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Sunday Jul 26, 2009
The Other View: Netanyahu's Conditions
Posted by Ziad Abu Zayyad
Comments: 111
    
Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu recently stated that Israel would accept the idea of an Israel-Palestinian peace only after the Palestinians agreed to five conditions. His conditions are: recognition of Israel as a Jewish state, Palestinian agreement that a peace treaty ends all claims against Israel, no Palestinian refugees are to be allowed to return to Israeli territory, a demilitarized Palestinian state, and an international recognition of the demilitarization. Besides these, Israeli sources claimed Netanyahu had refused a Palestinian demand to renew the negotiations. Netanyahu stated clearly in the Knesset that the separation wall would never be removed or changed. According to him, it prevented Palestinian attacks and assured the security of Israel. Netanyahu's conditions represent a new approach to directing the conflict with the Palestinians. They will be almost impossible to agree to as they contradict demands which the Palestinians consider to be the heart of the conflict. Not only that, but Netanyahu also makes these demands at a time when Israel refuses to take even the simplest step to improve the peace process. The Israeli government stated clearly that building settlements in east Jerusalem is not illegal and does not contravene any law since east Jerusalem is considered a part of the united Jerusalem, the capital of Israel. So what Netanyahu is offering is a chance for the Palestinians to forget about east Jerusalem as their capital, accept the "logic" and agree to the existence of Israeli settlements in the West Bank, completely ignore the right of millions of Palestinian refugees who are living in bad conditions and camps after being kicked of their houses, immediately agree to recognize Israel as a Jewish state, forgive all the war criminals and agree to not pursue any claim against them, and establish a state which will be a backyard for Israel, which can be entered whenever the latter wants. Well this sounds like an attractive offer in the eyes of the Israeli leadership, and in the future the Palestinians will be blamed for not accepting it, exactly as Olmert and Barak blamed Arafat and Abu Mazen for not agreeing to their similar offers, which only differed in the way they were said or written. The question here is about what the Palestinians can really hope to achieve through negotiations with such a government, which has reached the peak of arrogance. Not only the United States, but also France, Germany, Russia and many other countries have demanded Israel stop its current actions if it really wants peace with the Arab world. Prime Minister Netanyahu demands a full recognition of Israel as a Jewish state, but forgets about the Palestinian demand that Israel at least admit it caused the deportation of thousands of Palestinians, the deaths of their family members and the life which they live today; in camps, with no nationality or any of the human rights which the free world demands for every human. Netanyahu wants a demilitarized Palestinian state which will simply be an organization responsible for social services, with no independence or control of any territory. Settlements in the West Bank are to be kept and those in east Jerusalem to be expanded, while the Palestinians will have to be satisfied with the cities they live in currently. Netanyahu demands Palestinians agree to end any claims against Israel once a peace treaty, which would be written by Israel alone, is agreed to. All crimes are to be forgotten and all criminals forgiven, while Palestinian political prisoners are to remain incarcerated in Israel. I wonder whether Israel has forgiven, or will ever forgive, anyone who committed a crime against one of its citizens, or against any Jew. This offer only serves to convince the Palestinians it would be better to shut down any peace negotiations and live under occupation, since its goal is not to reach an agreement between Palestinians and the Israelis but rather only to further Israel's interests. The only good point in Netanyahu's policy is that he is being honest about Israel's intentions and interests. In this way, the international community can see clearly who is to blame if once again violence takes the lead in the region. Negotiations are supposed to bring both sides of the conflict into the middle in an attempt to satisfy their demands. The Israeli-Palestinian negotiations are something Israel asked for only to use as another strategy in directing the conflict and pressuring the Palestinians to forget about what they consider reasonable. Netanyahu understands that no peace can be achieved under such conditions, so the real reason for his offer could be to pressure the Palestinians before Israel comes under pressure from the United States and the International community. This could reduce the cost to Israel should he be forced to compromise. Or he could simply be setting conditions he knows will never be agreed to, enabling him to spend his four years in office without making any compromises at all. This Israeli plan is not as safe as it might seem since the Palestinians' situation, and that of the Arab world, is unstable. However, many Israeli leaders are famous for taking risks in launching war rather than taking risks for the sake of peace.
