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Brian Katulis is a Senior Fellow at the Center for American Progress, where his work
focuses on U.S. national security policy with an emphasis on the Middle East and South
Asia. In 1994 and 1995, he was a Fulbright scholar in Amman, Jordan, where he
conducted research on the peace treaty between Israel and Jordan. He is one of three authors who just published a new paper entitled "Window of Opportunity for a Two-State Solution".

I sent him a couple of questions:

1. Your paper argues that "there is no clear path forward to resolve power-sharing disputes among different Palestinian factions" - yet you believe that "A two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict is achievable" How?

"No clear path forward" doesn't mean it can't be done. Getting to a political consolidation among the Palestinian factions is difficult, but not mission impossible. It is also a fundamental piece for moving towards the shared goal of a two-state solution, one that is supported by the United States, Israel, and much of the rest of the world.

Competing Palestinian groups can settle their disputes through different means - violence, negotiations, a competition at the ballot box, or through some combination of these different means.

Obviously the burden for addressing these differences rests squarely on the shoulders of the Palestinian leaders and factions. The disputes within Fatah, differences among members of Palestine Liberation Organization, and the continued Fatah-Hamas tensions are things that Palestinian leaders must address. Outside actors such as Egypt can play a role in trying to facilitate discussions, but they can't force decisions on Palestinian leaders.

The efforts of outside actors, whether it is the United States, Israel, Saudi Arabia, Iran, or other countries, have an impact on the balance of power among Palestinian factions and the strategic calculations of different Palestinian groups. For example, U.S. efforts to support Palestinian leaders through security sector assistance or economic development programs, might boost the power and credibility of certain types of Palestinian factions. Funding and support for Hamas from other parts of the Middle East have an impact on the intra-Palestinian balance of power. Israel's policies also have an impact on the landscape - for example, a number of Palestinian Authority leaders talked about the importance of easing restrictions on movement and access in the West Bank to give a boost to the economy. These leaders made their case not only for altruistic reasons - they did so in the hopes that any economic gains would help boost their popularity in the eyes of their people.

So outside actors have a role, and helping prepare a credible pathway to statehood could create an environment for resolving internal Palestinian disputes. But ultimately it is up to Palestinian leaders to figure out how they are going to rebuild a framework for sharing power and whether they can find a formula to bridges gaps like the tense divisions that remain between Fatah and Hamas.

2. You say that there's "a need for a greater effort on the part of the United States to reconcile with the Israeli public". But recent developments - notably US' demand to halt construction in Jerusalem - show that such effort hasn't yet materialized. How would you reconcile US' desire for settlement freeze with the need for more receptive Israeli public opinion?

One of the report's key recommendations is for the Obama administration to develop a comprehensive strategic communications and public outreach effort with the Israeli public.  Israel has a vibrant media that expresses a diverse range of viewpoints, and it has an informed and engaged public. In order for the Obama administration to most effectively advance its policies, one key component is to have a regular and more consistent effort aimed at engaging in the rich and complicated debates taking place in Israel.

As we say in the report, it was clear from the meetings we had in Israel that the settlement freeze issue is not the most important issue for the Israeli public - this tactical dispute didn't seem to animate Israel's internal debates or matter much to Israelis. The diplomatic engagements on settlement freezes or disputes over construction in Jerusalem will likely continue - close allies sometimes don't see eye to eye on certain issues.

But as those issues continue to be debated, the Obama administration needs to send a clear message to the Israeli public that the United States is a strong ally that will defend Israel on issues which are fundamental to its security and defense, such as how to achieve a comprehensive peace with its neighbors or to develop a strategy on Iran. Israel and the United States cannot afford to surprise each other on strategic issues such as these. In his first six months in office, President Obama has reached out directly to the Muslim world in speeches in Turkey and Egypt - at some point it could be beneficial for him to do direct outreach in Israel too.

The Obama team has been very busy engaging in a mix of quiet, behind-the-scenes diplomacy and sometimes quite vocal diplomacy at the official level with the Israeli government. What we suggest is a public diplomacy effort with two main goals: first, clearly explaining the U.S. strategy to Israel, with the understanding that allies may not always agree, and second, reaffirming the importance of the bilateral alliance.

3. David Rothkopf of Foreign Policy wrote last week that "getting tough with the Israelis on settlements or on other elements of the Israel-Palestine agenda will actually do precious little to address our greater concerns in the region while accepting a nuclear-capable Iran because we don't have the will to stop them from getting will damage U.S. interests in great and lasting ways.... as a potentially unprecedented rift [between the US and Israel] looms and as a shift in the politics of the relationship seems to be taking place, it's probably worth taking a deep breath and asking ourselves if we have fully thought through the consequences of what might come next. ". Do you agree?

