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Sunday Nov 08, 2009
Rosner's Domain: Friedman to US: quit the peace-processingPosted by SHMUEL ROSNER
Comments: 57      Follow Rosner's Domain on Twitter! / Join me on Facebook! The WP's Glenn Kessler was trying to explain what happened to the Obama administration in the Middle East: The administration's key error, many analysts say, was to insist that Israel immediately freeze all settlement growth in Palestinian-occupied territories. The United States has never accepted the legitimacy of Israeli settlements, but the Obama administration took an unusually tough stance. It refused to acknowledge an unwritten agreement between Israel and Bush to limit growth in settlements, with Clinton leading the charge to demand a full settlement freeze. I did the same thing here, but it's Hebrew - so I can read his take and he can't read mine. And to those proposing a "more robust US involvement" in the peace process - Tom Friedman has a somewhat different idea: This peace process movie is not going to end differently just because we keep playing the same reel. It is time for a radically new approach. And I mean radical. I mean something no U.S. administration has ever dared to do: Take down our "Peace-Processing-Is-Us" sign and just go home.
1 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Sunday Nov 08, 2009
I generally see Tom Friedman as a glip, superficial, misunderstander of the Middle-East. That being said, on occasion, he gets it right. This time, he's right. It's not going to happen, of course, but he is correct nonetheless. Foreign interference has only made things worse. The US, the EU, & the UN have only prolongued the conflict with their meddling. America should get out of the ''peace'' business.
2 | Sally - U.S.A., Sunday Nov 08, 2009
This sounds like a similar article that Friedman had written before. I guess he just blows off the dust & redates it. I heard him on TV after the stock market fell. He was busy lecturing everyone on economics but didn't know a MBS from a MBA. Netanyahu is in the US, but Obami wouldn't agree to meet with him (although both were going to speak at the GA). Abbas is going to have elections, won't run, but is threatening to dismantle the PA. I hope Netanyahu is consulting with his mother on Jewish guilt so that he can pick up some pointers to counter balance those two. (or maybe a psychologist).
3 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Sunday Nov 08, 2009
#2 Sally. Friedman has a BS in BS. Friedman on economics is almost as funny as Friedman on the Middle-East. You have to admit, however, that Friedman gets paid an awful lot for spouting nonsense, the market for foolishness is as big as the market for junk-food, with which it shares many similarities. This crap with Abbas is even funnier, what election can he have without Gaza? Does it really matter if he runs or doesn't run? I didn't know there was anything to dismantle in the PA? Who would even notice if it was dismantled & who would get the aid money? Nareshkeit.
4 | Sally - U.S.A., Sunday Nov 08, 2009
Terry, I keep hoping that the New York Times will fulfill its promise to file a chapter 11. Then Friedman can argue for TARP funds.
5 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Sunday Nov 08, 2009
#4 Sally. Don't joke about it - that's probably the plan, a ''bail-out'' of the mainstream media (I saw someone call it the ''lame stream media'') - then, the NYT can change their name to Pravda, the WashPo to Isvestia. The US taxpayer will directly support propaganda organs of the State. That way, no one at all will read them but they can stay in business anyway (& Friedman et al can still collect exhorbitant salaries). They will become ''public servants'' - parasites living off what's left of the productive elements of society.
6 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Sunday Nov 08, 2009
I think Friedman is right this time, for a change. However, I would not agree with most if his list of "savvy" politicians who siezed the moment to move the peace process forward.
7 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Sunday Nov 08, 2009
#4 Sally. I'd rather see them file for Chapter 7 ......Look at the way the MSM has handled the Ft Hood terrorist attack. It's positively incredible (meaning zero credibility). These people are total morons & that's the kindest comment I could make.
8 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Sunday Nov 08, 2009
#6 Mike Feldman. Just out of morbid curiosity, how was the Ft Hood atrocity covered in Canada?
