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Wednesday Jan 07, 2009
Rosner's Domain: Getting over the Lebanon SyndromePosted by SHMUEL ROSNER
Comments: 33 Updated!!! Election 2009: Rosner's Poll Trend This is from an article I wrote for The New Republic earlier this week: Most of the soldiers now fighting Hamas terrorists in Gaza were three or four years old when the U.S. launched the First Gulf War. Most of them have no memories of this war, but their parents remember. They remember these toddlers being rushed to shelters, wearing the special child-friendly version of gas masks. They remember an Israel that doesn't respond to the daily barrage of missiles sent from Iraq onto Tel Aviv and Haifa. A wise decision at the time -- the U.S. had asked Israel not to make trouble for the delicate international coalition in which Arab countries were also members -- but one that added to the erosion of Israel's deterrence power. Thus, while the U.S. was slowly getting over its Vietnam Syndrome and getting its military groove back -- for better or worse, Iraq was the prelude to the Balkan intervention, which was the prelude to both Afghanistan and the second Iraq war -- Israel was losing points. The once-mighty regional force was being bombed without reciprocation.
Of course, that was many years ago, and, in the time that has passed, more tests, more battles, had to be fought: the 2000 withdrawal from Lebanon--popular in Israel, but perceived as yet another sign of weakness by its enemies; the second Intifada--and the decisive Israeli response in the Defensive Shield operation that did something to restore Israel's image; the 2005 withdrawal from Gaza--again, perceived as an Israeli show of weakness; and worst of all, the second Lebanon war, two years ago. The Israeli government is still officially claiming that it was not a total failure, but Israelis know better. The Winograd Commission, established to study the war and make recommendations, told them a story they didn't like to hear. Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, as politically savvy and managerially capable as he is, could never recover his image nor regain the confidence of Israelis. His resignation late last year was presumably over corruption, but it was really about the loss of the Lebanon war. He was too weak politically to resist.
And now, Olmert's last mission is repairing the damage he had done two years ago. This war in Gaza needs to make Israelis more confident--to know that they can trust the military to go into battle and leave it victorious. It also needs to make Israel's enemies less cocky--to know that Israel is not the spoiled society, incapable of sacrifice, that they envision. Consider two new position papers published this week by the Begin-Sadat Center for Strategic Studies: One, by Stuart Cohen, asks, "What are the chances that Operation Cast Lead can indeed help the IDF to regain the sort of public acclaim that it once enjoyed?" Another one, by Max Singer, says, "It doesn't matter whether the job is easier or harder; it has to be done. Therefore Israel must do it. Otherwise, Israel can't survive in this region."
Hence, the sobriety, the seriousness, that is pervading Israel today. Soldiers are no longer allowed to use their cell phones to call Mommy and Daddy from the battlefield. And the parents--while tense and waiting for news from their children--seem understanding. They know that the war-management-by cell-phones of 2006 should have been stopped. Cabinet ministers go on the airwaves and refuse to say what they think about the daily happenings--this is time for unity, not for debate, they say. In stark contrast to the Lebanon war in 2006, they are taking pride in keeping secrets--as if reminding the public that mistakes of the past should not be repeated. Israel's useless, irresponsible, reviled politicians have become a group of fairly responsible leaders. The IDF's chief of staff, Gabi Ashkenazi, is setting the tone with his Spartan efficiency, managing the war without a hint of the cockiness or brash arrogance of his Air Force general predecessor, Dan Halutz. The military officers are following his example--not speaking as much to the press or spending time hanging out with ministers, second-guessing their superiors and undermining their competitors, which is what contributed to the unraveling of the Lebanon war in 2006.
Of course, this new and enhanced commitment will be worthless if it does not materialize into something that most people see as an Israeli "victory." There are some encouraging signs: The leaders understand how high the stakes are, the media is not as hysterical as it was in 2006, and the military has adjusted its strategies in light of their failure in Lebanon. But most of all, the Israeli public seems well aware of how high the stakes are.
1 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Wednesday Jan 07, 2009
Israel is not ruthless enough to survive in this region. Threats are mounting all around us & we are not doing much to neutralize them. Our political system just does not function. Far too many Israelis are complacent, apathetic, uninvolved, poorly informed. They prefer to live in denial, wishful thinking has replaced tough & realistic assessments that lead to effective action. The media is dominated by left-wing appeasers, our academic establishment is riddled with outright traitors spreading poison to our young people, our High Court is a bad joke.
