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Tuesday Nov 25, 2008
Rosner's Domain: Can Obama and Netanyahu get along?Posted by SHMUEL ROSNER
Comments: 23 Some call it "analysis". Others admit it is mostly a political talking point. But whatever one decides to call it, the trend of speculating about possible Obama/Bibi interactions has caught up with media outlets and pundits all over. Just Google Obama + Bibi and see for yourself. Will they be able to cooperate? Will America's relations with Israel under respective Obama and Netanyahu governments be a "disaster", as this article asks? These questions started right after Election Day, and are getting more traction by the day, especially since Netanyahu's lead in Israeli polls has increased. They are now common assumptions among reporters and columnists, like the knowledgeable Amir Oren. He suggested today that the Scowcroft-Brzezinski plan presented in the Washington Post Friday (on which I wrote) will make Bibi's life almost impossible: Kadima, Labor and Meretz could adopt the four-point plan, which the Likud, in its current composition of Bibi-Benny-Bogey (Netanyahu, Begin and Yaalon) cannot do. Obama or Bibi - that is what Scowcroft and Brzezinski are indirectly asking, in calling on Obama to immediately act in challenging the Israeli public to take a position. In essence, what Israelis (and Americans) opposed to Netanyahu want is for Obama to help Livni get elected. Namely by making Israelis wary about having a Prime Minister who wouldn't be able to get along with the next U.S. administration. But by inviting intervention, they assume a risk: If Netanyahu is elected anyway, this will complicate relations between Netanyahu and Obama even more. But suspecting that relations between the Obama administration and a Netanyahu government might be strained is not unreasonable. Likud governments, in general, have a harder time with American Presidents: think of Begin and Reagan, or Shamir and George H. W. Bush. Netanyahu himself had a hard time with the Clinton administration, and many Clinton players are coming back - including his former nemeses Hillary Clinton and Madeleine Albright. Obama has also expressed, in the past, a skepticism toward Likud, saying that one does not need a "pro-Likud approach" in order to be pro-Israel. However, ignoring the possible positives of such a development is one-sided. Here are a couple of reasons why Netanyahu and Obama should be able to work it out: 1. Obama will not want to be seen as someone looking for a fight with the Israeli government. It would give a lot of people an opportunity to say "we told you so". 2. Netanyahu learned a lesson in 1999, when the Clinton administration helped bring about the end of his government. He will try to avoid similar mistakes. 3. Clinton of 2008 is not the Clinton of 2000. The collapse of Camp David and the second Intifada have taught her (and most other people) that one can't force a peace by fiat. 4. Rhetoric aside, the differences between Netanyahu, Livni, and Barak are not hugely significant. Netanyahu himself won't be nearly as important as the coalition he forms. And a centrist coalition headed by Netanyahu can do just fine. Having said all that, bad feelings and old animosities could still hurt Netanyahu, both in the administration and even more so in Congress (Netanyahu was very close with Newt Gingrich, something Congressional Democrats are unlikely to forget). There are also many Jewish leaders who don't like the idea of Netanyahu as Prime Minister. The bottom line? I don't think the possibility of a Netanyahu-Obama clash will hurt the Likud Party at the polls, because most Israelis attuned to such nuances are already in the anti-Bibi camp. This means that Netanyahu - if he manages to win, as polls predict - will have one challenge to overcome rather quickly. But then, so will the Obama administration. Crossposting: Contentions.
1 | Wise Saba , Western Negev. Israel, Tuesday Nov 25, 2008
What we need is a strong leader to stand up & say no to the Americans & it's about time we elected one. I vote for Bibi. Livni is a weak leader & will follow the Americans blindly as she is doing now. The Americans have been mixing into our affairs far to much & it is a security disaster for us. Missiles are landing on my head, not Bush's or Obama's & frankly I don't give a dam what they say or want.
2 | Alan-USA, Tuesday Nov 25, 2008
Only if Obama listens to and OBEYS Bibi. Any other way, NO WAY!
3 | Matt C, Canada, Tuesday Nov 25, 2008
Whether or not Obama and Bibi will get along is not the issue, the issue is whether or not America and Israel will continue to get along, now and in the future.
America is changing, it is becoming more like the UN than the part of the English world it once was. Unfortunately, we all know how the UN treats Israel.