9 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Sunday Nov 08, 2009
Terry. Like in the US, it depends on who you watch. Made front pages here then disappeared. However, it seems increasingly likely that Hassan had moved towards Islamist extremism and there was negligence on behalf of the Army in not seeing the signs and discharging him. Given the ongoing revelations, it can be called an act of terrorism. I'm sure you've read or seen the signs of his mental instability, it is said that he praised suicide bombings, and it is reported that he was yelling Allahu Akbar as he was shooting.Finally, it is thought that he was distraught at being deployed to Afghanistan were of course. its "infidels" killing Muslims.
10 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Sunday Nov 08, 2009
#9 Mike. The PC Brigade was out in full force on this one. Conservative blogs had the best & most complete (and accurate) coverage, as usual. My own opinion is that Islamic teachings induce mental instability, that there is a direct causal relationship between Islamic ideology & acts of violence. The MSN did every possible mental gymnastic to avoid any ''Islamic'' link. I see you agree that the US should get out of the peace business - it won't happen, unfortunately, but it would be the most productive thing they could do. Shocking that someone like Friedman would have a good idea.
11 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Sunday Nov 08, 2009
#10 Terry. Re: Islamic teachings induce mental instability. Agreed. However, something could be said for the chicken and egg, which came first theory. Do stable-minded people become unstable through Islamic teachings, or are mentally unstable persons attracted to the teachings?
12 | Sally - U.S.A., Sunday Nov 08, 2009
According to CNN he is a Palestinian. His Uncle said he went into psychiatry because he could not stand the sight of blood. Anyway, have you ever read Joel Chandler Harris? Uncle Remus? The situation (Obami, Friedman, & Abbas) reminds me of Brer Rabbit - oh, no! Don't throw me into the Briar Patch.
13 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Sunday Nov 08, 2009
#11 Mike. I know many fine, normal, sane Muslims - and they are normal DESPITE Islamic teaching & Arab culture. On the other hand, I think that Arab society is severely dysfunctional & much of this dysfunction can be traced to Islamic teaching. I sincerely believe that Islam induces a form of mental illness & that personality formation in Arab/Muslim societies is pathological by Western standards. Not being a multi-culturalist moral equivalancy kind of guy, I make a judgement. I would admit that Western culture has it's own set of pathologies, Leftism chief among them.
14 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Sunday Nov 08, 2009
Excellent points Terry. If everything going on around you is perceived as evil due to your indoctrination, its not too difficult to imagine one becoming disaffected and alienated to their surroundings. Acting out is not too many steps away.
15 | Cry, USA, Sunday Nov 08, 2009
The Cold War made the Arab/Israeli conflict important on an international scale. Without the scare of a big power confrontation, left to their own devices, Israel and the Arabs would fight to a conclusion or reach a long term status quo. Either is preferable to the insufferable, misnamed "peace process". The Arabs may actually realize what is in their long term interest if stripped of their fantasies which are enabled by the International community. Friedman right for once- I'm going to be looking for flying pigs.
16 | Seymour in Berkeley, Sunday Nov 08, 2009
Friedman is now advocating the very strategy George W. used in most of his administration which got him dubbed as "stupid" and insouciant by the then candidate Obama. The latter promised engagement with Israeli-Palestinian peace-making and forward movement from day one. Unfortunately, a series of misjudgments showed him to be inept, setting the peace process back significantly and ending with egg on his face. Who looks stupid now, Tom?
17 | lydia, Monday Nov 09, 2009
11 Traumatized Vets returning from the Israel wars on the Muslims, unburden their sufferings on Hassan, detail the atrocities they saw, committed etc. Knowing full well Iraq war was on Israels 'manufactured evidence', and that Saddam had no WMD, Hassan one of 10Ks Muslim in the army flips and kills13. McVeigh wasn't a Muslim when he killed160, though he too was disillusioned with the war, WACO the Govt.etc. Israels justification for slaughtering innocent women, children, caged zoo animals and defenseless chickens, was pure Greed to steal Palestinian land, or did Judaism make them do it?
