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Rosner's Domain: "His best interest is to get to negotiations as soon as possible"

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Assistant Secretary of State Philip Crowley - traveling with Secretary Clinton - had briefed the traveling press en route to Cairo. Here's part of the transcript:

QUESTION: this may seem obvious, but can we - do you - the totality of what the Secretary is saying recently about how positive it is for Israel to offer a halt to settlements and no more expropriations, can we deduce from that that part of what's going on here is she's asking the Palestinians to drop the precondition and to consider what Israel has done as important and something that they can sell as a freeze to their public and get on with the peace talks?  Is that what she's doing?

MR. CROWLEY:  Well, let me start from a different place and come back to that.  As we've said throughout the trip, there's clearly a gap between the two parties.  We've been encouraging for several weeks now for negotiations to begin as soon as possible. That remains our hope. So on the standpoint, we're simply trying to chip away at this gap. And as she has said yesterday and today, any steps that we feel narrow this gap and move the parties forward to a negotiation we see as a positive development. 

So certainly, she - in her meeting with President Abbas the other day, she suggested very directly that, in our view, his best interest is to get to negotiations as soon as possible. And obviously, in her meeting with Prime Minister Netanyahu, while their offer falls short of what we had suggested, obviously that is, in her view - the word again - unprecedented.  And so - but certainly, we'll have the opportunity with President Mubarak to compare notes on - he's a very adroit reader of the parties. He's had his own interaction. President Mubarak has a very good working relationship with Prime Minister Netanyahu.

QUESTION: Just as a follow, so is it too strong for us to report that she's become an advocate for them dropping the precondition?

MR. CROWLEY: Let me get there a different way. We do not think that there should be preconditions to negotiations, and we do not think - and we believe that it - that both parties will be best served by getting into negotiations as quickly as possible. But we do understand how the settlement issue is important to the Palestinians. It's important to the Israelis. It's important to others in the region. And what we're trying to do, what we were doing in our consultations with various leaders in Morocco is to try to just figure out what is the best way forward. How can we help move the parties towards the start of negotiations? So I wouldn't - I just wouldn't say it as directly as that, but our view is, on the one hand, there should be no preconditions. On the other hand, we want to see negotiations start as quickly as possible, and we're just simply trying to see how we can move the two closer to where they feel comfortable with making that decision.

QUESTION: Two questions. One, the Palestinians say that it's not a precondition that they're putting to restart the talks. They're simply saying Israel has to fulfill its obligations under the Roadmap, and if they can't even do that, why should we sit down to talk to them? But another question is you've said several times that you're looking at creative ideas to kickstart this process. Can you tell us a little bit more? I mean, what is the way around this issue of settlement freeze? It's - neither side is really budging enough to satisfy the other. 

MR. CROWLEY:  I suppose I would just say this will take political courage on both sides. These are very difficult issues. As the Secretary has reflected at various times, they've been close before and for whatever reason, or a combination of circumstances, they've just never been able to get over the finish line. So this is a - I mean, there are specific technical issues involved here. They're well known. But this is also a political challenge, and so it does take what kind of confidence-building measures can we establish that, whether or not they're perfect - and the Secretary has said again today in the interviews - we can't - in this process, you can't afford to make perfect an obstacle to the very good. So if you take absolute positions, then it's unlikely that negotiations are going to start. We feel very strongly that both parties are best served by getting to negotiation, putting all of these issues on the table. And if you get to an agreement, then you've solved - you have, in fact, solved these various issues, including settlements, including borders, including refugees, and obviously including Jerusalem. 

So I'm not sure I can answer it any - in a different way, but to the extent that we can take steps, encourage them to take steps that then give them confidence, provide some momentum to this effort that gets them to a point where they might say it's not everything we were looking for, but it's enough, there’s enough of an investment or they're beginning to have enough confidence that the dynamic will begin to - they'll see the dynamic as constructive. So we'll be looking at a variety of ways that increase the interaction between the parties in some form, find ways that they can begin to address the issues. If we can do that, then we think that at some point baby steps then create a momentum of their own and the effort can pick up steam. So we recognized coming into the region that things have stalled, and we're just looking - keep looking to see how we can begin to create some forward momentum again. 


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1  |  Terry - Eilat, Israel, Wednesday Nov 04, 2009
How odd - Abbas cannot figure out his best interests. Mrs Clinton knows best, she knows what's best for Israel, she knows what's best for Palestinians, she knows what's best for Iran, for Pakistan, for the whole world. Strange then that this obvious genius, obviously on a par with that other genius & master strategist, Obama, have had nothing but rebuffs, refusals, slaps in the face, from virtually everyone, except in the case of Obama who got a Nobel Peace Prize from some old looney-leftist Scandanavians. No one seems to know their own best interest. Isn't that incredible?
