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Wednesday Oct 28, 2009
Rosner's Domain: Hugging the Jewish idiotPosted by SHMUEL ROSNER
Comments: 34      Follow Rosner's Domain on Twitter! / Join me on Facebook! Ron Kampeas wrote a moving (yes, I can be moved!) report from the J Street festival. Here are the final paragraphs: And so, yes, J Street's opinions are at times ill-informed, unformed, unfounded, and its dithering on questions as urgent as Iran makes me crazy as a reporter (Just say something that actually makes sense, please!) but this is because it is listening, not dictating. Because they are Jewish. And yes, the people it is trying to bring in are vexing and vexatious. And some of them pose a real dilemma: They also don't want to listen. These unreconstructed leftist Zionist, non-Zionists, anti-Zionists are gleeful that the "other side," the establishment, boycotted the conference. It makes it easier to wax triumphalist (It's the age of Obama, the establishment is breathing its last!) And this is J Street's challenge (and I honestly wonder if it is up to it), to convince them to listen to the establishment and to the right, because they are Jewish. And so, yes, I wanted to slap the little snot upside the head for babbling on about supporting two states for "practical" not "ideological" reasons (we are so past that), but, heaven help me, I also wanted to embrace him. I wanted to shift and shuffle, and shout at him that he was an idiot and an ignoramus, but also to embrace him. Because he is Jewish. Read it in full (Sorry Ron, it is still too long) here.
1 | Abu Nabril, Wednesday Oct 28, 2009
EXELLENT - I"M MOVED
2 | Evgeni Levin, Rehovot, Wednesday Oct 28, 2009
There is no reason to embrace an idiot just because of his ethnic background. Jewish idiot must be rejected as well as Arab, Russian and other idiots.
3 | Moshavnik, Israel, Wednesday Oct 28, 2009
The only problem with this thesis is that we are not playing a game or participating in a debate club. It is we Israelis who go to the army, send our children to the army, get blown up by terrorists and have missiles shot at us by the Hizbulla, Hamas and Iraq.
You want to influence Israeli policy? Move to Israel and vote or run for office
4 | Ben Israel, Wednesday Oct 28, 2009
Giving direct or indirect support to Israel's enemies as so many of J-Street's supporters do is "Jewish"? Really"? Since When? What is "Jewish" about that?
5 | Fred - Lost in the Negev, Wednesday Oct 28, 2009
JStreet will self destruct before Obama's first term is up as they won't find firm ground to make a statement that makes sense. They will fall into the trap of commenting on other Jewish issues and they will soon descover that the only members still around also belong to arab , neo nazi and KKK groups. They are no different than todays hotest ice cream flavor. True their membership has got to increase as do all groups in the beginning, but they will melt fairly quickly. Wait til they comment against the Holocaust ever happening. Every religion has their screwballs - JStreet is ours.
6 | Yacov Yosifovitch NYc :BewareTheNeoTURKishFacist"AL TAQIYAH", Wednesday Oct 28, 2009
Hear Ye Hear YE O' sweet sweet SABRA(s) of Yisroel; HARK, for the HOLYi-NO-MAN via the MELCHiZEDEK is spaketh! Becarefull! Stop Fighting among Ye selves! Don't be Fools! Beware the Great Conspiracy [CommunIZms & the IZLAMic UMMA via their WAHABi's "Elders of AL TAQIYAH" (Islamic-ZIonism to Conquor, IslamIZe today's Round-Earth & no longer Flat-Earth, unlike the CORDOBA invasion by "Turks & CO. that inflamed the "iNQUISITION of 1492. As a "FREUDIAN Slip Of GEnuine Prophecy", for ALL the NON-Islamic UMMAH SECULAR-World, That TURKEYs "Elders of TAQIYAH" ZIinsm failed to-Infiltrate EURO. Thank G-D!
7 | Cry, USA, Wednesday Oct 28, 2009
You want someone to embrace, embrace the citizens of Sderot. Embrace the innocent Israelis who were kicked out of their homes in Gaza. Embrace the victims of Arab terror. Embrace the IDF. Embrace the nation and people of Israel. Leave embracing Jewish idiots to the enemies of Israel who rejoice that some of us Jews are in fact idiots- as J Street and some authors prove.
