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Rosner's Domain: David Plotz on reading the Bible for the first time

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David Plotz' highly entertaining new book - Good Book - is about "The Bizarre, Hilarious, Disturbing, Marvelous, and Inspiring Things I Learned When I Read Every Single Word of the Bible". Plotz is the editor of Slate and the book is based on "Blogging the Bible," a series he did for magazine. Before becoming Slate's editor in 2008, Plotz worked as a staff writer, political columnist, media columnist, and as the Washington editor for the magazine (more bio here).  

In a Newsweek article, Lisa Miller praised the book, writing this:

Amusing, sometimes laugh-out-loud funny, "The Good Book" succeeds because its tone straddles the line between irreverent and awestruck. Plotz is a naif wandering in a strange land full of eccentric people and incomprehensible rules. From Samson and Delilah, he takes away these lessons: "1. Women are deceptive and heartless." And "2. Men are too stupid and sex-crazed to realize this." The story of Abraham and Isaac brings him - as it does everybody with a beating heart - to his knees: "As a father, I find this nearly impossible to read. Abraham does not try to distance himself from Isaac, to separate himself from the child he must kill. Isaac remains 'my son,' 'my son'."

I agree with her assessment, and after reading the book, I sent David a couple of questions:

1. My first question is kind of insulting: how can an educated young (Jewish) man grow up without being familiar with the story of Shechem and Dinah. Is such ignorance common among your friends and relatives?

Ha! You're so Israeli to start like that. To answer the second part of the question first: Such ignorance is not merely common, it is practically universal. If you polled my friends, I would bet that less than 10 percent know the story of Dinah. How did I avoid it? I am a reform Jew, which means I didn't spend a lot of time with the Torah as a child. In religious school, we studied the moral lessons of Judaism, which have practically nothing to do with the stories told in the Bible. And when I went to a Christian high school and read a little bit of the Bible there, Dinah is also a story that never came up, because it does not have a nice moral. Religion as it is taught to casual Christians and Jews in america focuses on moral behavior, which means ignoring a lot of the Bible and teaching only its clearest stories.

2. Your assumption - backed by data - at the end of the book is that "biblical illiteracy is nearly universal among nonreligious people". But aren't most Americans religious? And if they are, why do they still need a shortened version of it?

Most Americans are religious, but most Americans are not Biblically literate. Of the major religious groups in the U.S., only evangelical protestants (and orthodox Jews, who are tiny) closely study the Bible. The other denominations do not focus on the Bible, instead picking and choosing convenient stories. And in my demographic--educated coastal elites--non religiosity is quite common.

3. Here's a very serious question: how significant to your reading was the fact that you're Jewish? Did and how this changed your way of reading - and interpreting - it?

It was hugely significant, by far the most important fact in my reading. Christians have the New Testament, which softens and explains and cleans up a lot of the messiness of the Hebrew Bible. Jews don't have Jesus to fall back on. The result, I think, is our amazing tradition of argument. We have a holy book that is full of immoral heroes and an erratic, vindictive God. How do we grapple with that? My Bible reading, though deeply ignorant and naïve, is very much in that Jewish tradition of addressing the holy book by arguing with it, rather than simply accepting it, sheep-like. Also, being Jewish allowed me to be more joking about it. I was not comfortable in blogging the New Testament because it might have been insulting for me to crack jokes about Jesus, a savior I don't believe in. Similarly, I'm not sure a Christian would have been comfortable writing about the Israelites and the God of the Hebrew Bible.

4. You're an editor (and writer) with a political mind. You wrote a lot about politics, you thought a lot about politics. Did you find the Good Book politically relevant?

Yes, in a couple of ways. The Bible is the book that guides tens of millions of my fellow Americans. They make their decisions about gay marriage, economic policy, education, abortion, etc based on the words in the book. If I want to be able to understand them, and to engage with them, I need to know what they believe. Also, the Bible has many episodes analogous to Biblical events. It's much easier to understand Bill Clinton having read about King David.