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Avrohom - Israel,
Sunday Jul 26, 2009
Zaid writes that the PM's conditions, "completely ignore the right of millions of Palestinian refugees who are living in bad conditions and camps after being kicked of their houses". First of all, the responsibility to alleviate these conditions of these people belongs to Arabs, not to Israel. Arabs use their brethren as pawns and it is not our issue. Most of these people were kicked out of their dwellings by Arabs, not by Israel. And the ones in the camps from 67 are completely the responsibility of Arab aggression. The bottom line is the PM's conditions make sense.
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Akiva Avrohum, Manhattan, NY,
Sunday Jul 26, 2009
The Palestinian problem was caused by the arab states trying to destroy the State of Israel. The rich arab countries have done nothing to help their poor arab brothers build up the west bank and Gaza. The Palestinians are the pawns being used by the arabs to make Israel look like the bad one. I do not see Israeli arabs trying to leave Israel to live in the West Bank or other arab countries. This is because they know that they have it better in a democratic Israel than in dictator run arab countries! Mr. Zayyad should thank G-d that there is an Israel that he can live,work and speak free in !
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Stan Goodman - Israel,
Sunday Jul 26, 2009
Abu Zayyad doesn't discuss the conditionsl, but only laments that they are impossible for Palestinians to meet (about which he is probably right). Why does "Palestine" announce that it is to be an "Arab and Muslim" state, yet refuse Israel to be a Jewish one? Where is there a historical example of descendants of "refugees" (most of whom fled on the order of invading Arab armies in 1948? Or an example of the refugees themselves being made to languish in camps for over 60 years? Does he expect us to commit suicide by being overwhelmed by millions of his hostile people? We would like to know.
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Timothy Wile, Lansdale, PA, USA,
Sunday Jul 26, 2009
This is crap! No leader in his or her right mind would permit more than a million persons hostile to the very existence of the nation to settle there. Most of those refugees were not "kicked out of their homes" but urged to leave by Arab leaders in 1948 who assured them that they would return in a few weeks afer the Jews were kicked out. The "refugee" problem is caused exclusively by the Arab countries who refuse to allow their Arab brethern the simple rights to resume their lives in Arab countries, using them instead as pawns and bargaining chips. There is no right of return, period.
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John R. NYC USA,
Sunday Jul 26, 2009
I agree with Mr Zayyad in several respects, First, under international law the settlements are a violation
clearly under the Fourth Geneva Convention. Israel cannot and should not try to violate international law
especially when alternate means exist to guarantee their own security. Religious grounds are not justification. Second, the Palestinians who either owned
homes or simply lived within pre-1948 Israel deserve compensation. This was addressed in a 1995 memo of understanding between Yossi Beilin and Mahmood Abbas, where equitable monetary compensation was paid.
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muslim,
Sunday Jul 26, 2009
The Palestinians should turn towards Egypt,Jordan,Syria,Saudi Arabia,Iraq and Yemen ...and tell them "look you pushed us to war-you all have a responsibility in what happened to our families.Why are we living in camps like animals while Iraqi-Egyptian-Lybian-Algerian-Yemenite-Jordanian Jews are living freely in Israel...why?You Arab dictators played with our imbecile leaders for decades and now you are washing your hands of your responsibility in our tragedy."Israeli problems are Israeli problems and Arab problems are Arab problems.Isn't it time to stop this bullshit?
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G Marcus, Israel,
Sunday Jul 26, 2009
WB Arabs face only 2 real choices: (a) Hamas rule, (b) Jordanian rule.
Fatah option is none other than State Dept fiction, since only power preventing WB from becoming another Gaza under Hamas is the Israeli army.
Solutions:
- Gaza: Under linkage to Egypt, turned into Dubai-like indl/comml hub on East Med;
- WB: Partially federated with Jordan; safeguarding security & settlements for Israel, demographics for Arabs, holy sites for both.
2-State Plan doesn't make sense only if you think its aim is Peace. It makes a lot of sense if you realize its aim is to destroy Israel.
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Ziad Khalil Abu Zayyad,
Sunday Jul 26, 2009
i do have a cuse and dream which lead me in what i write. I am not afraid to speak whether i am in irael or any other place in the world. i do speak about Israel' mistakes and the Arab's mistakes. Israel is not doing me a favour because i am speaking while i am under its occupation. It is not really as dimocratic as you describe it specialy with the recent laws that assures punihing arab israeli citizens only if they express their feeling about the "Nakba" the day they were kicked and attacked. Beside this thre are other minorities insie israel who are suffering such as foriegn workers
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Ed NYC,
Sunday Jul 26, 2009
You are now leaving earth's atmosphere. Welcome to "Palestine."