8 | Yacov Yosifovitch :BeCarefullWhenHugging Any"AL TAQIYAH"folk, Wednesday Oct 28, 2009
Correction. I mean; a "FREUDIAN Slip Of GEnuine Prophecy", for ALL the Non-Islamic, WORLD/Community to WITTNESS, not 53 Nation islami-UMMAH, in Order to See The-PATTERN(s). O' SABRA's & FRIENDS can't Ye see the Elder of"AL TAQIYAH"ist PATTERNs? Ye see how Them Sneaky/Tricky "Satanic Versis" Lovers or "Elders of "AL TAQIYAHs ZIinsm are acting because ISLAM failed to-Infiltrate EURO? Thank G-D! Besides the ARABOUS's Stealing&Hijacking our JUDEO-abe-JU & JUDEO-abe-CHRISTs G-D etc. theyr possesed w/"Religio Jealousy Psychosis" &like Drug-Addicts Relapsing again via "PRE-APOCALYPTIC SiN-DROME"s!
9 | David, Wednesday Oct 28, 2009
Rosner I am one of those idiot Jews.
I would like to become a smart, wise, and patriotic Jew like you; so please give me a practical scenario I can believe in that will remove the local inhabits of Judea and Samaria out of our land, will settle the Gaza situation once and for all, and still maintain democracy in Israel.
When you present such solution, I/m with you all the way, But, in the absent of one please climb down from the three and start thinking clearly and realistically, old and unrealistic ideology leads nowhere, pragmatism is the only way to go.
10 | ralph, toronto, Wednesday Oct 28, 2009
a useful idiot is still an idiot and an enemy dangerous to us all. No hugs just a bitch slap hard across the head!!
11 | Mark Jeffery Koch Cherry Hill, New Jersey USA, Wednesday Oct 28, 2009
If you want to embrace someone do not embrace JStreet, an enemy of Israel that wants America and the world to force Israel to make dangerous concessions to its security and survival. Embrace the families of the two soldiers Hezbollah kidnapped and for years refused to allow the world to know the truth about, embrace the children of Sderot who have to hide in shelters from the Kassam missiles, embrace the families of those innocent Israeli men, women and children who lost loved ones that Hamas blew to pieces in restaurants, supermarkets & busses. Embrace those who love Israel, not who hate it.
12 | Yacov Yosifovitch:ALL Non-IslamicShould-Not-BuyTURKiSH-stuff, Wednesday Oct 28, 2009
ALL "NON-JUDEO-abe-iSLAMICS, not MUSLIMs on Earth, Should Not Buy Any TURKiSH, SYRIAN,IRANIAN (includes Ruggs etc..) Product or Hostile Nations Products. Any Means Every & ALL Perishable, non Perishable goods. Includes Any turkish owned SERVICES offerings, Business. The World should teach, not Only Irans Big Mouth, ex-Zoroastrian turned JUDEO-abe-Islamic Shia, Mr. Mahmoud "aMADmanofJIHADD" , but also Turkish Big Mouth, also an Ex-Idol Worshipers turned JUDEO-abe-Islamic Sultanic ,Mr. ERODGAN. Oppps, not to mention their other Conspiring partner in International Crime HIZBrother ASSADirian.
13 | Duncan Lennox, Canada, Wednesday Oct 28, 2009
To #7 Cry, USA: Why would anyone cry for the citizens of Sderot. 75% of the Gaza province of Pal`n was stolen in 1948 by the Zionists including Sderot. In 1947 UN ceded ~45% of their native land to them. In 1948 half of that was stolen by Zionists & ethnically cleansed creating 750K refugees & emptying 425 villages & 12 urban centers of their indigenous popul`n. Sdferot is on Pal`n(Gaza) land. The Gaza Jews were colonizers using apartheid laws to control water & resources while turning the Pal`s into serfs in their own land. J Street is a start but Zionism`s worst acts must be reversed.
14 | Yacov Yosifovitch :FRANCE,NO-RUSSIAshouldProcessIransUranium, Wednesday Oct 28, 2009
Dear Fellow SABRA/O's; TURKEY Landa is the "Vanguard" ofthe WAHHABi "AL TAQIYAH" [Secretive] Religio-Based Islamic International base. And PAKISTAN, whom is on a big-SWAT of Stolen-Landa since 1947+/- From Peaceful INDIA, not to mention on Stolen Kashmere, Bangladesh... is the "Vanguard" of Al iSLAM FOR: The Elders of Saudi's WAHABI -bi's whom are the Benefactors of all SUNNY-A-BOMBs & the Comming wanabe SHIA-B-BOMB et al! The SAUDI or GULF Partners already have a NUKE hidden somewhere Givenby PAKi, &Syrias Atomic Technicians & Irans & Pakistans together will Build a SULTAN-C-Bomb for TURKEY.
