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Wednesday Jul 08, 2009
Rosner's Domain: Does Obama understand Israeli politics?Posted by SHMUEL ROSNER
Comments: 107      Follow Rosner's Domain on Twitter!!! Last week, an American official told me that I was way over the line when I wrote that the Obama administration "was not mistaken, it was lying without even blinking". My point was: I do not believe the administration when it comes to "not knowing" about Israel's understandings with President Bush on settlements. Ignoring previous understandings, claiming that the new administration has no obligation to keep these understandings alive, believing that the understandings were unhelpful - this is all acceptable. But saying that the Obama team isn't familiar with the understandings - is, well, hard to believe. Nevertheless, last weekend I was somewhat apologetic when it comes to the use of the word "lie". It was a lawyerly way of getting rid of the understandings, I said. I still do not like it, I still find it problematic, but I don't want the use of harsh language to become the focus of my argument. Of course, this didn't prevent me from smiling as I was reading my friend Aluf's article this morning: Bottom line: We have to assume one of two things. 1. The Obama administration doesn't understand Israeli politics, and doesn't recognize that its public policies - while possibly helpful with the Arab world - can hardly make Israelis feel secure and ready to cooperate with the President, no matter how often he says that his commitment to Israel's security is unshakable. 2. The Obama administration doesn't care about Israeli politics and Israeli public opinion, and is ready to sacrifice the good will of Israelis in exchange for (presumed) better relations with the Arab world. In either case - as I've demonstrated a couple of days ago - the administration should take into account that it doesn't have any track record with which to calm Israelis. It's true that the Israeli public wasn't happy with PM Netanyahu's tendency to quarrel with the Clinton administration in the mid 1990's. But this was a different situation: by the time Netanyahu was elected, Clinton was already a "great friend", and most Israeli recognized that his intentions (even when they didn't like some of his actions) were good. Another difference: In the Nineties a significant number of Israelis still believed that peace with Palestinians was possible. They could see why some American pressure might be helpful in the long run. For Obama, life with Israelis is more complicated. He started pushing immediately, without gaining the confidence of Israelis first. And he is pushing even though it is clear to the vast majority of Israelis that freezing the settlements will not bring about peace or security. That's why one doesn't see many Israelis supporting Obama's attempt to freeze the settlements. That's why no major political party in Israel can afford to be identified with the Obama way. It will be politically damaging. Does this need fixing? Maybe yes, maybe not. Depends on ones answer to the question of "doesn't understand" and "doesn't care".
1 | GOLDEN NUGGET Australia, Wednesday Jul 08, 2009
LETS FACE IT..it matters not a fart...America under their Muslim HussienO has rendered the US to be percieved as weak ..cowardly.. disoriented ..and therefore a "has been" force undeserving of being taken seriousely... Ergo..why should Israel trust or take seriously HussienO or any of his pathetic team ...SAD but TRUE...move on Israel....
2 | GOLDEN NUGGET Australia, Wednesday Jul 08, 2009
LETS FACE IT..it matters not a fart...America under their Muslim HussienO has rendered the US to be percieved as weak ..cowardly.. disoriented ..and therefore a "has been" force undeserving of being taken seriousely... Ergo..why should Israel trust or take seriously HussienO or any of his pathetic team ...SAD but TRUE...move on Israel....
3 | Tom, US, Wednesday Jul 08, 2009
After 8 years of a moron in office who always placed Israel's interests before America's interests it is a pleasure to have a president who actually worries about what's good for America. Israel created many problems for themselves and it isn't America's trouble any longer. I agree, move on Israel and keep right on moving because we don't need your interference in American politics any more.
4 | Bob, USA via Argentina, Wednesday Jul 08, 2009
BHO doesn't care and doesn't want to understand. I think many Americans are incapable of caring or understanding anything outside of their own self nterests.. America is a fundamentally anti-semetic society. This is but one of its many social diseases. Americans, in general, can't accept the fact that people from other parts of the world don't want to be like them, and don't want to become infected by their Brand of so-called Democracy. The American spin on life is dizzying. Albeit, self-righteous as Americans may be, who else is going to step up? The world is currently in a State of Nature.