5. Did bible-reading change the way you see Israel?

Taking a Biblical trip to Israel did change the way I see Israel. For example, I went to Beit Guvrin park and stood on top of the hill while an archeologist pointed to the line of forts built by Rehoboam and others to protect Biblical Judea from the coastal tribes, and that was the first time I realized that, Oh, modern Israel actually occupies the land that was held by Israel's ENEMIES during Biblical times, and the West Bank--now held by Israel's enemies--was the land that was Biblical Israel. I knew this intellectually of course, but I never felt it viscerally till I saw that line of forts.

And it gave me a much greater appreciation for the richness of Israel's history. I usually spend time in Israel with my Tel Aviv in-laws, all Yemenite and Adenite, deeply secular, and not much interested in Israel's ancient history. So until I read the Bible and took the Biblical trip, I never much appreciated Masada or Qumran or  the City of David. Also, and I am rambling here, seeing Qumran was phenomonally moving--to see this place occupied by a totally freaky cult that at the same time helped our civilization survive, by preserving the book. As a writer and a Jew, that moved me deeply. Oh, and one more thing, visiting Israel on the Bible tour made me realize just how little evidence there is for the Bible, and how most of what is remembered from the Bible has no basis in archeology or history. That was odd.

6. One can't resist this temptation:

Your favorite story:

Ruth or Genesis 18, when Abraham argues with God about the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah.

Your favorite biblical hero:

One is Gideon, the most skeptical and scientific of Bible heroes. He's always questioning God and demanding proof. We named our newborn son after him.

The most problematic story to deal with:

The conquest of Canaan in Joshua. Genocide, ordered by God, carried out all too gleefully by us.

7. Will your children read it all - how will you - will you - make them do it?

I don't know. I have been struggling with that question. Our own religious practice has fallen off recently, in part because reading the Bible has made me uncertain about God, so I haven't been forcing the Bible on them. Maybe I should.