2  |  Terry - Eilat, Israel, Wednesday Nov 04, 2009
Could it be, just possibly, that others do not share Mrs Clinton's idea of what is in their interest? Is it at all possible that others have different visions of their interests, they have other goals, ambitions that are the opposite of Mrs Clinton's assumptions. Is it conceivable that Palestinians DON'T want peace, they want our destruction? Mrs Clinton, like her boss (& political rival) Obama, are actually serial blunderers, way out of their depth, amateur-hour foreign policy ''experts'' whose ideology blinds them to reality, whose inexperience has made matters worse.
3  |  Terry - Eilat, Israel, Wednesday Nov 04, 2009
I can't remember where I heard this line but it's certainly appropriate. ''Amazing how Hilary can still talk with both feet in her mouth.'' She is doing a great job of convincing the whole world that she is totally inept. Being inept & incompetent is what makes her eminently qualified to be on Obama's team, she really fits in quite well. In only a few short months, Obama has managed to alienate both the Israelis AND the Palestinians. If Hilary thought she would gain our trust by praising Netanyahu, she proved beyond doubt the opposite by back-tracking a day later in Marrakech.
4  |  Chris USA, Wednesday Nov 04, 2009
These are difficult moments to express. Saying too much or too little can damage the initiative on either side. The goal is to solicit greater interest toward the agenda and that means perceptually conveying the reality that this is THE opportunity to present both side's interest in the negotiations. Each party must see that to enter into negotiation gives a measure of control in defining the terms of the negotiation - and this means begin able to affect its direction or depth of purpose. Hesitating at the start risks losing a portion of what you seek before you even begin. Be proactive!
5  |  Shel Zahav in Jerusalem, Wednesday Nov 04, 2009
I wouldn't put much stock in the public musings of a Secretary of State. Like the rest of them, Hilary gives speeches and people pick apart a word here and a word there to try to find deeper meaning. At the end of the day, all we are left with is way too many boring posts by Terry.
6  |  Mike Feldman, Canada, Wednesday Nov 04, 2009
If Obama and Clinton were Doctors, and the Middle East was a patient: the Middle East should sue Clinton and Obama for malpractice. As for Terry's remarks regarding Mrs. Clinnton, I aways reacted to the talking heads sayiing how smart she was, and finally concluded that it was a form of compensation. i.e. with a punim like hers, she had to be smart. (Jeers from the feminists) I think that starting in 2013 Barak and Hilary should co-host a bloopers show featuring clips of their initiatives during their 4 years in office.
7  |  Terry - Eilat, Israel, Wednesday Nov 04, 2009
#6 Mike Feldman. Mike, can you imagine the cost of malpractice insurance for politicians?
8  |  Mike Feldman, Canada, Wednesday Nov 04, 2009
#7. Terry. Malpractice Insurance, despite pre-existing charges of fraud, theft and corruption, is Obama's next inititiative after health insurance.
9  |  Daran, UK, Wednesday Nov 04, 2009
Ynet reported yesterday that Marwan Barghouti is considering putting himself on the ballot in PNA elections next year. Should Abbas decide not to run. It maybe that Abbas will annouce he will not run, then come to the table, leaving those running in elections to back outcome or reject it.
10  |  Terry - Eilat, Israel, Wednesday Nov 04, 2009
#8 Mike. Is Leftism a pre-existing condition or are psychiatric problems excluded? In any case, Obama & his Leftocrats (or is that Kleptocrats?) will want taxpayers to foot the bill. A new Czar will be appointed plus 5-6 new Federal Agencies with hundreds of bureaucrats to monitor the program & at least a few thousand pages of new regulations. It will, of course, be deficit neutral since by then, no one will be keeping track of the deficit anymore. More seriously, did you see the jump in the price of gold? Bad sign for the US$ ......
11  |  TCMSOLS, Wednesday Nov 04, 2009
why talk you have to go back to Gaza and it is better is there are no talks, hence the reason the order that would be called off before you went in.
12  |  Dr. Dan USA, Wednesday Nov 04, 2009
The Palestinian leaders cannot compromise on anything for fear of being shot by their own people. So they are safer not negotiation.
13  |  Daran, UK, Wednesday Nov 04, 2009
Oh dear the US political paritsan comments here do little to serve the interest's of Israel I think. I'd like to hear how Terry thinks US policy would change if a republican was in the whitehouse today. Does he think the "two state solution" would just go away, as I beleive he wishes it would. does he believe the US position on the legitimacy of the settlements would be different, if he does could he explain why, if Mike could chip in, all the better.