5 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Wednesday Jul 08, 2009
Look what Obama did in Moscow. He gave up superior U.S. missle defense for a joint reduction in redundant nuclear warheads..What's the difference between 3,000 warheads and 1,600 warheads? He got no concessions viz a viz Iran from Russia. Medvdev and Putin must be laughing their heads off. Obama is desperate to look like he's making deals. He knows the Arab countries won't bend over for him, so he tries to pressure Israel. And his references to the Holocast etc. in his Cairo speech,show he has no historical knowledge of the region. He's simply in over his head.
6 | Giora Me'ir, Wednesday Jul 08, 2009
He can't win. If he attempted to communicate with the Israeli public, thereby going over the heads of their elected officials, he'd be accused of meddling. If he doesn't he's accused of being insensitive and hostile.
7 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Wednesday Jul 08, 2009
Giora. When he addressed the Muslims, no one accused him of going over the heads of the Arab states. He chose to tell Israel what to do by directly addressing the Arabs from Cairo. If he would have made a speech about what the Palestinians had to do in Tel Aviv, he would have been villified by about a billion Muslims. He could have won, but he took the low road. If his defense he doesn't know any better.
8 | Joe Johnson, USA, Thursday Jul 09, 2009
Mike-- You obviously haven't been paying very close attention. His Cairo speech was not about telling Israel what to do--in fact it wasn't about Israel at all--but about speaking directly to the Muslim Street. It's about time America treated Israel with some tough love. Just because you don't agree with some of his actions doesn't mean that they are wrong. It might be hard for you to believe--but perhaps you don't know as much as he does.
fyi--you all do know that his chief of staff is Jewish, right? One of the most powerful voices in the White House.
9 | andy-london, Thursday Jul 09, 2009
#8 at least bush kept america safe from the suicide brigade unlike this so called nerd in the white house whose only goal is to demean america by his cringing apologetic behaviour.He's now in russia and goodness only knows what concessions he's given away. The crazies in the middle east will probably now attack america as they'll not fear any reprisals from this !ST class wimp and his loonies in power.Unlike the chinese who shot down these MUSLIM rioters who caused havoc,the wimp would probably exonerate them.
10 | x, nyc, Thursday Jul 09, 2009
Welcome to how the rest of the world felt about America's politics before this administration, while Israelis alone felt understood.
I agree with you that they need to better communicate & make bridges with their positions, but unlike the past, these people actually think about the philosophy of ALL sides, whereas the last administration only saw one point of view and said F off to the rest.
I hope this frustration can help people of all sides understand how important it is for EVERYONE to feel understood and for frustrations & philosophies to be responded to if it is for the good of all.
11 | Matt Campbell, Pennsylvania, Thursday Jul 09, 2009
Freezing settlements is something that has to be done because the settlements are an ongoing crime. Israel won't admit that they're annexing the land (because they won't give the Palestinians on it citizenship) but won't stop taking it anyway. Will stopping committing a crime get Israel peace? No, not on its own. But when you're committing a crime, you don't get to ask 'what's in it for me' when someone asks you to stop.
12 | GOLDEN NUGGET, Thursday Jul 09, 2009
TOM..YES! YES! YES!..I AGREE..Israel should absolutely MOVE ON to the WHOLE of JUDEA and SAMERIA..and fast !! I'ts very noble of you to PIMP for your weak and cowardly Muslim ('President?)
HussienO. Your "has been" failed Idol is making a jolly good job of what's "GOOD" for America with
his formula of kissing Muslim world asses..Now THATS really "GOOD" for America as it makes a laughing stock of America..Great ENTERTANMENT and commentry for all those Muslims gathered in their coffee shops smoking their hookas and nibbling fallafel. BETTER admonish HussienO for HIS
INTERFERENCEwith ISRAEL!!
