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Tuesday Jan 06, 2009
Rosner's Domain: J Street under barrage of criticismPosted by SHMUEL ROSNER
Comments: 28 Updated!!! Election 2009: Rosner's Poll Trend This is probably not a happy week for the dovish Jewish lobby J Street. A couple of days ago, I wrote here about their strange way of supporting Israel in time of war. But I'm hardly the only one. A couple of days ago, James Kirchick wrote here (and I wrote here) about the dissenting position taken by the dovish Jewish lobby on the Gaza operation: [A]t a time when the vast majority of Israelis and American Jews support what Israel is doing, J Street steps out of the shadows as the voice of communal dissent, joined by the likes of the United Nations and the Guardian editorial board (even the Arab League tacitly supports what Israel is doing, seeing that Hamas is an Iranian front). J Street has the right to its extreme leftist, capitulationist opinions, but it does not have the right to claim, as Ben-Ami once did, that it represents the "broad, sensible mainstream of pro-Israel American Jews." An article in the Jewish Forward, written by Rabbi Eric Yoffie, President of the Union for Reform Judaism - a liberal Jewish organization, no doubt - proves that Kirchick was right: J Street can't claim that it represents the view of the American Jewish majority. More so: It can't even claim to represent the view of a liberal Jewish majority. Yoffie, a liberal, writes this: It is not easy for me to write these words. I welcomed the founding of J Street and know many of those involved in its leadership. Furthermore, I am a dove myself. I support a two-state solution, believe that military action by Israel should be a last resort and welcome an active American role in promoting peace between Israel and her neighbors. But I know a mistake when I see one, and this time J Street got it very wrong. J Street's first statement expressed "understanding" for Israel's motivations, and called - as I do - for a political rather than a military solution to the Arab-Israeli conflict. Nonetheless, its conclusion was that Israel made a mistake in attacking Hamas and that the United States and others must press for an immediate cease-fire. A second J Street statement was worse by far. It could find no moral difference between the actions of Hamas and other Palestinian militants, who have launched more than 5,000 rockets and mortar shells at Israeli civilians in the past three years, and the long-delayed response of Israel, which finally lost patience and responded to the pleas of its battered citizens in the south. "Neither Israelis nor Palestinians have a monopoly on right or wrong," it said, and it suggested that there was no reason and no way to judge between them: "While there is nothing 'right' in raining rockets on Israeli families or dispatching suicide bombers, there is nothing 'right' in punishing a million and a half already-suffering Gazans for the actions of the extremists among them." The folks at J Street didn't like Yoffie's article, to put it mildly: It is hard for us to understand how the leading reform rabbi in North America could call our effort to articulate a nuanced view on these difficult issues "morally deficient." If our views are "naïve" and "morally deficient", then so are the views of scores of Israeli journalists, security analysts, distinguished authors, and retired IDF officers who have posed the same questions about the Gaza attack as we have. They provide very little evidence that such "analysts" and "authors" exist. In fact, when the operation started, most dovish Israelis, among them left-wing authors Amos Oz and A.B Yehushua supported the operation. A growing camp within the Israeli left now supports a cease-fire - but very few opposed the operation in its initial stages. As I've shown here, even the left-wing Meretz Party supported the operation when it started: "The time has to act without compromise and without narrow political considerations, to protect the citizens of the Gaza periphery and Sderot," the statement said. "There is no choice but to hit Hamas in a precise way and to act for a renewed ceasefire," the party said. And even assuming that Meretz's position is now more in sync with the one espoused by J Street, it is still not the position of Israel's "left" - not even by a stretch. Meretz - according to most polls - represents barely 5% of Israel's population. If J Street argue that a similar percentage - or even double that percentage - or even five times that percentage of American Jews agree with them - it is still far from the "broad mainstream" they claim to represent. If you want even more proof that this time J Street crossed a line, take a look here (Jeffrey Goldberg), here (Michael Goldfarb) and here (Ami Eden).