2 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Wednesday Jan 07, 2009
The Gaza operation cannot be seen as having restablished our deterrence - we are accepting a ceasefire without having caused sufficient damage to Hamas. The same serial bunglers are bungling again. What about Gilad Shalit - why is his safe return not part of the ceasefire? International monitors - everyone except our politicians knows this is stupid & ineffective. The casualty figures tell the truth - Hamas has barely been touched. Almost all of their leaders are still alive. And the international clamor of a ''humanitarian crisis'' has again proven effective against us.
3 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Wednesday Jan 07, 2009
But the major sign that we have not changed is the continued babbling about peace & a two-state solution. Even a total fool can see that an agreement with Abbas is worth less than used toilet paper. Yet the public discourse goes on & on, the same crap about ''moderates'', the same tired cliches & slogans unconnected to reality. Look at the way we treat the problem of Israeli-Arabs - mostly politically correct BS - nothing but liberal rhetoric & hiding our heads in the sand.
We are devoid of all notion of common sense - it's all buried under tons of BS rhetoric.
4 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Wednesday Jan 07, 2009
Many Israelis prefer to pretend we live in Europe, that this is Scandanavia, that we can afford to accept the norms & values of civil society as if this was another American state. But this is the Middle-East, a region that operates under totally different rules. I am not saying we should sink to the level of barbarity of our neighbors. But we must take into account the norms of our environment. Our neighbors live in an alternate reality formed by a rather nasty totalitarian ideology, by brutal societal norms, & an unrelenting hatred towards us. We cannot lose sight of that fact.
5 | David Gleicher, Jerusalem, Wednesday Jan 07, 2009
One part of Israeli society that has learned nothing from the past is the Left. A reader of Haaretz would think that the war has been a disaster so far, that we are committing both stupid errors as well as war crimes, and that Obama is just waiting until January 20th to rip into us (and that's without including Levy and Hass). Your analysis is much more accurate. As long as our politicians are not shaken up by European pressure and keep their focus on the bottom-line goals of ZERO rockets, the return of Shalit, and the end of the smuggling, we'll be all right.
6 | Moshe, Haifa, Wednesday Jan 07, 2009
How can a war that produced two and a half years of quiet can be compared (unfavorably) with
a war that has not produced yet one day of quiet? This is not to say that this operation will not be a great success. Hopefully we will get 5 or 10 or 50 years of quiet from Gaza and mark this operation as a great one. I am much more humble. I would sign today on two and a hald years without one rocket launched from Gaza.
7 | , Wednesday Jan 07, 2009
5 is right.
8 | , Wednesday Jan 07, 2009
Weaknesses Lebanon exposed have in part been addressed by our people. Terry is altogether too pessimistic. The current media coverage on BBC and CNN is more balanced towards Israel, although fundamental oversimplifications and bias remain. America is being incredibly supportive, and Arab criticism of Hamas is certainly refreshing. With the advent of the lull for humanitarian aid, Israel should be able to keep the heat on Hamas and what is most important participate in the negotiations without being made the fall guy. In short, a potentially brilliant political utilization of military force.
9 | Eva, Belgium, Wednesday Jan 07, 2009
Olmert and company are dreaming! They really think that Hamas will bend down at their conditions! Olmert and co want the Israeli's to believe that everything in Gaza is under control! And so do the Israeli people believe! But they are afraid to tell them the truth about their total defeat in Gaza! I have compassion with the Israeli people who believe them! Hamas promised to send the Israeli soldiers to hell and keeps now her promises! Israeli experts advises the Israeli troops to retire because they didn't expect that Hamas became stronger than former years!
10 | sinnerconman (Malaysia), Wednesday Jan 07, 2009
Hamas is running scare and the Prime Minister is looking favorable towards a ceasefire pulled together by the US, France and Egypt. What a stupid idea. IDF must put on the pressure and continue massive air and ground assault for at least another week. Never trust Hamas whose only aim is to destroy the state of Israel.The terrorists are keeping its casualties secret and housing its wounded and dead in undisclosed locations. There are now wearing civilian clothes and their deaths will increase the number of civilians killed and another good propaganda for the terrorists. IDF press on.
11 | Joyce, South Carolina, USA, Wednesday Jan 07, 2009
Ignore the press, the media and Obama, on to Victory Israel, God is on your side!
Is anything to hard for God?
12 | Sarah Ruth, Wednesday Jan 07, 2009
God is not on anyone's side, fools.
Israel was created as a political wedge in the Middle East. The destruction of Palestinian farms and orchards, the segregation of peoples, the creation of third and fourth generation refugees, the starvation, humiliation and slaughter of children ... this is what Israel has brought to the Middle East. A pox on your god excuse and the whores of war.