13 | GOLDEN NUGGET, Thursday Jul 09, 2009
TOM..YES! YES! YES!..I AGREE..Israel should absolutely MOVE ON to the WHOLE of JUDEA and SAMERIA..and fast !! I'ts very noble of you to PIMP for your weak and cowardly Muslim ('President?)
HussienO. Your "has been" failed Idol is making a jolly good job of what's "GOOD" for America with
his formula of kissing Muslim world asses..Now THATS really "GOOD" for America as it makes a laughing stock of America..Great ENTERTANMENT and commentry for all those Muslims gathered in their coffee shops smoking their hookas and nibbling fallafel. BETTER admonish HussienO for HIS
INTERFERENCEwith ISRAEL!!
14 | Steve, USA, Thursday Jul 09, 2009
To Bob: America is anti-semitic? Who has supported Isreal time and time again, even sacrificing its wn self interest in the process? Who marched through France - sacrificing millions of lives - to liberate the camps?
To Mike/Canada: BHO did no such thing. The missile defense policy is under review, and was never on the table during negotiations.
Its funny - BHO has been underestimated since 2006, and has yet to find failure. As Kissinger said, he is playing chess, while - it seems - this string is judging him on checkers. Give him time.
15 | Steve, USA, Thursday Jul 09, 2009
To Bob: America is anti-semitic? Who has supported Isreal time and time again, even sacrificing its wn self interest in the process? Who marched through France - sacrificing millions of lives - to liberate the camps?
To Mike/Canada: BHO did no such thing. The missile defense policy is under review, and was never on the table during negotiations.
Its funny - BHO has been underestimated since 2006, and has yet to find failure. As Kissinger said, he is playing chess, while - it seems - this string is judging him on checkers. Give him time.
16 | seth New York City, Thursday Jul 09, 2009
He is President of the US not Israel. Israeli nationalist politics are a direct threat to American national security and the President is acting on behalf of the American people. I think we all know that with his high IQ and close Aides like Rahm Emmanueal and Axelrod, Obama likely understands Israeli politics better than you do. He just doesnt care if he upsets folks who want to build settlements and deny peace. At least 75% of American Jews support Obama's position on Israeli. We think you are all nuts with this settlement stuff.
17 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Thursday Jul 09, 2009
Who cares if Obama understands Israeli politics? The vast majority of Israelis understand that Obama is not our friend. You seem more concerned about how Obama can BS us to accept more concessions than about the true nature of his policies. Why do you worry that Obama can't manipulate our public opinion to further an agenda against our interests? Obama is a fraud & con man & perhaps worse. His popularity is sinking in America day by day as Americans get ''buyers remorse''. The phoney peace process leading to some kind of ''solution'' is as big a fraud as Obama.
18 | Reuven Ben-Daniel, Israel, Thursday Jul 09, 2009
Steve USA. You must be kidding, The USA marched through Germany, because Germany DECLARED war on the USA.The commanders of the USA army knew nothing of the death camps, until they came across them. But Great Britain DECLARED war on Germany, whilst the American unemployed got jobs after 20 years, selling armaments to Britain,forcing her to sell all her overseas investments at rock bottom prices to pay for them.After woulds Lend lease was introduced to keep the USA labour force employed.
19 | LaGrande USA, Thursday Jul 09, 2009
Please remember the "liberal mindset" when addressing statements made by a liberal president. They genuinely believe that you must do what is best for all parties involved. If that is not an option as with "the settlements" then you must do what is best for the more "oppressed" party of the ageement. Since "perception" places the Palestinians on the side of the "oppressed" then any agreement about continued settlement construction must be "ignored" for the better good of mankind! Welcome to liberal thinking. Watch the comments to this if you post it.