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Ziad Khalil Abu Zayyad,
Sunday Jul 26, 2009
and orthodox jews. Israel's democratic policy included assasinating and imprisoning Palestinian members of the Paletinian parliament because of there opinions. International Law is not important in the eyes of Israel so d not give me lessons about democracy. As for you Avrohom , it is not the Arab's mission to send a gift for Israel and turn all the palestinian refugees into citizens. there homeland is in Palestine. I am really sorry and i bame the Arabs for their ignorance when they decided to kick out the arab jews from their homes. they must return to their homes too.
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John,
Sunday Jul 26, 2009
No matter, it's always Israel's fault. Israel offered the Palestinians 90-95% of what they wanted - they refused it outright and punsihed Israel for it. Later, Israel left Gaza and booted out its own citizens - again, Israel was punished by the Palestinians for that. So, please remind me, who is the one refusing to negotiate? Zaid, you are blind as a bat. It's time the Palestinians show some good gesture. Till they bother, they cannot be trusted.
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Paul Sinclair , England,
Sunday Jul 26, 2009
As a White Christian Englishman , I wish to appologise to the people of Israel for Britains betrayal of its writen comitment in the Balfour Declaration to establish a Jewish State after the defeat of Turkey in WW1. Instead of establishing a Jewish State we created , along with the French , a number of fantasy Arab states on biblical Israels land - Jordan , Iraq , Lebanon & Syria. On the remaining Land , which we named Palestine in order to insult the Jews , we misruled in order to protect the Suez Canal . The Arabs have no claim Legal or Moral Palestine which ended in 1948 & is now Israel.
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Jean - Georgia,
Sunday Jul 26, 2009
Finally, the demands are laid on the table. They sure seem 'unreasonable' to me - NOT. Considering the PLO (Hamas, or its other face, Fatah) charter calls for NO State of Israel, NO Jews anywhere in the Mideast, I think the terms are very reasonable. Always the 'millions' are thrown into the mix as if Israel were to blame. What about the countless Arabs living in illegal houses built illegally on Israel land? They pay no taxes, offer nothing of substance to the welfare of either Israel, or to their poor arab brothers. The PA/PLO has had their chance-they 'muftied' it because of hatred.
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Victor Galindo,
Sunday Jul 26, 2009
Instead of using the mosque on the Temple Mount as an 'icon' for this dribble, a swastika would have been more appropriate. There are many real Jews who understand that there will not be peace until many dozens of years of neo-Nazi propaganda are removed from the minds of the average Arab. Only then will it be possible for well intentioned Arab leaders to seek a just and real peace - without being murdered. That day is very very far off.
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So Cal Mike,
Sunday Jul 26, 2009
Abu Zayed has the same problem afflicting so many Palestinians who can't seem to open their mouths without obliterating and mutilating truth.
The Palestinians weren't kicked out of their homes. They bailed out at a time the Israelis needed help against 5 invading Arab armies. And what gall to demand the fictitious "right of return" when demanding at the same time that any future Palestinian state be devoid of Jews.
If I were the Israelis, I'd tell you to go pound sand. They've done far better to the Palestinians than these ingrates will ever do in return or even acknowledge.
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JMK,
Sunday Jul 26, 2009
If the Arabs wanted peace there would be peace but they are still at war, it is clear that their failure to accept a peace treaty in 1967 is that they are still fighting the 1948 war. There really is nothing to talk about and nobody to talk to. There needs to be some common ground, comon culture, common understanding for two individual, peoples, nations to come to the table, that does not exist. There is no common objective and for the Israelis it is like talking to Hilter.
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Gina, USA,
Sunday Jul 26, 2009
"Taking risks in launching war rather than taking risks for the sake of peace". What? Launching war? Israel was attacked, rather than the other way around, in '48, '67, 73 by Arab states. Israel fought wars of defense. In 2000 Israel offered the PLO 98% of what they asked, incl. a Palestinian state with E. Jerusalem as its capital! It was refused & PLO launched intafada against Israeli civilians! Israel gave Gaza in '05 as 'land for peace', which as you well know was a huge risk for Israel AND STILL IS! Gaza has aimed 1000's of rockets at Israeli civilians! Took risks but no peace! Enough!!