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1  |  Terry - Eilat, Israel, Wednesday Feb 25, 2009
To say the least, a very superficial & glib account showing no understanding of historical context. I suppose this is typical of how modern secular people view ancient history - basically seeing it out of context & thus totally misunderstanding what they read. The Torah was not written yesterday, it is a complex compilation from many sources over a period of several centuries, edited from many oral traditions, some material going back several thousand years - the Torah was already ''ancient'' two thousand years ago.
2  |  DJStahl, USA, Wednesday Feb 25, 2009
Congratulations on becoming a Karaite. Seriously, sounds like a positive step. The next step is looking up the term "Karaite." Jacobs did something similar, with "Year of Living Biblically." Plotz errs in saying Qumran "helped our civilization survive." They were forgotten till 1947. Re archeology, quite a lot is supported, even per minimalists like Finkelstein: the reality of kings like Solomon and Omri, for example. Hard to prove or disprove Abraham, or Exodus. The old Hertz Pentateuch was aimed at people like Plotz. The controversial Matis Weinberg also useful, if you can find his books.
3  |  DJStahl, USA, Wednesday Feb 25, 2009
There's quite a lot in Assyrian, Babylonian archeology to support the Bible. Steles, cuneiform records, etc. Egyptian archeologists mostly see the Exodus as having happened. A handful of ultra-minimalists, mostly w/out credentials, mostly in Europe, get more play outside the field than within it. Finkelstein is about the most extreme w/in the field. Anson Ramey better represents mainstream professional views. Perhaps for Plotz's next read. Or perhaps S.R. Hirsch's interpretation of the Bible.
4  |  Barry Meislin, Tel Aviv, Wednesday Feb 25, 2009
Gosh, I never knew that the Israelite conquest of Canaan was "carried out all so gleefully by us." What a fascinating insight! Still, if Plotz says so.... (I guess you had to be there....)
5  |  Mike, Canada, Wednesday Feb 25, 2009
I think he is probably looking at the present and juxtaposing from it, Barry. The settlers tend to appear as rather happy people with few moral qualms about what they do. And they are people from the present with supossedly higher moral values, equality and all that in a democratic and modern state!
6  |  michael f., Wednesday Feb 25, 2009
What? we should give you a medal for your ignorance?
7  |  Oscar Reyes El Paso , Texas, Wednesday Feb 25, 2009
As to the Bible being a form of historical reference. It should not be taken likely as to the coming days to what we are about to endure,read the Bible it is the truth. May God always be with you all...
8  |  Jack Shattuck, Claymont, DE, Wednesday Feb 25, 2009
Why is it always a surprise to Israelis that Jews in the diaspora have minimal knowlege of the Bible, which is after all Israel's history book? Especially since the greatest percentage of American Jews are Reform, which picks and choses Biblical accounts for inspiration, rather than primary textbooks of our past and guidance as to daily life, all the more so halachah. There is so much that's a missing series of chapters in our education, like Talmud or history (e.g., Ben Gurion's THE JEWS IN THEIR LAND). Just as there is a void among Israelis of Jewish dispora history, and denominations.
9  |  Peggy, Mission Viejo,California, Wednesday Feb 25, 2009
Celebrating ignorance in this age of stupidity. I can't help but agree with michael f's comment.This secular viewpoint reigns even though it is shallow and foolish, and as we see here, grossly uninformed by truth. Still we celebrate anytime one of the chattering class picks up the Bible in some attempt to understand it. Unfortunately, the result is mocking derision and prideful denunciation of the Giver of the Word. We can pray that David Plotz will seek out those who consider the study of the Bible vital to both intellectual and spiritual formation. I suggest he call Dennis Prager at KRLA..
10  |  Debby Utrecht, Wednesday Feb 25, 2009
You must know how to read and understand what is written in the Bible. It warns us about the present time and gives us a vision of the futere. The book of Daniel, Isaiah, Ezequiel, Obadia, Joel, are a few examples.
11  |  Billy in northern Michigan, Wednesday Feb 25, 2009
"It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in man. It is better to trust in the LORD than to put confidence in princes." Tehilim (Psalm) 118:8-9
12  |  Michael Greenberg, Wednesday Feb 25, 2009
