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Tuesday Dec 02, 2008
Rosner's Domain: Haas & Indyk: US should give Israel a nuclear guarantee and an enhanced antiballistic missile defense capabilityPosted by SHMUEL ROSNER
Comments: 23 A new paper on US strategy in the Middle East (it is really one chapter from a more comprehensive book - read the JP news report about it here) is now available on the Saban Center's web site. Its authors, Martin Indyk of Saban, and Richard Haas, President of the Council on Foreign Relations, advise President-elect Obama to focus his attention first and foremost on Iran, but a "second emphasis should be on promoting peace agreements between Israel and its Arab neighbors, in particular Syria, which is currently allied with Iran and its Hezbollah and Hamas". This means that in the "Syria first or Palestinians first" debate I wrote about last week, Indyk and Haas tend to join the Syrian camp (Indyk played a similar role in the Nineties, supporting a Syria-first agenda for the Israeli government). If you do not have the time, you can read the executive summery. But the full paper (26 pages) has so much more, from which I will quote here a couple of paragraphs: On the options if negotiations with Iran (the authors support engagement with no preconditions and the bolstering of sanctions): Preventive military action, by either the United States or Israel, in the event that this diplomatic initiative fails, appears unattractive given its risks and costs. However, the option should be examined closely, both for what it could accomplish and given the dangers of living with a near or actual Iranian nuclear weapons capability. Because of Israel's vulnerability to an Iranian nuclear first strike, its fuse will necessarily be shorter than America's. And negotiations - as well as stepped-up sanctions - will inevitably take time to work. To increase Israel's tolerance for a more drawn-out diplomatic engagement, the next president should bolster Israel's deterrent capabilities by providing a nuclear guarantee and an enhanced antiballistic missile defense capability. On the way to make Russia more cooperative on Iran: While he cannot trade away treaty commitments to eastern European states, nor sacrifice the independence of Georgia or Ukraine, the next president does have a number of incentive cards he can play to secure increased Russian buyin on Iran: Russian accession to the World Trade Organization; ballistic missile defense installations in Europe (the need for which diminishes if an Iranian nuclear threat is neutralized through U.S.-Russian cooperation); and a number of financially lucrative arrangements for Moscow, from a Russian nuclear-fuel bank to Russian involvement in an international nuclear-fuel-enrichment consortium. The president can also adjust the pace of any Georgian and Ukrainian integration with NATO. On conditions for no precondition talks: Rather than making suspension of Iran's enrichment program a precondition for formal negotiations, suspension should be converted into a condition for progress in the negotiations. If Iran is willing to suspend enrichment, the UN should be willing to suspend sanctions that were invoked to achieve that purpose; if Iran is not willing to suspend enrichment, UN and multilateral sanctions should be ratcheted up in agreement with America's partners. On the reason for which the Syria track is tempting for Israel: In the past Israelis sought to trade territories for peace, but that bargain was fraught because they doubted the depth of Syrias commitment to normalizing relations. Today, facing a serious threat from Iran, Israelis are more interested in the trade of the Golan Heights for what would be tantamount to Syria's strategic realignment. If President Asad proves willing to make that shift, it would deal a body blow to Iran's interference on Israel's northern and southern borders, providing a strategic dividend to replace the devalued peace dividend Israelis used to hope for. On the way for the US to deal with Hamas in Gaza: The next president should encourage that process but leave it to Egypt, Israel, and the Palestinian Authority to handle the relationship with Hamas. If the cease-fire between Israel and Hamas continues to hold, and a PA-Hamas reconciliation emerges from it, the next president should deal with the joint Palestinian leadership as well as authorize lowlevel contact with Hamas in Gaza. In the meantime, progress in the negotiating process will create its own dynamic in which Hamas will feel pressured