20 | Bob, USA via Argentina, Thursday Jul 09, 2009
Yes Steve, and racist too. OK, I'll just speak for myself. I don't deny that fundamentally I am anti-semetic and a racist. I don't like that about myself, but the ideas that come with these attitudes have been learned from my family, friends and the community I grew up in (which consisted of those heroes you mention). Most of my life I didn't even realize this about myself. It's a social disease. Ignorance is a brick wall and denial is its mortar. I want to know what other people in the world think and why. I want to find some common ground; otherwise, well, you know the rest of the story....
21 | Shel Zahav in Jerusalem, Thursday Jul 09, 2009
I think we have to assume a third thing: Obama is a political naif who has no experience in foreign affairs and does not have much interest either. He has already completely misread North Korea and Iran and Honduras. He has been made a fool of repeatedly by other country leaders. Israel is not the exception. The Middle East is merely another region where the current President of the United States shows his incompetence and naivete.
22 | Adina Kutnicki, Israel, Thursday Jul 09, 2009
I prefer to cut to the chase. The Obama gov't is hostile to the core when it comes to Israel's interests. It is not only that they may be trying to walk a fine line between the Arab world and Israeli interests. They are overtly, arrogantly and overwhelmingly hostile. It is under this parameter which their policies must be judged.
A word here, a word there, none of that matters.What matters is that he has in place so MANY Israel haters on his staff that we have no room for trust.
Stupid is as stupid does.
23 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Thursday Jul 09, 2009
Seth. Good old Pax Americana. Before you consider your security, think about whats best for the U.S. And don't worry about a thing, because our President is so smart that if he doesn't know what he doing he will figure it out before he does too mujch harm. And he just doesn't have time for all these settlement folks.
joe Johnson i have been paying very close attention. Obama was talking directly to the Muslim street ABOUT what Israel must do. It was not only my observation it has been the subject of several columns. Emmaneul's Jewish? Wow. Who'd known that?
24 | Daniel-Atlanta, Thursday Jul 09, 2009
Does anyone in Israel understand Israeli politics? If so, why can't they get it to work? The nation is dysfunctional for all practical purposes.
25 | David, Thursday Jul 09, 2009
Policy between countries is not based on understandings, it is based on official records and written accords or agreements.
What you fail to understand is that the US has something to prove to the Arab world not Israel.
Israel has enjoyed biased US support especially during the last 8 years, Obama must show and prove to the Arab world his position is more of a natural broker that Israel guardian, without achiving this no intiative has any chance getting of the ground.
26 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Thursday Jul 09, 2009
Seth. I almost forgot. Obama got Jewish support because he bullshitted them, just as he did about most everything else. Some day soon, instead of "In God We Trust", the American dollar will say:
"Made in China".
27 | Beth in Virginia, Thursday Jul 09, 2009
Why do we give Israel 100s of millions of dollars every year? We are brook, and all we get is grief from Israel! Why do we support a "secret" nuclear power there? Why won't Israel comply with UN resolutions? Why the double standard? The good folks working for peace in Israel are constantly voted down in favor of the Likud. As an American tax payer I don't get it.
28 | Chad3337, Thursday Jul 09, 2009
The President's shocking lack of disregard for the incessant violence perpetrated by the Palestenians and his apparent hostility to the United States' only reliable ally in the region, and the only one who remotely comports with our national values and beliefs, will take a toll, both politically and in terms of the world's perception of him as a leader.
Further, his silly and naive rush to bully Israel, without engaging in a series of confidence building measures as past administrations have done highlight the extent to which the President is proving to be inept in foreign policy.
29 | Dee Florida, Thursday Jul 09, 2009
In black America we have a saying, to call a spade a spade. You were right Obama ihas lied
over and over on who he is, what religion he is, what his position is in Israel and the USA.