No, I don't agree.  First, I think there has been a lot of unnecessary hyperventilating about "unprecedented rifts" between Israel and the United States, and I think our bilateral relationship is mature and stronger than that. So I'd say I have a lot more confidence in the ties between our two countries than Mr. Rothkopf seems to express in this particular statement.

Second, I don't agree with downplaying the importance of making the Arab-Israeli conflict a key priority and focus of attention. I do, however, completely agree that addressing Iran's nuclear effort is a top concern. I just don't think it's an "either-or" situation. We can handle both efforts to achieve progress on the Arab-Israeli front while dealing with Iran.

And I'm in complete agreement that it is important to think through the consequences of what might come next. It's something I wish the Bush administration had done in its Middle East policy. In part due to the strategy pursued by the previous U.S. administration, we've seen an emboldened Iran, advances by terrorist groups like Hamas and Hezbollah, and close U.S. allies like Israel, Jordan, and Egypt feeling threatened.

4. You mention in your report that the administration is "is now pushing for Arab states to make significant gestures toward Israel" - but it seems that so far it has failed to achieve any success in getting the Arabs to make "gestures". Last week the NYT has reported that President Obama "failed to extract any meaningful gestures toward Israel to revive the peace process". How crucial is it that Obama succeeds, and what happens in case that Arab response doesn't seem to be forthcoming?

Getting Arab gestures would be useful and important to achieve progress, obviously. There has been a sense in some parts of the Arab world that important gestures have been made. For example, in recent trips to other parts of the Middle East and in discussions with leaders in the Arab world, I have heard a lot of disappointment that the Arab Peace Initiative, first proposed in 2002 and re-introduced in 2007, had not generated a clear response from Israel or sparked a strong debate within Israel.

But the lack of movement on getting gestures shouldn't be used as an excuse for Israelis and Palestinians to avoid meeting commitments they have made aimed at achieving progress towards a final peace settlement.

5. There are those thinking that the only way to advance to peace process is to push Israel around - and those thinking that the only way to advance peace is to make Israel feel secure, comfortable and at ease with the American administration. What's your take on this dilemma?

I think it's a false choice, and somewhat of a simplistic way of looking at a mature bilateral alliance that has endured for decades and will continue to last.

We can walk and chew gum at the same time. The United States can work to maintain and build trust with the Israeli public while taking diplomatic steps it feels is necessary to advance a two-state solution.

At times allies will have tactical disputes, particularly during turbulent periods or periods of transition and change in policy. The United States and Israel have a long list of common interests - I am struck by how both countries agree on the need to advance a two-state solution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, the need to address Iran's actions, and the need to address the continued threat from terrorist groups.

But the two countries are not going to always agree on everything every day of the week. That's ok, as long as both countries are doing the hard work and communications needed to maintain the bilateral relationship. Most importantly, one country should not surprise or do anything unexpected that impacts the strategic position of the other country.

6. You write that Palestinian election "will be risky and complicated, but elections may be the only way to translate improvements in security, economy, and institutional capacity into real political legitimacy for Palestinian governing institutions - the paramount strategic objective of the current efforts. While January 2010 should not be a sacred date, the elections should be held on a reasonable time frame and their results respected."

Risky indeed - are you not repeating the mistake of the Bush administration back in 2006?

The Bush administration's mistakes run deeper than just simply pushing forward with elections in 2006 - the administration did so in a context of not having a clear plan to build civilian and security institutions, particularly after Israel's disengagement from Gaza in 2005. The problem with the 2006 elections wasn't that there were elections - it was that the hard work of building Palestinian institutions and also making real progress toward a two-state solution were left undone.  There was a lot of talk but far too little action on those fronts.  It really wasn't until the last 18 months of the Bush administration that there was a concerted and somewhat organized effort to strengthen Palestinian Authority institutions, particularly in the West Bank.

Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and Prime Minister Salam Fayyad recently both called for those elections to be held in January. Abbas said the results should be respected no matter what. If Palestinian leaders continue to push for a new round of elections - tentatively discussed for early next year, then the United States, Israel and other countries should be prepared to make some decisions on how they will respond.

A key problem that remains unresolved now is the challenge of legitimacy that many Palestinian leaders face. I certainly don't think that another round of Palestinian elections is a panacea for the many challenges on the Israeli-Palestinian front.  But there are very serious questions about how much standing and support Palestinian leaders have these days, and whether a Palestinian Authority is viable without some way of gauging the will and support it has from the people.

A two-state solution is not viable if one of the parties lacks legitimacy and support from its own people. Elections are always risky, but the alternatives could be even messier - an escalation of violence among Palestinian factions in efforts to settle scores and resolve disputes over power is quite possible.