by Gazans not to miss the peace train. Things President Obama needs to do on the Israeli-Palestinian front: he should also prepare the ground for the deployment of international forces (preferably Arab and Muslim) as part of a peace agreement to partner with the Palestinian forces until they can police their territory on their own. He will need to reach an understanding with the new Israeli prime minister to freeze all settlement activity for a limited period (say, six to twelve months) while the borders of the Palestinian state are finalized. Questions for which I did not find satisfactory answers in this detaild paper: 1. What if Iran keeps refusing to freeze enrichment activities? Tehran has refused to do it when it was offered by the Bush administration in return for negotiation. Now Haas and Indyk are willing to start the talking and only later demand a freeze. Maybe it will work, but what if it doesn't? The authors admit that if negotiations fail they arent yet sure what should be done. Those among us more prone to think that it will, indeed, fail, cant be satisfied by a proposal which stops short of pondering the options for the day after. 2. What if Syria wants to keep its relations with Iran as close as they are now? Will this mean an end to the Syrian track Haas and Indyk would try to pursue? 3. Why should Israel agree to the possible deployment of any force - be it Arab or international or European - in the West Bank when the international force in Lebanon fails to do the things it was supposed to do? 4. What if Hamas doesn't feel "pressured by Gazans"? What if it doesn't care about such pressure? 5. I've already asked this question: "Is the U.S. ready to abandon the idea of a free Lebanon?" The authors say that an Israeli-Syrian agreement will "improve prospects for stability in Lebanon". I think "stability" is a code word principally saying that yes the US is willing to abandon the idea of free and independent Lebanon. But I'd still like to hear a more detailed answer.
1 | Michael Greenberg,Ottawa,Canada, Tuesday Dec 02, 2008
You think a nuke guarantee will stop the nuts in Teheran from launching a nuke strike on Israel? IF the U.S. nukes them back what does it matter to them?Millions of Jews are killed ,Israel is no more
AND Allah will reward them (at least the men) who sacrificed their lives for the cause by getting contractually nuked by the USA in the aftermath ---with 72 vigins each in paradise....--their own womenand children who die from the nuking by the USA,what does it matter,they are nothing exept martyrs for the cause even if they get nothing (the wortthless females anyway) from Alllah in paradise .
2 | Aryeh Beit Shemesh, Israel, Tuesday Dec 02, 2008
Wishful thinking. On Iran they only propose to repeat the the failures of the Europeans. It sounds like a great idea to give Iran the ability to stall for the next 3 years until they have their weapons. What kind of prarllel sanctions do they have in mind that could be effective in the near term while negotiations procede?
3 | Aryeh Beit Shemesh, Israel, Tuesday Dec 02, 2008
On the Palestinians, Palestinian unity is obviously necessary for peace, but it also could lead in other directions with Hamas on the inside. Further, the Palestinians have been so totally indoctrinated against Israel I can't imagine a unity of PA/Hamas that could favor a "peace" acceptable to Israel. Hamas would have to be so totally defeated as to be faced with join the PA on its terms or disappear before it would cooperate. How could this be acheived?
4 | tom new york, Tuesday Dec 02, 2008
This is silly chatter by weaklings. They make their money "making" peace at any price. Each government has a duty to preserve itself. In America, large segments realistically belong to Mexican citizens. Obama likes this and will give them dual citizenship. The Golan is strategic to Israel's defense. These eggheads don't grasp that Syria, HezbAllah and Iran and Hamas have one non-negotiable goal. Lebanon, sadly, is no longer a free nation. It is a Islamic state with Christian serfs. Russia has its strategic alliances with Islam against the West,while the West becomes morally weak.
5 | Ed israel, Wednesday Dec 03, 2008
What's a nuclear guarantee. That Israel gets nuked first and then when wiped out it gets guarantee or what?
6 | Amnon, Jerusalem, state of Lemmings, Wednesday Dec 03, 2008
All of Baker's and Missy NotTooBright's Self-Hating "Jewboys" are coming out of the woodwork for Chimpie.
First it was Ross, Kurtzer and Miller. Now its Indyk and Haass.
