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Thursday Jul 02, 2009
Rosner's Domain: Is it better for the peace process that Israel trusts the American President?Posted by SHMUEL ROSNER
Comments: 67      Follow Rosner's Domain on Twitter!!! Not even the facts can help one determine how better to advance the peace process. A couple of days ago I was quoted in a JTA article, arguing that "The Israeli establishment will be much more forthcoming toward a friendly administration."Here's an article by the Leveretts, making the opposite argument: There will be many who claim that all this will only make Israel feel less secure and therefore less likely to take "risks for peace." But the proposition that Israel becomes relatively forthcoming in peace negotiations only when it feels assured of unquestioning U.S. support -- a pillar of the Clinton administration's ultimately failed approach that is unfortunately being resurrected under Obama -- is not supported by the historical record. After all, no Israeli prime minister could have felt more assured of unquestioning U.S. support than Ariel Sharon, whom George W. Bush notoriously hailed as a "man of peace" -- a description that, in retrospect, seems puzzling at best. They also say that: On the other hand, during the Nixon and Ford administrations, when U.S. policy clearly defined Israeli settlements as illegal, Henry Kissinger was able to broker the disengagement agreements between Israel and neighboring Arab states that laid the groundwork for future peacemaking. Building on that foundation, Jimmy Carter -- who was arguably more forthright than any U.S. president in calling Israeli settlements illegal -- produced the historic Camp David accords between Egypt and Israel, the most important Arab-Israeli peace treaty to date. And I say: that's all very nice but has no relevance. "Disengagement agreement" and Israeli-Egyptian peace accord had nothing to do with the defining Israeli settlements as illegal. Moreover, one can argue that with Nixon and Kissinger Israel did already feel secure enough.Remember: The two were involved in the brokering of a cease fire only after the 1973 war, when Israelis were watching them helping defend Israel (by the shipping of weaponry during the war). With Obama, the pressure comes with no previous confidence-building precess on which Israelis can rely. Comparing the two situations is tricky. Making policy recomendations based on such comparison is even more so. And with all due respect to Carter and to his truly important contribution to peace-making: it will be very hard to produce the evidence according to which "calling settlements illegal" played a significant role in Israeli-Egyptian negotiations. Carter succeeded not because he called settlements illegal. He succeeded because he had an able, willing and courageous Arab leader in Anwar Sadat. Does Obama have the equivalent Arab leader to work with? Can "pressure" on Israel provide for such leader? Last but not least. The Leveretts write that "no Israeli prime minister could have felt more assured of unquestioning U.S. support than Ariel Sharon". I agree: And that's why he's the only Israeli PM ever to willingly pullout of teritory, and the only one to evacuate settlements from Gaza and the West Bank (not one, but twenty five of them). Follow Rosner's Domain on Twitter!!!
1 | Nevada_len, Florida USA, Thursday Jul 02, 2009
It boils down to the fact that Israel can no longer trust any agreements reached with Obama since they refuse to honor any agreements made with Bush whether verbal or written and witnessed by a top Official, Elliot Abrams.
Netanyahu will play the game of platitudes without giving anything up unless provisions of the Bar ilon
speech are met. If he does capitulate in any way his Government will fall as Major support from Leiberman or Shas will likely defect. I trust a far more Right Government will then be elected.
2 | Ronald, Thursday Jul 02, 2009
Obama will not be able to advance the peace process. First of all, calling it a 'peace process' doesn't seem to fit the true situation. The war will continue-intermittently- because the Arabs want it continued. Second, pressuring Israel is then wrong strategy. Pretty much everyone has pressured Israel, but since 1948, pressure has failed. The path to real peace it to pressure the Arabs. Every nation must repeat as many years as it takes that terror in the pursuit of political goals (erasing Israel) is always unacceptable. This will weaken Arab terror. Eventually they will stop.