In order to achieve progress towards a two-state solution, more thought must be given to this question of how Palestinians can achieve an internal consolidation of power and settle their disputes. It's not enough to have economic development or security sector assistance efforts moving forward without more planning on how to advance a political transition among the Palestinians.

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1  |  Joel Izenstat, Wednesday Jul 22, 2009
I am against the two state solution. It is dead anyway. Israel, by building hundreds of Jewish-only colonies on occupied territory, has effectively killed the prospect of any viable Palestinian state. Hence, the only remaining alternative is one unitary democratic state for all, whereby Jews and Arabs live as equal citizens. If Israel rejects this and insists on "Jewish state," then the only other alternative would be a nuclear holocaust for all. The world must not allow Jews to carry out a holocaust against the poor and helpless Palestinians.
2  |  Terry - Eilat, Israel, Wednesday Jul 22, 2009
There is no rift between America or the majority of Americans, there is a rift between Israel & Obama. Israel & America share many common interests & concerns - concerns that Obama evidently does not share. We are not the only ally that is concerned by Obama's appeasement policies. Obama's policies are creating a rift between America & ALL her allies. Eastern European leaders just wrote a letter to Obama expressing concern that he was ''throwing them under the Russian bus.'' Japan, India, Taiwan, many in S. America are similarly concerned.
3  |  Terry - Eilat, Israel, Wednesday Jul 22, 2009
Here's another jerk talking about ''windows of opportunity'' again. Gee, where have I heard this before? And we are supposed to blindly jump out of that window? No thanks. Everyone comes here telling us that if we just make ''one more concession'' they will support us, they will love us, they will take our concerns into consideration. And then they just forget about everything & start the process all over again. More visiting salesmen telling us, ''just one more concession'' blah, blah, blah. And every concession brought us what? Just more pressure for another concession.
4  |  Shlomo, Israel, Wednesday Jul 22, 2009
I am against the two state solution. It is dead anyway.The Arabs are only using the demand for a state for the "palestinians" to systematically erode Israel's ability to defend itself and to deligitmatize the Zionist State. Hence, the only remaining alternative is limitied autonomy for Arabs living between the Jordan and the Sea with a strong afiliation with Jordan. Neither Jews nor Arabs should be expelled from their homes and both deserve not to threatened by war.
5  |  Terry - Eilat, Israel, Wednesday Jul 22, 2009
Rosner, you really should examine the e-mail addresses of the posters on your blog. It seems that you have many posts from the same imposter using many different names - I'm not saying you should censor but you should reveal that they are all posted by the same psychotic anti-Semite who uses false names & identities to pretend that there is much support for his views. This phenomenon is making your blog most un-serious for those of us who would like to have a good discussion that stays on topic & not diverted into lunatic anti-Semitic rants from some psychopath.
6  |  Terry - Eilat, Israel, Wednesday Jul 22, 2009
#4 Shlomo, Israel. Good try, but there really isn't any good solution to this conflict. You want to be fair, to be a nice guy & I understand that. But, in my experience, no matter how pessimistic you are about Arabs, they always manage to exceed your expectations. The Palestinians don't want a solution, they dream of eliminating us. No matter what we do, the conflict remains. That's why the two-state solution won't work & that's why limited autonomy won't work. We tried disengagement from Gaza - what was the result? We tried limited autonomy already, the PA was the result, we got an intifada
7  |  Terry - Eilat, Israel, Wednesday Jul 22, 2009
#4 Shlomo - The Jordanians are cancelling the citizenship of Palestinians, do you seriously think that the Jordanian regime wants ''affiliation'' with Palestinians? They want to dump the problem on us. They aren't intersted in solving problems for the region, they only want to ensure the survival of the regime. Egypt doesn't want Gaza either. There is no ''nice'' solution to our conflict, this is a zero-sum game with only one winner & you'd better hope it's us. The double-talk from Mr. Katulis is just salesmanship for a bad product.We've heard the same BS over & over & it's failed over & over
8  |  Shel Zahav in Jerusalem, Wednesday Jul 22, 2009
Yada, yada, yada. The Arabs are not interested in a peace agreement. They are interested in a state as a means to continue to attempt to destroy Israel. They say it all the time, but naive Westerners still think that all you have to do is give them some jobs --that is what they are fighting for. What a farce.
9  |  Dan, Wednesday Jul 22, 2009
