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Rosner's Domain: Israel Factor prediction: No confrontation on two state solution

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The Israel Factor panel might be wrong. Its members predict that the US government isn't going to deal directly with Hamas, but this prediction was collected from the panelists prior to recent revelations in the LAT according to which the Obama administration "has opened the door a crack to engagement with the militant group Hamas" (the LAT reports that "the administration has asked Congress for minor changes in U.S. law that would permit aid to continue flowing to Palestinians in the event Hamas-backed officials become part of a unified Palestinian government").

If you don't know what's The Israel Factor, click here.

The Israel Factor assessment of Obama's Iran policy here.

Generally speaking, the panel of eight Israeli experts was not shocked or utterly upset by many of the initial moves taken by the new team regarding the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. The panel believes that selecting former Senator George Mitchell to be special envoy was reasonable, and isn't surprised to see Obama sticking to the good-old Road Map and Annapolis. Some of the panelists aren't quite happy about it, but even those panelists can't say it was unexpected.

Take a look, the number on the left is the average mark on a scale of 1 (terrible) to 5 (fantastic). I added a U for unanimous decision, and S for split decision:

The US will talk directly to Hamas in the coming year

2.125 U

Obama's decision to name Mitchell as special envoy

3.875 U

Obama's insistence on 2 state solution

3.5 S

Obama's declared commitment to the road map and Annapolis

3.625 S

It's also interesting to note that the panel is relatively unimpressed by the war of words over the viability and desirability of the Two State Solution idea. While Netanyahu insists on refraining from publicly voice his commitment to the TSS, and Obama insists on publicly recommitting the US to the TSS - hence raising speculation of possible confrontation over this issue when the two leaders meet next month - the panel sees no such confrontation. Not over the TSS:

Obama and Netanyahu are on the path to confrontation

2.625

Confrontation regarding 2 state solution is inevitable

2.375

Tomorrow we will explore some issue on which confrontation is more likely.

