complain about the Jews (both Jews and Non Jews) and their origins give me a pain in the TUCHAS. Here we are 4000 yrs later still alive and eating lox and Bagels in NY, LA and Paris and London...and best of all drinking tea in Jerusalem after 2000 yrs. You bet we Jews are independent..some very religious and some secular..but we dont kill each other like the Chruch history tells..and how about thsoe Muslims who kill each other right up until today! Who cares whether a Jews is a Sephardic or Askenasi.. Jew haters like Tom are a curse to this world. Ich hult Tom in mine TUCHAS!
25  |  Morris Cabili, Wednesday Feb 18, 2009
No.6 Tom,though you sound mean I agree with you that the ultra liberal views of some jews in the US have earned them a lot of ill feelings.However,not all of us jews are ultra liberal,especially sephardics and a lot of Israelis.We dislike ultra liberalism as much as you do.
26  |  Mike in Burke, Va., Wednesday Feb 18, 2009
What's wrong with American Jewish thinking about Israel? America is the big brother, Israel is the little brother. They love/cry together, fight each other but at the end of time, USA and Israel will be iron tight brothers. Now double standard talking here. It's the Muslims that need to stop imposing ideological position on Arabs countries. Islamic government in Iran, Syrian, Jordan supporting Hamas in Gaza, Hezzabollah in Lebanon, and Tailban in Afghanistan. They're lying to their own people. Their own people are extremely ignorant and that's where Islamic fanatics get their power.
27  |  James Gibson, Pittsburgh, PA, Wednesday Feb 18, 2009
Republicans (James Baker comes to mind) have tried to force Israel into actions it didn't want to take. It was a Republican administration that blocked loan guarantees for Israel and resisted Israel's attempt to block the sale of AWACS planes to Saudi Arabia. American long term strategic interests dictate national policy with regard to Israel and the entire region. These interests persist regardless of which party is in the White House or in Congress. Similarly, Israel has long term strategic interests, of party. Israel's interests demand a positive relationship with the US. period.
28  |  Ben USA, Wednesday Feb 18, 2009
The average American Jew doesn't need a rabbi to tell/advise him how and what to think, whom to vote for, or just how to observe Shabbat. This is an anethema to the "Israeli religious" who feel they have the right to act as dictators to their followers. Hence, the distance and disdain of the so called "religious". Americans need no dictators, religious or otherwise. Have seen the crowds of "religious Jews" at the gravesite of the rebbe asking him to intercede for them with Hashem. Is this different than the goyim making ordinary people saints? Rabbinic Judaism is fraud.
29  |  Yosef Gabriel, Wednesday Feb 18, 2009
Samekh-Teth Jews are Jews who trace their lineage back to the Expulsion from Spain in 1492, and later, Portugal. The term Sephardic has become intermingled with those Jews who never exiled the Iberian peninsula, but to those countries to the west of Eretz HaKodesh that eventually became Muslim. Read Obadiah 1:20 and you should have a clearer understanding.
30  |  Michael Witt,Toronto,Canada, Wednesday Feb 18, 2009
The US liberal Jews are stupid-they voted for Obama and soon we will see more islamic attacks on Jews in USA. Michael,Canada
31  |  USA, Wednesday Feb 18, 2009
I am an American Jew and this is how I view Israel. I love Israel. I'm Jewish first. I know where to go when the world turns it's back on Jews. The one place that will not turn me away. I will be embraced by Israel unlike my family that was killed by Hitler. I have no right to tell Israel how to keep her sovereignty. I am not in her shoes. Anyone's religious or secular values are none of my business. My values are my business. I support Israel in any way I possibly can and always will. Diaspora must remember who they are and what their origins are. Israel is your root!