Here is the puzzle: Archaelogy has not proven THE CONQUEST...hence maybe the "genocide" of Canaan by the Children Of Israel is a fiction...IF so the EXODUS is a fiction--and the entire 5 Books of Moses and Joshua is a fiction..IF SO-then Moses is a fiction--if so then JESUS was delusional too -AND so is the KORAN ....so the entire OPUS of Judaism,Christianity and Islam rests on the assertion the Israelites (Jewish ancestors) were the 1st great practiononers oF genocide -BUT since the science doesn't support that (Hazor was mass destroyed ,but nothing else) you gotta question.
13  |  Michael Greenberg, Wednesday Feb 25, 2009
Next Plotz should read THE KORAN (in a good translation)...He'd be shocked at what it says about how the UMMA should treat Jews and Allah's anger with the Jews who are hypocrites about following their holy scripture and who rejected his prophets and about chritians who got it all wrong on the message Jesus revealed to them,turning him into god...Of course "Believers" in the Koran's revelation have got the real truth,the final perfected true message of God--you bettcha! EXCEPT that the KORAN slanders the angel Gabriel (I'll explainin another post inthis thread).
14  |  Leor in NYC, Thursday Feb 26, 2009
I read some of Plotz's blog while he was still doing it. I started late, but happened to be there in time for his reading of Esther. (The blog for Esther can be found at http://www.slate.com/id/2165455/ , while the table of contents for the Blog can be found at http://www.slate.com/id/2150150/ ) What I noticed was that in Plotz's reading, Haman isn't hanged - Achashverosh has him impaled. I e-mailed Plotz about the discrepancy, which he was unaware of until being deluged with e-mails by reader like me. His bible translated the verb as impaled, so that was the correct translation.
15  |  Michael Greenberg, Thursday Feb 26, 2009
I promised to explain why the Koran slanders the angel Gabriel who allegedly revealed it to him over 22 years .the slander is that the Koran must be a lie because Muslims can never exterminate the Jews from Jewish land at THE END TIME --because Gabriel told Daniel (book of Daniel) that at the END TIME,after a (self-proclaimed?) "messiah" FAILS to save them (the Jews) and many die,THEN SAR HAGDOL MICHAEL (not a messiah)stands up for his people and saves them ... if Gabriel lied to Daniel you can't trust Gabriel and Koran is false too;but if Daniel got the Truth (earlier) then KORAN is false.
16  |  S. Minanel California, Thursday Feb 26, 2009
Stan Tenen and the Meru Foundation would be of tremendous interest to a search for understanding the Bible...also the book Tanya.
17  |  Shel Zahav in Jerusalem, Thursday Feb 26, 2009
What I like is how opinionated leftist jews are on the Torah when almost none of them have read it. They know everything it says, but they don't know anything it says. They learned from movies and other sources for delusional ideas that leftists often have about how the world works.
18  |  DJStahl, USA, Thursday Feb 26, 2009
Anson _Rainey_. He recently put out a new edition of Avi-Yonah's Biblical atlas. Worth looking at. Fairly thorough grounding of the Bible in archeological and historical sources. Mr. Plotz mentions "educated coastal elites." Shouldn't he say "soi-disant elites"?
19  |  Lon Miller USA, Thursday Feb 26, 2009
20  |  Mark - Southern Africa, Thursday Feb 26, 2009
Before Abraham was, "I am". He return is imminent and he is seeking to "strongly support" those who put their trust in him. Sh'ma Yisrael Yeshua is the only one who will save you. Open your eyes and See!
21  |  Lon Miller USA, Thursday Feb 26, 2009
The author's position regarding the Old and New Testiments is quite valid. A thoughtful Christian would not take exception to the Old Testiment being 'blogged' as opposed to tounge in cheek comment on the contents of most of the New testiment. To a great extent a practicing Christian learns from childhood that the Old Testiment is not to be followed as a life guide. Except when a good moral story is being highlighted as a lesson in morality. If Christanity held the Old testiment on level with the New Testiment, and followed its teachings, the world would be a far different place.
22  |  Tim, Thursday Feb 26, 2009