3 | muslim, Thursday Jul 02, 2009
Americans and Europeans must understand one thing...The Arab world is not yet mature for peace and co-existence with the Jewish state...the west can put Israelis on their knees but that won't bring peace...it will only get the Arabs nuked.The real problem of the middle east is not the settlers but Arab incapacity of building a modern state with a civil society and the rule of law...Take all the Israelis and offer them one year holiday in Hawaii or Tahiti-believe me the middle east will be as mad and bloodthirsty as before the Israeli got their holiday.
4 | former American diplomat, Washington, D.C., Thursday Jul 02, 2009
The Problem is more than just trust. Israel simply refuses to give up the spoils of the 1967 war, and the Palestinians are not disappearing, and are actually growing in number. And Iran is getting Nuclear weapons, and Egypt is also getting militarily stronger, and could have nukes in 10 years.
Also, the continuation of the conflict in the ME is destroying the american economy and seriously weakening America's stand in the world.
Indeed, resolving the conflict is an American strategic interest. Hence, the problem.
Now Israel has 2 choices, leave the territories, or confront the US.
5 | Cowboy, Houston, Texas, Thursday Jul 02, 2009
Frank, the Zionist. But unlike Israel we didn't kick out millions of the inhabitants of texas. And we gave them citizenship and all human, civil and political rights.
But in Israel you treat non-Jews like animals. You demolish their homes, you bulldoze their farms, and you murder them routinely. Your justice system is very much like the justice system of the KKK.
Do you know the story of captain R? He murdered a Palestinian school girl, and instead of punishing him for his crime, he was awarded thousands of dollars by the Israeli courts.
You are a shitty, hateful and criminal state.
6 | muslim, Thursday Jul 02, 2009
there is a treaty between Egypt and Israel but there is no peace...Israel gave the whole Sinai and Egypt only said thank you...but the Egyptian society is full of hatred toward the Israelis.before pressuring Israel the WEST must understand the behavior of the Arab regimes these last 15 years...whenever they were given a hand they asked for the arm...Even if the west pressure Israel to give its two arms and two legs...At the end the Arab dictators will ask for its head...even if the Israelis would have to use their tongue to push the button ...they will do it.
7 | Amnon, Thursday Jul 02, 2009
Obama, the moral coward of a chimp who knew how to sit and smile in a pew for 20 years listening to a Nazi of color, is someone whom the Israelis have every reason NOT to trust. Not only is he willing to demand and condemn Israel - and Honduras, American allies, but by remaining silent while the Nedas were being murdered has aided and abetted Islamic Fascism and Terrorism.
The sooner Americans get rid of this cowardly bastard, the better off we will be. Because if we don't, it just won't be Israel gone, it will be us too, courtesy of higher taxes, less energy, and more 9/11s.
8 | Amnon, the Great AMERICAN Southwest, Thursday Jul 02, 2009
P.S. BTW - the Settlements ARE NOT A PROBLEM, but Barry Hussein Sotero Obama and that lil' dumb hussy Hillary are.
The next time Obama tells Bibi that a Jewish family must not build a room for their children on their own land, Bibi's retort should be, "And when, Mr. Obama, will you, your family, Jeremiah Wright and others put on chains again and pick Cotton on the Plantation? Mr. Byrd, your friend of the White Sheet Mentality, is a-waiting your answer. So are the people of Israel. We give up our homes the day you go back to Slavery."
That'll shut the sorry excuse chimp up pretty fast.
9 | Kanne USA, Thursday Jul 02, 2009
It is always wise not to put all your eggs in one basket. The current president of the U.S. cannot be trusted. As a U.S. citizen, paying close attention to this guy, I (along with countless others) can plainly see he is a lying, power-grabbing lover of Islam. I regret that he doesn't love Israel. It would be to the detriment of the Israeli's to be advised by him. I believe God would not be pleased by the division of Jerusalem.
10 | Chaim - Israel, Friday Jul 03, 2009
It's infinitely better for Israel to abandon the dangerous, fraudulent "peace process" once and for all. Can anyone cite a single benefit Israel has ever enjoyed from it? It has been a heartbreaking disaster from the start. We never suffered a single homoicide bomber till Oslo. Our many concessions, retreats and gestures have brought us only suffering on an unimagineable scale. Our South Lebanon and Gaza retreats brought us tens of thousands of casualties and thousands of rockets. And they still keep coming. Peace can only come through resounding victory over the PA with no concessions.
