|
Sunday Aug 23, 2009
Rosner's Domain: Huckabee's alternate reality of the Arab-Israeli conflictPosted by SHMUEL ROSNER
Comments: 111      Follow Rosner's Domain on Twitter!!! Check out my recent article in The New Republic. It's on Huckabee in Israel. Here's a paragraph: Huckabee is becoming one of the loudest voices in a small (but growing)
chorus of people who aren't just tired of trying to make peace between
Israelis and Palestinians, or pessimistic when it comes to the
prospects of achieving such peace any time soon. These people--among
them right-wing hacks and former generals, messianic radicals and
cold-calculating strategists, populist politicians and idealistic
dreamers--think that the whole paradigm of peace as we know it should
be eliminated from the books. The reigning world vision of an
Israeli-Palestinian peace is, they believe, so '90s, and should boldly
be replaced by new paradigms. Huckabee is the best hope that settlers
and their supporters can entertain of turning this relatively marginal
viewpoint into a legitimate position.
1 | Shlomo Israel, Sunday Aug 23, 2009
I guess being a "right wing" hack is many times worse than being a "left-wing" hack, and a Jewish messianic much worse than a "Peacenik" messianic. If you start from the premise that anything "left" is enlightenment and logical and anything "right" is just wrong then of course who canargue with your tone, but the facts? Ahh, the facts. The track record of the attempts to gain a peace agreement through Israeli concessions has met dismal failure and has caused many needless casualties, both Jewish and Arab. Sometimes being right is a minority view to the point of becoming marginal. Right.
2 | Diana Barshaw, Haifa, Israel, Sunday Aug 23, 2009
If there were more leaders out there like Huckabee, with the courage to speak the truth, there might actually be a chance for an eventual peace. It is obvious that the situation right now where all the usual suspects keep supporting policies that have been shown NOT to work countless times, will never lead to improvement. After all doing the same thing over and over, but expecting a different outcome is one definition of insanity.
Visit my website for a different view of life in Israel: www.dianabarshaw.com
3 | Chris USA, Sunday Aug 23, 2009
You obviously believe what your saying. The proof remains in the pudding as to wether or not you are right or wrong.
4 | Diana Barshaw, Haifa, Israel, Sunday Aug 23, 2009
If there were more leaders out there like Huckabee, with the courage to speak the truth, there might actually be a chance for an eventual peace. It is obvious that the situation right now where all the usual suspects keep supporting policies that have been shown NOT to work countless times, will never lead to improvement. After all doing the same thing over and over, but expecting a different outcome is one definition of insanity.
Visit my website for a different view of life in Israel: www.dianabarshaw.com
5 | Afro American, Sunday Aug 23, 2009
Huckabee believes that only the death of millions of Arabs and Jews and others would justify his cultic religion.
Peace between Israel and the Palestinians is anathema to the evangelicals. They would like to see Rivers of Blood flow flow through Jerusalem so that the prophecy would be fulfilled.
It is really sad that many Jews are duped by his dooms-day preaching, which, by the way, would see 99% of Jews perish, while the rest would accept Jesus as their Lord and Savior.
6 | Shel Zahav, Sunday Aug 23, 2009
Actually, the overwhelming majority of Israelis (and most of us don't fit in your silly categories, we are just normal people) have concluded that the other side isn't in the least bit interested in peace. Why do we think that? Because the other side tells us so repeatedly. Hamas openly states its desire for jihad and the destroy Israel. Fatah openly states its desire to destroy Israel. So, instead of a bunch of Israeli leftists discussing what the Arabs really want (as if they would know), we take our neighbors at their word. You don't have to be a radical or crazy to figure that out.
7 | Yacov Yosifovitch:NYC::Judeo-Christs,Judeo-Islams,Judeo-JU's, Sunday Aug 23, 2009
PEACE, SHALOM, PAZ, MIR, ZINGHU, AHIMSA, SHANTITH, SALAAM.. Yes i [WE] Can!