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Avrohom - Israel,
Monday Jul 27, 2009
How can there be millions of Arabs who live in the camos who were kicked out of their homes? There were not millions of Arabs in all of the British Palestinian Mandate west of the Jordan River. This is a typical spin on truth that, unfortunately, even people like Zaid uses to distort the issue. Zaid, it really does not matter how you spin it, the only people who are refugees, whether because the Arabs drove them out or they feld during the war, are the individuals who lived here, not their descendents. Go count again please.
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Robert, NY, NY, USA,
Monday Jul 27, 2009
I agree with both of the above posts. Mr. Zayyad should indeed be grateful for the democratic state of Israel. It is he who has prospered under a Jewish lead government. He has had the great fortune of having the freedom to live, pray and study in a fee society. Yes, Mr. Zayyad should thank G-d for the State of Israel !
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Helen_USA,
Monday Jul 27, 2009
Prayer works_commit to praying for the peace of Jerusalem and there will be world peace, which will include Israel-Palestinian peace. Heaven never sleeps...and is watching everyone, everywhere.
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Vladimir,
Monday Jul 27, 2009
This is so ridiculous article that it is even difficult to comment. The pile of propagandistic garbage filled with lies, distortions, slander, sleazy whining etc., etc. Not worth to replay, however very characteristic of Arab propaganda.
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Shalom, Cherry Hill,
Monday Jul 27, 2009
Grow up and realize that actions have consequences. Israel accepted partition in 1948, the Arabs did not--and most of the refugees left voluntarily to allow the Arab invaders to kill the Jews more easily. If there hadn't been suicide bombings there wouldn't be a wall. You ignore the fact that Israel withdrew from Gaza--and got rocket attacks in return. Lets also not forget the Arab murders of Jews even before 1948. While we're on the topic, we can also see how Christians and other minorities are treated throughout the Muslim majority countries of the Mid East. Go cry to someone else.
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Morton Friedman Lanham, MD,
Monday Jul 27, 2009
Did Israel deprt or kick out thousands of Arabs, or did they, like Abu Mazen, leave under their own volition? How many of those thousands were kicked out of Jordan (black September)? What constitutes a 'political' prisoner? Are those who engage in terrorism 'political'? Obviously they now have no 'nationality', take note of recent Jordanian actions, and the attitude of Egypt. What 'rights' are they entitled to? Rights fall under Law, what Law is the writer referring to? Note that every system of Law defines the rights of law-abiding citizens, and maintains the right to abrogate 'rights' .
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Commander, Toronto Canada,
Monday Jul 27, 2009
You can fool some people part of the time, but you can't fool all the people all of the time! The "facts" that you omit, or those that you twist, to define the "Palestinian" condition, is not only galling, but an insult to every knowledgeable person. Why, when the opportunities were available did you keep your "people" in refugee camps? Why has your "leadership" received millions in aid $'s to better the lives of
your brethren, yet you hide the moneys abroad to fatten their own accounts? Why didn't you absorb your people as we did, when they were forced to flee their birth countries? Why..
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dfjdkljfkldjglsd,
Monday Jul 27, 2009
zionist should go onword with settlements anywhere near israel proper or conditional areas of question .......that goes without saying that islamist go anywhere in the world with little or no conditions or restrictions so the unfair standard between the two groups should be ended as soon as possile.....
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Frank Wilson , England,
Monday Jul 27, 2009
I would like to 2nd Paul Sinclairs comment on 26/07 re: Britains owing the people of Israel an appology for reneging on the Balfour Declaration. Like him I am a White Christian Englisman. My late grandfather was a soldier in WW1 & served with Gen. Allenby's army , fighting in the campaign from Egypt all the way to Damascus. My Late Father too was a soldier in WW2 serving in the 8th Army in
the dessert & Italy & stayed a number of times on leave in Tel Aviv & Nataniya - despite the war he had fond memories of his time in Israel & like me has been on holiday in Israel many times.
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Chris USA,
Monday Jul 27, 2009
Poor Abu Zayed are you so blinded by the spittle of your arab brothers that you fail to see their contempt for their "palestinian" brothers? Do you not know that palestinians are reaping what they have sown? Until you know the truth you will never find justice. Everywhere are boasts and lies all in the name of honor which they disparage with their deeds. With the morning comes judgment when everyone's deeds are made manifest. Everything has both a value and a cost, even justice. Never are they the same.