11 | PZ, Friday Jul 03, 2009
The only thing Israeli leaders understand is U.S. pressure. Period.
We told you it was coming, Rosner. You'd best not act so surprised.
12 | Shel Zahav in Jerusalem, Friday Jul 03, 2009
What is the "peace process"? If it is a way to let politicians play games while they enrich themselves, it is serving its purpose. If it is indeed a process that is supposed to lead to peace, it is a dismal failure. With people or groups who deny your existence, there is no process but the elimination process.
13 | Heather Davidson, Friday Jul 03, 2009
Irael will only have peace when they stop asking for outside help and turn back to the true leader of Israel,our GOD and the LORD JESUS CHRIST,God has repeatedly held out his arms to all but they are truely a stiff necked people,turn back now to your creator and repent an you will have everlasting peace.GOD BLESS ISRAEL.
14 | GOLDEN NUGGET Australia, Friday Jul 03, 2009
YOU MEAN trust that Muslim HussienO EUNUCH ??...who continually disgraces and demonstrates his cowardice...to wit...N.Korea Gaza Hisbulla Hamas Iran Syria Saudi Arabia and in fact all his Muslim brothers States by betraying the ideals of genuine freedom and democracy by putting his tail between his legs and cowering in the traditional Muslim style !!...and sadly betraying the AMERICAN PEOPLE on whose face he is a pock mark...why would you TRUST such a miserable LOSER ??
15 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Friday Jul 03, 2009
If there is a "peace process' happening, then I wonder why had a a better feeling that a settlement would be reached 30 years ago when Carter was President, 15 years ago when Clinton was President and a few years ago when Condi Rice and Tony Blair announced their initiatives. To me the prospects arre worse than ever, particularly while Obama is President. His only accomplishment is to blame the last administration for all the problems he is not solving. His Presidency is nothing like he said it would be. I can't think of a world leader i trust less than Obama. All show-no go;
16 | Avi, Friday Jul 03, 2009
Heather Davidson, Take your god and shove it. We are Jews, we don't believe in your Jesus.
In fact, Muslims are closer to us in terms of religion. At least Muslims believe in one God, not a family of gods as christians do.
A Jews is allowed to pray at a Mosque, but never at a Church.
17 | Monotheist, Friday Jul 03, 2009
Heather Davidson, Heather, if you want to help Israel, you are welcomed. But stop talking about Jesus. Jews won't worship a god that dies on a cross...a god who can't even protect himself...a god who is no god..a god who is a false god.
18 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Friday Jul 03, 2009
Heather. You message is a tough sell on this blog. Converting Israel to Christianity is probably even beyond your reach. If all the Muslims accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior would they make nice with Israel?
19 | Ronald, Friday Jul 03, 2009
former American diplomat,
Your view helps confirm that the US is NOT a reliable ally of Israel. You advocate a US position of siding with Israel's enemies. It is very wrong and makes me question the quality of our diplomatic corps. The main point is: the 1967 war was in no way intended to gain 'spoils' from the Arabs (as you believe). It was forced on Israel as a matter of survival. If the 1967 Arab aggression occurred while Israel was within her borders, why would anyone expect returning to them would mollify Arabs this time? We already know that Israeli withdrawals DO NOT bring peace.
20 | Johnson, Friday Jul 03, 2009
Obama's friend and mentor for two decades was a virulent anti-Semite, Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who preached hatred of America, of whites, of Jews, and sought the destruction of Israel and Palestinian goals. Hamas supported Obama. Obama's indoctrination was his choice. Expect Obama's policies to impact Israel negatively. No one believed that Hitler's venom really relfected his views. Obama readily sat and agreed with Rev. Wright for whom he epressed love and esteem. You figure it out. Be on your guard and don't capitulate. Remember Obama's goal. Appeasement won't work.