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1  |  PZ, Tuesday Apr 28, 2009
Israel Factor: living in a dream world. Give it a rest, Rosner -- you and your pathetic little panel have done more than enough damage. Stop trying to spin American poltics. (A) you are *terrible* at it. And (B) its none of your damn business.
2  |  Dr. Dan in USA, Tuesday Apr 28, 2009
Obama is clever to ask Congress to approve $800 million going to a hypothetical Hamas-Fatah government even when Hamas does not give in and accept the internationally-recognized state of Israel. When Congress votes "NO" Obama can earn points with the Muslim world by pointing out he tried--- but the realites do not permit US support for terrorist Hamas dedicated to the destruction of the state of Israel. So then he can ask others in the region to pressure Hamas, to call for new elections, to stop supporting terrorism, and even --surprise of surprise -- recognize Israel right now.
3  |  Yacov Yosifovitch :U.S.A is Mother-Ship of ISRAEL, not SAUDi, Tuesday Apr 28, 2009
Continued: Besides direct Trade, like in NAFTA, THAT Before Israel re-cedes ANY Landa or gives-in, not forced, to contract back to pre-67 Borders because America said so, & to Share-JERUSALEM with them crazed Jealous/Beduin/Animals who walk on 2-feet; Then America needs a 28th-AMENDMENT to Guarantee EveryAny Israeli {SABRA'S} Automatic U.S. DUAL-CITIZENSHIP & Gurantee safe-pasage in the event of a future [succesful] Arab attack like attempted 1948 etc. RECOMMENDATION: In xchange for LAND & PA to have a seat in E.JERUSALEM, Let Saudi Arabia Gurantee Israel FREE-PETROLIUM & Tourism Control!
4  |  matteo d'agostino italy, Tuesday Apr 28, 2009
mr rosner every day you try your best to make sure that any peace accord initiatives between israelis and palestinians do not happen. it seems you don't want peace with the palestinians, but that they should be simply subdued.
5  |  matteo d'agostino italy, Tuesday Apr 28, 2009
mr rosner every day you try your best to make sure that any peace accord initiatives between israelis and palestinians do not happen. it seems you don't want peace with the palestinians, but that they should be simply subdued.
6  |  Yacov Yosifovitch :Special Drawing Rights for Terrorist Acts, Tuesday Apr 28, 2009
Recommendation: From now ON; Any "Anti-Humanity Acts" perpetrated by Any ISLAMIC in the STATE Of ISRAEL {outside too} or at, should be Billed or subtracted against Any Moneys the PALISTINIAN-AUTHORITY claims. Example: For Every Rocket launched at israel Proper {damage or not} will cost [debited] the PA, say $5,000,000+ each. So 10000 rockets = 5 Billion.. And if the money exceeds what's in the PA's coffers via israel that ,Let America's Treasury Dep't debit or Shift moneys from Saudi Arabia or Syria or Iran or even Jordans "Foreign Account Balance Reserves to ISRAEL for injury, stress etc.
7  |  trumpeldor,eurabyia, Tuesday Apr 28, 2009
To matteo d'agostino Italy, Before implying non facts,would you be so kind to visit Israel ONCE in your life 1. You will discover how minute this country is and how much people want REAL peace.. 2. The San Remo agreements signed in your beautiful country in 1920 are still legally valid and binding . They give the whole sovereignty fom Med to Dead sea TO THE JEWISH PEOPLE.
8  |  Italian, Tuesday Apr 28, 2009
trumpeldor,eurabyia: There is no such a thing as a Jewish people. There is only a Jewish religion. Jews are not carbon copies of each others. You are as diverse as Catholics and Muslims are. Yes, you have certain common customs stemming from religious traditions, but so what. Every people has the same characters. In any case you have no to right to steal the homeland of a people and then call it your own. A country that hates peace, like Israel, must be challenged by the internatioal community. A country that steal land and builds colonies for these settler thugs doesn't want peace.
9  |  Venician, Tuesday Apr 28, 2009