1 | No Lies, America, Tuesday Jan 06, 2009
J Street is an anti-Israel group that is funded by left-wing radical pro-Arab organizations. How anyone can call J Street pro-Israel is beyond me. J Street represents a tiny minority of American Jews. Even the secular liberal Jews aren't that anti-Israel. J Street is the enemy of Israel and the Jewish people.
2 | Shlomo T , Israel, Tuesday Jan 06, 2009
Maybe J Street has no lines on it (and therefore those there do not know what it means to cross one). Maybe it is a type of "Hollandi" street with little traffic and fairly narrow. Something you only get to if if you want to get there. In short a side street and a dead end.
3 | Liora, Tel Aviv, Tuesday Jan 06, 2009
What *on earth* is JStreet ? I only know of Meretz and the likes.
4 | Marilyn, Tuesday Jan 06, 2009
Rosner you are a fool of a man. Why don't you explain to the whole world why you think the Palestinians have nor right to defend themselves from Israeli oppression, starvation and repression while the Israeli's whine like snotty nosed brats about protecting themselves from tiny rockets.
5 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Tuesday Jan 06, 2009
These creeps aren't criticised enough - this is no Jewish organization, it is an organization of looney-left pro-Arab anti-American ex-Jews, basically the modern equivalent of anti-Semitic apostate Jews in the Middle-Ages, those converted Jews who became the most vicious anti-Semites. To call them traitors is not too harsh. And, they represent almost no one in the Jewish community. They should be condemned by all sectors of the Jewish community making it perfectly clear in the bluntest possible way that they DO NOT represent Jews.
6 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Tuesday Jan 06, 2009
Jews through-out history have been plagued by these ''malshinim'' - traitors to their own people like the informers or the Kapos of the Nazi era. Of course, the mainstream media will exagerate their importance, give them a forum to spread their poison - as if to say, ''look, even Jews are against Israel.'' We have this disgusting phenomenon here in Israel as well & steps should be taken against them - this goes beyond ''free speech'' - treason & sedition is not free speech when it is based on lies & distortions.
7 | Esav Benyamin - US, Tuesday Jan 06, 2009
Liora, J Street is a new American Jewish lobbying organization, created to oppose what they see as the conservative slant of current Jewish lobbyists like AIPAC. In effect, they look to reduce the influence of Jews on American policy by aligning themselves with the anti-war left. I agree with Shlomo that J Street is a dead end with what I see as their pretense of sicnerity but funding from the Soros camp.
8 | sinnerconman (Malaysia), Tuesday Jan 06, 2009
J Street is actually Damascus Street. Hamas would beg to differ and Hamas has been trying to prove the contrast, forcing Israel's hand. Using bombs filled with nails, screws, razor blades, bolts and nuts dipped in poison causing maximal injuries and death in a diameter of more than 100 meters. J Street is the enemy of Israel.
9 | Brynn Olenberg Sugarman, Tuesday Jan 06, 2009
The one person I know of involved in JStreet in the US is a completely assimilated Jew, not raising her kids Jewish, and has no involvement in anything Jewish other than JStreet...to say that such an individual represents American Jewry is a joke...! She and her kind have been brainwashed by the world media and PC politics, with no true concern for Jews and Israel...JStreet claims to represent American Jewry but it's really just a front for yet more blindness and anti-semitism (in this case, self-hatred) from the radical left...
10 | rene van baardewijk Barcelona, Spain, Tuesday Jan 06, 2009
what a one sided view by all these readers, it seems that like in America during the Irak war everyone that was initially against the war was attacked feriously for being a traitor, now 8 years later everyone agrees that invading Irak was the biggest mistake the USA made and only made things worse. The same goes for the attack on Gaza, allthough very understandable that Israel wants to protect itself from incoming rockets, killing 600 or more people is not the answer in fact a whole new generation of Palestinians is now growing up again with a renewed hatred against Israel
11 | Avraham - Yerushalayim, Tuesday Jan 06, 2009
Any Jewish or Israeli organization that proudly counts Avram Burg among its leaders was dead from its inception.