21 | David usa, Friday Jul 03, 2009
No more proof is needed of what an ignorant moron Bush was and is, was his calling Sharon "a man of peace ". His stupidity was mindboggling - good riddance !
22 | David usa, Friday Jul 03, 2009
No more proof is needed of what an ignorant moron Bush was and is, was his calling Sharon "a man of peace ". His stupidity was mindboggling - good riddance !
23 | Margie Wisconsin, Friday Jul 03, 2009
There are ex muslims that have accepted Yashua as Lord and Savior and they are friends of Israel. Don't talk about our GOD because you will bow your knees to him one day. You will see Yashua is the one on the throne and He is returning as a warrior this time not a sacraficial Lamb to shed his Precious Blood for you. He said it is finished and it is. Belivers in Yashua are the best and probably the only friends Israel will have when it all comes to a head. Read the Book.
24 | ina-scotland, Friday Jul 03, 2009
#16 how dare you run down that christian girl#13 The christians love the jews and stand by Israel.I know it looks like she was proselyting but her heart's in the right place and she blesses Israel. Mike I was surprised at you! All the muslims I know who turned Christian have a great love for Israel and a lot of them have died through it.Regarding obama I dont believe he's got Israel's interest at heart and dont you think netanyahu doesn't know that? That's why i'm glad he's Israel's prime minister for such a time as this.
25 | Tom, US, Friday Jul 03, 2009
Don't break your pattern now. Better to stick with your usual paranoid schizophrenic profile. Never trust anybody. Not even yourselves.
26 | DB Northern USA, Friday Jul 03, 2009
Heather meant well, even if you don't agree with her. And not all Christians are trinitarian believers in a "family of gods". The ones who baptize in Jesus Name usually are monotheistic. As for the peace process, consider the movie "Remains of the Day". It is set in the 1930s in Great Britain and is centered around a house owned by a nobleman who was instrumental in the appeasement of Hitler which preceded World War 2. In that movie there is a scene in which an American diplomat stands up and says: The United States does not want war, but nor do we want peace at any price." I agree.
27 | Mose Kalev, Friday Jul 03, 2009
HEATHER & MIKE : With all respect this is not the place for you, unless you can learn to respect and value other religions. NEVER assume you can plagiarize a holy text, edit it and then possibly hope to make any sense of it. We respect your right to believe in such idolatry but spare us the insanity. We Jews and Muslims may disagree on many things but the reverence for the Almighty is not one of them.
Rabbi M. K.
28 | Steve, Friday Jul 03, 2009
Some Jews have accepted Jesus as their personal savior and Lord. They are known as Hebrew Christians. However, they are persecuted and shunned by the Israeli society.
The Hebrew christians try many tactics to impress Israeli Jews, like hating the Arabs and Islam too much, like calling for the destruction and murder of Muslims...but it seems that all these tactics, which by the way are unchristian, don't work.
29 | Muslim, Jerusalem, Friday Jul 03, 2009
I love Jesus Christ. I never mentioned his name without saying "May Peace be Upon Him. " Jesus is one of the greatest men who ever lived on earth.
May he be my neighbor on the Day of Judgement.
30 | Christian aid worker, Friday Jul 03, 2009
Chistian Zionists are a cancer on the conscience of Jesus Christ. Just listen to their ideolog.
Thety advocate the mass murder of Palestinians, including Christian Palestinians. They advocate total expuslion or enslavement of non-Jews in Israel. And they claim that the state of Israel and Jews in general are not capable of making mistakes.
These people are not real christians. they are psychotics, mentally-ill people.
Theirs is a religion of lies and distortion.
31 | David W. Lincoln, Edmonton, Alberta, Canada, Friday Jul 03, 2009
My answer to the question posed at the beginning: why should Obama be trusted?
Take a look at how the Oval Office, and minions elsewhere, is handling the Honduras situation. Coup is bad because an ally of Chavez is thrown out of office, just like Pinochet leading Chile after Allende was replaced, and Pinochet is outfitted with horns by those who prefer politicians subverting the electoral process.