Why not create an Israeli American Political Action Committee in Tel Aviv, and have it lobby for the US Democratic Party positions? It could horse-trade votes on internal projects to gain clout, manage the noisy Israeli media, and vilify those in disagreement as 'settlers.' Why is the US involved in Israeli governmental decisions? If Israel wants to expand settlements, let them go ahead. The US has no business being involved in the region funding this, having its foreign policy shaped to support this.
10  |  B.A. The Netherlands, Wednesday Jul 22, 2009
The problem with middle east peace process is that there are way too many "A***holes" masquradingg as "experts", "senior political analyst", "senior fellow at the almighty intellectual institute of 'this' and that'", etc. They claim to know better than anyone else. They experiment on their earthquaking "ideas" with peoples' lives and issues most dear to them. Since Oslo they come and go, their "great ideas" remain barren, and thousands of people end up dead whem these "experst" finally depart de scene. Only damage can result from the public rift b/w Israel and the US. Rudimental logic.
11  |  Terry - Eilat, Israel, Wednesday Jul 22, 2009
Never discussed is the question of recourse. You know, like when you buy a car & it doesn't run, you have a warranty. Or a property which had serious defects concealed by the seller or did not have clear title. What is our recourse when the new Palestinian state allows terrorism? When missiles are landing at Ben Gurion? When Iranians show up with military equipment & perhaps troops on the ground. What specific, iron-clad guarantees will we have for non-compliance? You all know the answer. NONE. Would Mr Katulis recommend that we re-occupy ''Palestine'' & remove it's gov't. ?
12  |  Afro-American, Wednesday Jul 22, 2009
Israel doesn't want peace. Israel is interested in creating more and more settlements for fanatical Jewish settlers who would likie to expel or exterminate non-Jews in much of the Middle East. Read their literature..and you will see for yourselves.
13  |  Terry - Eilat, Israel, Wednesday Jul 22, 2009
Mr Katulis, the ''expert'' on the Middle-East, did not once mention Islam. Isn't that odd? Isn't the 700 lb. gorilla in the room worth mentioning? Not one word about Islamic ideology, not one word about Islamic extremism. Not one word about Jihad. How can you talk seriously about the Middle-East without mentioning Islam. He talks about Hamas without even a word about the contents of the ideology that motivates them. Of course, we know why that is - Mr Katulis is being politically correct & anyway, what could he say? Repeat a few vague & stupid platitudes? Intellectual dishonesty .....
14  |  Mike Feldman, Canada, Wednesday Jul 22, 2009
Its not so hard to understand. Obama on the misadvise of Emmanuel and Axelrod thought he could de-stabalize Bibi's government by creating a settlement issue which would have American Jews and left of center Israelis with Obama and against Bibi. Like many of Obama's initiatives it did just the opposite. Israel's priority is the Iranian threat, not an accord with the Palestinians. Untl and unless Fatah and Hamas can form some sort of unity gevernment, establish law and order and control of arms,-Israel would be aiding and abetting the creaton of a radical Islamist state as its neighbour.CONT
15  |  Mike Feldman, Canada, Wednesday Jul 22, 2009
This is obviously of no interest to Israel, and the American pressure has actually served to strengthen Bibi and weaken American influence. Obama is starting to look more and more like a one term President as he spends his politcal capital quickly, Democrats are already worried about next year's elections. So, Obama has unwittingly created a situation where he will simply be out waited. His strategy of sucking up to Muslims at the expense of Israel while showing complete weakness in dealing with Iran is unwelcome even in more moderate Arab countries. Mr. Afro can you tell me how I can post on tNofIslam?
16  |  Morton Friedman Lanham, MD USA, Wednesday Jul 22, 2009
Terry deserves the R label, but R for Realist. Unfortunately his rebuttals to some of the long tripe published by experts is limited to segments of 600 characters. I suggest that he has earned the right to be relieved from that limitation.
17  |  Terry - Eilat, Israel, Wednesday Jul 22, 2009
#14/15 Mike. Both Hamas & Fatah are terrorist groups. While unlikely, a Fatah/Hamas gov't. will be dominated by Hamas. Nothing in past history says that either will control terrorism since they are in effect the perpetrators of terrorism themselves. Both groups pretty much act like gangsters not gov't.'s in the accepted definition of gov't. Hamas is not ''into'' nationalism anyway, they don't care about Palestine, they care about Islam, the lunatic idea of a caliphate ruling a Sharía law Islamic empire. We are not dealing with rational players in the Western sense of rationality.
18  |  Steve, Wednesday Jul 22, 2009
Katulis wrote: "The efforts of outside actors, whether it is.....IRAN (emphasis mine), or other countries, have an impact on the balance of power among Palestinian factions....So outside actors have a role, and helping prepare a CREDIBLE pathway to statehood could create an environment for resolving internal Palestinian disputes. "Credible pathways / credible outside actors." Good grief.