12 | Hero Gaza, Tuesday Jan 06, 2009
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13 | Dan, Tuesday Jan 06, 2009
The line is "A land without people, for a people without land." The problem iwith that line is that there were people there before. What are we to do now, after 60 years? Always be at war, always with boundaries unclear, always trying to make those people fade away? Demonize as Islamic terrorists, anti-semites or self-hating Jews those who oppose?
#7 has it right- there is another battle, one for control of US foreign policy, between AIPAC and J Street. AIPAC-Likud have been in control for a long time, and it isn't getting us anywhere, except more misery more missles more chaos.
14 | Herbert Kaine, Hebron, Israel, Tuesday Jan 06, 2009
J Street is the Jewish arm of Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran. It is the "we are embarassed by Israel and wish it would go away" arm of the Jewish people. Why when we attack terrorists, we are "creating more terrorists". When we do nothing, we also create more terrorists. Why doenst Hamas worry that when they attack us, they might be creating more Jewish terrorists?
15 | Tom, USA, Tuesday Jan 06, 2009
I think you all just screwed the pooch on this one. I don't see this Gaza event as becoming a short term event. I think that as arrogant as you all are you are completely failing to see the larger picture. I am NOT going to elaborate because I am having way too much fun watching you make one mistake after another.
16 | Liora, Tuesday Jan 06, 2009
to 7 ESAV Binyamin from Liora: I see. If I were an American I too would resent that a world minority of 14.000.000 all over the world (how many Jews are there in the USA ?) seems to be in Congress and other American establishments in an unbalanced proportion to their own numbers and to American numbers. First: We become targets. Second: It goes to show that the USA is successful, yes, but not because of the native brain , because of the Jewish brain.
Jews should not be too conspicuous. It is *impossible* to change a 2000 year tradition of antisemitism.
17 | Amnon, the Great AMERICAN Southwest, Tuesday Jan 06, 2009
The only difference between J Street and its leaders, Jeremy Ben Ami and others and the Judenrat Councils of World War II is that in many, if not most instances, the Judenrat had little choice in doing what they did. Furthermore, at the end they too boarded the Cattle Cars and trains or were just shot down in the streets of their Ghettos.
These despicable pro-Hamas scum and liars, funded by a Nazi COLLABORATOR (I'm sure Tom and Per love this guy) Soros, willingly do the anti-Semites and Islamohitlerites biddings. No surprise that they love Obama, or other JINOs like Ross, Miller and Kurtzer
18 | justayid USA, Tuesday Jan 06, 2009
J street is not traitors, just naive. American Jewish lefties, unlike Israeli lefties, are not so much concerned with changing the political situation in the ME, as avoiding embarassment before the goyim.
19 | Amnon, the Great AMERICAN Southwest, Tuesday Jan 06, 2009
Marilyn at 4, you are at best an idiot, at worst a typical Fascist, whether one from inbreeding or from the self-hating variety courtesy of Nazi Collaborator Soros and his Kapos in J Street.
I wonder what you'd do if thugs bombarded your home on a 24 hour a day basis, did drive-by shootings, detonated a bomb on your front lawn, or worse, kidnapping your youngest child and never returned him. Oh, probably just sit and whine, or hope the police MIGHT do something.
If you cannot support this legitimate action of self-defense then you're anti-Semitic just like Tom, Per, and other reptiles.
20 | Esav Benyamin - US, Tuesday Jan 06, 2009
Liora, America is not part of that 2000 year tradition of antisemitism and American Jews are very much natives here as well -- the first Jews arrived in New Amsterdam (now New York) before the British. We are overrepresented in many professions but not all Jews are professionals or politicians. Trying to assimilate, to hide from publicity, to pretend we are harmless -- that only brings contempt. Standing up and telling the world we are going to exercise our rights and our abilities is the only way to be respected by respectable people. Antisemites will hate us no matter what.