Yacov Yosifovitch : you must have read "the Merchant of Venice" many many times. Have you forgotten that you stole their homeland and expelled them to the four corners of the Globe?
10  |  observer, Tuesday Apr 28, 2009
No peace without Hamas. Period Besides, why should Hamas recognize Israel when Israel doesn't recognize Palestine?
11  |  Yacov Yosifovitch :Islamic Middle-MEN as Merchants of Death, Tuesday Apr 28, 2009
#9. I never ever read a book or play nor movie involving YE (not OUR) so called "Merchant Of Venus." INCAMERA (Secret): I'm a RETIRED (self Employed) Ex-International Smuggler. And in the real world I [WE] was dealing with "Merchants of Death" so to spaketh TRUTH (opposite MYTH). They should've made a movie about US [ME]. Important: I dealt with many countries in Middle-East. I saw how the Arab Nations gave "Special Priviledges" or treatment to Yassar Arafats Gang; in Karachi, Dubai, Mecca etc.. I remember how Fatahs would Buy Hashish in Afghanistan ship to Pakistan & export to Arab nations.
12  |  Venician, Tuesday Apr 28, 2009
Yacov Yosifovitch....and I saw how a member of God's lying people concocts lies about Muslims in order to justify the crime against humanity otherwise known as Israel.
13  |  Yacov Yosifovitch The W.Bank NEXUS & the ANNEXation of GAZA., Tuesday Apr 28, 2009
Recommendation:: i [WE], Lovers & Worshipers of the "HOLY COSMIC FEELER's FAITH" {Ho-Co-Fe-Fa} SYSTEM; a belief ,like a Religion but based on TRUTH (opposite MYTH), a.k.a The NEW-SONG coming from All OUR Old-Songs [Chumash/Bibles, Quran/Korans, Geeta/Kangyurs..], aka 'the Religion Of Everything before the science of everything" THAT,; Instead of throwing Rocks "Pledge" $1,000,000 U.S, for the creation of a "PALISTINIAN Bridge, Rail & Highway AUTHORITY" that will ANNEX via HIGHWAY & Parallel dual-Rail system From GAZA to W. BANK proper! Imagine, JOBS, TRADES.. like in NYC a Gawanas Expwy! YA?
14  |  THE GURU Australia, Tuesday Apr 28, 2009
ITALIAN "Ibin Stupido"...Catholics recognise THE OLD TESTAMENT...The Catholics worship a JEW whose religion was JUDAISM.They worship the "person" NOT the religion.The Muslims recognise the OLD TESTAMENT from which THEY STOLE the principles laws and rituals of JUDAISM and made these into the basis of their religion ISLAM and having done so set out to destroy JUDAISM to cover their theft. By recognising THE OLD TESTAMENT they in fact recognised ALL THAT LAND referred to in THE OLD TESTAMENT as Land given to the JEWS by GOD. The ARABS are SQUATTERS and thugs who want to kill for JEWISH LAND*
15  |  THE GURU Australia, Tuesday Apr 28, 2009
ITALIAN "Ibin Stupido"...Catholics recognise THE OLD TESTAMENT...The Catholics worship a JEW whose religion was JUDAISM.They worship the "person" NOT the religion.The Muslims recognise the OLD TESTAMENT from which THEY STOLE the principles laws and rituals of JUDAISM and made these into the basis of their religion ISLAM and having done so set out to destroy JUDAISM to cover their theft. By recognising THE OLD TESTAMENT they in fact recognised ALL THAT LAND referred to in THE OLD TESTAMENT as Land given to the JEWS by GOD. The ARABS are SQUATTERS and thugs who want to kill for JEWISH LAND*
16  |  aboriginal, Tuesday Apr 28, 2009
The Guru...you are only cheapening yourself in the yes of posters here by babbling non-sense. But this is a age-old Talmudic tactic, when you are overwhelmed by truth, when you are cornered by reason and logic, you resort to making silly jokes, distractions and name-calling. Besides, what Judaism are you talking about? The Judaism of Madauf, the Judaism of the thugs of Gush Emunim, the Judaism of Chesronot Shas, or the Judaism of David Batsri and Merkaz Hara'v? I really feel sorry for people like you. You are thyself's god...and hell shall be your final abode.
17  |  mick uk, Tuesday Apr 28, 2009
there is no such place called palestine,this was a roman invention.the land is GODS,and was given to the jewish people.the world is on a collision course,with the GOD of israel,if it keeps trying to take land off the jewish people,be very aware mr obama.