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Ziad Khalil abu zayyad,
Monday Jul 27, 2009
Arohom, they are refugees and their childen are refugees like them. As for the majoity of you...it is really Israel's leadership pride and arogance which will cause more disasters for the Israeli people. The whole world is not wrong but Israel is wrong and the whole world can see this....Jews easily condemn anyone of anti semi only if he disagrees with you, you are till charging Grmny for what the Nazis did, but Palestinians will have to shut their mouth and bles you on the massacres which were made and the current occupation? this ainst busineess between god and you and there will be no
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Ziad Khalil Abu zayyad,
Monday Jul 27, 2009
no peace until you give the Palestinian their rights.This will take time but ooner or later it ill happen. The hate and use of religious will vanish exactly as racism against African Americans vanished. It ill take time until you are convinced that occupation is wrong and that land must be divided to get real peace but sooner or later you will understand this. Israel's psychological problem of fr that causes the disasters it brings on itelf must vanish I do not think that Israelis want to live another war which is wider than the last war in Lebanon.. real intentions, compromise, from both sides
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Avrohom - Israel,
Monday Jul 27, 2009
Zaid #10, you worte, "I am really sorry and i bame the Arabs for their ignorance when they decided to kick out the arab jews from their homes. they must return to their homes too." Sorry to tell you that you are a fool. We have no intention to returning to our diapora and if you think that is the solution, you are the crux of the problem, not part of the solution. Israel is our indisputable eternal homeland. Live with it. Either you find a way to accept that or you play the role your people has chosen to play for centuries and centuries; the looser. Must return. re you crazy!
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ziad khalil abu zayyad,
Monday Jul 27, 2009
Avrohom i am sorry that you find no other word than fool to describe me...this shows your weakness and foolishness. I do not live upon your facts and fiction world. You try to convince yourself that you are right and we are fools and ignorant. I ain't crazy and i believe that Israelis and Palestinians must live in peace only by reaching an agreement which is on the bases of two states solutions with an outcome that will be good for both the Israeli and Palestinian demands. I aint a looser :) if i was a looser i would be someone who agrees with you and do not disagree with you. Although you
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Ziad Khalil Abu Zayyad,
Monday Jul 27, 2009
you became angry when i said what i said about the Jewish refugees i find nothing else to tell you! Once you blame me for what the Arabs did then now you call me a fool and crazy because i say that it is their right to return back to their homes...it seems that you are not balanced since no answer satisfies you. However, you should know that i am different from you because i recognize your existence although you do not and i want to see an Israeli and Palestinian state living side by side but you do not! I want a peace agreement made by both sides and not designed as you wish alone. Grow Up!
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Ray Saperstein, Baltimore,MD,
Monday Jul 27, 2009
Please explain why having East Jerusalem as a capital is so important to Palestinians. East Jerusalem was never a capital of any Arab country. When Arabs controlled East Jerusalem from 1948 to 1967, no Arab leaders made a special point of going there. No religious leaders made a special point of going there either. It seems to me that the Palestinians want part of Jerusalem just because Israel has it.
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Bob Fruehling USA,
Monday Jul 27, 2009
Please Pal. people make peace with Israel Individually and corp. If not, you will not have enough living to bury the dead. I give warning and speak as a friend. Ezekiel 38 & 39.
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Gina, USA,
Monday Jul 27, 2009
To Ziad, #29, "real intentions, compromise, from both sides" has been tried by Israel but hasn't worked! For example, in 2000 Israel offered PLO 98% of what they wanted with a first-ever Palestinian state (there had NEVER been one before!) & E Jerusalem as its capital. PLO's response was to refuse it & to wage intifada to kill Israelis! In 2005 Israel took all its inhabitants out of Gaza & gave it over in the DEAL of land for peace with intention of procuring peace. Peace? The PLO didn't keep their side of the bargain. They simply use Gaza as a launching pad to fire rockets to kill Israelis!
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Ziad Khalil Abu Zayyad,
Monday Jul 27, 2009
Ray if this is the only answer you find for the Arabs demand to take part of JErusalem as a capital then this is really a problem. Arabs always have been in Jerusalem and controlled Jerusalem. You know...forget about history...today East Jerusalem is populated with Palestinians and all of its part is arab although Israel was trying to change it into a jewish place it did not succeed in doing this. We want to control ourselves and to end an occupation which the world is really tired of. We want peace that will only be made by compromises from both sides. The dream of United Jerusalem is a lie.