21 | Roz-USA, Tuesday Jan 06, 2009
Telling it like it is will not worsen anti-semitism. Fearing what the goyim will think applies when a Jew makes a chilul Hashem-goes against the mitzvos in the Torah. Self defense, after 3 yrs. of suffering the rockets, is an obligation. I always think to myself during the reading of Megillas Esther on Purim that there are plenty of leftist Jews out there, who never having read it, would cringe and call for boycotting "Esther" if they learned how many anti-semites the Jews killed in Shushan and thruout ancient Persia thousands of yrs. ago. Let us all pray for Hashem's help.
22 | Joe Smith Boston, Tuesday Jan 06, 2009
from now on I believe the jewish people cannot continue to support the so called two state solution there are already two states in the area israel and jordan. If you analyze history thats what the world really thought was the best policy from the beginning King Abdullah the hashemite and fateher to king Hussein was to rule over Arab palestine and the jews in the western part. That is the most sensible solution. But the obduracy of the Arabs keeps preventing this.
23 | Margalit, USA, Tuesday Jan 06, 2009
J Street is a Joke, you can't take them seriously!. They don't have any credibility and facts with them.
They're blinded by hatred just like Radicals Islam.
24 | United States, Thursday Jan 08, 2009
A very substantial plurality of Jews in my community, including nearly a whole membership of one synagogue, led by Rabbi John Friedman (rabbifriedman@btvshalom.org) who, as you see is a leader in the companian group which calls itself the pro-Israel Peace movement, very clearly support J Street. Many are affiliated and active. Although this community may be an abberancy, the general tone of the letters above that these people cannot claim representation may be sadly untrue. We certaintly should not be resting. You may want to email Rabbi Friedman and ask where he thinks stand.
25 | Ed, Friday Jan 09, 2009
I believe J Street speaks for most American Jews. Besides Israel's opaqueness about this mess (why won't they abide by the Israeli Supreme court's ruling to allow the press into Gaza?), the end game is hard to comprehend - how many Arabs does Israel have to kill to "win"?
26 | Rossolimo, Friday Jan 09, 2009
How can a sane society cast an occupier and continual coloniser with massive military power as the victim while those who have been dispossessed and are occupied and colonised and militarily powerless by comparison are the aggressor? It is insane. There is no other word for it. You are saying that the Jews in the Warsaw Ghetto were aggressors and the Nazis the victims, that the French Resistance was a terrorist organisation and the German occupiers were victims. No other occupied and colonised people have ever been judged the aggressor. You are being lied to and only the truth can set you free
27 | not billclinton, Saturday Jan 10, 2009
reply to #10 --_n not every american was against the Irak war, but every eur-o-pee-on was except for the brits..
What the Iraq war did was justify the attacks of several americans in europe , including in spain, but you cowardly euros, instead of taking on the american military stationed in europe, instead picked on innocent tourists. It must make you proud to spit on young american children, or rough up some 65 or 70 year old sightseeing in europe, or threatening some woman, big bad eur-o-pee-ons aren't you.
then you Euros got scared when we dumped French Wine in the gutters. HA HA HA
28 | Nelson Schlein, Sunday Sep 13, 2009
J Street shows just how unrepresentative of American Jewish opinion AIPAC and its ilk are. It's about about time a lobbying organization took the interests of America and Israel to heart, and stopped blindly supporting all of Israel's most outrageous, dangerous, and destructive policies, regardless. Many Jews can see and think for themselves, we understand the inhumanity of Israel's policies, the illegality of its attacks upon civilians, and the absolute demise of Jewish morality that the State of Israel has come to represent. That you demonize J Street shows just how lost you have become.
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