Blog all you like. Your opinions shall not matter when the time comes. History has been recorded and prophecies are being played out. Whatever you think of Scripture matter little because what is written will come to pass. The Talmud and Catholic Catechism are irrelevant because it is in error of Scripture, and modern evangelicals miss the meaning of the Sacrifice of Yahweh's Anointed and fail to realise His return as King of Kings means that all the world's governments will be overthrown and democracy, communism, Islam, Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism and every other religion will disappear.
23  |  Laya Witty, Toronto, Canada, Thursday Feb 26, 2009
One of the greatest moments in Israeli life is the annual International Bible Contest, on Israel Independence Day. High School kids from all over the world compete to show how well they know the Jewish Bible. More exceptional than their knowledge, is how much they love it. Catch the broadcast live in israel, or on the Internet from where ever you are. You will be amazed.
24  |  Don,USA, Thursday Feb 26, 2009
The disobedience of Israel, the diaspora, the persecution, the desolation of the land during the diaspora, the gathering, the restoration of the land after the gathering, becoming a nation, and the hatred being portrayed now. Events all foretold in the bible proving it to be true. To the unbeliever it's just a big coincidence, to the Christian it's truth and confidence that the rest will happen just as predicted. Even the hope of Israel spoken of in Romans 11:25-27
25  |  jerry otto -USA, Thursday Feb 26, 2009
It is to bad you can not see the christ of the bible. By the way Tim ,christianity will not disappear when Jesus returns like the rest on your list will. He that hath the SON hath life!
26  |  jerry otto -USA, Thursday Feb 26, 2009
It is to bad you can not see the christ of the bible. By the way Tim ,christianity will not disappear when Jesus returns like the rest on your list will. He that hath the SON hath life!
27  |  jerry otto -USA, Thursday Feb 26, 2009
It is to bad you can not see the christ of the bible. By the way Tim ,christianity will not disappear when Jesus returns like the rest on your list will. He that hath the SON hath life!
28  |  Tova - Toronto Canada, Thursday Feb 26, 2009
The Bible is the lessons of Life. It is the reality that GOD. The convent was given to Abraham. Evil is real and GOD gave us instructions to destroy that Evil and HE will protect Israel. We have chosen politics over GOD. We have chosen Religion over GOD. The Prophets are not Religious - they are messengers of GOD. The Rabbincial Council does not follow GOD, they follow their laws and mislead the population. Jesus was fortold in the Gensis and All the Prophets including King David spoke of Jesus. Read Revealations - GOD has revealed unto Israel her ruin & GOD will create a New Jersualem.
29  |  Duncan Lennox, Thursday Feb 26, 2009
To: #12 Michael Greenberg, You made a good start with "Here is the puzzle: Archaelogy has not proven THE CONQUEST.....the EXODUS is a fiction--and the entire 5 Books of Moses and Joshua is a fiction" Even Israeli archaeologists now agree that there was no Exodus and that the ancient Israelites were native Canaanites. eg. Some of the towns Joshua leveled did not exist nor is there evidence of a new/different/changed society/infrastructure circa his "era". Ergo no covenant and no promised land just fairy stories. The Iliad is a much more cohesive set of myths as it had only 1 author
30  |  Lacey, Texas, Thursday Feb 26, 2009
I just love how commentors like Shel Zahav assume that liberal Jews haven't read the Torah. I'm a Reform Jew, and have read every word of Torah, the entire Tanakh in fact, and am trying to study the Talmud. We only get into trouble when we make broad statements about huge groups of people. I'm as shocked as any Orthodox Jew that Plotz didn't know about Dinah. Was he asleep when The Red Tent came out? It was such a hugely popular book!
31  |  David Zohar, Jerusalem, Thursday Feb 26, 2009
The Bible (Old Testament) is the earliest text of Jewish civilization. Modern Israelis speak a variety of Hebrew that is no more distant from the language of the prophets than modern English is from the tongue of Shakespeare. Jews abroad can read the Bible via translation but inevitably something is lost. Modern Israeli scholars study Biblical texts in the light of archaeology and indeed there are many discrepancies, providing food for yet more scholarship .Every nation needs a founding myth- so Biblical accuracy comes second to inspiration. Scripture helps, but cannot be exclusive.
32  |  Michael , Houston, Thursday Feb 26, 2009