I warned you back during the elections, he is not a friend to Israel nor the USA nor a worshiper
of the G-d of Israel. Unfortunatly, we have ignorant Americans who don't realize that G-d is
real and well deal with America according to how we treat Israel, the apple of his eye. A letter
I received from him ends with his desire to change the foundation of the USA -that being one of Godly principles. wow
30 | Dee Florida, Thursday Jul 09, 2009
In black America we have a saying, to call a spade a spade. You were right Obama ihas lied
over and over on who he is, what religion he is, what his position is in Israel and the USA.
I warned you back during the elections, he is not a friend to Israel nor the USA nor a worshiper
of the G-d of Israel. Unfortunatly, we have ignorant Americans who don't realize that G-d is
real and well deal with America according to how we treat Israel, the apple of his eye. A letter
I received from him ends with his desire to change the foundation of the USA -that being one of Godly principles. wow
31 | Terry - Eilat, Israel, Thursday Jul 09, 2009
#24 Daniel in Atlanta. Yours is the most intelligent post I have seen on this forum for quite some time. Indeed, our political system is very, very dysfunctional - in my opinion, it has reached a dead-end.
32 | matteo d'agostino,italy, Thursday Jul 09, 2009
yes, sir. israel should move on, and away, and out because israelis are arrogant,big headed, and refuse to recognise other peoples' rights and always believe that things must go the way they decide.
who would want a neighbour like that, mr rosner, mr horovitz? i certainly not.
33 | Mike Feldman,Canada, Thursday Jul 09, 2009
Matteo. Your description of Israelis sound like a lot of Italians I know,
34 | David USA, Thursday Jul 09, 2009
".....The Obama administration doesn't understand Israeli politics,...." Maybe the Obama administration doesn't understand Israeli politics - but it understands Israeli pilpul and recognizes it when it sees it - unlike the simple-minded Bush, besotted by the wily Sharon !
35 | Bebe K USA, Thursday Jul 09, 2009
First of all,the USA is not an anti-Semetic nation.Not even close.Are their Anti-Semites in the USA?..Sure there are.They belong to that same group of sick Jew haters all over this globe.And that brings me to Israel. What do people want from this Be-leagured small nation on 62 years old and not a day ebver passed when some piece of crap didnt try to harass or kill an Israeli. And even so..life isn Israel still vibrates with life, business, religion, and sipping tea in Tel a Viv and Jerusalem. Can u imagine life in the USA if from Mexico and Canada was trying to kill us here in the USA! cont.
36 | Abm Habib Plano, TX, Thursday Jul 09, 2009
Who needs peace more? Obama or Israelis? If the status quo continues, there will be a one secular state for all people and my understanding is, that is exactly what Isarelis are worried about.
37 | Adam Habib Plano, TX, Thursday Jul 09, 2009
Did I mention that it is refreshing to see so many Likud supporters bashing Obama. In my mind, first time, US President put US interest first. Well done Obama and we will support you again like we did with 363 ELECTORAL VOTES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
38 | Bebe K USA, Thursday Jul 09, 2009
continued ... Oh Yeah! We were asttacked on 9/11. Forgive me. And what did we do..we went 4000 miles away to fight these anti-"Americanites"! So Israel has these terrorist bastards right on their border and even further i.e.Iran. What the hell does the world want form Israel...well they got 6 million reasons to fight back hard even when those cowards of Europe and the UN says Israel is the bad boy..they fight back too hard..Israel should use firecrackers and cap pistols against their enemy. " NEVER AGAIN.. I repeat NEVER AGAIN! "Hear oh Israel" "Hiroshima" if u have to!!
39 | Hofikoman, Thursday Jul 09, 2009
Obviously Obama DOESN"T CARE about Israeli politics, but only about his gravity shift toward the Arab and Muslim world which is the fulcrum for his global policy. If it wasn't for Iran where global support is desireable, Bibi would already be leading the right from the front. His politics of "never again" are not KACH's. Obama has clearly linked the confrontation with Iran with other objectives and will seek to exact a price from Israel for ending his attempted thaw with the Mullahs. The 3 month settlement freeze "compromise" clearly tests the water of Sunni-Israeli negotiations before 2010.