13 | LK, Geneva, Switzerland, Wednesday Jan 07, 2009
Finish the job and don't listen to self-aggrandizing politicians who safely sit on the perchs in Paris, London and Cairo. KADIMA - FINISH THE JOB.
14 | Bill - Canada, Wednesday Jan 07, 2009
There is simply not enough women and children in Gaza for the brave Israeli soldiers to really establish a huge body count. We are all aware that Israelis kill more Israelis every year than Hamas rocket attacks do, so it is not hard to see the shallowness of this latest ethnic cleansing foray into Gaza.
Yes, the brave Israeli soldier, with his tanks, finest rifles, F-16 support, really shows his "courage" killing defenseless women and children. You must be very proud!
btw..... I don't expect you cowards to post this comment, it's your "way". Freedom of speech means nothing to Israel.
15 | annoyed, Houston, Wednesday Jan 07, 2009
Well they posted your dumb comment No 14. It is the IDF that targets only military targets of value, while Hamas intentionally targets civilians, in case you have not been paying attention. I am sure the Canadians fighting in WW II never fired mortars into or bombed into French or German cities, and were perfectly able to avoid civilian deaths. If only you would show the IDF how to conduct war on those terms, we'd be in your debt.
16 | Gábor Fränkl Budapest, Hungary, Wednesday Jan 07, 2009
Bill from CDN - yours is pathetic idiotic far-left mentality straight from the Canadian unreliable media. The only thing which always interested me was the sheer fact WHY, why you out there NEVER seem to be upset every time a Canadian "peace delagation" in Afghanistan kills from far above the sky Pashtun wedding parties full of women and childre. For the love of God, where are your whining then? Is this a human condition and a pitiful tribal mentality, Bill?
17 | Eva, Belgium, Wednesday Jan 07, 2009
To Sinnerconman: It is not Hamas who's running away from the battle, on the contrary. It is the Israeli state who's scared and runs away. Don't you see that Israel is asking for a cease-fire and not Hamas? Hamas became stronger and the Israeli soldiers are losing the battle (physical and moral). Israeli soldiers are crying for fear of Palestinian resistance fighters! Gaza becames a hell and a tomb for them!By the way: Israel killed till now about 600 palestinians and no one of them were members of Hamas. Even UNRAW proved and said that Israeli state tells lies about the palestinian victims!
18 | Eva, Belgium, Wednesday Jan 07, 2009
To 14 Bill from Canada: you are right and I'm with your opinion! You know why the IDF kills the childeren and the women? Because they are cowards! You know why they are cowards? Because they are working for a state that loves killing innocents and unarmed people to prove to the world that they are "powerfull" while they are running away from a face to face with Hamas! I swear by God that they are afraid of Hamas, or why is Israel now begging for a cease-fire if she is not afraid of them?!
19 | Fatih - Germany, Wednesday Jan 07, 2009
For me it is really interesting to see all these comments. The only thing I am interested in is that babies and children are being killed. They are innocent, they can not be terrorist. The only explanation why Israel troops killing all these innocent livings without caring is that: they do not see them as humans. Because they are the children of enemy. This is a sick way of thinking! Killing babies -whether it belong to an Arab family or Jewish family=the same- does not help the people, blood brings blood. They should try to stop their politicians. This is what a human being would do.
20 | Shahid Syed - Karachi, Pakistan, Wednesday Jan 07, 2009
I agree with Mr. Rosner's opinion, totally. Thing have changed as compare to 2 years ago. In fact I.D.F. has really performed well. Now, Mr. Gabi Ashkenazi is leading I.D.F. like a true warrior and man of substance. Mr. Ehud Olmert has improved a lot. Up to now, everything is going perfect for Israel in terms of Military, Political Decision-Making, Diplomatic Front and Media War. Let us hope, Israel eventualize and win its wars on all fronts in a perfect photo-finish. All the Best!
21 | Cliff L USA, Wednesday Jan 07, 2009
Faith ...I see you are from Germany! Let me remind you in 1940 Germany (Nazis) bombed London. Will you please tell me if those bombs were "smart" enough not to kill English children? I DON"T THINK SO! Yes, civilians, espec children, are innocent victums of war, but when you attack a nation like Hamas did by sending roickets.into Israel..they will get it back hard! Thats what the Allies did...I was in Germany and saw the rubble that was left in German cities. Hitler should have thought of what he had wrought to Germany back then.