14  |  Mike Feldman, Canada, Wednesday Nov 04, 2009
Daran. If I may, let me first address Terry's #10. One insiduously brilliant strategy of Democratic White House and Obamanomics is the willful devalluation of the US dollar. You see, if the dollar is worth jack squat it automatically devalues the cost of paying foreign debt with funny money. You know a couple of trillion ain't what it used to be. Daran I think the three of us are practicioners of partisan politics, only two of us are on the other side. As to your settlement question, I do not believe a Republican would publically announce a pre-condtion where none existed before. All this has accomplished is providing Abbas cover to refuse to come to the table. I am not personally opposed to two states, I just think its unworkable, and Abbas is not a practical peace partner.
15  |  Daran, UK, Wednesday Nov 04, 2009
#12 Dr Dan, it's unfortunate you make that comment so close to Rabin anniversary who remains the only leader killed by his own people for the attempt at peace, that I'm aware of. Perhaps you could provide examples of others on the Palestinian side which lead you to make your comment.
16  |  Mike Feldman, Canada, Wednesday Nov 04, 2009
Terry. Had a chance to look at the closing markets for gold. Gold is up 22.2% in 2009 in USD but only 6.9% in Canadian Dollars. Gold was up $8.65 to-day in USD but down 3,68 Euros. To expand earlier point, I think we'll live to see the USD not accepted as the world standard.
17  |  Terry - Eilat, Israel, Thursday Nov 05, 2009
#13 Daran, UK. It depends which Republican. Obviously, some Republicans would be more favourable to Israel than others, so there is no real answer to your question. Bush supported the two-state solution after all. It would be more to the point to discuss Israeli leadership since it is up to our gov't. to defend our interests. Admittedly, I don't like Obama - I think he's an incompetent left-wing ideologue & a weak America is in no one's interest. I also think he is a liar & a fraud, a narcissist, & basically, that he is little different from our own Israeli leftists who undermine our country.
18  |  Paul, US, Thursday Nov 05, 2009
@ Daran, UK : US political partisan comments may or may not favor Israel, but you can bet the actual politicians in Washington are going to do whats best for them (unfortunately this doesn't even mean what's best for the people that live here). I suspect the Republicans would pay some lip service to Israel but certainly no more. Israel has to do whats best for Israel regardless of what a bunch of self serving short sighted politicians in the US think. It sucks when the leaders of your biggest ally are... well... devoid of any real character. No Winston Churchill to be found...
19  |  Chaim - Israel, Thursday Nov 05, 2009
The entire phony "peace process" is solely in the interests of Abbas and "Palestinians". It offers Israel nothing except a slow tortuous demise, if, heaven forbid, we ever allow it to be implemented. We saw what happened when Israel retreated from South Lebanon and Gaza. We were punished for these retreats by tens of thousands of rockets, maimed and murdered civilians. Can you even imagine what would happen if we allowed every Israeli city and town to fall in the range of terrorist rockets? That is exactly what the evil "peace process" is intended to do.
20  |  ts, Thursday Nov 05, 2009
is it concievable the palestinians dont want peace?.oh peace on israels terms you mean,carry on filling up your swimming pools while the poor palestinians look on,in need of water for drinking.carry on knocking down their olive groves ,carry on snatching their children,then incarcerating them,carry on condeming them for having the audacity to say that they are not happy to have their homes taken from them ,carry on denying a whole world of condemnation against israels oppression of these poor people.carry on at your peril.for the time is drawing nearer,where your actions will be judged above
21  |  ts, Thursday Nov 05, 2009
is it concievable the palestinians dont want peace?.oh peace on israels terms you mean,carry on filling up your swimming pools while the poor palestinians look on,in need of water for drinking.carry on knocking down their olive groves ,carry on snatching their children,then incarcerating them,carry on condeming them for having the audacity to say that they are not happy to have their homes taken from them ,carry on denying a whole world of condemnation against israels oppression of these poor people.carry on at your peril.for the time is drawing nearer,where your actions will be judged above
22  |  disgrace, Thursday Nov 05, 2009
if one head thinks its greater than the other,then that head that thinks its greater will despise and hate the head that it thinks it is inferior to .learn o israel .we are all equal on this earth.lesser or better ,we are what we are and god made us what we are.you can not keep trying to stay in a modern world with humane beliefs and say you are as civilized as the people of today,who say let the people decide. democracy.joke.them poor people voted hamas,how dare they.not happy with jews kicking them out of their homes .they voted hamas.dogs,how dare they,we keep their kids{11000 of them jail
23  |  Terry - Eilat, Israel, Thursday Nov 05, 2009
#14 Mike. Paying debts with funny money won't work for very long. How do you sell debt without a premium interest rate? Double digit interest rates, as happened during the Carter years, went as high as 20% - and this has a serious effect on the economy. Also, as interest rates go up, debt service expense goes up. Prices will rise on all imports & America imports a lot much of which cannot be replaced anymore with local products. Investment slows during periods of inflation & this affects employment. It will take a generation to repair the economic damage of such a policy.