I'm sure the two Jimmies are laughing themselves sick. Chimp's got the Jooz to do themselves in.
Thanks 78 percent. When Soros and these guys finger you, remember to be nice when they shove you aboard the cattle cars and trains. After all, its only a nice summer camp with showers for you.
7 | Carolyn,USA, Wednesday Dec 03, 2008
Either these Jews want to lead the destruction of Israel and the deaths of Six Million more Jews and in the name of the US, or they are incorrigiblely ignorant, and so corrupt and power hungry they will do anything to maintain what they think the others in the International Community want for their own status.
8 | debra, usa, Wednesday Dec 03, 2008
these recommendations follow along with the policy that was announced when hillary was introduced by obama as his choice for secretary of state. this policy is called, "soft power." not only is it an oxymoron, it will not work at all against the islamic fascists in iran. how naive and how clueless is the usa going to be using soft power in trying to defeat terrorists. it boggles the mind.
9 | Kevin Ingram- Kingston Jamaica, Wednesday Dec 03, 2008
Once again the appeasement policy of the west is highlighted, i am quite sure Saudi Arabia Oil money is behind this somehow. This is a simple case of the these spineless men doing the math one coutry with 7million people versus 300 million Arabs and 1 billion Muslims. They as mentioned by someone before are either very stupid or extremely self serving. The Mulsim doctrine from day one have been one of no compromise because they expect everyone else to and it works most times. Hamas, Hisbullah and other teerrorist group know that you only need to be resilient and the west will eventually grovel
10 | Shalom Freedman, Wednesday Dec 03, 2008
I just want to agree with the first poster, Michael Greenberg. A nuclear guarantee will not deter Iran. Iran can act in many different ways, including through surrogates. This is playing in virtual reality.
Iran will not be stopped by any of the promises and sweeteners provided by the United States. All these will do will give it more time to develop what it is definitely developing in defiance of the IAEA, the United States, the Western world.
11 | Ronald, Wednesday Dec 03, 2008
Indyk and Haas think in conjectures and hypotheticals. In other words, the use will not, and absolutely can not guarantee Israel protection against Iranian aggression. Benazir Bhutto was strongly supported by the US in her campaign for the leadership of Pakistan. Rice could not have wanted to protect her more - right up until the day of the funeral. The problem is that Islamic terrorists are not going to read the Haas and Indyk article, so they will not be deterred by US guarantees.
12 | Proudest Zionist, New York, Wednesday Dec 03, 2008
Rosner, I will respond to each of your five questions in a separate comments.
13 | David J Feiger Oakland Park, Fl, Wednesday Dec 03, 2008
Irrational thinking. If G=D forbid Iran were to nuke Tel Aviv not only would Israel suffer detestation but, Lebanon, Syria, The Territories and Jordan. If Iran leaves Jerusalem uninhabitable and it's Holy Places destroyed what would Allah Do? Is this Jihad or self destruction?. In the aftermath would Iran or any major Arab capitol still exist? This must be made clear to the Iranians. MAD establishes stability only if the players are rational. In the late 50"s Khrushchev and Eisenhower were military men who stood up for civilian control. Can Iran act rationally.Jew and Arab are at risk if no.
14 | Proudest Zionist, New York, Wednesday Dec 03, 2008
Question 1: Rosner, you are well aware that war with Iran is totally off the table and has been for a very long time. Were talks to collapse, what's needed is honest admission that a nuclear Iran, while very, very unpleasant, simply does not represent an true existential threat to Israel. The alternative (as Indyk and Hass might be read to imply) will be pressure for Israel to forgo its own nuclear arsenal -- clearly a much graver strategic risk for Israel. (Misguided war-mongering by Israel supposed friends only increases this risk!)