It amazes me how many people who CLAIM to be educated, or some who actually are, continue to support totally false ideas that were clearly designed by the vatican thousands of years ago ... There IS NO "J" in the Hebrew Language, and there are no Vowels ... The GEEZUSS thing is a pure vatican misdirection, and the YES SHOO WAH bastardization is a symptom of truly ignorant people, regardless of however sincere they might be ... they are sincerely ignorant ... If one is going to speak with Ha'Shem, one ought to at least have the reverence to call Him by HIs Proper Name, which He told to us,
33  |  muslim, Thursday Feb 26, 2009
Michael Greenburg-15-NOWHERE IN THE KORAN TREES AND ROCK ARE SAID TO BE ONE DAY INVITING MUSLIMS TO MASSACRE JEWS...BY THE WAY GOD IS TOO HUNGRY IN AFRICA AND THROUGH OUT THE WORLD TO EVEN THINK ABOUT ARROGANT AND RICH JEWS-CHRISTIANS AND MUSLIMS.
34  |  Dean Arnold Helena, Montana USA, Friday Feb 27, 2009
Explain how a drunk and a coke addict with no respect for authority, who never read the bible in his life,he was 22 years old, at the time . 6th grade drop out. was told by a person to ask Jesus into my heart. So I layed on my face and asked the God of all, the one who made me who made every thing on the face of the earth. to forgive me. Jesus help me.My life has peace and meaning today with revence for God allmighty. who loves me. I am 48 years old, I say try starting there and see if the bible makes more sense to you then. He is real . He will show Himself to you.
35  |  Belinda Harding Phoenix, AZ, Friday Feb 27, 2009
We all understand the Bible is "His-story".The facts were recorded, pretty or not.King David's life is an"open book" but the Psalms show his repentent heart and God's response "to a broken and contrite heart." If David had made excuses for his sins,it would have showed that he was not truly sorry,but David did acknowledge and said,"I have sinned against the Lord".Many,many times the scriptures show what a complete softie God is to a truly repentent heart.Look at the book of Jonah.God knows only He is Holy.Only by accepting His righteousness can we find the same favor that King David recieved.
36  |  Benjamin, Philadelphia, USA, Friday Feb 27, 2009
Michael: > Actually, there probably was "J"s "W"s and "Th" in ancient Hebrew; much of it is still preserved by Yemenite Jews and the Samaritans.
37  |  Jay, Friday Feb 27, 2009
its great that any jew read the Torah - all people should - as long as they understand that the torah is a written form of complex code - there are hundreds of interpretations and layers of meaning - if you read the english (or hebrew) without the commentary - you are reading one particular basic level story - without the real beauty that comes from 3300+ years of transmission from father to son, from teacher to student from giant sage to simple man
38  |  Prof. Jerry, Dallas TX USA, Friday Feb 27, 2009
IMost Christians are misinformed,! The New Testiment is not a replacement to Torah--it is commentary . All the NT writers went to synagogue & feast days, all professed to be fully Jews. The rabbii Paul's biggest issue was: what are we going to do about all these Greeks who want to come to synagogue? Church didn't exist, until, in Rome, orthodox Jews join gentiles who literally went underground to escape the perssecution that was directed at Jews and the gentiles who refused to treat the state as g-d. Christians need to learn that their book is Jewish--see the grafted vine analogy!
39  |  Myra Estelle New York, Friday Feb 27, 2009
David's answer to the last question concerned me. Forcing the bible (or anything for that matter) on to your children doesn't help them to develop their awareness. Deepen your own awareness and you'll know what to share with them. The Torah's teachings invite us to find our own inner peace. See the chapter on "Oneness" in "Awakening Love: A Spiritual Quest Into Judaism".
40  |  Duncan Lennox Canada, Friday Feb 27, 2009
To: 35 | Belinda Harding Phoenix, Re King David. The authors ,editors and re-editors of the myths of David wrote most of their stuff 500+ yrs after he died. The scholars say that most of it was written by those who claimed descendency and were justifying their positions. The great United Monarchy was mostly myth. eg. Jerusalem was a minor town of no more than 5000 people even as late as 600 BC. As to the man who broke at least 3 of the 10 commandments ; didn`t kill Goliath or write the Psalms his greatness is mostly propaganda. The Iliad has a more cohesive set of myths than the Tanakh.
41  |  Lloyd Powell, Texas, Saturday Feb 28, 2009