19  |  Debbie Feaster USA, Wednesday Jul 22, 2009
US has no business in Israels business period! Obama needs to get his nose out of Israel and start worrying about his own country, which has completely gone in the toilet since he and his thugs have been in power.
20  |  Jordan Ariel, Wednesday Jul 22, 2009
I recall the story of the "state fairy" where if an Arab puts nothing under their pillow, the state fairy comes and gives them a state. (it doesnt matter that their state is actually part of the ancestral homeland of another people) In all seriousness, Terry, i read your posts on here relatively often and i just wanted to let you know that your honesty and knowledge are highly appreciated. My President (who this Jewish person did NOT vote for) needs to focus on America and leave Israel alone.
21  |  LK,Geneval, Wednesday Jul 22, 2009
The list of serious problems confronting Obama is daunting: the economy, unemployment, America's general decline, Iran, Venezuela, etc. etc. etc. It is telling that under the pall of an increasingly disaffected populace, the American president focuses on Israeli settlements, and in particular, the status of the Shepherd Hotel in East Jerusalem. Obama is in way, way over his head and not smart enough to recognize it. He needs a crash course in history; i.e. whenever a country alienated or persecuted Jews, it was only a matter of time before it went down the proverbial toilet.
22  |  Amnon, the Great AMERICAN Southwest, Wednesday Jul 22, 2009
Afro-American, Grow up, your ignorance is showing. Better yet, take your little Obama and Jeremiah Wright with you to Darfur and stay there. Very soon you'll learn firsthand (and the hard way) how your wonderful Arab Muslims treat those of the Plantation Slave mentality. Like Obama, like Wright, and like you, friend.
23  |  American citizen, Wednesday Jul 22, 2009
who is more terrorist Hamas or Israel? If killing civilians is the ultimate criterion for qualifying for the title of "terrorist," Who under the sun can compete with Israel for the repugnant title? In fact, It is quite hard to find many Israelis who don't have children blood on their hands. The Israelis are child-killers par excellance. As to the Palestinians, they are fighting for their freedom from an evil foreign occupying force that is hell-bent on ethnically cleansing them and destroying their life. Ehud Barak said " if I were born Palestinian, I would be a terrorist."
24  |  Tzvi/amerikkka, Wednesday Jul 22, 2009
by 2 states does he mean 1 state for orthodox Jews and 1 state for secular Jews..and no state for so called palestinian interlopers Because if this is so I will support it.
25  |  Afro American, Wednesday Jul 22, 2009
Terry, why do you always attack Islam and ignore Judaism? don't you know that there are Jewish sects, even today, that don't recognize the humanity of non-Jews? Besides, do you know that the charters of Jewish terrorist groups, such as Kach, Kahana Chai, Gush Emunim, National Union, etc. are a thousand times more dangerous and more genocidal in comparison to Hamas. Hamas is a liberation movement. It commits terrorist acts occasionally. However, Israel occupies Palestine, and the occupation is an act of rape. The resistance of the victim is not like the violence of the attackier.
26  |  JTC USA, Wednesday Jul 22, 2009
Well said Debbie #19 except that we (the U.S.) need to actively and positively support Israel and encourage them to take swift and immediate action to ensure their security. Those who support Israel are blessed and those who are against Israel are cursed.
27  |  Seymour in Berkeley, Wednesday Jul 22, 2009
Several times Katulis referred to the need for one country not to "surprise or do anything unexpected that impacts the strategic position of the other country." But, isn't this precisely what the Obama administration has done re: settlement construction and building in Jerusalem? If the US is perceived by Israelis as untrustworthy regarding past agreements why should they believe Obama even if he speaks directly to Israelis now? I'd like to see Katulis elaborate on this "surprise" issue--what has already happened in his view and what does he wish to forestall?
28  |  Ronald USA, Wednesday Jul 22, 2009
This senior fellow and the whole Obama administration can take their 'window of opportunity' and shove it. The Arabs don't want peace. The Palestinians are beggars - ungrateful ones at that. Israel should work to become a stronger nation, and if the Pals really want a state of their own, let them build it. No one is stopping them except the barbaric jihadis.
29  |  emmitt22 usa, Wednesday Jul 22, 2009
terry you are awesome, afro-american you are an idiot
30  |  emmitt22 usa, Wednesday Jul 22, 2009
Afro-American-- why do you say Afro? Are you touting your hair style? what about Tomorrow's Pioneers? Huh? Answer that? Huh? How many Jewish tv stations have a show like Tomorrow's Pioneers? Answer the question? Huh? How about Tomorrow's Pioneers. If you defend that show then you are not a good person and I hope you break down on Alligator Alley at 2am without a cellphone.