18  |  Roberta Jost USA, Tuesday Apr 28, 2009
What kind of "foolish talking" do we have going on here? Facts are: When Jesus, himself, returns, He will get all things organized --pronto! Let's look for HIS COMING. I AM LOOKING.
19  |  Josh, USA, Tuesday Apr 28, 2009
With books like the Isael Lobby and Israel and the Bomb (both Jewish authors) being expected course reading in many universities, it will not be long before the U.S. starts breaking away from its massive support of Israel. While Lieberman and Spector have their loyalties, so do the rest of Americans, and we are far more numerous. I feel no ill will towards Israel or the Jewish faith and wish the best for all Israelis, however, our suport of Israel has never been appreciated, and the recent actions by AIPAC are clear eveidence of that.
20  |  Josh, USA, Tuesday Apr 28, 2009
With books like the Isael Lobby and Israel and the Bomb (both Jewish authors) being expected course reading in many universities, it will not be long before the U.S. starts breaking away from its massive support of Israel. While Lieberman and Spector have their loyalties, so do the rest of Americans, and we are far more numerous. I feel no ill will towards Israel or the Jewish faith and wish the best for all Israelis, however, our suport of Israel has never been appreciated, and the recent actions by AIPAC are clear eveidence of that.
21  |  Josh, USA, Tuesday Apr 28, 2009
With books like the Israel Lobby and Israel and the Bomb (both Jewish authors) being expected course reading in many universities, it will not be long before the U.S. starts breaking away from its massive support of Israel. While Lieberman and Spector have their loyalties, so do the rest of Americans, and we are far more numerous. I feel no ill will towards Israel or the Jewish faith and wish the best for all Israelis, however, our suport of Israel has never been appreciated, and the recent actions by AIPAC are clear eveidence of that.
22  |  Yacov Yosifovitch Fact:"Merchants-of-Jerusalem" killed Jesus, Wednesday Apr 29, 2009
#9. Note: i [WE] am no longer a [PELEGian EBERu] a.k.a. a JUdeo-Jew nor a Judeo-Christian, Judeo-Islamic, Judeo-Hindu or aJudeo-Buddha. i'm an APOCALYPTARIAN now. How about YE? Please, don't be a PRE-Apocalyptarian [thinker]. INCAMERA: In OUR "Ho-Co-Fe-Fa" religion via the "ULTRA-PARA-TESTAMENT" Of the NEW-SONG" therein REVEALs (opposite SECRET) to Us a big MYSTERY. IT was Beduin-Idol-Worshiping-Arabs MERCHANSwhom payed & chiped-in, with Pharasees (did not act alone), to have Mr.Rabbi Yashua/Jesus [pbuh et al] killed via a "Four-Way-Totem-Pole"in JERUSALEM! History is OUR-Jury,Judge&Witnes.
23  |  Debra, UK, Wednesday Apr 29, 2009
# 14 stated what every learned person knows, including Islamic and Christian scholars. Judaism is the source of their cultural perspectives, truth and concepts. The whole conflict is a blasphemy of their religions.Tthe failure to declare it only discredits their religions and indicates their detachment from the truth.
24  |  No name brand, Wednesday Apr 29, 2009
Poor Mr. Rosner. He gets some readable, thoughtful comments, but many responders need a writing class, at the least, and prob. some time with a good psychiatrist, preferably an in-patient experience. Why does this site attract lunatics, many open anti-semites? By the way, most anti-semites are NOT crazy, but they ARE evil people.
25  |  THE GURU, Wednesday Apr 29, 2009
#16 You must be that ITALIAN masquerading as "aboriginal"..I stand by my Post#15 ..read it again and EDUCATE yourself with what IS the truth..logic..fact..reason. IF name calling is calling a Spade a Spade by profiling the antagonist then SO BE IT..The jokes are only "silly" because they reflect silly-ness of the subject they refer to... there is only ONE JUDAISM and that is the JUDAISM FROM WHICH ISLAM STOLE as REFERRED TO in my Post #15.Thank you for NOT denying the undenible fact of THE OLD TESTAMENT...Tell us of the Jihad TACTIC of using murder as penalty for refusing to convert to ISLAM>