18 | Daran, UK, Monday Nov 09, 2009
Terry I'm not sure what you mean by "leftism" anymore is that just everyone to the left of you or left of some idea of a shared center. Are'nt those who swing chickens round their heads and seek to impose "modesty" on those who are just going about in what they regard as "their" neighbourhoods. Also suffering a "pathology" which seems culturally imposed. should people go round Haredi telling them their pathological religious beliefs are offensive to others in the "community" and that their only sane despite them. Or is the sort of pathology you link with the "western" culture
19 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Monday Nov 09, 2009
#18 Daran. No, Daran, everyone to the left of me is not a die-hard leftist. And I can distinguish between liberals & hard-core far-left ideologues. It might surprise you, but I hold quite a few liberal views myself although I'm more of a libertarian or classical liberal. If you're asking me what I think of Haredim, well, I think they're a sect & they hold some very un-Jewish beliefs. I have no problem with the swinging chickens, it was a general custom where I grew up although my grandfather said it was not ''proper'' (un-Jewish) like praying to saints & rabbis.
20 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Monday Nov 09, 2009
#18 Daran. So, in many ways, yes, I think certain groups of Haredim are a pathological development. This does not mean that I am anti-religious, however, I'm not a rabid secularist who sees every manifestation of Judaism as anathema, quite the contrary. But I must stress that there is NO moral equivalancy between Judaism & Islam. None, nada. Islam is a pathology, a sick ideology quite different from other religions, this due to specific doctrines which set it apart from other belief-systems, it being closer to secular ideologies such as communism or national socialism, totalitarianism.
21 | Texas Ranger, Monday Nov 09, 2009
lydia er,lydia aka Chicken lickin' lydia,you're smothering Tom with all that lickin' OK OK we know your
obsession with chickens,but, hey keep it between you two perverts.Chickens,skirts, shagging,what next??
It ain't helping your IQ, your blogs are sinking deeper into the sh**t pit.
22 | Tom, US, Monday Nov 09, 2009
Only steers and queers there in Texas rump ranger so I guess that narrows it down in your case since you aren't a steer. If anybody needs the shit pits we will call on you Yid who is pretending to be an American. Why is it that you jews wrap yourself in the American flag and pretend to be patriotic ? But always ONLY when it has to do with America fighting wars for Israel ? Because you faggots are way too cowardly to fight real wars and can ONLY hack killing off unarmed women and kids in the stolen land !
23 | Texas Ranger, Monday Nov 09, 2009
#22 Tom lydia knows I ain't no steer but a Texas BULL who caught her with her skirt up. Remember your
preoccupation with " skirts" and "shagging" Tom?? Don't be too hard on her Tom she can't help herself and
its a change from her ass laying all those chicken eggs. Gee, must be a first .a BULL shagging a lydia MotherHen. Bonus: a kosher bull.
24 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Monday Nov 09, 2009
#17 and 22 Thank you for my morning smile. Back to #17. The Devil made him do it.
25 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Monday Nov 09, 2009
Daran. I think comparing what might be called radical Jewish sects to Islamist extremism requires a great leap away from logic. Swinging chickens over your head is quite different than shooting handguns at fellow army personnel. Requirements for modesty are an accepted norm amongst Muslims and those who visit their countries. It can be considered pretty mainstream. I concur that many Jews have quite liberal social values, but their views towards the Middle East are distinct from their other views. In view of the intended treachery of Arabs toward Israel, liberal ideology can easily cross the line to naiveness. That is how I view the J-Streeters.
26 | Tom, US, Monday Nov 09, 2009
The Obama administration number one mistake is making any attempt at all regarding a middle east peace. America has already wasted way too much time and energy regarding a ME peace. The best thing Obama and the US could do is to simply walk away from the ME entirely. Cut all funding to Israel as well as military cooperation. Also cut funding to Egypt. If Egypt want to attack Israel then so be it. Israel has no intent of ever being at peace with any of their neighbors so it's time that the US accept that fact and walk away from the entire region. America has NOTHING to gain.
27 | Tom, US, Monday Nov 09, 2009
Rump Ranger, the Yid queer in Texas - I love it every time some asshole comes online actually thinking that anybody gives a rats ass regarding their sexual hallucinations. Outside of posting in here I have absolutely no involvement with Lydia nor have I attempted to engage any involvement. What Lydia does or has in her personal life is entirely her business. Having said that I seriously doubt that Lydia would have anything to do with a homosexual jew in Texas who more than likely gives head jobs to cattle as well as is the drag queen at his local fag watering hole.