40 | Bebe K USA, Thursday Jul 09, 2009
Matteo...I love Italy and the Italians, but it took 1500 years before you cursed Romans learned how to behave yourself and be decent people. Except maybe for Hitler, the ancient Romans were the worst murderers and slaughterers of the world. You even killed (crucified) Jesus ..that nice Jewish boy. Then Constantine after killing Christians accepted their religion...from murderers to Christ lovers. It made you Italians much better people..warriors no more. By the way, Matteo we Jews gave you ex pagans a Jesus for a Xmas present..how about at least a "thank you" Jews!
41 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Thursday Jul 09, 2009
Adam Habib. My best guess is that around this time in 2013 a Republican president will be telling Americans it will take a long time to clean up the mess that Obama made. and that he will see what he can do about getting the peace initiative in the Middle East back on track.
42 | Claudia, Tampa FL, USA, Thursday Jul 09, 2009
Well, I certainly thank you Bebe for that "nice Jewish boy" Jesus. In fact I agree with a lot you say.
It is somewhat chilling to read someone called Habib in Texas hoping like hell that his Obama will stop supporting Israel. It is obvious to all that O also despises America and her founding fathers as he's trying very hard to weaken this country in every way possible and transform America into a socialist haven, contrary for our Constitution. No doubt he will soon find that only works until you run out of other peoples money and soon he will be tossed out on his dumbo ear.
43 | Ken Brown, USA, Thursday Jul 09, 2009
Please accept our apologies for Obama. He goes around the world apologizing for the US being the number one helper to GOD's chosen people, Israel. Obama also apologizes for the US being the number one protector and enabler of democracy and freedom.
A few simple facts one must accept to understand this man called Obama. He is a extreme left wing radical that is striving as hard and fast as possible to convert the US into the USSR of America.
Obama doesn't care to understand Israeli politics because he will not defend or protect GOD's people. Obama desires to undo the US, NOW.
44 | iyke,England, Thursday Jul 09, 2009
If someone like #3,tom from US is happy with obama's policies towards Israel,then it shows that something is seriously wrong with obama's Israel policy.If anti-semites and israel haters are pleased with him,then Israeli's must know that they don't have a friend in Washington.
45 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Thursday Jul 09, 2009
#19 LaGrande. Brilliant post. Obama and his cronies think that government control is the answer for all that ails the American people. If a company fails, they'll fix. Why let the private sector provide health care when the government can do it better. If there is a recession let the government spend you out of it with your money. So it is abunantly clear that Obama applies the same criteria to "fixing" 'the situation in the Middle East. The best way to level the playing field is to try to weaken Israel.. Maybe tell the Knesset how to govern, how to make peace the Obama way. Its not gonna sell in Israel
46 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Thursday Jul 09, 2009
#15 Steve U.S.A. Obama is a failure in progress. Remember that George W. Bush had an 80% approval rating in 2001 and a 28% approval rating in 2008. Obama's chickens will come home to roost a lot faster than you can imagine.
47 | Nevada_len, Thursday Jul 09, 2009
Please, all of you defenders of Israel as I am, do not let the likes of "Tom" the Arab propagandist and David, the professional Propagandist and the few others who constantly appear in these blogs spewing the same feces day after day on every Jewish Newspaper and Blog. They must spend all the hours of the day tracking all of these publications pushing buttons that get the response they hope for. They are irrelevant as to what will happen to Israel. As of now Israel's future is in the hands of BiBi. Prey that he acts as a tough leader looking iout for Israels interest .
