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Sunday Jun 28, 2009
Israel no longer nation for Jewish people Posted by Rabbi Seth Farber
Comments: 37
Memo to the board members of the Jewish Agency Re: Israel is no longer a nation for the Jewish people The Jewish Agency has fought hard during the last fifteen years to make conversion to Judaism a reality in Israel. You have invested tens of millions of dollars in the conversion authority, and thousands of hours of dialogue and discussion to be inclusive - all in an effort to stem intermarriage and assimilation in Israel. But conversions are down more than 27% in the past year. And while projections for conversion in the Former Soviet Union (FSU) community in 2008 stood at 5000, 933 immigrants from the FSU converted in that year in the civil conversion authority. If this was a business, the board would shut it down immediately. Especially given the fact that 300,000 Israelis can't get married in their own country. In the past year, commitments were made to you by the (then) prime ,minister, by the (now) justice minister, by the director of the conversion authority, and by MKs and governmental officials. All of them insisted that Israel's Chief Rabbis were a critical hinge in establishing a meaningful halachic conversion system. But in the past weeks, the chief Rabbis had made it clear where they stand. One of them intimated that every conversion in Israel ought be scrutinized for punctilious mitzvot observance, even years after the conversion. He expressed support for rabbis who have annulled conversions, and stood behind marriage registrars who refuse to register converts. And the other chief Rabbi, who was lauded at the Jewish Agency meetings last year as "the solution to the conversion issue?" He has maintained his silence, letting chaos reign. As you were meeting, ten new conversion judges began serving on conversion courts. It probably didn't surprise you to find out that nine of them were from the ultra-Orthodox camp - handpicked by the Chief Rabbi and the Justice Minister. I call upon you - as individuals and as representatives of the Jewish world - to divest yourselves of the festering sore that is the present conversion authority. The solution to our issues does not lie with a group of ultra-Orthodox rabbis who are holding half a million immigrants at bay. Once and for all, stand up and say "No more!" Let me state clearly that divestment comes with responsibility. Unlike many issues which are discussed at the Jewish Agency, the conversion issue is one that you can influence in Israel. We need to reinvent conversion in Israel as part of a dialogue between the modern Orthodox and the Reform and Conservative communities. We should insist that the State of Israel sign on to a modus operandi that will not keep us beholden to the views of a select few. As an Orthodox rabbi, I believe that we can create a conversion system that does not compromise halacha [Jewish Law] in any way, but maximizes transparency, integrity and commitment. We need to set goals and develop a program that will take us there. We cannot afford to wait another six months or a year. In the immediate sense, I believe you can insist that Israeli marriage registrars register converts. In fact, I have proposed a bill in the Knesset that would sanction marriage registrars who refuse to register converts (incredibly, registrars in at least 8 major cities refuse to register converts!) I also believe that we can immediately insist on judicial review within the present authority. In your meetings with conversion authorities, ask to see real statistics, and demand explanations as to why rabbinical court judges who have annulled conversions continue to sit on rabbinical court benches. But over the long term, we need to seek a broader solution. It is possible.
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"Jew",
Sunday Jun 28, 2009
Do you want Israel to end up like American Jewry (or the lack there of)?? I am the son of a Jewish man and a conservative "convert" (still NOT a ger), and I am against ANY plan that "acknowledges", "works with", "integrates", etc the reform/conservative mov'ts. My dad was raised in a non-observant family. They used to be observant but then the reform mov't LIED to them and didn't tell them that with decreased observance comes increased intermarriage. My mother is not a ger and it is all because of these movt's LIES. What they are doing is beyong CRIMINAL.
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David Naor, Herzliya, Israel,
Sunday Jun 28, 2009
If more liberal thinking Jews like Rabbi Farber came to Israel their voice would carry more weight. In the absence of mass aliya from the US, the only other way to deal with the extremist rabbis is to organize the majority of Israel's Jewish population so that their voice can be heard. A thousand organized voices are stronger than a hundred thousand disorganized voices. That's our problem, and that is why the Chief Rabinate is populated by the extremists.
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Pesach,
Sunday Jun 28, 2009
This a travesty that is constantly going somewhere to happen. Cut funding to yeshivot that have connections to these conversion rabbis - send a clear message. I wonder if they would of challenged Ruth's agerot back in the day. Even in Christianity and Islam they don't do this kind of foolishess. No wonder they are fastest growing religions. Thank you Rav Farber for addressing this issue. I think real gist of this is that most born Jews don't care because it doesn't affect them but in Israel where Arabs are 'breeding' numerously, delays in conversions have a profound effect on the populous.