Amazing, No Grace! EViLJEALOUSICAL's (Evangelicals) & AMAGEDDON Lovers Mr. Wannabe Prez, Mike Huckabee & his 1,000,000+ man HUCKS-ARMY & together with his other AMAGEDDON loveing buddy, Mr. Jhon HAGEE & his 50,000,000 Man SUPERSTUPIDSTITIOUS "YASHUA" Freaks aknowledge that the JUDEO-CHRISTS & CO., in the 'End of Days', will kill all JUDEO's anyway. And the JUDEO-ISLAMICS know this and thus Islamous Elders of Mecca's WAHABI-bi's, aka 'AL TAQIYAH'ists, know this & perpetrates their "SATANIC-VERSUS" against SABRAS etal.
8 | David W. Lincoln, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada, Sunday Aug 23, 2009
Resettlement is not the best option. Steps have to be taken so that Arabs like Nonie Darwish, and those who support her, are the mainstream voice. This means sidelining Hamas, Fatah, and the rest of that crowd which have shown they will never accept anything other than the model propagated by
war - namely what started as demon possession.
C.S. Lewis, in "The Abolition of Man", refers to a singularity. Yet, there is room for diversity of settings of life. This is simply not allowed by the Sons of Allah, for they are idolaters based upon enthiasm.
9 | Y. Ben-David Israel, Sunday Aug 23, 2009
Huckabee is not the only one to realize that there isn't going to be peace. Most Israelis now accept that fact and even "peace process" veterans like Mohammed Agha and Robert Malley are not edging int his direction, saying that Palestinians are not interested in a state on the lines that Bush/Obama-Oslo was offering. This shows me that Huckabee is a lot more intelligent and realistic than the fools who foisted the Oslo disaster on Israel.
10 | Yacov Yosifovitch :Judeo-JEWS + Vedic-HINDUs are above ALL, Sunday Aug 23, 2009
..continued Interestingly; The JUDEO-CHRISTS & the JUDEO-ISLAMICS via their 'Charity-Givers/ Congregants" can't have SERMONS without Turmoil! Like the Jerry Springer Show where if there was no violence (fighting; punchng, push, cuss.. pre-reherst or not) that there will no-more viewers (paid or not). So The JUDEO-ISLAMI's & The JUDEO-CHRISTO/A's needs Contraversy, Calamity etc.. to 'Entertain' their Tithe-Givers/Contributors et al! Theologians are Entertainers. They feed their 'Naive' crowds of 'mixed-multitudes' with Jealousy, Fear & Sexual-Guilt Stories or tell them what they want to hear.
11 | Claudia, Tampa, FL USA, Sunday Aug 23, 2009
Mr. Rosner, your moderators simply must have some standards in publication of comments to your columns. Disagreement is expected, but trash talking, such as #7,#10 Yacov Yosifovitch, should really be deleted upon receipt. Unbalanced individuals such as that person add nothing positive to discourse.
Then there is "afro" #5 that obviously is a Rev Wrighter, with more negitive exclamations. It is no wonder that there is no peace, ever, and will be none. Huck I don't agree with on a lot, but on NO two state solution I agree with 100%, and it is time this reality is talked about.
12 | Agenuine SECULAR-iSRAELmustBeAwareOf Theologian-Conspiracy's, Sunday Aug 23, 2009
#6, "Keep Ye friends Close but Ye Enemies even closer". From a wise SINO General. & Talking about CHINESE; another SLAVE to MidEast PETRO that AMERICA got/gets some, not All, of (Rich-Kid on the block) China's surplus-money tied in the U.S. Banking System,While jealous Islam is Being left Behind. And a Modern SECULAR iSRAEL should never Let ANY-THEOLGIAN (Revvi, imam, priest) influence His/Her PUBLIC OFFIALs decision making: Especially On Future-Bound & SPACE-forth activities. JUDEO-ISLAM is a 'backward thinking" People/System which caNEVER be a 'Forward Thinking" Prospective Religion SYSTEM!
13 | RSG, Sunday Aug 23, 2009
Rosner's prescriptions for peace have been followed at least since 1993. And what has the brought Israel?? NOTHING but war and death. They pretend that their suggestions have not been followed but in fact, the left wing like has been followed almost forever in the life of the current state of Israel and it have been the WRONG policy. 60 years after inception the new state of Israel is STILL asking people to recognize its existence. Big Failure. Huckabee has the right line. The question is why has the Jerusalem Post decided to now go with the emphasis on the left wing news writers?