48 | TrailBlazer Norway, Thursday Jul 09, 2009
Limitations - part 1; this talkback should be on US; some of the contributors here seem pretty straightforward - both in terms of self-revelation and own limitations; like this Beth #27; for people like her(him?) and Mr. Obama it seems better just to chatter away with what other people use to say. Too many questions and too simple answers. Obama repeats the words and deeds of former Jimmy who keeps wandering pointlessly around. Everyone with scant interest in how Obama climbed to power should read about his accomplishments in that respect. Then come back on these pages and lecture us..
49 | R.F. Jackson American Air Force Squadron commander, Thursday Jul 09, 2009
the vast bulk of Americans are for Obama. He is at least having the courage to say NO to the poweful Jewish lobby. He is putting American interests first above the Interests of international Jewish circles.
Obama is answerable to the American people who elected him, he has no responsibility to enable Jews to create an huge empire in the Middle East extending from the Nile to the Euphrates.
If the Jews want to extermiante six million Christians and Muslims in Palestine, that is their business. But America will have nothing to do with that. In short, No more American blood for Israel.
50 | American college professor, Ohio, US, Thursday Jul 09, 2009
Most Jews voted for Obama, it is either they were stupid or they voted for the right man.
Jews must rid themselves of the habit that all American presidents must support Jewish territorial expansion in the Middle East.
In fact, Obama is only reverting to longstanding US policy before Bush (Bush was a kind of anomaly). All US administraitons had objected to the settlement policy....Bush (sr), Reagain, Carter, Ford, Nixon...etc.
In short, Obama will not be a puppet of Judeo-Nazi settler Kahana camp. American interests must come first.
51 | TrailBlazer, Norway, Thursday Jul 09, 2009
limitations - part II; the best thing Mr. Obama could do for the time is to pursue a non-interventionist agenda on own behalf - and on his country's behalf; that has been tried out before; for the first for him to increase insight into personal limitations and secondly the huge challenges confronting his people - the US. Next the nation should undergo an intense self-scrutiny of how it is possible with an elect. system that allows such irregularities so as to bring a man like Mr. Obama to power. The real problem is the liberality of the West as a whole - a liberality without substance;
52 | TrailBlazer, Norway, Thursday Jul 09, 2009
limitations - part II; the best thing Mr. Obama could do for the time is to pursue a non-interventionist agenda on own behalf - and on his country's behalf; that has been tried out before; for the first for him to increase insight into personal limitations and secondly the huge challenges confronting his people - the US. Next the nation should undergo an intense self-scrutiny of how it is possible with an elect. system that allows such irregularities so as to bring a man like Mr. Obama to power. The real problem is the liberality of the West as a whole - a liberality without substance;
53 | American patriot, Thursday Jul 09, 2009
Bebe K USA, the terrorists of 9/11 killed 2000 Americans, but the Jewish lobby in America got us involved and bogged down in a huge war that killed and maimed tens of thousands of America...and cost our economcy trillions of dollars.
In short, AIPAC and the neocons destroyed the American economy, they desstroy America. And now these rober barons are trying to get us involved in a fresh war against a distant country that attacked no other country...namely Iran.
In short, we must not allow Israel to dictate our policy...no more American blood for Jewish settlements. Stop it.
54 | Amnon, the Great AMERICAN Southwest, Thursday Jul 09, 2009
Beth at 27,
Get this, little girl.
Your friend Obama and the Sillary just gave Hamas 900 mil of YOUR - and mine - and other U.S. citizens money when he told GM to go screw itself. Do you care to express some outrage about our tax dollars going to help terrorists. Or are you, just like "American" citizen, patriot, or damn liar, which is really the case, just another garden variety anti-Semite?
You are probably one of those who spews, and won't return because to do so would mean you have to deal with facts.
55 | American, Thursday Jul 09, 2009
Obama is speaking to Israels who have finally realized the settlers and those elected to represent them are just in it for themselves.
56 | Bob L USA, Thursday Jul 09, 2009
57 | Bob L USA, Thursday Jul 09, 2009
Israel must watch Obama, he doesn't Israel or the US.
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