For, it doesn't mean anything that Hitler subverted the electoral process in the eyes of the establishment of today, which was the counter culture movement of yesterday.
32 | Kanne, USA, Friday Jul 03, 2009
If Jews don't believe in Jesus, why then, are they awaiting the coming of the Messiah?
33 | Tom, US, Friday Jul 03, 2009
13 | Heather Davidson - I hope you get the message Heather. The jews HATE everything about God as well as Christians. Just as Jesus said in John 8:44. The sooner you kosher 'christians' get this straight the sooner there might actually be any form of peace in the world. I even had one jew tell me that God is a jew. Talk about anthropomorphism. I seriosly doubt that God would have ANYTHING to do with these genocidal spawn of satan himself.
34 | HT, USA, Friday Jul 03, 2009
Dont trust Obama to ever become a friend of Israel-- Israel will survive by building up its own military and its time to forget the US. The American jews who support him are like the ones who lined up to enter the cattle cars innocently. Obama does not speak for the American people. He speaks for a small group of antisemites who are trying to tell the rest of the world what to do.
35 | onething, Friday Jul 03, 2009
Avi and Monotheist - Heather and her ilk (and G-D ) are the only things standing between you and 200000000 Arabs, who have hated you since Abraham, and will try to destroy you until the end of time. It is telling to me that your hatred of Yeshua, the Greatest Jew, is so great that you'd rather pray in a Mosque than a christian church. This puts you in the other camp. Every day your Mullahs shout 'death to Israel.' Every day Pastors pray for Jews and the peace of Jerusalem. By the way Christians are Monotheists. We disagree on the nature of G-d. The Messiah was "cut off" as foretold by Isaiah.
36 | onething, Saturday Jul 04, 2009
Mike - to side with Israel you have to be on G-d's side. Therfore, yes, if the Muslims would accept Yeshua as their Saviour they would in turn love the Jews. It's got little to do with Genes. Take the Christian Lebanese for instance, they were Allies to Israel before the Muslims oppressed and murdered them. Palestinian Arabs who are Christians never bombed or harassed Israelis. The Russians and Chinese, G-d haters, also because of this, hate Jews (and Christians.) All the secularistas hate Jews and Christians.
37 | cares1996 usa, Saturday Jul 04, 2009
Avi,we are supposed to be on same side ,if your denomination is different that doesn`t mean someone elses is to be critized .The differences should be explained and accepted if possible.Here in america there are so many different chuches i would have to devote many years if not hole life to know them.Heather means she stands with Israel! in our denomination jesus is not god ,but the son of God who gave his life so our sins could be forgiven.beings none of us are perfect and our lords son is king of angels ,lets try to focus on what we have in common not differences.
38 | cares1996 usa, Saturday Jul 04, 2009
Avi we must stick together its wrong attitude towards solutions that helped get us in this mess
39 | Donald, Japan, Saturday Jul 04, 2009
Israel should not trust Barack Insane Obama at all. He has admitted in his book that he is racist and that his leanings are towards the muslims. He has stated that if the muslim countries gained international strength he wouls side with them. Israel, stop fiddling around with Obama and stop worrying about international opinion! Obama has a messiah complex, and who the heck is he to think he can demand and dictate what Israel must do? Obama's interests are not Israel's interests, he is even supplying finances to terrorist on your doorstep. Maybe Obama should be considered a type of terrorist!?
40 | Illary, Peru, Saturday Jul 04, 2009
Monotheist, Jesus is our G-d and He is not a looser, He won because He put his life for us as a the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world, and then He resurrected.
Avi, "Muslims are closer to Jews in terms of religion"? What a shame. Jesus said love your enemies, but Mahoma tell to kill them. Are Jews closer to the bloddy Mahoma than to Jesus who was himself a Jew? No way. And remember that Biblical Christians LOVE Israel and pray for it but I see that Koran-led muslims usually hate Israel.