28 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Monday Nov 09, 2009
#26. Is Tom really Tom Friedman? What a hoot.
29 | Paul, USA, Monday Nov 09, 2009
@ Tom, USA - I was curious how picky the moderator here was.... judging from your last comment they don't do much censoring....
30 | Daran, UK, Monday Nov 09, 2009
Terry. I consider myself as liberterian democrat, so prehaps Mike was right when he said we share more than divides us. I must question the idea that islam and and judaism are so different that they can not be compared or the acts of those who kill and murder in the name of those faiths, while the numbers of those willing to commit murders and acts of terror may be very different, the motivations of those that do are very very similar. Baruch Goldstien as the equivalent to Hassan in the states, yes I would say so.
31 | Daran, UK, Monday Nov 09, 2009
anyway back to the topic, idea that if the americans just packed in all in and arab peace plan was withdrawn, Israel security would be enhanced, or even the American's, is folly I think. The "problem" which remains is older than the state and in a nutshell is that the arabs have never recognised that Israel is sovereign jewsih state in the "holy land". I believe such a recognition is close if Israel is willing to make the painful decisions necessary boarders, settlements and hardest of all Jerusalem. None of those points has Israel on the "right" side of international law
32 | lydia, Monday Nov 09, 2009
23,24 feldman, When you can't deny the undeniable you seek shelter behind another set of non de plume then start hurling insults again. What happened to Gold' Nugget Afro American et al?. As soon as they get clobbered you retire them and dream up some more. What about those little jack horner "What a good boy am I!" ones? Your MO is so blatantly obvious, Roflmao. Tom don't let him rile you, Israel stands there knee high in the blood of innocent Palestinians whose only crime is that Israel covet their land. The feathers and pelts of the dead caged animals are more nails in their coffins.
33 | Texas Ranger, Tuesday Nov 10, 2009
Tom closet arab doing no doubt what arabs do best "shagging" each other. The "arch asshole" Tom
with the longest record of coming online with HIS sexual hallucinations on record for his constant
sexual references in fact inventing his now famous classical term "shagging" best applied to himself
as "shagger" to his arab brothers and "shaggee" to his arab brothers.Hes so touchy about his marriage
to lydia that he now indicates he has "no involvement" with her,could it be that these2 freaks of nature
are now divorced?? Tom let slip he's a shagger of rats asses,hallal rats asses of course!!
34 | Uncle Tom,Tom's Uncle, Tuesday Nov 10, 2009
#27 Tom, so you love it every time some asshole comes on line, that must be why you come on line so
often, you lucky dog, you.
35 | Tom, US, Tuesday Nov 10, 2009
Happy to see that you could tear yourself away from giving head to cattle long enough to type out a post Rump Ranger. It must be difficult juggling time between your local gay bar buddies and your barn yard activities to find time for anything else in your life. Do you have a menorah in the barn where you service the herd ?
36 | Tom, US, Tuesday Nov 10, 2009
So now Benny NutbagYahoo had his audience with Barak Obama. A real shame that Obama didn't have the intransigent bum placed under arrest. Slapping on the Patriot Act provisions and then having Nutbag renditioned. Where he could have been water boarded to find out what all he knows about Israel's involvement with 9/11.
37 | Texas Ranger, Tuesday Nov 10, 2009
Tom Happy to see that you love "shagging" your rats (arab? muslim? Virmin) asses so much that you say you"wouldn't give away a rat's ass" because you want ALL those asses just for yourself. lydia must be a complete flop to drive you into these extra-maratial shagging of chicken asses, rats asses,lion asses et al zoo animal asses.Well I must say these unique grounds for your divorce will sure make International
headlines.
38 | Ivanhoe, Tuesday Nov 10, 2009
#32 lydia you and your hubby "shagger Tom" are cracking under the strain of the various bloggers who show you up as no match for them,so much so that you attack Mike. As the saying goes: If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen. You both never have and never will triumph over your challengers.