15 | Ben, Wednesday Oct 28, 2009
Because he is left Jewish.The love to Jewish has an analogy to cmmmunist,leftist love to oppressed people,slaves.That was not just symppathy,leftists believe that opprest are moraly superior then oppresive people.It`s so often that we love somebody for his weakness.
16 | Herb, Silver Spring, Maryland, Wednesday Oct 28, 2009
Almost all attending the J Street conference would be embarrassed and ashamed at Kampeas's embrace for their being Jewish as they are just for being born Jewish. Their whole lives are dedicated to showing that they are "reasonable" Jews, not like other Jews, who they believe are like the false stereotypes and libels that the gentiles have attached to us, and they condemn their fellow Jews (especially Israeli ones) to prove it. In their ghetto and shtetl mentality, they haven't yet learned that kissing the asses of the anti-Semites only brings them more contempt, not acceptance.
17 | Jonah in Jamaica, Wednesday Oct 28, 2009
These idiots happen to be dangerous. They do give aid and comfort to the enemy. They do provide an excuse for US politicians to come to adverse conclusions . It provides the basis for congressmen to say that they do not have to be holier than the Pope ( in this instance J Street .)
18 | Mussa/france, Wednesday Oct 28, 2009
jta has been publicizing jstreet probably because jstreets commie founder geroge soros is paying off jta scribes
19 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Thursday Oct 29, 2009
#13. Duncan. I believe you read from a book that has one paragraph that you dust off when responding to any blogger about anything. If it was a good book or a true book it would be worth repeating. But your distortions have been shot down so many times it shows that you simply don't care to be corrected. Wonder, why?
20 | David, Israel, Thursday Oct 29, 2009
David: I will give you a practical solution: three states for three peoples! There are already two Jewish peoples living in Israel: the ultra-secular and the ultra-orthodox (who will side with the dati leumi because they are... well... religious). Do the ultras not resent having to obey a secular State? They would abide by Halacha and a compromise can be made. Let the secular stay at Tel Aviv and their peace and the religious have J'lem and their security! Our two Jewish peoples need separation: the other option is a civil war.....
21 | Amnon, the Great AMERICAN Southwest, Thursday Oct 29, 2009
For Mark Jeffrey,
Good show, but kindly admit you've made a bad mistake and embrace the Jews who live on our own land, who go by centuries of Jewish tradition and history and have returned to Judea-Samaria where we as a people belong, notwithstanding the snide comments of the "Cheetah" who sat in a pew for 20 years and who himself embraces anti-Semites and Self-Haters like his buddies Emanuel, Axelrod, and J Street.
Embrace the Settlers, Mark Jeffrey - and blast the Jew-baiting, America-hating Bonzo you once stood up for. It's the right thing to do.
22 | Chiky L usa, Thursday Oct 29, 2009
Derfner,J street, Chomsky, Rabbi Lerner, Peace now and last but not least by far, the Hariedi Ortho extremist Jews who hate Zionism, dont we Jews have enough enemies (Jew haters) around.These so called Peace now people think that Israel is dealing with these poor refugees of Gaza and the West Bank.Do they not understand the vile, viscious mind of these Jihadi snakes.Israel has good security because it had suffered from attacks form Hamas and Hezbullah.I love when Israel strikes back and hits these rat Terrorists hard as hell! Listen to that Colonel who told the UN how Israel warns civilians!
23 | The One, America, Thursday Oct 29, 2009
Everybody in "J Street' was hypnotically programmed by Bush Senior's lackeys through anti-Israel and anti-libertarian hypnotically programmed notions.
A true libertarian would never support Bush Senior's lackeys' goal of creating a 'Palestinian State' because a "Palestinian State' would deprive the Palestinians of protection of their civil liberties and civil rights underneath Israel's 'Basic Laws' etc.
24 | Detroit, MI, Thursday Oct 29, 2009
Im wondering, with all this accusations toward evil J-street, did Israel ever recognized UN resolution #181 regarding partition of Palestine? I believe it did. Also, did Israel ever proclaimed refusal to support this resolution? I believe it did not. If so, what are you talking about?