i am glad you read the bible but it looks like you red it with much contempt in your heart. read it looking for something positime. according to the old and new testament. God has given Isreal thair homeland back and it will never be taken away again. Dont give up any land, dont listen to yomoma obama. Fight, Fight and dont give an inch. the end is near the anti-christ will soon reveal himself to the world in the united states. God bless the nation of ISRAEL.
42  |  Skylark, Saturday Feb 28, 2009
The Bible is a historicallly accurate document. Genesis 10:10-12:4 Accadian empire was 120 yrs. followed by the Gutium 91 yrs. followed by Utu-Khegal 7 yrs. Followed by Ur III 108 yr. dynasty = 326 years from mankind leaving Babel to Abraham's 75th yr. 326 in the history of nations. Genesis 11:16-12:4. Peleg 0 yr. Reu 30th yr. of civilization. Serug 62. Nahor 92. Terah 121. Terah lives 121-326 yrs. in the history of nations. Abraham was born in UR III!
43  |  Chris USA, Saturday Feb 28, 2009
Prof. Jerry, Dallas TX USA, you incorrect in calling the gospels commentary. You are correct about the "jewishness" of the New Testament. The gospels are no more commentary than Judaism is Israel's Covenant Worship of Yahweh. Judaism is Judah's Covenant Worship of Yahweh, based on the 2nd law - established by Moses with out theophany or blessing - just curses uttered by the tribes. You seem to lack an understanding of Covenant - the bible is composed of 6 covenants that unify it's thematic progression with in the context of 12 historical books that compose it's narrative form.
44  |  am olam, Monday Mar 02, 2009
In the dying days of the Warsaw Ghetto, Rab Abraham ( in Marek Halter's The Book of Abraham) recalls The Book, "We have the weapon of words...Remember Balaam: he was supposed to curse the people of Israel and finally blessed them" [Numbers 22-25]. "The grass withers, the flower fades, but The Word of our G-D shall stand forever." Isaiah 40:8. May The L-RD bless you, and so you your children - - living amidst a famine for it in a growing global ghetto - in your quest for His historical narrative still unfolding.
45  |  Yacov Yosifovitch, NYC, onThe "Bible Of The Future" & Tikkun, Monday Mar 02, 2009
David PlotZ (from Slate) & Sam Harris (author of The End of Faith (2004), which won the 2005 PEN/Martha Albrand Award, and Letter to a Christian Nation...) et al via News-Weeks, "onfaith' & "postglobal" bloggs, hath become OUR good students. It is a "Prophetic-Coinsidence?" that Mr. Plotz mentions OUR Biblio Abrahamic "SARA-PROSTITUTION" story's & the Jacob "DiNAH MASS PUNISHMENT" Story et al, etc.. And is it not prophetic coinsidence that, Mr. Sam Harras mentions OUR the "SYMBOLIC CANIBALISM & the SYMBOLIC VAMPIRISM" storys too?
46  |  Brigitte Harless Dallas TX, Monday Mar 02, 2009
I attend a messianic synagogue and the old and new testament make sens together. And don't forget Yeshua (Jesus) was Jewish. He is part of the "trinity" but there is only ONE G-D (ERAD). Yeshua came in the flesh for all humanity because we are all sinners and we need a Savior. The prophets in the first part of the Bible were talking of Him, read Isaiah 53 for exemple. The first Christians were Jewish and in my synagogue we are Jews and gentles worshipping together our Jewish Savior.. It is beautiful, we read the Torah every Shabbat and we love Israel. Shalom, Brigitte Harless
47  |  Brigitte Harless Dallas TX, Monday Mar 02, 2009
Shalom, it's me again Brigitte:) I wanted to say that HaShem gave the land of Israel to the Jewish people and it should not be divided and certainely not Jerusalem. Fight to keep YOUR land, your enemys will take one hand and then your arm and then everything. Your friend and the friend of Israel, I love you all. Brigitte Harless (PS I'm French so excuse my misspelling)
48  |  Yakov Yosifovitch,NYC: Do-Not be in denial to self or others, Monday Mar 02, 2009
Explanation: Dear "Citizenz/Denizens on this Holyi blesseth Space-Ship Earth (of Many?) a Miracle move [never a Curse nor SIN?); please understand THAT, our word "O.U.R." means: the "O.ne U.niversal R.eligion" ; Via a Booklet: that will change-the-World forever; APOCALYPTICALLY, People-Wise, not Pre-Apocalyptically thinkg un-wise) hence A NEW-Philosophy (song) comming from All YE Old-Songs ; i.e., ABRAHAM: Basorah/Chumash, Masorah/Bible.., Quran/Koran, & VEDiC: Geeta/Sruti, Kangyur/Tripitaka..) which replaces ALL! So, Peace, Paz, Mir, Shalom, Salaam, Freidin, Ahimsa, Shantih, Zhingyu.
49  |  Brigitte Harless Dallas TX, Monday Mar 02, 2009