American politics are decided largely by lobby groups of various types, we should pay attention to the emerging anti-Israel (Soros, for example) and pro-political-Islam lobby groups in the US and how much influence they have to get the best idea of where America is heading.
4 | Avraham - Yerushalayim, Tuesday Nov 25, 2008
I think the bigger point is that two smart people, elected as World leaders, will be able to get along because...well, frankly, because they're two smart people, elected as World leaders.
Something that, unfortunately, neither the US nor Israel could say over the last few years.
5 | Daniel-Atlanta, Tuesday Nov 25, 2008
Netanyahu will have a bigger challenge in building a consensus among the Israeli public than he will have in forging a working relationship with the Obama administration. For all the talk about how the Palestinians can't get their act together, the same can be said about Israelis. Obama is a pragmatist. He will soon see that the only thing he can accomplish in the Middle East as the American president is to keep the lid on the pot, so that is what he will try to do.
6 | Steven L Edwards, Tuesday Nov 25, 2008
It is not important that they do. Many in the United States look to Netanyahu, ahead of their own President in leading the West over the next four years, including this observer. [I voted for McCain, never Obama]
7 | tom usa, Tuesday Nov 25, 2008
Bibi's not "cool" enough to hang with Barack. He's not even a citizen of the world!
8 | Will Davis; Newport News, VA, US, Tuesday Nov 25, 2008
It's important that this not be merely be cast as a geopolitical issue. There are spiritual forces at work as well which do not want to see the Jewish people and the Nation of Israel survive. God has pointedly said in His Word that He has covenanted the land of Israel to the descendants of Abraham. In addition He has promised (in the Bible) that He would very jealously protect the nation of Israel. So I would caution anyone whether it be a nation or a political figure against attempting to achieve a peace through dividing the land.
9 | Morton Friedman Lanham, MD, Tuesday Nov 25, 2008
Careful of point 3. Has she learned, has Obama learned? That learning may just be wishful thinking.
10 | Shelley, Canada, Tuesday Nov 25, 2008
I've always believed a vote for Obama would be dangerous for Israel. My heart is with Israel and all who support her. I'm not a Jew, but a Christian and I believe B. Netanyahu is the right person to lead Israel. I follow US & Israeli politics closely and I was very saddened to see the support Obama received. The vast majority voted for him out of ignorance. This was a dangerous choice for not only Israel, but for America as a whole. Matt C's comments above are correct - America is now leaning toward pro-Islamic tendencies as Americans & Canadians are trying to appease Islamic communities.
11 | Manny, Chicago, Tuesday Nov 25, 2008
Obama cannot go against public opinion, and the American people is strongly pro-Israel. We need a leader who is able to speak directly to the American people, above the head of the Administration if necessary. The US and Israel interests may not always coincide, and we need a strong leader to say "no". Netanyahu fits the bill
12 | Dorothy Adams_Holden, Wednesday Nov 26, 2008
I did not vote for Obama either. I am for B. Netanyahu. He is exactly what Israel needs. I am not in favor of the peace plan. I think no land should be given to the Palenstians, they just want it all and can not keep their word. Give the land away and they just want more. We Christians here in America are for Israel all the way. We can't help it, that all the black people voted Obama in. All they want is a black president, that's all. Obama is just a communist.
13 | Dorothy Adams_Holden, Wednesday Nov 26, 2008
I did not vote for Obama either. I am for B. Netanyahu. He is exactly what Israel needs. I am not in favor of the peace plan. I think no land should be given to the Palenstians, they just want it all and can not keep their word. Give the land away and they just want more. We Christians here in America are for Israel all the way. We can't help it, that all the black people voted Obama in. All they want is a black president, that's all. Obama is just a communist.
14 | Dorothy Adams_Holden, Wednesday Nov 26, 2008
I did not vote for Obama either. I am for B. Netanyahu. He is exactly what Israel needs. I am not in favor of the peace plan. I think no land should be given to the Palenstians, they just want it all and can not keep their word. Give the land away and they just want more. We Christians here in America are for Israel all the way. We can't help it, that all the black people voted Obama in. All they want is a black president, that's all. Obama is just a communist.