22 | Cliff L USA, Wednesday Jan 07, 2009
Terry is right...If Israel thinks this is over with a "cease fire",you are wrong. Terry states many (not all) Israeli's think that eventually the terrorists will get tired of fighting. That's called "Jewish hope"...we Jews always hope..we hope to much. We say "Some day they will love us..after all we gave the world God, ten commandmenst, Jesus, and even Allah (OI VEY)! Forget it, Terry knows well the Jew Hatred out there. And don't expect "short wars" anymore. Israel is used to winning short wars..those days are over! So far..the Gaza venture looks good. But the fat lady hasn't sung yet!
23 | Tom, USA, Wednesday Jan 07, 2009
VICTORY ? ? ? All this current event accomplished was to create many more people who are willing to continue this war for centuries. At least when we did Viet Nam we had a place to go home to. But you just poured gas all over a fire that rages in your own home. You simply exacerbated an ongoing issue.
24 | Bill - Canada, Wednesday Jan 07, 2009
Latest headline - Jan 7th, 2009
"The Israelis fought Bravely to and managed to take down 470 unarmed Palestinian women and children".
Out of 600 deaths, Israel claims 130 militants have been killed. But everyone knows that if there is no more women or children, the Palestinian ethnic cleansing will be a stellar Zionist achievement. Oh those brave IDF baby killers.... Israel must be very proud of their courageous men!
Can we call that a success or what?
25 | Gábor Fränkl Budapest, Hungary, Thursday Jan 08, 2009
Shahid Syed from Karachi Pakistan: WHO ARE YOU???
26 | Eva, Belgium, Thursday Jan 08, 2009
To 24 Bill from Canada: those IDF baby killers are cowards, like I told you before, they are big cowards, losers,murders, criminals, "fighting" in the name of a new Nazi criminal state: Israel! They really love to massacre innocents!
27 | Chris Benton from Virginia, USA, Friday Jan 09, 2009
The moderate Israelis and Palestinians will have the final say. Thats right, one day we will see Israelis and Palestinians as business partners, living in two separate countries,side by side. They may not be the best of friends, but they won't be enemies either. They will be too busy making money to make war. That is my long term vision and it will happen. It is going to take awhile though!
28 | Chris Benton from Virginia, USA, Friday Jan 09, 2009
The moderate Israelis and Palestinians will have the final say. Thats right, one day we will see Israelis and Palestinians as business partners, living in two separate countries,side by side. They may not be the best of friends, but they won't be enemies either. They will be too busy making money to make war. That is my long term vision and it will happen. It is going to take awhile though!
29 | not bill clinton, Friday Jan 09, 2009
I see Eva is filling this thread with her hatred and venomous garbage. the crack cocaine she has been smoking, must have worn off, go hit the street, some muslim guy will give you 10 euros for services rendered, after that you can go score a dime rock, and get high as a kite, and think of some more anti-american, anti-semetic words. See folks what Crack can do to one's brain, look at eva....
30 | Lisa, USA, Friday Jan 09, 2009
Poor 'Eva' -- ululating, deranged, lying in every sentence, coming all the way from 'Belgium' to troll JPost. No NORMAL person would rejoice in the death of civilians. Yet SOME PEOPLE positively revel in it. The same people who break into kindergartens and massacre children and teachers inside. The same people who crush children's skulls, who shoot a pregnant woman and her little daughters point blank, who pass candy and hold parades whenever they murder enough Jewish kids. You know who these people are, don't you 'Eva'? And besides, posting under a stolen Jewish name is contemptible.
31 | Lisa, USA, Friday Jan 09, 2009
Bill - Canada,
the IDF soldiers are indeed brave -- they need to abandon their peaceful occupations to take arms and defend their country. And instead of bombing Gaza into a parking lot, as SOME would do, the IDF actually sends infantry in to try and engage Hamas. But where are those Hamas warriors? Valiantly hiding behind women and children, as is their custom.
32 | Eva, Belgium, Friday Jan 09, 2009
Poor Lisa! First of all: "Eva" is not only a name used by jews. It is my real name,I don't need to use a nickname to undercover myself like the US gov and the Israeli state does to hide their horrible crimes! Those people who you are talking about are the IDF soldiers who kills childeren, women, old persons, demolish hospitals, schools, the ground organization and call themselves "heroes" and "protectors of freedom"! Yes, they really deserve a "medal for their crimes against humanity" and "a medal of cowardness"! Wake up, open your eyes and don't be naive!
33 | jonah, tel-aviv, Saturday Jan 10, 2009
There is so much paranoia about hamas, but no consider of the UN war crimes committed by Israel. I wonder how much to the right will ending up going in this society. its sad.
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