Shalom, Abraham trusted G-d and beleived that G-d was able to resurrect his only son Isaac.(Issac was the son of the promise) G-d wanted to test Abram faith but at the last minute an angel of the L-rd stopped Abram and provided the ram, the lamb. Abrham passed the test. It was a forshadow of G-d providing His only Son, the Lamb of G-d for the redemption of many, forall those who beleive (we are all sinners.) G-d change the name of Abram to Abraham. It's one of many connections between the first part of the Bible and the new part:) I love you all and I love Israel. Shalom, Brigitte.
50  |  Brigitte Harless Dallas TX, Monday Mar 02, 2009
Shalom, Abraham trusted G-d and beleived that G-d was able to resurrect his only son Isaac.(Issac was the son of the promise) G-d wanted to test Abram faith but at the last minute an angel of the L-rd stopped Abram and provided the ram, the lamb. Abrham passed the test. It was a forshadow of G-d providing His only Son, the Lamb of G-d for the redemption of many, forall those who beleive (we are all sinners.) G-d change the name of Abram to Abraham. It's one of many connections between the first part of the Bible and the new part:) I love you all and I love Israel. Shalom, Brigitte.
51  |  nate, Iraq, Wednesday Mar 04, 2009
good grief. for 50 posts from people who consider themselves people of faith, much doubt is evident. those who truly have faith do not need to attack others who speak contrary to what they believe. faith does not need to be proven--if you can prove a belief, you do not need faith. thomas could not accept the resurrection without seeing the holy wounds--his belief was not born of faith, but what he saw as proof. any so-called religeous people who must attack those they view as skeptics have a very fragile faith at best.
52  |  nate, Iraq, Wednesday Mar 04, 2009
i commend Plotz for reading scripture with fresh eyes in context and sharing HIS reactions. I was raised catholic, hearing individual passages from the old and new testament in isolation every week at mass. I attended a Jesuit university and for the first time read all four gospels in their entirety and was stunned by how different the experience was from my experience of the bible when I was growing up. I have not read the old testament like this, but i am now intrigued. any person of faith should rejoice at a skeptic reading the Word, and should not fear commentary they do not agree with
53  |  Deborah, Vancouver, Friday Mar 06, 2009
The 'Arch of Titus' built after 70 A.D. shows the great seven-branched Candlestick that was in the Temple. 'Sennacherib's Prism ': One may read the the Assyrian King's own views of the seige of Jerusalem,also known as Taylors Prism,'Inscribed 'as for Hezekiah the Jew who did bow in submission to my yoke I have shut him up in Jerusalem.Hezekiah kneels before him The Black Obelisk erected by Shalamneser,700..to 800 BCE,records Jehu son of Omri bowing before him.Archaelogical proof the account of Kings 1 and 2. These are some proofs of Bible authenticated by archaeology.
54  |  Scoobie USA, Monday Mar 09, 2009
Anyone who diligently seeks God is in danger of finding Him!
55  |  June/ Melbourne Australia, Tuesday Mar 10, 2009
To #12 - it seems you lack info on Science proving the Bible...please go to the website: http://www.creationministries.org --Investigate for yourself if the Bible is fiction....
56  |  Daniel in Texas, Tuesday Mar 10, 2009
Plotz should also check out Werver Keller's "The Bible As History"...clearly, there is MUCH support for the veracity of Hebrew scripture. Now that he's "read" it, he should "study" it, as it commands; I am confident he would find that G-d is not erratic nor vindicitive. And, if one understands that the Canaanites were burning their own children, that "genocide" becomes more understandable: we do not fully understand what the Canaanites were like: but their crimes against humanity were great. G-d is not unjust. We fail to understand Him.
57  |  Jan, Australia, Tuesday Mar 10, 2009
If people judge the Bible from the view point of modern secular 'morals', they are going to to feel it 'strange' and not like it. This article proves how far some are mentally from the Creator. Isaac Newton said he believed the God of the Bible, because just as the BIble says, some continuous active force keeps the planets in motion! Read Optics! Such a powerful intelligence who has power over life made the ear and eye can organise to have what He wants written! And so it says "thus saith the LORD" David Plotz must not have got to the prophets- There God is very consistent, not erratic at all
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