15 | Linda Flemming, Springfield, Illinois, U.S.A., Wednesday Nov 26, 2008
Senator Obama's ideology is taken from Karl Marx, Saul Alinsky, and the Black Liberation Theology (including the writings of James H. Cone and Bobby Seale, of the militant Black Panther Party). He began his campaigning with William Ayers of the Weathermen Underground, who is now a 'respected' professor of children's literature at a prominent Chicago University, famed for killing police officers in a home-spun terrorist bombing 40 years ago. None of this is secret, nor the fact that Obama's main sponsor is George Soros. America is as divided as before our Civil War. G-d bless Israel and Bibi.
16 | Joseph Olubwa, Eldoret - Kenya, Wednesday Nov 26, 2008
Israel needs leadership that will not compromise on giving up any land to the palestinians.Palestinians can have freedom to work and live in Israel , even practice their religion. But for a state, they belong to Jordan.
For the Americans, they have become so secular that their support for Israel has become lukewarm whichever party is in power. Eventually,support will cease. Regardless Israel as a nation is ordained of God to stand even if the whole world turns against her. Her salvation lays in the prophets Moses and Elijah. Watch out and Pray for the peace of Israel.
17 | Maverick US, Wednesday Nov 26, 2008
Israel is at the root of the conflict by provoking the Palestinians to engage in terrorism The U.S. must condition its financial support of this rogue state by forcing Israel to adhere to a real road map: dismantle all the West Bank settlements and formerly negotiate final borders with Hamas and al-Sulta. Either condition support by holding Israel's feet to the fire or get out of the M.E. completely.
18 | Big Bill, Cambridge, Wednesday Nov 26, 2008
You do stretch a bit, Mr. Rosner. Surely some Jews will tell other Jews "I told you so" and try to cut Obama off at the knees if he crosses them on Israel.
Nonetheless, I think you overestimate Jewish power and the Jewish ability to strike fear into the hearts of sheigetz American politicians. Jews don't own American Middle Eastern foreign policy that easily or automatically.
Further, American secular Jews (aka "neo-Christians") are too indifferent and assimilated to complain much.
19 | Blaine Kahle, Wednesday Nov 26, 2008
Israel needs a leader who will stand up for what G_d promised Abraham and the land promised to the Jewish people. True peace will only come from obeying G_d and his promises. G_d will protect HIs chosen people and come to their aid. He has done this in the past but only after they have repented and turned from their sin.
As far as US policy and peace plans: DON'T MESS WITH G_D'S covenant and promise! Don't divide the land and Jerusalem! It belongs to Israel alone.No blessings will come! Read Genesis 12:3.
My heart goes out to the Jewish people and all they have been through.
G_d bless them!
20 | Nach, Wednesday Nov 26, 2008
Israel's leaders need to be more self-reliant and not act as fawning coolies to outsiders nor make comments the country at large will have to pay for later on. The electoral system is terrible, no more than a musical chairs game. Citizens, hard-pressed are put off by poor internal infrastructure vis a vis lack of jobs, housing, listening ear, etc.. One gets the impression that only a dictator or ruling king can put the country back together again.
21 | James in Beer Sheva, Wednesday Nov 26, 2008
Why don't we just ask Barack? I'm pretty sure he would say something like,"Well, our response will be meaningful and harsh, so he better be warned that we are not going to put up with it very much longer."
I know that doesn't make any sense to a lot of you, but some of you may understand my point.
22 | John Reilly San Diego, Wednesday Nov 26, 2008
Israel should not predicate its' survival on the United States and who is President. She should form relationships with Russia and China, who are not natural allies of the Arabs. Israel needs to move back into the Non-Aligned camp. Screw Scowcroft-Brzezinski.
23 | Amnon, Jerusalem, state of Lemmings, Friday Dec 05, 2008
Message for Jews who claim Obama's a friend of Israel:
If this chimpanzee who sat in Reverend Wright's pew of kindness, tolerance, and benevolence is such a good friend, then why are the "fuck the Jews" boys back? The ones who made all kinds of excuses for Jim Baker, yet deliberately went out of their way to screw Israel every chance they got. Even going so far as to demand VIP status for the late, unlamented babykiller Arafat at the U.S. Holocaust Museum.
Ross, Miller and Kurtzer are back. No friend would ever allow this - Only a chimp who loves Israel-haters would.
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