14 | Steve Klein, Sunday Aug 23, 2009
The vision former Governor Huckabee presented this week is not a completely different vision. It is a "conservative" vision Republicans held earlier, prior to the presidency of George W. Bush. Within days of the 9/11 Muslim-terror attacks on American soil, President Bush unveiled his illusory "vision" for a Muslim (no question, terror) state in Israel's historic heartland. As late as 1992, the GOP's position was clear. "We oppose the creation of an independent Palestinian state." Bush brushed all this aside, boldly opting to embrace utopian schemes for "peace" from the leftist handbook.
15 | Steve Klein, Sunday Aug 23, 2009
By the 2004 national Republican party convention, lead by Mr. Bush, the GOP's position became the polar opposite; one that supported "Bush's vision of two states, Israel and Palestine," living side by side; one that encouraged Israel to remove all settlements from Gaza and the West Bank, calling it a "courageous step toward peace in the face of continuing terrorist violence." At this point, the US began to have a bipartisan policy towards Israel. Prior to Bush, there had been some distance between the two parties. Former President Bush undermined traditional conservative principles.
16 | Steve Klein, Sunday Aug 23, 2009
As one conservative leader put it, we do not embrace quick fixes and utopian schemes. We do not believe appeasement of the enemy is the proper way to conduct foreign policy. We appreciate the harsh lessons of history and of human experience. We learn from past mistakes. President Bush brushed all this accumulated wisdom aside in the pursuit of folly. We can only hope Mr. Huckabee will repudiate Bush's "vision" and his road map for Israel's dismemberment and her destruction; that he will undo this, so that the Republican party can be restored to its former role as an opposition party.
17 | Amnon, the Great AMERICAN Southwest, Sunday Aug 23, 2009
Afro-American,
Are you just another clown or just another shuckle and jive fool like Obama?
Answer that question...Because what Obama is advocating is much, much worse than Huckabee's finally "get tough" policies. Obama would prefer to get tough with an ally, no matter how many times the Islamofascist world (btw - they enslaved guys like you and the pew-sitting coward) celebrated the murder of Americans, than behaving like a leader. He's Dreck, and not very smart, for he insists on carrying out "pressure" policies that Jim Baker advocated 20 years ago. In contrast Huckabee is a leader.
18 | Amnon, the Great AMERICAN Southwest, Sunday Aug 23, 2009
Earth to Rosner, Earth to Rosner...
Oslo failed a long time ago, as did the Roadmap. Something you and "Jerry's (as in Jeremiah's) kid" Obie haven't quite figured out yet. Your paradigm is the same old "blame Israel" pap and manure as dredged up by those since Carter, actually. Everytime Israel has either made a compromise, concession, or evacuation it has been met not with Olive leaves but with buckets of blood. Your way, and that of Obie, in insisting that peace can be made by pressuring Israel has been tried countless times and won't work(even with Baker Boychiks). Maybe this way will.
19 | Ben B NYC US of A, Sunday Aug 23, 2009
Most of the "hacks" I know (with the exception of Rosner) work at the New Republic and other lefty publications. But on this occasion let's give them credit for inadvertently blurting out the truth: "the whole paradigm of peace as we know it should be eliminated from the books."
20 | Mike Feldman,Canada, Sunday Aug 23, 2009
In the case of Afro-American his remarks about Huckabee show the flip-side of the Nation of Islam's doggeral. Previoulsy, he had only posted as a Jew hater, now his feelings to Christians is revealed. Condidering one of the main goals of the Nation of Islam is to cut out a segregated black state strickly for (previously) Afro- Americans, its difficult to understand his interest in Israel.
Huckabee's view are a breath of fresh air and a push back to those who revel in thinking that the U.S. and Israel will drift apart. Huckabee represents a large segment of the US population. Mid-term elections CONT
21 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Sunday Aug 23, 2009
Mike Feldman CONT - are next year. It is quite possible that Obama will finish out his term with Republican majorities in the Congress and Senate. It is also possible that the U.S. will look away from a centist Rebuplican in 2012, as they will want a hard correction to the right to balance legislation passed by the Obama administration. I'm sure the Israeli government are keen observers of whose in the power chair in the U.S. They may adopt the Arab specialty of foot dragging, to outwait Obama.