24  |  Terry - Eilat, Israel, Thursday Nov 05, 2009
#15 Daran. Rabin is not quite the heroic figure you imagine. His image is considerably tarnished among most Israelis although our delusional & intellectually dishonest leftists have tried to create a secular cult out of St. Rabin. In any case, Rabin would probably find today's Israeli left quite distasteful. Being assassinated, while tragic, does not make his policies & decisions any less mistaken. And, I might say, that the political manipulation of his assassination is disgusting, truely slimy, under-handed, & unscrupulous, hypocritical & dishonourable.
25  |  andy-london, Thursday Nov 05, 2009
#21 your "poor" palistinians kill each other ,Go to their OWN telivision network "hamas Killing palistinians"and see .what kind of evil creatures Israel has to contend with.They [hamas] throw their own kind of high buildings them finish them of by shooting them.People like you CHOOSE EVIL because your lives are empty.Your kind hate fighting soldiers because your ALL cowards at heart so as long as it's with a crowd of your own ilk jeering easy targets you feel good,Now where are your crowd when it comes to siding with the iranians and marching with them against tyrants?
26  |  Mike Feldman, Canada, Thursday Nov 05, 2009
#23. Terry, my smart Israeli friend. You've hit the nail on the head. The White House is not opposed to infation and raising taxes. And you mentioned the magic word "Carter", whom Obama is often compared to. To be more accurate, I think that hyper-inflation is not out of the question for the US. From the get-go the US has been just printing more money to offset the deficit between inputs and outputs. I think soon enough the Chinese will push for a global currency so if they continue to buy the US debt, they'll do so with "real" money. We spend a lot of time discussing US foreign policy, but the domestic agenda is a whole other matter
27  |  Daran, UK, Thursday Nov 05, 2009
Terry, whatever your views of Rabin, Dr. Dan comments fit Israel closer than Palestinains. That's the unfortunate historical fact. I don't sugest that Bibi acts out of fear of assination. The recent arrest of right wing "terrorist" attest to the continued risk of such people.
28  |  Daran, UK, Thursday Nov 05, 2009
Terry your comments about the underlining weakness of US dollar are noted but I find no explanation of cause sadly lacking as I do from most Americans whom I have discussed this issue with before. Mike is right to say that dollar may not remain the reserve currrency of choice it is today. Since the UK holds 5% of the debt of the US we have no small interest (no pun intended). The premium aspect of US debt notes is that its the US which issues them. If I asked you about your expectation to be payed as factor to lend then US comes out well.
29  |  Daran, UK, Thursday Nov 05, 2009
Mike, what do you think the likely hood of the scenario I painted in #9 playing out. Seems Abbas is taking the first step by not running in new elections. Barghouti seems a shoo in despite the fact he's in jail. I wonder if Hamas is scratching his name from Shalit list as we post?
30  |  J.M.Jordan, Germany, Thursday Nov 05, 2009
Abbas has said he'll not run. Maybe wants to be begged to run + then say "I have to". Pals pretend we'll see Dahlan not Bargouti if somebody's to replace him: ? Anybody informed abt who'd come. And what's more important if this person is ready to see the people's interest, which clearly is coexistence peace + not war till Doomsday. And has the courage to therefore DO it. Anwar Sadat paid w/ his life after he'd made peace. Whoever tries to get peace must be ready to pay the personal price for it (even UN General Secretaries cf. Dag Hammarskjöld). But REAL peace + HEARTS CHANGING is worth it.
31  |  J.M.Jordan, Germany, Thursday Nov 05, 2009
As a matter of fact, Clinton is perfectly right. It IS in the best interest of Abbas to go for negs. THAT's what the Gazans want to see (and most probably also the West Bank and East Jerusalem Pals who certainly would have been very happy IF ONLY his previous negs had brought PEACE RESULT). And on this point Abbas is certainly right: the next negs MUST be for real - no talking for talking's sake: RESULTS! I'd bet anything that IF he's ready to convince the Pals that THIS TIME he's going for negs w/ REAL peace as result he'll win! War till Doomsday wished by A./Hizbullah/Hamas NOT PAL PEOPLE!