31  |  muslim, Wednesday Jul 22, 2009
Those who think that Obama has real power are coward....real coward+ wasp's a...kissers and are only farting through their imbecile mouths.Islam ?Judaism ?HA HA HA ! OIL and $....Israeli lives? Palestinian lives? Who cares? OIL AND $ ....It is better to scapegoat Obama than to have the courage to look into the frightening eyes of the American oil maffia beast's eyes....ISLAM?JUDAISM? HA HA HA !...one must respect the wasp oil maffia 's machiavellism: they took a "nigger" to put the jews on their knees...OH YES THIS YOUNG BLACK MAN CONTROLS AMERICA...COWARDS' FARTING.
32  |  TrailBlazer, Norway, Wednesday Jul 22, 2009
Mr. Katulis says all and nothing at the same time; as well as ignoring the element of a non-compromising Islam, he tends to mean that democracy is something that could be brought on the palis as a neutral size. The problem with most "research" in Mid-East field is that empty words fill out the bulk of it; just note what happened to labour movements in northern Europe the last few decades - and with their mushrooming so-called research institutions - the ideological basis has eroded - and thereby their research in Mid-East field just pay lip service to western decadent liberal thoughts;
33  |  Ronald USA, Thursday Jul 23, 2009
#12 Afro-American, Not one word in your post is true. I can only conclude that you are an angry man, failing at life because you don't know any facts with which facts to back up your assertions, and has found a scape-goat in the Jewish people. The good news is that your profound feelings of inadequacy are appropriate for your level of knowledge.
34  |  REAL American Citizen, Thursday Jul 23, 2009
Stop your lying, so-called 'American Citizen" - I AM AN AMERICAN CITIZEN and you are simply a fascist Jew-hater. Admit, and leave Native American land to that sewer in Europe you crawled out of. By the way, do take your plantation slave "Afro" with you. I know a lovely spot in Darfur where the Jimjanaweed are looking for naive, arrogant fools just like him and Obama. Maybe they'll give you the shreds of the carcass of the horses Hamas murdered...or maybe they'll just let you starve. Anyway, good riddance to rubbish.
35  |  GOLDEN NUGGET Australia, Thursday Jul 23, 2009
AFRO AMERICAN...so HAMAS commits Terrorist Acts "OCCASSIONALLY"...that about sums up the demented mindset of Muslims. There is NO Palestine only hordes of squatters on Jewish Land. Look closely at your Islam "cultre" and you will find "pure' rape aided and abetted and with the blessing of Islams Mullas...in the pretext of "marriage" of girls as young as 8 years....I agree with you "the resistance of the 8yr old victim is not like the violence of the attacker"....in this case the violence of the attacker is an OBSCENITY sactioned by the Mullas...Not pretty--not even for you--or IS IT ??
36  |  bobtow Canada, Thursday Jul 23, 2009
Theorists never fail to amaze me! They seem to live in a world where everything will turn out as their thoughts predict. They do not take into account, that there are others diametrically opposed to their way of thinking. He seem to think Hamas is a theoretical Organization ready to fall in line with his thought process. He talks like he is an educated man, but, I wonder if his education has been a hinderance to him!
37  |  bobtow Canada, Thursday Jul 23, 2009
Regarding the trustworthiness of the US and allies, one need only look to Lebanon and Hibullah. They do not follow up on their promises. For a country to place themselves in the hands of such friends,it is ridiculous and suicidal. BA from the Netherlands nailed it. These experts come and go with no remorse for what they have left behind. The US and Europe have done more for the Muslims in Bosnia than they have done for Israel! It makes one think!
38  |  bobtow Canada, Thursday Jul 23, 2009
To Afro American. Your logic is amazing! You think murder is an answer to political problems. You an American have the intellect of a radical muslim. Have the mullahs in the US been educating you? Do You believe that a section of the West Bank called by Jewish names for centuries have anything to do with Muslims? Does Judea sound like it means land of the Islamist? Are you really sane?
39  |  Nilson, Thursday Jul 23, 2009
I think that Afro-American is making valid points. We in America need an alternative view to the one we are being spoon-fed by the Jewish lords of the media. It is only through the internet that I finally have been able to realize that Israel is a criminal occupying power that commits genocidal crimes and practices apartheid. I am ashamed of my country's support of this hateful country which murders children, and lies about the murder.
40  |  Ted, University of southern Illinois, Carbondale, Thursday Jul 23, 2009
Bobtow, why do you complain about murder? Do you know that in just 20 day, Jews murdered and incinerated, using white Phosphorus, thousands of Palestinian children. Do you know that all human rights groups in the world, including Israel's own btselem, Amnesty, Human Rights Watch, have accused Israel of committing war crimes and crimes against humanity. So, wake up Bobtow, people are discovering that Jews have been lying to us Americans about the Middle East. And the more people like you lie...the more we are liberated from Jewish mendacity.