22 | Mark Jeffery Koch Cherry Hill, New Jersey USA, Sunday Aug 23, 2009
It's disgusting that the settlers and right wingers in Israel embrace Huckabee, Huckabee is an evangelical Christian who believes that Armageddon will come and the Jews will embrace Jesus as their saviour. These people do NOT love Israel and they do NOT love Jews. The ONLY reason they support Israel is because they believe all Jews will one day accept Jesus as their Messiah. He is part of a Republican party that is anti Black, anti-Hispanic, anti Gay, anti the environment, and for the wealthy only. It sickens me as a Jew who is a fervent supporter of Israel to see this man embraced.
23 | David Miami Beach USA, Sunday Aug 23, 2009
The most cherished possession for a leftist like Rosner is his illusions. Without them the leftist is lost. These are the family jewels which have to be protected at all costs. And when they are threatened, the leftist lashes out irrationally and hysterically, putting up a smokescreen of invective, equivalent to a skunk and his bitter odor. In this instance, the only question Rosner raises is, why is this guy's sophomoric "domain" on the home page instead of buried with the rest in "blog central?"
24 | Per Larsson, Sunday Aug 23, 2009
WELL DONE ISRAEL!!!!!THE NEWSPAPER "AFONBLADET " IN SWEDEN (MY CONTRY) HAS THROW AWAWY SO MUCH SHIT ON YOUR ISRAELI.I ALLMOST THINK THAT IS THE MOST IMPORTANT TO GET WORK THEIR; TO HATE ISRAEL!! LOVELY THAT YOU REACT!
25 | Faha USA, Sunday Aug 23, 2009
It should be obvious after 70 years of conflict ( including several wars between Israel and its neighboring Arab nations ) between Israelis and Palestinians that there will never be peaceful coexistence among these 2 peoples. The idea of creating a Palestinian state outside of Israel is not as far fetched as it seems. Look at the recent war in Iraq . There have been proposals to partition Iraq into Kurdish and Shiite and Sunni Arab nations. Anbar province had a population of 1.3 million before the war. Only 200,000 lived south of the Euphrates and west of Ramadi. It is more depopulated now.
26 | Faha USA, Sunday Aug 23, 2009
Continuing my comment. Some of those living in western Anbar province are now refugees in Syria na Iraq. This would be a perfect location for a New Palestinian State of 5 million people. For those who are skeptical that 5 million people could live along the southern Euphrates there is already a citty of 7 million called Baghdad along the Tigris River ! One only needs to visit the American Southwest to see how practical it would be. Arizona was nearly empty desert 100 years ago. Now there are 5 million in the Phoenix and Tuscon area. The Euphrates has much more water than any river in Arizona.
27 | Mark Jeffery Koch Cherry Hill, New Jersey USA, Sunday Aug 23, 2009
I don't know what alternative universe some of the commenters on this site live in but the American people totally reject the Republican Party in every part of the country except the South. Blacks, Hispanics, Jews, Gays, environmentalists, and the majority of female voters in America will never vote Republican. It sickens me as a Jew to see Israelis accept Huckabee with such open arms because he says he loves Israel. During the time of Apartheid Israel had a strong relationship with South Africa which was horribly wrong. The majority of Americans support Israel and are not Republican.
28 | Not Jewish, Sunday Aug 23, 2009
Huck is right, it is time to end the two state nonsense. The pals are nothing different from their ME brothers as far as ethnicity goes but are only Arabs among Arabs. The Arab nations do not want to face the fact that the pal problem was created by Arabs & must be solved by Arabs settling these trespassing Arabs into their own nations. The Jews of Israel should not be responsible for these barbarians. Afro #5 must work for Barack Obama, he sure talks as much stupid crap as his messiah does. Go Huckabee, we need a real leader.
29 | Steve Klein, Sunday Aug 23, 2009
Mark Jeffery Koch, Cherry Hill, I've not "accepted" anyone with open arms. I don't know that Huckabee loves Israel any more than Barack Obama loves Israel. What we do know is that unlike Obama, Huckabee enunciated a vision consistent with what many of us who support Israel believe. Anyone can say they support Israel, just as Obama claims to support Israel. His actions do not match his words. If Huckabee is genuine; if he repudiates the Bush / Obama road map for Israel's destruction; if Huckabee is true to his word, I suspect many of those of us who support Israel, will support Huckabee.