32  |  Mike Feldman, Canada, Thursday Nov 05, 2009
Daran. I think the closest comparable to Rabin is Sadat. Obviously, he was not a Palestinian, but an Egyptian. It would be difficult to find a Palistinian who enraged his people by making peace with Israel. I have read speculation that Arafat ultimately rejected the proposals thought to have been agreed on at the Camp David discussions for fear that he would not survive on his return to the Palistinian territories. Also, I wonder if all those (including American Presidents and Netanyahu) who favour a two-state solution, are really just stating a preference to a bi-national or one state solution, which might find favour with the Palistinians, but would never be accepted by the Iraelis.
33  |  Mike Feldman, Canada, Thursday Nov 05, 2009
#29. Daran. I don't know about the machinations of a Shalit-Barghouti swap (if that's what you mean), but I do think that Abbas is a spent force and he feels old, tired, unappreciated and unsuported. I think he's simply lost his desire to be Pres. and he feels he doesn't have support from any side. I can't see where a change in leadership could make the situation less fruitful than it is now.
34  |  TEK NY, Friday Nov 06, 2009
The comments column should not degenerate to just remarks from two folks debating with each other. A limit of one piece per person should be instituted and let that comment stand..
35  |  Bloodyscot Dallas, Texas, Friday Nov 06, 2009
What is Israel willing to offer in talks, very little it seems. There is the Suadi plan and the Roadmap both of which Abbas is trying to follow but Israel feels the risk is too high and the status quo is better option, with possiblity of removing Muslims at some later point. Peace talks are good for Israel as long as the building continues and no deal is reached. If building is stopped while Muslim countries continue to rearm and get closer to being equal to Israel in military might then Israel would have to think about taking peace option. Only true US pressure on bothsides will work.
36  |  J.M.Jordan, Germany, Friday Nov 06, 2009
Though by TEK NY requested new rule MIGHT already stand, bcs of situation's crossroads stand 'll still give it one try. What Abbas hopefully will still understand: it's NOT trying to be "more catholic than the Pope", here more war-gullible than Hamas that'll help. But on the contrary TO GIVE THE PALS AN ALTERNATIVE = PEACE POSSIBILITY as at Annapolis already seemed to have been understood. Further that even peace-willing Israelis/Israelsiders CANNOT CONTINUE as they did if FOR ISRAELI SIDE TOO THERE'S NO OUTLOOK (ONGOING Israelrighttoexistdenial+Carta-Media-Curriculum-consequences. Rockets.)
37  |  J.M.Jordan, Germany, Friday Nov 06, 2009
Though by TEK NY requested new rule MIGHT already stand, bcs of situation's crossroads stand 'll still give it one try. What Abbas hopefully will still understand: it's NOT trying to be "more catholic than the Pope", here more war-gullible than Hamas that'll help. But on the contrary TO GIVE THE PALS AN ALTERNATIVE = PEACE POSSIBILITY as at Annapolis already seemed to have been understood. Further that even peace-willing Israelis/Israelsiders CANNOT CONTINUE as they did if FOR ISRAELI SIDE TOO THERE'S NO OUTLOOK (ONGOING Israelrighttoexistdenial+Carta-Media-Curriculum-consequences. Rockets.)
38  |  Mike Feldman, Canada, Friday Nov 06, 2009
#34. TEK. One statement is one statement. It cannot be a debate until there is a response to it. The response either agrees orf disagrees. Actually, I think that this is the best part of this site. Hate to sound trite, but the obvious is, if you don't like the debate blogs, you can skip over them.
39  |  Daran, UK, Friday Nov 06, 2009
Mike I did'nt mean that Barhgouti need be released, no doubt his campaign would be aided if were still held by Israel. I was asking about what you consider the likely effect of his running would be. Five other Israeli PM,s also voiced support for two state solution so I feel in good company. #35 raises some important questions about how the policy of the current Israel admin can be portrayed, no doubt people like Terry welcome such an approach if it were real, again this sort of thing lends credence to those who say the Israelis are an obstacle for peace, with some justification I feel.
40  |  Michael B ~ USA, Saturday Nov 07, 2009
What most of you folk are missing is a very important part of this discussion! Last year Olmert offered the arabs 98.x% of WB & offered to swap the rest for Israeli land. Olmert offered Arab E. Jerusalem as "Pal" capital & offered to take in 5000 arabs a year from their diaspora. Isn't that what the Arabs say they want? So what happened to that offer? The arabs walked away with no response. Not a yes, not a no, no negotiation on any of the points, just walked away from it. So, what else is Israel to offer? Maybe to remove all Jews from Israel & turn over the whole state to the Arabush?
