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Sunday Nov 23, 2008
Rosner's Domain: Apparently, Jewish Orthodox voters didn't think Obama was scarier than John KerryPosted by SHMUEL ROSNER
Comments: 3 1. For those still in doubt: the National Jewish Democratic Council has published a short analysis sent by the Mellman Group (namely, Mark Mellman) to the Solomon Project (namely, Ira Forman). Bottom line: Jews voted for Obama in numbers similar to the exit polls numbers. It might be 78-22 or 77-22 or 75-23, doesn't really matter. Using three data sources, Mellman got to a conclusion: "Barack Obama won the Presidency with between 76% and 78% of the Jewish vote". The three sources are the national exit polls, exit polls in 28 states, and Gallup polls. "Each of these data sources has strengths and weaknesses, but they converge in finding that the President-elect garnered between 74% and 78% of the total Jewish vote and 77%-78% of the two-party Jewish vote". Case closed, I guess. 2. And more on the Jewish vote: Using data available to the public, the Public Policy office of the Orthodox Union has compiled a short list of precincts "with High-Concentration Of Orthodox Jewish Voters". This will not be a surprise to the experienced reader, but Orthodox tend to vote the Republican ticket in much higher numbers. However (as you can see in the table bellow) this was more visible four years ago than it was this time. In other words: In some of the cases presented here, Orthodox voted in higher numbers to the 2004 Bush-Cheney ticket than for the 2008 McCain-Palin ticket. This means - interestingly - and assuming that such pattern can be found in other places too - that the Obama-bad-for-Israel campaign didn't really work with Orthodox voters, and that Obama was not seen by the O-voters as someone less trustworthy than John Kerry. Several reasons contributed to the relative timid response by Orthodox voters to the McCain ticket (that's an opinion, the data does not provide for many clues):
For those interested in the numbers, here's the OU table:
1 2 Palm Beach County Precinct 4145 (Del Prado Elementary School), as identified by Boca Raton Synagogue (7900 Montoya Circle, N) After the 2000 elections, then-labeled Precinct 193B was split into two precincts, 4144 and 4145. The results given were for 4145 only, since it alone was identified as being the primary precinct for the Orthodox community; however, for a more accurate comparison from 2000, refer to the parenthetical numbers, which reflect the results of both 4144 and 4145. The 2008 numbers represent both precinct 4144 and 4145, together.
3 Aggregate results of 4 Aggregate results of Lakewood Township.
5 Miami-Dade County Precinct 29 (North Beach Elementary School), as identified by Beth Israel Congregation (770 West 40th Street). Voter turnout for the precinct was 46% less in 2004 than in 2000, which is likely due to early voting in other precincts.
6 Bergen County, Teaneck, Districts D-11, D-12, and D-18, which are home to Beth Aaron Congregation (Rabbi Rothwachs), Bnei Yeshurun Congregation (Rabbi Pruzansky), Congregation Keter Torah (Rabbi Baum), and Rinat Yisrael Congregation (Rabbi Adler).
7 Lake County, Wickliffe City Ward 2, Precinct B (Wickliffe Middle School, 29240 Euclid Avenue). Telshe Yeshiva borders on Lake and Cuyahoga Counties.
8 Passaic County, City of Passaic, Ward 3 (School #3, Ahavas Ctr, School #1, Senior Ctr, School #3).
1 | nuchem Israel, Sunday Nov 23, 2008
Just goes to show how the masses are pluralistically ignorant after all.
Already indirect meetings are held or proposed ranging from Iran to Hamas.
And appointees who are soft on above enemies are being appointed.
Kouchner is shocked at Obama's willingness to deal directly with Iran etc.
2 | elliot--usa, Monday Nov 24, 2008
mccain,not palin, was th weak candidate, although educated women seem to resent gov palin--jealousy as near as i can tell from the venality and venom of the media critique of her
3 | Zev, Ann Arbor, MI, Monday Dec 01, 2008
Your analysis that, "the Obama-bad-for-Israel campaign didn't really work with Orthodox voters" is plausible, but not exclusive. There are, in any election, at least two variables--candidate A and candidate B. The evidence of Bush's pro-Israel stance may have drawn Orthodox voters away from Kerry, who was not seen as particularly anti-Israel. McCain may not have had the same clear perception of pro-Israel leanings and was only able to pull Bush-like numbers because of the fear mongering that weighted Obama's numbers down.
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