39 | Ivanhoe, Tuesday Nov 10, 2009
#32 lydia you and your hubby "shagger Tom" are cracking under the strain of the various bloggers who show you up as no match for them,so much so that you attack Mike. As the saying goes: If you can't stand the heat get out of the kitchen. You both never have and never will triumph over your challengers.
40 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Tuesday Nov 10, 2009
#32 lydia. Really time for meds for you. Whoever, can ,get "clobbered" as you so wistfully exclaim with girlish glee, but it ain't me sweetie Jew hater. If you can't get over pseudo-African American exposing Tom's racism, thats your problem. He was a one shot deal, now retired, like Muhammed Ali. Move on. Let's get back to reality, like the lions and camels. Focus, lydia, focus.
41 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Tuesday Nov 10, 2009
Daran. I read your blog with interest,but was momentarily distraced by another idiiotic blog from lydia. Anyway, I know you were addressing Terry, but I agree that there is often more common ground than disagreement. However, I always react to the "equivalancy" game. Hasan was last week. Goldstein was 15 years ago. If 15 years had gone by since a Muslim perpetrated mass murder, we would not be recalling his name. Further, as many Palestinians died in the riots they started themselves after Goldstein himself was beaten to death, as were iniititially killed by Goldstein. Finally, I can't get my head around all the painful steps Israel must take for simple recognition. What about the Pals.
42 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Tuesday Nov 10, 2009
Daran. Finally, the deranged Goldsten viewed the Arabs he killed as his enemies. If Hasan viewed his fellow Army officers as his enemies, there is reason to investigate negligence on the Army for him being there in the first place.
43 | Lt. Killer, IDF (G.E.S.T.A.P.O.), Tuesday Nov 10, 2009
I confess. As a member of the IDF's Gaza Enforcement Squad, Torture All Palestinians Office, I shot a Gazan 3 pointer (women, children, chickens) and a lion (He was starving. Seems the zookeeper had run out of Fatah members to feed him). I intentionally threw dimes at them. Unfortunately, the chickens couldn't eat the coins, and the women started removing their skirts. So I dropped WP (Wholewheat Pita) on them all. Then some innocent civilians, waving a white flag to prove that they weren't GUILTY civilians fired at me, so I lifted a skirt, shagged the camel and declared piece on earth.
44 | Daran, UK, Tuesday Nov 10, 2009
Mike, both deranged no doubt in my mind, I choose Goldstien because he was a physician like Hassan. Jewish murderers with terrorist intent did'nt stop with him though, I already stated their numbers are very much fewer, 1.6 billion vrs 14 million. might provide an answer to why rather than judaism being "free" of such teachings which some construe to justify terror. Lets face it plenty have in the past. As it seems Terry wants to have it that no connection or comparison is valid. I dispute that. I'm not saying that judaism is alone with islam in this, other ideolgies lead people to terror too.
45 | lydia, Tuesday Nov 10, 2009
42 No feldman, Hassan would have more likely empathized with the decent young men and women who had serious reservations about the USof A being conned into an illegal war with the Muslims, wreaking havoc on 'the cradle of civilization', murdering and maiming millions, including innocent Iraqi women and children. "Just following orders" would have been even harder to rationalize since Iraq turned into a quagmire (an Iranian tarbaby) and Israels involvement in the manufactured WMDs was no longer secret.. Enough to drive most over the edge, lest of all Hassan who originally 'hailed' from the ME.
46 | lydia, Tuesday Nov 10, 2009
40 feldman, You admitting to Muhammed Ali, Afro American, roflmao, come now and the others? Do better than that to restore your sliver of credibility. You have been sprung, Mate! Tom, I bet feldman isn't even in Canada, unless Rosner is. But being duplicitous and false comes so naturally to this lot ever the mendacious little jews. But let's focus feldman. Israel is a racist apartheid state in contravention of UN resolutions, its self declared jewish state is well outside its prescribed borders. It lays siege and slaughters Palestinian, caged animals etc to steal land Israel covets.
47 | Zookeeper,Gaza, Wednesday Nov 11, 2009
#43 Hey buddy,at the end of your blog you admit "I lifted a skirt,'shagged' a camel" That act in itself gives
you away as Tom the blogger aka Lt.Killer. lydia is furious with you for revealing to the world that she looks like a camel. Actually that should flatter her,judging from her profile she looks more like a cane
toad indigenious to her country.