41  |  Michael B ~ USA, Saturday Nov 07, 2009
Part II Both the Fatah & Hamas charters say that this is exactly what they want. They want the genocide of the Jewish people in Israel. They pretend to negotiate in order that the billions of $s continue to roll in & they can put them in their Swiss accounts. They have no interest in the Arab people by whom they are elected; they have never made any attempt to form a country & improve the lot of their citizens! The Arabs are intransigent & not likely to change any time in the next 50 years. They have no incentive nor motivation to change & the threat of their death makes them even more so!
42  |  Bloodyscot Dallas, Texas, Saturday Nov 07, 2009
Who wins if the talks restart? Israel, the PA would win if there is a deal but that is HIGHLY unlikely since Israel is offering far less now than even a year ago. With 60% of Israel now thinking the only solution is to remove all Muslims, there is only 2 ways to get a peace deal now, heavy US pressure or Muslim countries become a big enough threat that Israel could lose a war, which is unlikely while only Israel has nukes in ME. Heavy US pressure unlikely while Jewish lobby is strong with tons of money for campaigns. US would be better off rearming Arabs and putting more US people to work.
43  |  Mike Feldman, Canada, Saturday Nov 07, 2009
Daran. To answer your question directly, I think it is unlikely that Barhgouti will run. I think he's too smart. The difference between Terry and I is that Terry is unequivocally opposed to a 2-state solution, whereas I tend to vacillate. I would like to see Israel have peace and security, and frankly I don't like what I see of life in Gaza and the West Bank. The problem I see is that the Palestinians are so indoctrinated to hate Israel, that I don't think they want peace. I think they want total "victory" and the destruction of the Jewish State. I cannot see how to produce a good result, when the principals are not interested in bargaining in good faith.
44  |  Glenn Headly, Saturday Nov 07, 2009
With Palestinian elections only weeks away, and in the West Bank only, how do you expect the Israeli government to negotiate with a lame-duck government on its way out? What's the point of beginning negotiations before Hamas wins the west bank elections?
45  |  David J Feiger Oakland Park, Fl USA, Saturday Nov 07, 2009
Abbas to Clinton, " After Israel withdraws to Manhattan and/or Kiev. Everything will be negotiable."
46  |  Bridget in Oregon, Sunday Nov 08, 2009
Questioner must not have read section of said Road Map regarding dismantlement of terrorist infrastructures within its first phase. Nor does he recognize the incremental and sequential order of requirements under the agreement. For any prior tenets unfulfilled, subsequent will not abide. Read carefully, question accurately.
47  |  lydia, Sunday Nov 08, 2009
43 "Principals are not interested in bargaining in good faith" You mean your mendacious lot, ever circumventing the rule of law, violating UN res. with their interpretation of ' the' and 'all' and the continued illegal settlement construction on Arab land outside the jewish state, , shooting farmers, fishermen, bulldozing trees chickens etc. 'Israel wants peace' no kidding? The Arabs/Muslims are like the Elephant in the Zoo, the one you keep abusing and they have the bruises to show, what you are really scared of is that one day he get the drop on you and trample you into the ground..
48  |  lydia, Sunday Nov 08, 2009
40 What you are missing is that the perpetrator of the crime is Israel and It can't dictate terms. Hauled before the Court, the Court decided the punishment. The verdict to return ALL the stolen property not 90% not 99% but ALL is accepted. Israel,however believes that with US support it can thumb its nose at the Int. Community and circumvent the ruling. In true fashion it wishes to burn the Court house down and shoot the victims as well as eradicate the Judges and witnesses. Israel wants the World to wage war on the Arabs/Muslims ie WW3 just so they can steal Muslim land! Not in my name.
49  |  Arab proverb, Sunday Nov 08, 2009
Michael 40/41 As the saying goes "you can lead a horse to water but you cannot make it drink" same applies to a donkey secially that donkey Abbas.
50  |  lydia watch, Sunday Nov 08, 2009
Yes#48 lydia last sentence "not in MY name" whats that? you mean the name "supercrchickenrwoman? Yes of course it figures any woman who can lay eggs with the same ass she speaks with is a mighty force to reckon with. Your obsession with the Zoo betrays your residencal adress.