41 | Illary, Peru, Saturday Jul 04, 2009
Mike, you said: "If all the Muslims accepted Jesus as their Lord and Savior would they make nice with Israel" The answer is, if they are truly converted to Jesus, yes, they would love Israel. You want an example, here is: Tass Saada, a former Palestinian Fatah terrorist turned Christian peace envoy, he has wrote a book called: "Once an Arafat man". Google his name and you will find his amazing testimony and, yes, now he really loves Israel.
42 | anthony, Saturday Jul 04, 2009
The game gegins and all the compromises will not stop this show.
Until the Jews learn to accept their Messiah in his true form and call HIS NAME, the road only leads to Dark days for all Israel. We never learn and we continue to discredit GOD from our lives. FACE the consequences.Man will betray Israel. Prepare for the worst is yet to come !
43 | flower,LA USA, Saturday Jul 04, 2009
Israel is in a tough situation.She has no one she can trust.Not Obama who's push on Freezing building in the settlements is actually a push to put himself on the world stage as a peace maker par excelance and without any care whatsoever about Israel's safety and survival, not the Saudis who have no intention to start normal relations with Israel,nor the Palestinians who after years of being forgiven for their horroble crimes by a sick world are so corrupt that they do not know how to say OK, lets live in peace.NO ONE.
Therefore Israel should sit and wait for the other side to do his part first.
44 | Wor Shipper, Saturday Jul 04, 2009
We praise you and bless you and trust in you Obama, O Dark Lord of Blackness and Cocaine Abuse.
Born in a humble stable in Kenya yours is all the power and the glory.
Along with Hitlery you shall rule the world black sun of the world!
45 | Sonny USA, Saturday Jul 04, 2009
The international communities stance on the West Bank settlements ignores the fact that all that territory was ceded to Israel by Jordan through treaty prior to any UN Res. 242. This took place after the 1973 war. Israel has offered peace to the West Bank and Gaza only to have her hand slapped away. Hamas and the PA (PLO) still call for the destruction of the state of Israel and have never withdrawn that statement. PA officials tell the West what they want to hear and then turn around and tell their people we must destroy Israel. So who are the people that Israel can make peace with?
46 | Sonny, Saturday Jul 04, 2009
#12: I agree! Israel has had no peace from the peace process and the world refuses to recognize that. Each piece of land that Israel gave up for what was to be a lasting peace only moved the Islamic cause a little closer to the destruction of Israel. Israelis must reconsider the whole process and formulate a new approach to the Islamic world. The international approach to managing IsraelÂ’s foreign policy from Washington or London has brought nothing in the way peace. What it has brought is attacks on the West by Islamic radicals funded by whom? Where is this promise of peace?
47 | sllepley Eolia, Mo. (Gentile), Saturday Jul 04, 2009
There are many of us in the U.S. who do not adhere to Obama's position for Israel. I believe there should be no Palestinian state and no divided Jerusalem. Israel should not stop settlements in the west bank and never give up the golan heights. Gaza, west bank and the golan heights were all bought with Jewish blood. How soon the world forgets the price paid by the Jewish people for a homeland. I pray Israel will be strong in the days ahead and not compromise. Israels strength is in
the G-d of Abraham, Issac and Jacob not U.S. foreign policy.
48 | Torah-believing Jew, Saturday Jul 04, 2009
Illary, Peru: You are wrong. Moses also said kill thy enemy, does it mean Moses was wrong? Do you think we should let our enemies kill us? Besides, Muhammed called for the worship of one God. Muhammed told Muslims to worship the God of Israel. So, yes, our rabbis were right when they said that Islam was closer to Judaism than Christianity is. At least Muslims worship one God.
Christianity worships humans, icons, saints...you worship Jesus, not God. And the Catholics worship even Mary...You are idolaters... you should be destroyed.
49 | Torah-believing Jew, Saturday Jul 04, 2009
cares1996 usa, if Jesus is not God, then why do you worship him as God.
Do true believers worhsip "created beings"?
This is another proof that christianity is false.