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Avrohom - Israel,
Monday Jul 27, 2009
Zaid, I am sorry if your solution includes Jews going back to hostile lands from which we were kicked out of and you accept such a solution as anything other than foolishness. Only fools accept such nonsense. If this hurts you, look in the mirror, don't yell at me. I do not try to convince myself of anything regarding you. I let your words lead to the logical understanding. Zaid, you twist everything into pretzels of intellectual corruption. You uphold Arab rights to return to their homes but deny us rights to return to our land. Intellectual rot! You want 2 states, ours is Jewish.
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bruce/usa.,
Monday Jul 27, 2009
ezekiel 38-39 will happen before ezekiel 37- then the nations will see israel restored generation by generation all the way back before their eyes ; the trouble will serve as a lasting lesson of YHWH 's love and power towards all mankind.
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IBBY,
Monday Jul 27, 2009
WAKE UP, WE ALL KNOW VIOLENCE BEGETS , ISNT IT ABOUT TIME YOU ISRAELIS OPEN YOUR EYES AND NOTICE YOU DO HAVE A STATE ,ISRAEL ,WITH A CAPITAL CALLED TEL AVIV.ITS GONE TO YOUR HEADS,YOU HAVE DESTROYED THE LAND YOU WERE FIGHTING FOR ,KILLED INNOCENT PEOPLE,AND GIVEN A BLEEK FUTURE FOR YOURE OWN SIBLINGS.THE INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY ARE FED UP WITH THE WAY YOU HAVE HANDLED THE OCCUPATION OF PALESTINE,AND THE CREATION OF ISRAEL WAS ONLY MEANT TO BE SIDE BY SIDE WITH PALESTINE.SO LETS GET TO IT ,BECAUSE ALOT OF LIFE AND TIME HAS BEEN WASTED.
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Elana,
Monday Jul 27, 2009
Zaiis 32: You say that you want Israel and a Palastinian state living side by side in peace ,this was offered to your leaders which they refused. However you insist on the right of return and want all the "settlers' to leave the West Bank. In other words you want 3 Palastinians states; ONE JORDAN THAT HAS A POPULATION OF 70% PALASTINIANS , THE WEST BANK JEW FREE AND '"ISRAEL"" with the new demographics from the influx of one and half million PALASTINIANS REFUGEES. Perhaps you should be more clear of you intentions you want all of ISRAEL.
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Avrohom - Israel,
Monday Jul 27, 2009
IBBY,#39, you may scream and jump up and down and rant all you want, but until you actually accept that you are clueless you will remain ignorant and meaningless in this discussion. Our capital is Jerusalem. A nation is allowed to choose its capital and we do not need your insolance about it. In case you have missed the past 60 years, the only people who have stopped a two state solution are Arabs. This is fact even if it upsets your sense of hatred and bias. We accepted a 2 state solution and Arabs never staopped attacking us. What part of these facts do you not understand, ignornant one?
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Tammy, USA,
Monday Jul 27, 2009
Israel, we don't know what you see in your media, but we see clearly how our president and media is turning against you. We believe he is truly a Muslim and I don't think Clinton has ever been pro-Israel either. I just to apologize from millions in America for our president to believe you should agree with him or that you don't really want peace. We, as true Christians, believe God gave Israel and about a zillion additional acres that are currently under Arab rule to you. Don't give one inch of land and stand for Abraham's blessing. God bless you. Let another country take them in!
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Shelley Corrin, Montreal, Canada,
Tuesday Jul 28, 2009
Ziad correctly gives us the view from where he sits. It is not to be expected that Israelis can muster either the empathy or even the vision to see where the " other" is coming from. I find it sad that Israel cannot see that a diktat, where all the variables are in the hands of the power, is a non-starter. And an insult.
Fact is, only a good peace is in Israel's interest. Remember Versailles?