15 | american, Wednesday Dec 03, 2008
Digging deep for something positive, I see is that Shites are more likely to adapt their teachings to the 21st century than the Sunnis. Iran has also much to loose if it were to strike directly-unlike the area around Afghanistan. There is security knowing your enemy and Bush's no negotiation policy means we can't keep closer tabs either. Governments you can negotiate. Terrorist groups you can't. Of course other strategies are being discussed in case of failure. But, there are positive points in a strong government like Iran as opposed to a weak fragmented one like Pakistan.
16 | Proudest Zionist, New York, Wednesday Dec 03, 2008
Question 2: Naturally, Syria First, as always, goes hand-in-hand with Palestinians Second: i.e., if Assad talks die, expeditied Abbas talks immediately follow. All of this is besides the point, of course. The real plan is Palestinians First this time.
17 | Proudest Zionist, New York, Wednesday Dec 03, 2008
Question 3: Apples to oranges here, Rosner, and you know it. Post-Lebanon war force is not a relevant parallel (much better but also imperfect parallels: for Barak and Sharon to have handed over South Lebanon and Gaza, respectively, to NATO rather than to have unilaterally departed and thus effectively handing to Hizbullah and Hamas, respectively). Bottom line: an international force is far preferable for Israel than either a transfer to the PA before it really wants to have it, or a unilateral withdrawal. The biggest danger of all to Israel is the status quo you keep clinging to.
18 | Proudest Zionist, New York, Wednesday Dec 03, 2008
Question 4: Again, as I'm sure you noticed Indyk is playing good cop for an AIPAC/ZOA audience here. If Hamas doesn't feel said pressure, the clear hidden message is a US demand for direct talks with Hamas.
19 | Proudest Zionist, New York, Wednesday Dec 03, 2008
Question 5: Your pretending to care about Lebanese nationalism is pretty ridiculous at this point, Rosner. As throughout its history, no one who pretends to speak for Lebanon has ever given a damn about Lebanon. I don't care, and you certainly don't care (except of course and as always to whatever extent it can act to slow progress with Syria or otherwise have an anti-peace result). So please spare us the Cedar Revolution fight songs -- we are all adults here.
20 | DAVID KAPLAN, Wednesday Dec 03, 2008
Israel itself has a second-strike force and, therefore, no need for a guarantee. Furthermore, neither will provide a deterrent to Iran. One can hardly claim any credibility whatsoever if one does not take them (Iran) at their word to wipe Israel off the map. No sane person would risk their own lives under such a threat. Only someone else's. Any volunteers?
21 | Yaakov Zelig-Israel, Wednesday Dec 03, 2008
The nucleur guarantee has a stiff price. The surrender of Judea and Samaria, for a start. I thought the reason we have an Israel is to provide our own protection. Otherwise, we are no different than Middle Age Jew's depending on the Prince or Archbishop for our protection. The American government is using "court Jew's", to make us surrender our G-D given land.
22 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Thursday Dec 04, 2008
This is just appeasement covered by a lot of BS rhetoric based on unsupported assumptions. So, we should wait & then the US will retaliate for us? Is this a joke? And we're supposed to believe this? It's just an argument to push us into dangerous concessions for Syria & the Palestinians based on nothing. Only a total fool would fall for this con-game. These guys are like used car salesmen, they are playing us for suckers. They'd say anything to advance their agenda. The sold us a bill of goods at Oslo & look how well that turned out.
23 | Gary, San Diego, USA, Thursday Jan 08, 2009
I am appalled at the first 22 comments: Criticisms, but no alternatives, except the status quo ("Hot Peace")! Rosner's Q#2 is key. If Syria changes sides, Iran is defanged in Lebanon and Palestine. Syria is unstable as an Alawite ("Shiite") regime in a Sunni-majority land (the reverse of Saddam's Iraq) so pragmatically only wants to maintain control (i.e., not ideologues like Iran). Offer Syria generous terms to switch. If they don't accept, follow up with a Godfather's "Offer that they can't refuse" (i.e., CIA-fomented Syrian Army coup or neighbor's invasion).
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