50 | Moshe Shach, Tel Aviv, Saturday Jul 04, 2009
onething, We lived with Muslims for 1400 years, they didn't commit a single progrom, or massacre or genocide against us.
But in just one Euoropean war, Christians killed six million Jews.
Muslims are a thousand time more merciful than Christians.
And it is not true that Muslims hate us...they just don't like Israel.
Remember, our golden age occurred under Islam in southern Spain, not in Christian europe.
In any case, I prefere to be Muslim than accept this Jesus of yorus.
51 | Eli Shlaim, Saturday Jul 04, 2009
Christians are really really morally inconsistent. On the one hand they say "love thy neighbor", and on the other hand they support Jewish settler's ideology which calls for killing all Palestinians, including christian Palestinians.
So what kind of Jesus is that who supports genocide against his own followers?
Now I know that Hitler was a true christian. He too was quoting from a certain religious book
52 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Saturday Jul 04, 2009
#33 Tom. Just when I thought you couldn't slink any lower, you've outdone yourself. While saying that a Jew even told you that "God is a Jew" (small "j" capitilized) -you gone on to say that the Jews are the spawn of Satan. I thought that type of ignorance disappeared with the invention of the llght bulb. You know the devil cannot be killed by mortal men, so I guess you and a lot of other mortal fools are in for a rough time. As part of my next excorcism I will renounce Tom.
53 | Christian Zionist, Saturday Jul 04, 2009
sllepley Eolia, I agree with you completely, Israel should exterminate all Muslim animals. Israel should also take over Egypt, Syria, Lebanon and Turkey and exterminate all non-Jews and non-Christians there. we Americans are willing to shed our own blood for the sake of Israel.
This is the way christians must follow. As to Gaza, I suggest Israel drop one N. bomb and get rid of these sub-humans.
But, I have problem with the 200,000 christians living in Bethlehem and Beit Jala and Nazareth. Well, for Israel's sake, they too should be killed as well.
Halleluia......Am Yisrael Chai.
54 | Dawn U.S., Saturday Jul 04, 2009
And I will pour out upon the huse of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn. Zechariah 12:4 This prophecy is for Israel and will be fulfilled when G_D fights all the nations for Israel. Trust obama? NO!!! Trust your G_D Israel.
55 | Ranald Alexander Mason Nimmo, Sunday Jul 05, 2009
What a stupid thing to say, Trust obama for peace. Wheather you people relise or not, obama is the enemy with in, in front of your very eyes, and yet you are blind and deaf to it, or you are out right stupid. America IS NO LONGER A SUPER POWER, they may think they are. America is bust and living on ious. China just about owns america. America will decline, whats even worse you continue with abortions, and you have a country loaded with queers, and on the increase. At some point in the future, most of you will be wiped out.
56 | Shel Zahav in Jerusalem, Sunday Jul 05, 2009
It isn't good for anybody to trust the socialist, Obama.
57 | flower, LA , USA, Sunday Jul 05, 2009
We used to ask about different events if they are good for the Jews.Sadly we are now asking if they are good for Obama.It is time for Israel to free itself from the American yoke and understand that it needs to keep thinking about events the old fashioned way - is it good for the Jews.
58 | Sara Israel, Sunday Jul 05, 2009
Stop bringing Jesus into the picture. This is about the Survival of the Jewish Homeland which is surrounded by Arab Predators who will never forgive since the Time of Abraham and Ishmael, the first-born from an Egyptian slave Mother out of wedlock and discarded for Isaac the legal Heir. So Muslims accept it. Christians and Jews are thus connected, the Earliest Christians being Jews and Romans, the Infidels to be annihilated under their Prophet Mohammad. Today sees the Reality of this hatred and jealousy still and it will never end until one or the other has been totally conquered.