41  |  expatriate, London, Thursday Jul 23, 2009
Golden Nugget, don't speak about the Mullas. They can't be compared to Jewish rabbis who issue edicts that non-Jews are animals in human shape and that the lives of non-Jews have no sanctity. Hailing from a people who still teach Chesronot Shas, you have no right to lecture us on Islam. Islam never ever taught the "sin of bestiality" as Judaism has. your shame is exposed.
42  |  Chuck Williams, Thursday Jul 23, 2009
REAL American Citizen, you seem to be a real American Jewish supremacist who thinks that Jews have a right to rule the entire world. My friend, the racism and supremacy and arrogance that brought about the holocaust could bring another holocaust against you. Don't be too arrogant. If u insist on vilifying Islam, Muslims will vilify Judaism, and they won't give a damn about anti-semitism.
43  |  Afro American, Thursday Jul 23, 2009
Ronald, It is you who is ignorant, not me. I read the Israeli press on a daily basis, and if what I am saying is wrong, then it means that the whole Israeli media is telling lies. But you have a problem. You are not capable of being honest, since honesty contravenes your tribal loyalty.
44  |  Turk, Thursday Jul 23, 2009
to the Australian zionist fanatic, Muslims don't hate Jews for being Jews. They hate Jews for being child killers, practitioners of ethnic cleansing and racist. We watch Tv, and we see Jews in Palestine commit all sorts of evil crimes, including genocide. We can't just pretend that these things don't happen. So, instead of attacking Muslims, try to stop your fellow Jews from committing these brutal crimes.
45  |  Scholar of Arabic and Semitic languages, Thursday Jul 23, 2009
Joseph, you are wrong. the word for black in Arabic is "aswad" the word for slave is "Abd" don't claim to know that which you don't know. Arabic is a sea of knowledge. It is a huge language.
46  |  Charlie-USA, Thursday Jul 23, 2009
I remember the administration in Washington D.C. are the same people that spit on us when we returned from Viet Nam attacked us and our families in vile despicable ways. My rant over, I say Israel today, Israel tomorrow, Israel forever. I feel the thugery commited on Israel by the obama administration is just the same as the atrocities they commited us on our return from Nam before they were in power. Thank you!
47  |  TrailBlazer, Norway, Thursday Jul 23, 2009
# (sounds more Swedish to me)..problem with this manner of presenting oneself -- you don't know with whom you are dealing , it matters quite a lot, since you are a product of your background, so also for an American, with loyalties of different kind. And if you are Swedish, Nilson, and now lives in US, you should bear in mind that even if a number of media institutions are jewish owned, it's much the same as in your old country -- media together with state has rid society of values cherished for generation upon generation (the rest of the Jewish-hating comments here are not worth commenting).
48  |  Helen_USA, Thursday Jul 23, 2009
Psalm 126:6
49  |  David USA, Thursday Jul 23, 2009
Obviously there is a need for some straigh thinking ! You want "significant gestures" from the Arabs - and you also want to keep upo the settlementy craze. So - then forget it ! There is no such thing as having your cake and eat it, too.
50  |  muslim, Thursday Jul 23, 2009
45/scholar of arabic....a 'abd' is always 'aswad' in the arab world....so 'abd' and 'aswad' for the arabs is the same thing.........................................................TURK/the day the world won't care anymore about Palestinians,thePalestinian children men and women will live longer and will have a normal life...The more the world cares about Palestinians...the more Palestinian and Arab leaders push them to their death........
51  |  Linda USA, Thursday Jul 23, 2009
Terry, your comments are the most intelligent, well thought through that I have heard anywhere. I have loved Israel since I was seven years old, and I have spent considerable time there in the past 40 years. They say it takes the media 10 months to completely change public opinion about anything. We are now seeing the fruit of a 15 year old "pitiful Palestinian" media seed. If we, the U.S., forsake Israel as a nation, I have no desire to be here or be a part of that fatal mistake. The question is, will Israel take in refugees who forsake their own land to stand for Israel? I hope so.
52  |  Jake USA, Friday Jul 24, 2009
The more the world cares about Palestinians...the more Palestinian and Arab leaders push them to their death........ --- Israel cares more about the Palestinians than other Arab countries do. Israel provides Palestinians with food, water & electricity - and the world ignores that little fact. Israel would be happy to provide Palestinians more rights than they would ever have in an Arab country (so long as they don't demand national rights) but that is not enough for the Arab nation which already has 21 sovereign states. Jews don't need a state in Arabia & Arabs don't need a state in Judea!