26  |  THE GURU, Wednesday Apr 29, 2009
#16 You must be that ITALIAN masquerading as "aboriginal"..I stand by my Post#15 ..read it again and EDUCATE yourself with what IS the truth..logic..fact..reason. IF name calling is calling a Spade a Spade by profiling the antagonist then SO BE IT..The jokes are only "silly" because they reflect silly-ness of the subject they refer to... there is only ONE JUDAISM and that is the JUDAISM FROM WHICH ISLAM STOLE as REFERRED TO in my Post #15.Thank you for NOT denying the undenible fact of THE OLD TESTAMENT...Tell us of the Jihad TACTIC of using murder as penalty for refusing to convert to ISLAM>
27  |  Shel Zahav in Jerusalem, Wednesday Apr 29, 2009
There are already two states. Jordan was carved out of 2/3 of Palestine. That is the Arab state. The rest, except for Gaza, is the Jewish state. Gaza can be whatever type of Arab-hell the fools there want to create for themselves.
28  |  Alex, Boston, Wednesday Apr 29, 2009
To Italians: How about to bring South Tirol back to Austria? Or you pretend to be the winners of WWI and thus deserving this land where people prefer speak German even now. Jews lived in their land incessantly for thousand years ...Make me a favor ..stop your primitive european demagogy
29  |  Santa, Wednesday Apr 29, 2009
Debra, what is Judaism? Islam and Christianity reject Talmudic Judaism or Rabbism. God gave Moses the Torah, not Shulhan Aruch or Rambam. There are even Jews who reject the Talmud, e.g. the Karaites. As to Judaism being the source of Islam and Christianity, this is nonsense. The origin of all Abrahamic religion is God. And God had revealed to Adam, Noah, Idris, Abraham, etc. long before Judaism. In any case, present-day Judaism is not the same religion that Moses preached. Today's Judaism is very much a cult. The source hre is Baba Moshe, baba zohar, Baba this and baba that.
30  |  trumpeldor, Wednesday Apr 29, 2009
@"matteo d'agostino" italy, Since We,the Jews,do not exist as people in your opinion,what are you doing on this site ??????
31  |  THE GURU Australia, Wednesday Apr 29, 2009
SANTA.HELLO again...Once AGAIN you have been EXPOSED..you concede that GOD is the GOD of Abraham. Accordingly (whether you like it or not) GOD of ABRAHAM ...ISSAC...JACOB...MOSES...all are of THE OLD TESTAMENT...all are the source of JUDAISM and as you claim ISLAM....BUT you CANNOT escape THE FACT that ISLAM was INVENTED around 600AD long AFTER JUDAISM which existed THOUSANDS of years BEFORE Islam. Tell us of the ENGINE called JIHAD that DRIVES Islam and its agenda of MURDER of all Infidels who resist being CONVERTED to ISLAM. Do YOU have MORALITY to CONDEMN this BARBARIC AGENDA ?..DO TELL*
32  |  THE GURU Australia, Wednesday Apr 29, 2009
SANTA.HELLO again...Once AGAIN you have been EXPOSED..you concede that GOD is the GOD of Abraham. Accordingly (whether you like it or not) GOD of ABRAHAM ...ISSAC...JACOB...MOSES...all are of THE OLD TESTAMENT...all are the source of JUDAISM and as you claim ISLAM....BUT you CANNOT escape THE FACT that ISLAM was INVENTED around 600AD long AFTER JUDAISM which existed THOUSANDS of years BEFORE Islam. Tell us of the ENGINE called JIHAD that DRIVES Islam and its agenda of MURDER of all Infidels who resist being CONVERTED to ISLAM. Do YOU have MORALITY to CONDEMN this BARBARIC AGENDA ?..DO TELL*
33  |  Josh, USA, Wednesday Apr 29, 2009
Why do the people of Israel lobby so insesently for American support? Obviously Rosner does not think the people of Israel are capable of surviving without it. His articles revolve around the U.S. and U.S. foreign policy. Wouldn't a better course of action be writing to aquire peace and a viable sollution to the problem that is Arab-Isaeli relations. Please seek to fix the mess you created in 48'. The world provided you with your homeland. Use your great brains to fix the problem.
34  |  Debra, UK, Wednesday Apr 29, 2009