51  |  Mike Feldman, Canada, Sunday Nov 08, 2009
lydia Good to see you've moved from lions and camels to elephants. When you mention violating UN resolutions, are you sure you're not talking about 1701 and Hizbullah's illegal re-arming in south Lebanon? Or the shipload of arms headed for Hizbollah from Iran? Is your #48 actually supposed to mean something to someone? I demand that the Arabs return all the lands they stole from the Jews before the Jews contemplate any land gifts to the Arabs who started and lost wars. Now. "Not in my name." Who are you? An illegitimate waif whose name doesn't even start with a capital letter.
52  |  Tom, US, Sunday Nov 08, 2009
I see that Feldman is still spouting his psycholoonie babble. Not to worry Lydia. If you hear the twilight zone music in the background every time you read a Feldman post it is with good reason. It isn't your imagination. Feldman talks about Hizbullah being illegally rearmed. Considering the fact that DOGS psycholoonies next door never put down their weapons of mass destruction and refuse to abide by international law as evidenced in Gaza I seriously would hope that Hizbullah be ever vigilant and armed to the teeth.
53  |  Mike Feldman, Canada, Sunday Nov 08, 2009
Tom. I can't believe that you're actually advocating the breaking of a UN Resolution. If I didn't know you better, I'd think that your reasoning is askew. If lydia hears twilight zone music when she's reading my posts, its because she, like you are in the twilight zone.
54  |  lydia, Monday Nov 09, 2009
51 Arabs stole land from the jews surely you jest? You got the Americans forking out $$bil in aid and the Germans forking out $$bil restitution. What, you couldn't get the Russians, the Spanish, the English etc to cough up $$? Better not hold you breath on the Arabs contribution. They got your touchas betwixt a rock and a hard place. "... waif whose name doesn't even start with a capital letter" feldman, (now yours doesn't) "that which we call a rose by any other name would smell as sweet". Your thieving lot of land thieves and murderers of the innocents, by any other name are still the same
55  |  Referee, Monday Nov 09, 2009
Tom and lydia Give it up.Feldman keeps outclassing you every time. Stand back and compare your senseless manufactured mantras with the sane reputable facts and rebuttals of Feldman. If you are honest with yourself (big ask !) you will hang your head in shame and embarassment. Better that than continue to be the object of continuing ridicule.
56  |  Mike Feldman, Canada, Monday Nov 09, 2009
lydia. Too bad you didn't live in the Shakespearean era. You wax very poetic. You should release a compilation of your works and call it "Odes to Insanity" a collection of works by lydia, a self-confessed humble woman and Jew hater. I'd be happy to be your literary agent. (for 25%). It would help sales with the hip, anything for a laugh.Jewish crowd. Thanks ref.
57  |  lydia, Monday Nov 09, 2009
55,56 feldman, resisted quoting Khalil Gibran or Omar Khayyam etc knowing full well how in the ' World according to the jews great Arab literary doesn't exist. Your offer " happy to be your literary agent" doesn't surprise me one it. Israel happily sold Iran its Nuclear technology and despite my obvious repugnant for Israels apartheid regime you would still shelve whatever reservations you might hold to make 25% off "my Odes to Insanity" Bet this justified in your Talmud, what chapter does it say its kosher to make $$ of the gentile fool who would hire you as an agent.
58  |  Mike Feldman, Canada, Wednesday Nov 11, 2009
lydia. Unfortunately I must withdraw my offer too be your literary agent. I cannot represent someone who says that something "doesn't surprise me one "IT". Further, I can't represent someone who substitutes the word "repugnant",when the proper word would be "repugnance". It is chapter 5 of the Talmud that states is is justified to make $$ off the gentile fool, but I must be carefful to not make a fool of myself representing a fool who is even more of a fool than I thought when I made my generous offer. I mean aside from your ignorance of both facts and the English language, you don't even know that Feldman is a proper noun that should be started with a capital letter.
59  |  Professor of Literature, Wednesday Nov 11, 2009
#57 lydia your husband Tom qualifies for the greatest Arab Literary Honour for his exquisite literary poetic expression "shagging" It will remain in the annals of arab cultural achievements for eternity. He will also be remembered as "Shagger Tom" and lydia no need for you to sulk, you too are honored as the closet arab "lydia Superchickenwoman"
60  |  lydia, Wednesday Nov 11, 2009
58,59 The only capital you are is a capital bulls*itter.and feldman the only proper you are is a proper ''ass loch".and for one whose mother tongue is what,yiddish pidgin or reinvented Hebrew and whose 'mate', nugget, couldn't string a sentence together to save his life, I am gobsmacked you'd be so pedantic. However, since the 'agent' offer originally came from you and was spurned, one should in all fairness allow you some room to maneuver so you can salve your ego or lick you wounds..