30 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Sunday Aug 23, 2009
Mark Jeffery Koch. One magic day last November the U.S. assuaged its 200 years of collective guilt and gave an African-American candidate 52% of its vote over a 72 year old man who was unfortuante enough to be the Republican candidate after 8 years of George W. Bush. 48% of the votes were cast for John McCain. November 4, 2008 was a moment in histroy, but not necessarily a guide to the future. As I indicated in #21, a hard correction to the right is becoming more and more conceivable as the citizens react to undisclosed legislation being rubber-stamped by the Democrat majority. Huckabee won't be President in 2012, but a Republican might be.
31 | Per Larsson, Sunday Aug 23, 2009
Sorry for my bad spelling, hope you get my point.Bye from Per( meaning, The Swedish newspapper " AFTONBLADET " )
32 | craig, Enid, Oklahoma, Sunday Aug 23, 2009
I believe Huckabee is genuine in his love for Israel. He, like many others, worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob and realizes if it weren't for the people of Israel (Jacob) he wouldn't have the one and true God to worship. He also recognizes that as a Gentile, he has been "grafted into" the tree of God (ROM 12:25). The real war is between Allah and Jehovah. Iran wil attack Israel and get thumped. A peace treaty will be signed that will be broken. As we stand on the rubble of what was a beautiful world, we will see that the Bible was true after all and Israel is God's chosen people.
33 | Hofikoman, Sunday Aug 23, 2009
Rosner is mistaken to marginalize Huckabee. Depending on the state of the US economy in 2012, a conservative Republican candidate could reclaim the White House. That is why Bibi is right to implement the settlement freeze. Foreign Policy is clearly secondary to Americans. One shouldn't risk enabling Obama to dump Israel. Even Evangelicals have a prophetic scenario where Israel is abandoned by everyone (but G-d) even the USA. Active American public support of the alliance with Israel without US Presidential support is problematic. Huckabee's public stance certainly is NOT bad for Israel.
34 | Yacov Yosifovitch:DiferenceBetweenJUDEO-iSLAMc&JUDEO-CHRISTc, Sunday Aug 23, 2009
If Ye think about it; The APPRECIATING JUDEO-Abrahamic-CHRiSTic's via JUDEO-JEWISH, YASHUA loving folk, like Mr. J. HAGEE, M. HUGGABEE & from Similar ORGANIZED RELIGION systems need to send/give TZADAKA money to israel because they [CHURCH's] know if NO ERETZ YISROEL, especially today' in a NEWER but better ISRAEL [Via SABRAs] then No Newer, better Modern Christianity. And Vis a Vis too! On the other hand, besides Israel surrounded by a Den of Jealous Wild/Human/Animals, aka JUDEO-Abe-ISLAMICs, aka Wild ISHMAL/ESAU-ITES "DO-NOT APPRECIATE their own 'Messenger' Muhammad; not MAHDi or Matreya.
35 | U.S. Citizen, Sunday Aug 23, 2009
Huckabee has his own choir in the U.S. That choir has its own rock solid biblical beliefs which it would be pointless to debate. He will carry that fraction of American support, but he is very unlikely to expand it. He will draw on his own crowd, but will never become a serious challenger to the democrats unless they become so lucky. I could see the settlers and the right wingers very happy together under Huckabee.
36 | Joseph cambridge, Sunday Aug 23, 2009
Agree with Faha #25,26. Huckabee is right, lets stop kidding ourselves. . Whoever thinks otherwise has not looked at a map, for starters.Its impractical. Not realistic. (Look at that map, for starters). Jordan IS-literally- what we have historically called palestine. In fact, Jordan is 78% of the palestine mandate- the overwhelming majority of land is in Jordan! As if that wasnt enough (here Im talking to you mr.farakhan nation of islam and anti semtiism, racism, #5), Jordan's population is 80% palestinian! Jordan is palestine. Its rulers are BRITISH IMPLANTS from mecca circa 1920s! A Sham!
37 | Steve Klein, Sunday Aug 23, 2009
Hofikoman #33, PM Netanyhu is NOT right to implement a settlement freeze. He is signaling to the international community that Judea, Samaria, east Jerusalem, etc., are "illegally occupied" Muslim lands, just as Israel's enemies claim. He is projecting weakness, like England's leaders did in the face of a monster in the 1930s. It was Netanyahu who rightly compared our times to the 1930s in Europe. Like England's weak leaders, Netanyahu is inviting more immoral pressure from this hostile Obama administration. Freezing construction is a disaster. I am disappointed that you support it.