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JMJ,
Tuesday Jul 28, 2009
THE ONLY THING I SEE, IS WHAT HAS BEEN IN THE MIDDLE OF JER(USA)LEM. I BELIEVE THE USA HAS THE POWER TO KEEP JERUSALEM TOGETHER OR TO SPLIT IT APART JERU(S)ALEM
(SPLIT)
GOD WILL JUDGE OUR NATION, IF WE SEPARATE HIS PEOPLE (SEPARATE)
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Ziad Khalil Abu Zayyad,
Tuesday Jul 28, 2009
Avrohom you are a hypocrite and an ignorant...do you know why? because you play with words and try to look as if you believe in the two stataes so0lution then suddenl you say that Jerusalem is your own capital. Keep on dreaming because in reality and until today Jerusalem has never been your united capital and it will never be. you claim illusions based on fictional storis about Jerusalem. What today standsis the second holiest place for Muslims in the world in the heart of East Jerusalem. If you want to play with fire with more than a milliard Muslim then go ahead and keep on playing
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Ziad khalil Abu Zayyad,
Tuesday Jul 28, 2009
\you ll be the LOOSER. Me and my family have been living in Jerusalem for seven hundred years...niether you nor any Israeli fool leader will make me move from here...you must understand this FACT and remember what you suffered when FOOL Israeli leaders tried to make some changes in East Jerusalem....It was and it is and it will stay an ARAb capital...Never dream of it...On the other side because i am not a racist and i am not a fascist respect your right in WEST Jerusalem and your right to of worshiping God in your holy places....you seem to be a young fanatic so no more discussion with YOU
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Avrohom - Israel,
Tuesday Jul 28, 2009
Zaid, you give yourself away so easliy. I never said anything about 'you' being forced to leave Jerusalem. Arab capital, since when? It never was. I do not 'suddenly' say Jerusalem is our capital. Jerusalem is our capital eternally, always was, always will be. Nothin has changed simply because occupiers have dwelled in our land for 2000 years, or just 700 years. Our right is on all of Jerusalem, including Har Habayit. You 'allow' us to worship in our holy places, but you exclude THE holy place? Hypocrite. Of course you will not discuss with me because you are pressed for facts you do not like.
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Avrohom - Israel,
Tuesday Jul 28, 2009
Zaid, we really do not need your permission to control our capital or our Har HaBayit. Arab spin and propaganda about us not having an unbroken heritage to heart of world is disgusting. There is not going to be any agreement that does include Har HaBayit as our capital. You are the guests here, not us. This is our homeland eternally. Unlike Arabs, we have accepted 'others' having control of parts of our land. This is not even your land and you deny the rightful people rights to it. Until you have a reasonable solution you & your millions of threatening Arabs will remain on the sidelines.
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Gina, USA,
Tuesday Jul 28, 2009
I don't want to add fuel to the fire, but only write to present some facts for clarification. The Jews have had dominion over the land of Israel for 1000 years with a continuous presence there for over 3300 years. For over 3300 years Jerusalem has been the Jewish capital. Jerusalem has never been the capital of any Arab or Muslim entity.Even when the Jordanians occupied Jerusalem, they never sought to make it their capital & Arab leaders did not come to visit. Jerusalem is mentioned over 700 times in Jewish Scriptures. King David founded this city, Mohammed never went there.
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Ziad Khalil Abu Zayyad,
Tuesday Jul 28, 2009
Avrohom...History will make us see...and facts and reality today can make us...you have no control on the Awsa mosque and you will never have...your own governments know that playing with the Aqsa mosque means playing with fire....i respect your right to worship God at the Western Wall...but if you think of removing the Aqsa mosque to build something in its place which no historical proof was found for it. I have proofs and you have proofs, you have your religion and i have mine, but the difference between you and me is that i want to compromise for the sake of peace but you want to keep
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Ziad khalil Abu Zayyad,
Tuesday Jul 28, 2009
you want to keep everything for yourself....Anyways i wish that you can change your mind...I do not want to keep on talking with you because you are asking for everything to be kept for you and nothing for the other side...I want both of us to live in peace while you respect my interests and i respect yours...for everything there is a solution...i must compromise regarding what i consider sacred and you must do the same...i think this is what God really wants from all of us...Do you think that i love to live the life i am living or my people is living? as for you...are you?
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Marsha, visiting Israel for the umpteenth time,
Tuesday Jul 28, 2009
I just got back from a lovely visit to the Old City. Went to the Kotel.(Western Wall) Shopped and had dinner in the brand new Mamilla Mall outside Jaffa Gate. Saw the beautiful new Hurva Synagogue which is being rebuilt in the Jewish Quarter after having been destroyed by the Jordanians in 48. And I gotta tell you something, Ziad. I don't care if you're family has been living there 7,000 years. No part of Jerusalem, from the Temple Mount, down to the spotless underground parking garage at the mall, is ever going to be an arab capital. Israel is constantly building and making it better..
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