# 29 Santa. You refer to a spectrum of opinion that naturally exists in every society. They merely relate to the concept, they neither redefine it nor represnt it.Judaism is defined exclusively by Mosaic Law,the Torah. It is clearly said the patriarch(Abraham) did not reach the same level.The physical aspect that idolatry is wrong and there is a power above is not quite the concept of God, rather a vague idea.Only the highest level has a universal dimension that can extract the natrual law. Jesus himself said he came to obey the Law and Mohammed studied both religions prior to his version.
35  |  Chaim - Israel, Wednesday Apr 29, 2009
Israel MUST have a leader with the courage to clearly and unequivocally REJECT the two state Final Solution. Even the most cursory glance at a map reveals that if, heaven forbid, we ever allow it's implementation, our tiny nation would not last another decade. Imagine our Gaza retreat disaster times a thousand! Imagine every single Israeli city and town within the range of terrorist rockets. Our tiny state would immediately become indefensible and soon uninhabitable. We must not longer play games. Now is the time for us to uncompromisingly reject the two state Final Solution.
36  |  Cliff Gibeau, Wednesday Apr 29, 2009
This is more not a comment but a question, has Israel forfeited the temple mount ?
37  |  Cliff Gibeau, Wednesday Apr 29, 2009
After reviewing some of the comments I am amazed that a great number of folks are missing the real truth, God choice the jewish people, that is cut and dry,weather you like it or not. That was his choice, if you disapprove thats cool, that is your choice.don't try to play politic with God his word is final.
38  |  Josh, USA, Wednesday Apr 29, 2009
LOL God chose you because you wrote the books! The funny thing is that there is no clear consesnsus in the religious community of who actually wrote Genesis. Moreover, that argument of being the chosen people is fine, well, and good, but if that is actually the case then God holds you to a hire standard. I'm sure he would not feel pleased with your apartide like control of the Palestinians. President Carter is a man that is slow to anger, but if hes writting a book about your mistreatment of Palestinians there is probably more fire than smoke to that argument.
39  |  Duncan Lennox Canada, Wednesday Apr 29, 2009
To Cliff Gibeau; Even Israeli archeologists agree that the ancient Israelites were just native Canaanites and that there was no Exodus from Egypt or invasion by Joshua (as he skirted around the giants ?). The Torah is a set of fables, less cohesive than the Iliad , because it was written by multiple authors and then redited many times including adding the book of Deuteronomy. Thus there was no Moses; no covenant ; no promised land just fables. Judaism is just a tool that the Zionists used to achieve their goal of a homeland at the expense of the indigenous population of Palestine.
40  |  THE GURU Australia, Thursday Apr 30, 2009
DUNCAN.......According to yoy there is NO "DUNCAN".....and you are JUST A "FABLE"....living with the "FARIES" in LA LA LAND...you are One Hellava...S I C K...SON OF A BITCH...It would be a waste of time and effort if I were to ask God to Help a MORON like you.........
41  |  THE GURU Australia, Thursday Apr 30, 2009
DUNCAN.......According to yoy there is NO "DUNCAN".....and you are JUST A "FABLE"....living with the "FARIES" in LA LA LAND...you are One Hellava...S I C K...SON OF A BITCH...It would be a waste of time and effort if I were to ask God to Help a MORON like you.........
42  |  Albert Adrian Brazil, Thursday Apr 30, 2009
PEOPLE PLEASE STOP WITH IDEAS AND START FROM FACTS. YOU CAN BE WRIGHT BUT I AM STRONGER AND GIVE YOU A KICK IN YOUR ASS. STOP WITH NOSENSE BIBLICAL REASONS FOR JEWISH PROMISSE LAND. EVERY METER WAS WORKED WITH SWEAT UNDER FIRE WITH LITTLE WATER AND SACRIFICE. NO IDEA IS STRONGER THAT ACTION. JEWS MAKE A COUNTRY PALESTINIANS REMAIN IN REFUGEE CAMPS