59 | Sara Israel, Sunday Jul 05, 2009
Stop bringing Jesus into the picture. This is about the Survival of the Jewish Homeland which is surrounded by Arab Predators who will never forgive since the Time of Abraham and Ishmael, the first-born from an Egyptian slave Mother out of wedlock and discarded for Isaac the legal Heir. So Muslims accept it. Christians and Jews are thus connected, the Earliest Christians being Jews and Romans, the Infidels to be annihilated under their Prophet Mohammad. Today sees the Reality of this hatred and jealousy still and it will never end until one or the other has been totally conquered.
60 | Michael-Florida, Sunday Jul 05, 2009
Barack HUSSEIN Obama is NO FRIEND OF ISRAEL!. He Cannot be trusted, period. Since His First Day in office and His Visit to the Turkish Parliament < He showed His Religion and His Hatred of Israel.Many Jewish Voters were duped by the adds showing Obama with Biden, depicting them as "true friends of Israel" Nothing could be farther from the truth.In pschology it is taught to do what is BEST for Oneself. This goes for Israel too.It is taught in Judaism, to stop the aggressor when He comes after You, and foil his plans.This was true for Purim and true against the Black Hamen Obama.
61 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Sunday Jul 05, 2009
TOM-In a post a couple of weeks ago you stated that most of the Jews in Israel are not indigenous Jews, but rather Europeans Jews who are converts from Christianity. In #33 you state that the Jews are the spawn of satan. Does that mean that the "converted from Christianithy" Jews are from a different (non-satan( lineage, or that the Christians from whom they were converted are satan's descendants? Or is it that the Sephandic (inigenours) Jews were spawned by satan's sperm? If so, iwas Jesus not a Sephardic Jew? He is called the son of G-d, but you bring that into question. Please enlighten us.
62 | Illary, Peru, Monday Jul 06, 2009
Hi Torah-believing Jew: So Muhammed told Muslims to worship the God of Israel? Then hear the words of "prophet" Mahoma: Sura(9:29)"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book (jews), until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." Mahoma let a example of moral and ethics: rape, killing, robbery, was the mark of their conquests. Not every muslim hate Israel but they that obey this Sura..
63 | Illary, Peru, Monday Jul 06, 2009
Ok, it's my last post for now, Torah-believing Jew, just one thing more: Please don't equate "Christian" to "Catholic". I am an Ex-Catholic, now born-again Christian. In fact, the Catholic church burnt us as heretics during the Inquisition. Call me Protestant if you want, but know that we don't worship icons, nor saints, nor Mary, which we consider idolatries. But yes, we worship Jesus because He's the Son of G-d. It's ironic, you said that we should be destroyed but we love you, just like Jesus did with the mob who shouted: "Crucify him, crucify him", He loved them and still loves Israel
64 | ina-scotland, Monday Jul 06, 2009
#63 I think you said it all so good on you Illary.
65 | Tom, US, Monday Jul 06, 2009
61 | Mike Feldman - Why do you constantly twist my words ? I NEVER stated that the jews converted from Christianity. The Khazars were all annointed as jews by their king. They converted from NO religion.
Somebody else in here posted regarding the jews awaiting their messiah. Their 'messiah' will be the beast of Revelation 666. They will crown him as their king upon the Temple Mount after they rebuild the temple. So if your messiah is also the beast of Revelation, then by all means you are in fantastic company.
66 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Monday Jul 06, 2009
Tom. It looks as if our truce was short-lived. You did in you post #33 on July 3 state that the Jews were the spawn of satan. If you believe in the beast of Revalation 666 etc. - go for it. My point is that Jesus was a Sephardic Jew. Jesus is known to Christianity as the Son of God. You cannot be both the Son of God and descended from the devil's sperm at the same time. Do you assert that all Christians worship the descendent of the Devil and all Jews carry Satan's bloodline. Notwithstanding that most Jews are not awaiting any messiah. The general consensus is that when you die your dead CONT
67 | Mike Feldman, Canada, Monday Jul 06, 2009
Tom-CONT. Tom I would like to know if these are seriously held beliefs of yours. Can the Israelis and Jews throughout the world account for every action simply by stating: "The Devil made me do it?"
If you clearly state your positions, I promise I will never respond to another post of yours as I will let your words speak for themselves.
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