38 | BJL, Sunday Aug 23, 2009
Rosner is a classic: He would have been happy to encourage his people to get in the cattle car and just go along with the plan...rather than fight or go to Israel. He is now willing to offer allah his neck or become a dhimmi, rather than fight for the defensible boarders than are G-d given in the Torah.
Rosner and his like just dont get it. It is a religious war for survival. And currently the arabs have more will. BUt, slowly the Jewish people are waking up.
39 | Colin Beck, Surrey, B.C., Canada, Sunday Aug 23, 2009
THE NEW PARADIGM IN THE MID EAST. [ The Obama Delusion ] [ #1 ] Capture the other guy's garbage trucks. [ #2 ] File everything in the proper re-cycling bins.
40 | Steve Klein, Sunday Aug 23, 2009
Mike Feldman #30: You wrote, "Huckabee won't be President in 2012, but a Republican might be." Why do you suggest this in light of polls showing Huckabee remains Obams's strongest challenger to date? Of course, this could change. Huckabee's social conservatism appeals to the base of the Republican party; his limited, lower taxes, smaller government policies appeal to independents and moderates. Is it your view that the Republican party leadership will attempt to marginalize him? Why do you maintain Huckabee won't be president but a Republican might be?
41 | Yacov Yosifovitch :iSLAMshould-NowAskWHYdoesTheWORLD-Hate-Us, Sunday Aug 23, 2009
DOWN w/IRAN! .....................................................................................................................................................DOWN w/iRAN! ......................................................................................................................................... DOWN w/THEOCRACY in the M-E and on the rest of S.S. EARTH now! .......
DOWN w/MONARCHY in the Middle-East and on the Rest of S.pace-S.hip Earth forever! .... Al iSLAM, during this "RAMADAN" [Repenting to the CREATOR of Photons] should now ask, "WHY DOES THE WORLD NOW HATE US iSLAMcs?"
42 | Tom, US, Sunday Aug 23, 2009
Huckabee is just one more kosher wannabee piece of crap in the US who has no backing in reality. So please sink all your shekels in his pot so other reality based politicians can bury your racist asses in that shitstain of a country !
43 | TrailBlazer, Norway, Sunday Aug 23, 2009
#1: Shlomo and # 6: Shel Zahav..great - you just read my lips - so, Schmuel, what is so radical about MH - is it that he dares to express what most people would say - IF INFORMED IN AN OBJECTIVE MANNER ? Curtain will fall from our eyes and we will realize the delusion we have been lured into. So also with the leftists in Israel and Europe. You also say that MH is not specific about solutions to problems - I have never noticed you haved been specifically detailed yourself as to how an Arab hostile hating entity will function alongside Israel ?
44 | TrailBlazer, Norway, Sunday Aug 23, 2009
#1: Shlomo and # 6: Shel Zahav..great - you just read my lips - so, Schmuel, what is so radical about MH - is it that he dares to express what most people would say - IF INFORMED IN AN OBJECTIVE MANNER ? Curtain will fall from our eyes and we will realize the delusion we have been lured into. So also with the leftists in Israel and Europe. You also say that MH is not specific about solutions to problems - I have never noticed you haved been specifically detailed yourself as to how an Arab hostile hating entity will function alongside Israel ?
45 | Sherlock Holmes London, Sunday Aug 23, 2009
#36 You have taken the words out of my mouth! When Britain created Transjordan or what we know as Jordan, both Churchill and Weizman understood that the other 23% was to become the renewed Jewish homeland. The West Bank and Gaza were always supposed to be part of Israel. It just happened that Jordan occupied the West Bank and Egypt occupied Gaza. Within my living memory 'Palestinian' referred to a Jew dedicated to rebuilding the Jewish homeland. Arabs were known as -- 'Arabs' ! Who moved the goalposts?
46 | aspacia, Sunday Aug 23, 2009
I agree with Huck, and have often made the same claim. Pay compensation to Arabs living in the West Bank and Gaza, and have them move to another area. The White Paper stole most Israeli land and gave it to Arabs.