48 | Texas Ranger, Wednesday Nov 11, 2009
Word is out in Texas that Tom and lydia were patients of palestinian psychiatrist Dr Hasan. That figures a nut treating 2 fellow palestinian nuts.
49 | Mike Feldman Canada, Wednesday Nov 11, 2009
lydia. I'm starting to feel like a shrink who arguing with a sick partient. You have such a great need to post that you admit your mental instability to make a point. After all, understanding why Major Hasan murdered fellow soldiers shows a departure from reality into the sick world of Islamic extremism. And you're not even a Muslim. Psychiatric conclusion. Hatred of Jews and need to confront the unconfrontable is driving you crazy . Again in #46 ädmittin to Muhammed Ali" rolfmao. What in heaven's name is there to lyao? Muhammed Ali was a boxer, he's retired now. Is that funny? Or is your Cont
50 | Mike Feldman Canada, Wednesday Nov 11, 2009
lydia CONT - laughter a further sign that you are losing what little grip you had on reality. What could ÿou have been sprung < Mate!", mean to anyone other than you. It is a non-sequiter to any normal reaction. Why would any sane human being doubt that I was in Canada. Maybe an unstable, person with delusions of grandeur who thinks alias are directed to her, would move to this as a fall back postion when other assertions have lost all credibilty. The lions and camels have lost status, Now they're just the caged animals. As they go, so go you. I think even Tom is becoming embarrassed having his name linked to yours.
51 | Southernlight, Wednesday Nov 11, 2009
You gotta be joking...the NYT annoyed Bush because of his lack of involvement...now they want Obama to return to Bush policies?? I think Friedman and the rest of them are just missing Papa Bush...and what was that of sending Clinton to the Senate?? Anybody can understand THAT??
52 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Wednesday Nov 11, 2009
Southernight. Change you can believe in.
53 | lydia, Wednesday Nov 11, 2009
49 feldman, just helping you with your English comes naturally to me ( in just one post ) 1.NO such word as "unconfrontable",2."ädmittin" a letter is missing. 3."MuhammEd Ali" wasn't the famous boxer, MuhammAd Ali was. Lmao at you admitting to yet another non de plume. The only sick World is yours where you think you can peddle ad infinitum your deluded bs ie "World according to the jews'. All this effort to avoid facing the reality that Israel is a rouge entity in violation of more UN resolutions than Saddam ever was.That Israel slaughters defenseless Palestinians and caged animals.
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54 | lydia's english classes, Thursday Nov 12, 2009
#53 Amazing lydia a closet arab/muslim whore "helping" with the english language,"coming" to an
"unatural" arab freak like her "naturally" Her arab brothers are slaughtering their own with the blessing of her Alla, and all she can think of is giving english lessons to a Jew.
55 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Thursday Nov 12, 2009
#53. There's only about a billion or two peoplle who would disagree with your statement that Muhammed Ali was not a famous boxer. He was only deemed tha most famous person on the planet in the 1970's and he was only chosen to light the Olympic torch at Atlanta, he was only given the Congressional Medal of Freedom, and he was only voted Sportsman of the Century in 1999. So you can do your lmao routine all day long in your padded cell. I'm not sure you know the difference between Afro-American (my one time nom de plume for Tom, not you), and Muhammed Ali, arguably the greatest boxer in history. Please see my send off to you on another blog.
56 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Thursday Nov 12, 2009
#53 CONT. If I recall correctly the blogger you are referring to called himself "Mohammed Ali" not Munammed Ali. I thought that odd. It is a mistake no boxing fan would make.
57 | Zookeeper from Lt. Killer, Thursday Nov 12, 2009
for once, Tom's not guilty. The Lietenant is a Pseudonym, but not for Tom. It was meant as an appropriate reply to Tom and Lydia. I was using satire to send up the idiocies of our 2 favorite anti-Semites. Reread post 43 in that light, and I hope you and everyone else can get a good laugh. Sorry if I was to obscure to make the satire clear. PLEASE NEVER mix me up with TOM!!!
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