61  |  Lone Star State, Wednesday Nov 11, 2009
#60 There you go lydia betrayed by your first sentence reference to 'bulls", guess you just can't forget those multi ogasms when that kosher bull Texas Ranger "shagged" (Tom's endearing expression) you when you lifted your skirt thinking it was Tom. Can't blame you for feeling "godsmacked" every time you think of the Texas Ranger and planning to divorce "Shagger Tom" now 2nd class to Texas Ranger.
62  |  El Torro,lydia's favourite gobsmacker, Wednesday Nov 11, 2009
60 lydia, you're confused when you say "gobsmacked". You know not the difference between your 'gob' aka 'mouth' and your ass from whence you spout all that scum, hence when you say gobsmacked you mean that it is your ass that is being smacked in the "shagger Tom" style by kosher Texas bulls.
63  |  AYATOLLA ASA HOLLA, Thursday Nov 12, 2009
I can certify that lydia and Tom have graduated from my Madrassa in the faculty of ASSHOLES and have achieved the highest honors of any of my students. My Madrassa is famous throught the muslim world as the supreme seat of learning for assholes and has accordingly earned the name from its "mad-r-assa" graduates like lydia and Tom. They showed extraordinary talent as assholes under my guidence as their "personal" Ayatolla A.H. aka Ayatolla Assa Holla.
64  |  lydia, Thursday Nov 12, 2009
61-63 feldman, playing with your self again Mate?You should stop it before it makes you go blind. if you can't offer any serious defense to the multitude of accusations being hurled at you and your handlers won't upgrade your research material beyond hasbara 101, you should hand in your 'pink slip', It's obvious you aren't truly valued. That they would expect you to counter our valid arguments against Israel apartheid polices, occupation and savagery without adequate research access is simply not cricket. No wonder you've losing ground with your puerile wit. Be careful not to pop a vessel now
65  |  Oodles of Noodles,kosher Of Course, Thursday Nov 12, 2009
#64 Wassa matter lydia darlin' your ass hurts so much you now get your orgasms hullacinating about Mike's kosher noodle. That figures,after your multiple ogasms being "shagged" by a kosher Texas bull. You arab/muslim trollops just long for kosher noodles in that "Tom shagging style"
66  |  Cricket Umpire, Thursday Nov 12, 2009
#64 lydia, Congratulations for trading your broomstick for a cricket bat. who can blame you after that mega mileage orgasms you achieved which wore out that battered stick. Guess the bat saved you the expense of a re-bore given the wear and tear your ass endured. With the bat "research" of your ass, it just IS cricket Mate. Now watch yourself bending over with that skirt when the bowling,sorry,balling starts
67  |  Mike Feldman, Canada, Thursday Nov 12, 2009
lydia. True to your grandiose delusions you actually believe that I continuously invent new monikers to respond to you. Anyone with an IQ that was higher than their body temperature would clearly see that the posts of Lone Star State,El Torro, and Ayatolla Asa Holla are not mine. I hope they're enjoying your responses because they should celebrate your increasing loss of grip on reality. To me its sad, because at least when you were quoting your Revisionist History.Org bible.there was something to respond to. I notice that you've loostened up sexually and are now given to making Tom-like innuendos. CONT
68  |  Mike Feldman, Canada, Thursday Nov 12, 2009
lydia. CONT - Another sign of mental degeneration, when a "humble woman" reverts to jocko locker room attemps at humour in her blogs. You should stay away from funny, it doesn't work for you, since you're humourless."Its obvious you aren't" truly valued". This is the most blatent application of projection I have ever seen. If being valued was a criteria, you'd be long gone. But your lack of grip causes you to soldier on as a subject for ridicule on this site. I support the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals. Accordingly, I cannot continue to respond to you. Fortunately, you have new followers to keep up the bon repartee
69  |  Scales of Justice, Friday Nov 13, 2009
lydia, stop your bitching to Mike, bitch. Stop crying like a whipped bitch, You now are enjoying the fruits of the seeds of all those Jew hating blogs you sowed. Even a freak like you should understand "You Reap The Fruits Of What You Sow" You obviously enjoy those fruity blogs directed at you or why else would you keep sowing.
70  |  MELODY USA, Friday Nov 13, 2009
its plain and simple,the arabs nations,dont want peace,they want israel,all of it.hamas and heazballah,all those against israel wont make no deals.iran is gathering all them nations,even russia,china,n.korea and venz,s america.the world will have a great awaking.usa and israel ,maybe uk will be the only ones standing alone.i watch usa,its like usa is backing away from the whole world.this worries me and other christains.the arab nation are starting to demand stuff from usa.i really dont know what our president is thinking?we must must defend israel!iran demands on us now them or israel,wow
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