I am sure the US government would help with this move. That is if other nations will welcome the Pals. Europe may, but I doubt if most of the Arab Middle-East will.
Before any post starts sterotyping, I am a Deist, Feminist, Goy, Zionist.
47 | David US, Sunday Aug 23, 2009
",,,,,,, turning this relatively marginal viewpoint into a legitimate position. ....." ???? Does the writer know that this new Israeli messiah is a marginal nowbody in the US ??? Don't be silly !!
48 | Joseph London, Sunday Aug 23, 2009
Hamas say clearly in their charter they are dedicated to the destruction of Israel -- and they're not to nice to Fatah either. Fatah is led by Abbas with a doctorate in Holocaust denial, who followed on from Chairman Arafat who seems to have pocketed between five and six BILLION dollars from the PA. Would anyone sane hand over the West Bank and Gaza to people like this? Would you buy a used car from any of them? Would anyone sane want neighbours like them on both sides? Would you trust genocidal terrorists like Hamas to voluntarily be demilitarised? Let Obama rehouse them in Michigan !
49 | Mtone, Sunday Aug 23, 2009
Why is it that it takes a right winger to have enough sense to understand that the Palestinians do not want a state. They are Arabs, and the destruction of Israel and the murder of its Jew's is their real goal. Anything we do to placate the Arabs in Israel will only serve to further this; the only real reason for the existence of Palestine. They should be thrilled to live free under foreign occupation, rather than in perpetual chains under their own despotic ruler's regimes.
50 | Mtone Florida, Sunday Aug 23, 2009
Why is it that it takes a right winger to have enough sense to understand that the Palestinians do not want a state. They are Arabs, and the destruction of Israel and the murder of its Jew's is their real goal. Anything we do to placate the Arabs in Israel will only serve to further this; the only real reason for the existence of Palestine. They should be thrilled to live free under foreign occupation, rather than in perpetual chains under their own despotic ruler's regimes.
51 | Terry M. Usa, Sunday Aug 23, 2009
If I am a descendent of Abraham,Isaac and Jacob then I call myself an Israelite a subject of Israel.
If I am a Jew then I am a subject and a descendent of the Tribe of Judah which was called the Kingdom of Judah in ancient times.
I think I would rather be called an Israelite and stay out of tribal wars.
52 | Amnon, the Great AMERICAN Southwest, Sunday Aug 23, 2009
Markie Koch is blabbering his usual self-hating, love of Obie remarks. He's either Ichabod Crane or is an Ostrich buried in the sand. Mike pretty much nailed him to rights, but I will go a step further here. 2010 is right around the corner, and I daresay quite a few Dem Congress folks will be dropping like flies. If Obie persists in his Jew-hate policies, he's out the door as well. In fact, I wouldn't be too surprised if an older, not-so-charismatic white guy like Huckabee beats the crap out of him at the polls, and even picks up another 20 percent of the Jewish vote. Obie has shot his wad.
53 | Alejandro Cuéllar, Sunday Aug 23, 2009
Although I disapprove of a two-state solution to this conflict, I completely reject Huckabee's proposal and virulently caution the Jewish people to support a Christian fundamentalist. It should be very clear, that most (if not all) evangelical Christians, offer a faith-based support for Israel, hoping to fulfill their bible's prophecy.
One may support the settlements of the Jewish people as a human right (freedom of movement) throughout the land of Israel but one does not (in fact, should not) support Christians' desire to gain control of Israel in hope of the "return of Jesus, their God".
54 | Jozef, USA, Sunday Aug 23, 2009
What exactly is theis "new paradigm?" An apartheid system? Mass expusion? Ethnic cleansing?
55 | Amnon, the Great AMERICAN Southwest, Sunday Aug 23, 2009
As for Koch's insipid remarks about South Africa, I too was very much against Apartheid as were most American Jews and South African Jews for that matter. What is disturbing, but also predictable, is how Black Africans like Black Americans translate our support and sympathy into resentment and hate. Mandela, fool that he is, loaded his regime with Jew-haters like Tutu and Communn, can't say it, like Kasrils. As a result the current South African regime, like the one in Zimbabwe is anti-Israel, pro-Islamofascist, and Oppressive. I still hate Apartheid, but regret our intervention in Zimbabwe.
|
Post your own comment