53  |  Helen, Friday Jul 24, 2009
What ever rifts are between Israel and the US must end. The season of peace is upon us; it is not delayed. See Psalm 122:6_"Pray for the peace of Jerusalem; those who love you (Jerusalem) will be serene." The season of peace applies to the entire world, as well. The creator of the Universe is waiting for leaders to flow in alignment with HIM. G-d will change the opinion of man one way or the other. It is wise to obey HIS commandments. Man is nothing without the Master of the Universe. Time is running out for political dramatics. God IS...not playing games with anyone.
54  |  Joseph, Friday Jul 24, 2009
You guys can complain all you want about Obama. Have you notice that Israel is becoming more and more isolated every day? Eueope, Russia and China are on your case protesting bad treatment of Palestinians and illegal settlements on the west bank. Lieberman is in South America looking for allies and markets - Brazil doesn't need anything from the Middle East. Even the FBI has no respect for Israel -- arresting 8 Rabbis for laundering money through Israel. See, there is no place for midget countries in this world. No offense. Hence, if you guys forgive me - one word for all of you - Aliya!
55  |  GOLDEN NUGGET Australia, Friday Jul 24, 2009
#54 JOSEPH..is this post the best you can do?..All you have done is exposed the fact that the Jews are being used as pawns to BUY Insurance from ISLAM's terrorism...Yes...the entire world is terrorised by the Istamists forthcoming Agenda of JIHAD...they have the world by the balls and all they have to do is squeeze...ISRAEL's balls are BIG>>GREAT BALLS OF FIRE that will incenerate whoever is stupid or suicidal enough to try...Dont worry your retarded brain--No offence !--ISRAEL AS ALWAYS WILL PREVAIL...Hence if you moron will forgive me - one piece of advice - Stop Playing with Yourself !!
56  |  James Hovland, Saturday Jul 25, 2009
Hamas has given the PA a thumbs up, and even announced their own shift from homemade rockets to "Public Relations". Watch your step, Palestine is waging peace.
57  |  Chris USA, Monday Jul 27, 2009
The US should focus on building a cohesive palestinian entity before even postulating a state. As it stands, Abbas holds a loose reign on a fragmented PA which lacks any substance to govern. Israel and the US should be focused on creating a grass roots palestinain initiative that supports Israel while simultaneously applying top down pressure on Abbas and the PA leadership. The resulting fragmentation will create an entity willing to negotiate with Israel to acheive a meaningful peace. Left alone Abbas, PA will distintegrate after his depature into factional disputes.
58  |  Tee Gee, Israel, Monday Aug 03, 2009
44, another hypocritical, Moslem fanatic Turk. I bet Armenians & Kurds don't hate Turks just for being Turks. They hate them for being child killers, practitioners of ethnic cleansing & racists. We read & learn that the Turks, not only when conquerers, commit all sorts of evil crimes, including genocide. We know the cowardly, brutal Turks pretend these things don't or didn't happen. So,Turk, instead of attacking Jews, the native people of Israel, try stopping fellow Turks from committing these brutal crimes. As for Turkish Jews, if Turk is typical, pack up & return home to Israel NOW
59  |  Tee Gee, Israel, Monday Aug 03, 2009
12. Afro-American, probably converted to Islam in prison,right? Arabs & other Moslems (not all,thank God) don't want peace. They're only interested in more & more infidel countries under the fanatical, bloodthirsty, primitive Moslem yoke. If infidels aren't willing to convert, Islamic butchers will castrate them, rape them, behead them or stone them to death. Read the Koran, hadiths & fatwas, & watch YouTubes & see for yourselves. Dr. Martin Luther King, a believing Christian 'infidel', was a Zionist & tried to convince his JewHating Moslem followers that Israelwas/is the Jews' homeland
60  |  Jonah in Jamaica, Monday Aug 03, 2009
To Afro, Nilson, et al: I believe that it is becoming my function in viewing these postings to ask those who wish to contribute that they not expouse hate and words which make no sense such as "genocide"," apartheid" etc. The reason Rosner has banned the N word is because it did nothing to further the intellectual discussions which this site offers but rather detracted from its use.Afro, today you used "exterminate" instead of the formerly used "genoocide" You must know that is not true.I have never heard any Jew voice a desire to exterminate Arabs .Do we need a beer summit?
61  |  jonah Viet-Nam, Tuesday Aug 04, 2009
There is no ' hyperventilating the "rifts" between Israel and the US ' for rifts in question are real and unilaterally opened by (0)BAALma himself. Israel's refusal to commit suicide to please pp0tus & his Pals is the pretext for accusing Israel of hyperventilation-widening of rifts.Nevertheless it is Israel who will save America from falling into her enemies' hands. But her power is over. By Divine Decree.
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