43  |  Josh, USA, Thursday Apr 30, 2009
I think the great question is, what does Israel want? The Palistinians are at your mercy. You have the full support of the United States. What do you want to do about the problem? I'm asking this question with full sincerity. Could a level headed Israeli please respond to this. I'm actually very curious. Im sure most reponses would fall in two camps: 1) To expell Palestinians from there land to expand the nation of Israel to equal the land that we fought for or 2) A reasonable seperation that would not stiffle Israeli growth and would satisfy Palestinians enough to end terror campains.
44  |  THE GURU Australia, Thursday Apr 30, 2009
JOSH.The answer to your question is that in effect 1) ISRAEL wants to BE LEFT ALONE and that means FREE from attack by ANY Islamists near or far 2) ISRAELwants ISLAM to honor JEWISH LAND referred to in THE OLD TESTAMENT and given by GOD to the JEWS.Islam has ALREADY ACKNOW- LEDGED the OLD TESTAMENT 3) RENOUNCE and REPUDIATE Islams SWORN COMMITMENT to MURDER all JEWS for NO OTHER REASON than they areJEWS 4) RENOUNCE and REPUDIATE AHMEDINEJAB's PROMISE to destroy ISRAEL and All JEWS. Realistically thats like asking ISLAM to REPUDIATE Islam ITSELF.... its like WHISTLING IN THE WIND.
45  |  THE GURU Australia, Thursday Apr 30, 2009
JOSH.The answer to your question is that in effect 1) ISRAEL wants to BE LEFT ALONE and that means FREE from attack by ANY Islamists near or far 2) ISRAELwants ISLAM to honor JEWISH LAND referred to in THE OLD TESTAMENT and given by GOD to the JEWS.Islam has ALREADY ACKNOW- LEDGED the OLD TESTAMENT 3) RENOUNCE and REPUDIATE Islams SWORN COMMITMENT to MURDER all JEWS for NO OTHER REASON than they areJEWS 4) RENOUNCE and REPUDIATE AHMEDINEJAB's PROMISE to destroy ISRAEL and All JEWS. Realistically thats like asking ISLAM to REPUDIATE Islam ITSELF.... its like WHISTLING IN THE WIND.
46  |  THE GURU Australia, Thursday Apr 30, 2009
NEWSBREAK....Important BREAKING NEWS ! !.....Just caught the Australian eavening NEWS: ....The Taliban have been caught USING WOMEN and CHILDREN...As HUMAN SHIELDS ! ! ....Lets see....now doesn't that ring a bell ?....yes of course...BUT then again that is ACCEPTED PRACTICE in Islamic warfare... and CLEAR EVIDANCE of ISLAMIC Cowardice......
47  |  THE GURU Australia, Thursday Apr 30, 2009
NEWSBREAK....Important BREAKING NEWS ! !.....Just caught the Australian eavening NEWS: ....The Taliban have been caught USING WOMEN and CHILDREN...As HUMAN SHIELDS ! ! ....Lets see....now doesn't that ring a bell ?....yes of course...BUT then again that is ACCEPTED PRACTICE in Islamic warfare... and CLEAR EVIDANCE of ISLAMIC Cowardice......
48  |  Duncan Lennox Canada, Thursday Apr 30, 2009
To : THE GURU Australia Yes ,I am just a Goy in the eyes of silly orthadox Jews, but for many Israelis and much of the rest of the world it is the irrational religious zealots that are the problem. A 2 state solution based on a roll back of the borders defined by the 1947 UN resolution with the Jewish homeland holding 55% of Palestine is still unjust to the Palestinians but at least is a measure of justice. Calling me names doesn`t change the facts. ie Israel has carried out an official policy of ethnic cleansing for 60 yrs and there is NO religious basis for modern Israel just propaganda.
49  |  Saramugsy North Carolina, Friday May 01, 2009
In reply to: "35 | Chaim - Israel, Wednesday Apr 29, 2009 Israel MUST have a leader with the courage to clearly and unequivocally REJECT the two state Final Solution. Even the most cursory glance at a map reveals that if, heaven forbid, we ever allow it's implementation, our tiny nation would not last another decade. Imagine our Gaza retreat disaster times a thousand! Imagine every single Israeli city and town within the range of terrorist rockets..... Now is the time for us to uncompromisingly reject the two state Final Solution." I agree 100%. Why do others not see it?
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