32  |  Ben USA, Wednesday Feb 18, 2009
I too an American Jew; born a Jew and will die a Jew. Israel still is not willing to face up to just what type of nation she will become. A state for Jews or a Jewish state. A secular state or a state run by rebbunim. If a state run by rebbunim, then never will I or people such as myself ever desire to live there. Dictatorships are not the desire of free people. Never will be. Rabbinic Judasim is not Torah Judaism. Torah Judaism is the pre-eminance of Hashem. Rabbinic Judaism is the pre-eminence of the rebbunim. Smells like papel Christianity. Chief Rabbis, fancy robes; doting followers.
33  |  Yosef Gabriel, Wednesday Feb 18, 2009
I recommend Aaron David Miller's "The Much Too Promised Land." There is plenty of blame to go around, but in the end, it appears that Israel's elected leaders do what they want in the best interest as they see it for Israel, regardless of the American Jewish community (read AIPAC) or whomever is the leader in the White House. And, as my secular Israeli guide told me two years ago, "You American Jews need to butt out of our business." And, I have to say he is correct because I decided not to make aliyah--I'm not in exile; I've chosen to remain outside of Israel, which the Talmud allows.
34  |  Yosef Gabriel, Wednesday Feb 18, 2009
Ben, you smell like a Marrano to me. Stay away please. We've had enough of that Apostle Paul anti-semitic rhetoric over the Pharisees and the Talmud.
35  |  sk, USA, Thursday Feb 19, 2009
Yes, this is a terrible article. Israel panders to Muslims and gives away Jewish land because its leadership consists of post-Zionists who think of themselves as Israelis not Jews. Obviously this will cause difficulties for American Jews who are not Israeli. These leaders also regularly harm Jews in Judea and Samaria and allow Jewish monuments like the Temple Mount to be controlled or destroyed by the Muslim enemy. They are certainly not acting in anyone's interest but their own. If they really were proud Jews, there would be little problem with their American brethren.
36  |  Observer;; Los Angeles, Thursday Feb 19, 2009
Wertheimer carefully avoids saying where he stands and discussing specifics, but with an undertone of not liking a lot of Jewish life while seemingly being terrified to come out in the open about it for fear of the reaction. Yet his elitist smugness bursts through with phrases like "Neo-Chasidic confections". I'll take them any day compared to the soulless modernism of much Conservative Cantorial work. The Israeli Rabbinate is Jewish mainstream; Conservatism is a "politically correct" intellectually rationalizing reaction to Reform which jettisons much of halacha at cost to Jewish survival.
37  |  David Sternlight; Los Angeles, Thursday Feb 19, 2009
Ben's comment about papal Christianity as a slam against Rabbinic Judaism ignores that his beloved Torah Judaism had the Kohen Gadol (Chief Rabbi) and the Torah prescribed his "fancy" robes long before the Roman conquest, much less papal Christianity. As for doting followers, I understand the attendance at the Bais HaMikdash was huge and closely packed.
38  |  David Columbia, Maryland USA, Friday Feb 20, 2009
As an American Jew, I often feel that I am walking on eggshells. Because I am intermarried I cannot simply "return" to "eretz Yisraoel", but I cannot be fully accepted here by the likes of Tom from the earlier post who is either a total phony or a total bigot. In the end, I have a life to live like everyone else. I and my children have found a "place" in Reform Judaism in the US. In spite of my "Reform" leanings, I do share a love and admiration for Israel. I just returned from a wonderful trip there, but no, I won't be emigrating. I will continue to remain here with "eyes wide open".
39  |  ICH Pishen Offen Tom USA, Friday Feb 20, 2009
Morris Cabili.#25..how can you even agree with a jew hater like TOM! He calls Israel..IsraHELL Ultra libs and ultra conserves both stink! Are there things you would agree with from Hitler too? We Jews are free to do what we want like anyone else. I support israel wholeheartedly, but I am an American..I love thii country.I thank my grandpa (Alava sholem) for leaving Russia! I served it in the Army as did 600,000 American Jews did (WW2. I choose to stay here..Aliyah is a choice which I approve of. Israel needs strong Jews in the Diaspora too. I'm sure Tom has a picture of Hitler on his wall.
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