25 | PZ, Thursday Oct 29, 2009
This is a great post, Rosner. Was really touched by it. (When both you and I can be deeply moved by the same piece, perhaps there really is hope for a unified future!) Thanks for posting.
26 | Duncan lennox ,Canada, Thursday Oct 29, 2009
To #19 Mike Feldman
Mike your blindspot is not shrinking. You can not accept the truth as history discloses it vs Zionist propaganda. eg Per U ,the Pal`s ran away from their homes in 1948 vs Israeli historians who did their homework & reported that the Pals were forced by Zion military to flee after their villages were attacked. ie creating terror in the civilian indigenous popul`n. Plan D was operating before May/48. eg. Over 250,000 Pal`s were ethnically cleansed before May 1948 & any action by Egypt & Syria. In all of /48 by secret pact with Israel the Jordan+Iraq troops stayed in the WB.
27 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Thursday Oct 29, 2009
Duncan. If it was a secret pact, how is it you know about it? I repeat the Jordanians left the area awaiting the destruction of Israel so they could return to the judenfrei area that they had been promised by their follow Arabs. Again I ask you how many Jews were ethnically cleansed from Arab countries between 1948 and 1970? You accept the Arab propaganda will allows you to turn reality into Zionist propaganda. If I have a blindspot, you're Stevie Wonder.
28 | Tod Zuckerman, San Francisco, Thursday Oct 29, 2009
I do not wish to hug either "Jewish idiots" ( i.e. Roseanne Barr) or sub-kapos (i,e. Soros, Jon Stewart, Tony Judt, Tony Kushner , Goldstone, "Rabbi" Lerner, etc.) . Merely being born Jewish is no big deal to me . In this regard, the ones I want to hug are Christian evangelicals, and those very few Moslem Zionists.
29 | Duncan Lennox ,Canada, Friday Oct 30, 2009
To #27 Mike Feldman. You need to take some time out from writing in this blog to do some reading of history. It will help your blindspot if U avoid Zionist propaganda & read what even Israeli truth tellers have written. U must know that Jordan had a secret pact with the Zions in 1948 not to send their troops beyond the WB borders ie to annex it & reduce the armies vs Israel.
Injustice to Jews in Arab lands does not absolve Zionist persecution of Pal`s. The Pal`s had nothing to do with their expulsion or the haulocaust yet the J`h homeland has been unjustly created at their expense & lives
30 | arthur Jersey City NJ USA, Saturday Oct 31, 2009
not an idiot a cunning enemy. an enemy who cloaks himself in comfortable garb, Jewishkeit "pro Israel" statements while undermining Israel and all Jews. By the way follow the money
31 | Sister of Charity, Church of Holy Moley, Sunday Nov 01, 2009
re #30, I would like to hug Daran Lennox as a Canadian idiot with a brain of a moose and the ideals of a demented moron.If I hugged him long enough he might grow a brain. Doubtful, but worth a try.
32 | Department of Sanitation, Sunday Nov 01, 2009
#1 Abu Nabril. It's obvious you're "MOVED", pity you couldn't make it to the toilet..We can smell you all over the place.
33 | Michael B ~ USA, Saturday Nov 07, 2009
#29 | Duncan Lennox ,Canada~~ You are a wonderment to me. How can someone be so stupid as to ignore the true history of the ME & Israel? By his own admission "Pal" Prez Abu Abas stated that his family & neighbors ran out of Israel in fear of reprisals after the butchery of Jews by the Arabs in 1948 despite his Jewish neighbors requests for his family to stay in Israel. He admitted this about 6 months ago & it was published in Al Jazeera, Pal TV & JPOST. So, who knows more about it, you or the persons actually involved? Mayhap we detect a little bias here on your part? What a mamzer you are!
34 | lydia, Tuesday Nov 10, 2009
33 "Haganah broadcast to civilian Arabs, urging them to leave "Take pity on your wives and children and get out of this blood bath," "Surrender your arms. No harm will come to you. stay, you invite disaster."H. Levin,...as uncontrolled panic spread through Arab quarters, Israelis brought jeeps with loudspeakers and broadcast recorded 'horror sounds'. Ie shrieks, wails and anguished moans of Arab women, the wail of sirens and the clang of fire-alarm bells, interrupted by a sepulchral voice calling out in Arabic: "Save your souls, Jews are using poison gas and atomic weapons. Run for your lives in the name of Allah'."Leo Heiman, Israeli Army
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