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Ben Aharon l Brooklyn,
Sunday Jun 28, 2009
Rebbele - Beg your pardon - Orthodox Rabbi - would you kindly submit a teshuva on your proposed conversion requirements/procedures,setting out your halachic arguments and reasonings, and submit it to three of the leading halachic authorities. I would start with Rabbi Eliyashiv. If they agreed, that's all you need.
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David Turner,
Sunday Jun 28, 2009
Had not a single anti-Zionist haredi rabbi, an employee of the conversion court, a bureaucrat in the of the secular state of the Jews, not challenged the authority of his own court, the state and people of Israel, the cancer represented by a tiny minority of zealots would be dismissed as just another scream of despair and impotence by a tiny anti-Israel fringe. But this time the mouse that roared displayed teeth. By excommunicating thousands of Jews lawfully converted under the authority of the conversion court,
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David Turner,
Sunday Jun 28, 2009
Sherman threw down the gauntlet to the Government of Israel, the character of the state, and to the legitimacy of Israelis and Jews worldwide not accepting his narrow and misanthropic vision of religion and peoplehood.
Sherman has forced Israel to confront the question, Who is a Jew, and what are the obligations of the state of the Jews towards its citizens, the vast majority of whom are not Da*ati, How Israeli politicians respond to Sherman will define Israel for many years to come.
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Avraham (Larry) Kallus,
Sunday Jun 28, 2009
The headline attached to Rabbi Farber's article ("Israel no longer nation for Jewish people") does not seem justified by the article and does seem very irresponsible. This paper ought to strengthen the ties of friendship and emotion between Israel and the Diaspora. Don't let the desire for an attention-grabbing headline lead you astray. People get worked up over 1 issue or another that is important to them and lose site of the big picture and the navigational destinations. Don't fall into that trap.
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David, Manchester,
Sunday Jun 28, 2009
Pesach #4. That's the problem with giving no funding to the Yeshivot. You can't cut it!
Rabbi Farber, you represent the Orthodox Opinion, which religion?
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ralph, toronto,
Sunday Jun 28, 2009
if conversion is left in the hands of the orthodox we all loose. then hillel losses the age old argument. being to tribal will be the end of us.
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Don from Palatine,
Monday Jun 29, 2009
#1--Learn your history. Again you are another jealous gentile eager to revise history
and deny us Jews. If it was't for us Jews , you would still be living in your
cave in Europe. Write that in your history book.
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Yaakov Zelig,
Monday Jun 29, 2009
I am dissappointed that the JPost would publish such anti-semitic drivel as the opinion of Duncan Lennox. No archeologist has said there was no Moses, Exodus, Joshua, etc. We Jew's are not Canaanites. Why does the Jpost allow these Jew haters on the website? Does Duncan believe his JC existed. After all JC, was a Rabbi and lived and died a Jew, not a
Christian. Judaism had a code of law, when Lennox's ancestors lived in caves.
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Ben Plonie, Chutz La'Aretz,
Monday Jun 29, 2009
Sherman is no kind of Orthodox. He has the cart and the horse backwards. The problem is not in converting immigrants. The problem is in immigrating converts. There is an existing Orthodox system for citizenship in the Jewish nation: Natural born citizens (Jewish mother at minimum), naturalized citizens (ger tzedek), and resident aliens (ger toshav). They all have the same civil law according to the Torah. That's the Orthodox way.
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Chris USA,
Monday Jun 29, 2009
Perhaps it would be better to expose the reasons that such conversions are being systematically stifled and by whom. What purpose does this serve and what effects it has on both Israel and the Diaspora. There may be a common ground which is yet to be discovered here.
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#10 DON FROM PALATINE,
Monday Jun 29, 2009
So by agreeing with me by calling me a gentile, you agree that the reform/conservative mov'ts are systematically eliminating countless future generations of Jews by purposely negating Observance which always leads to intermarriage? You call me a gentile so you must then agree with me that my mother's conservative "conversion" is not valid and the fact that I went to hebrew school 4 days a week, had a bar mitzvah, was VP of my college Hillel, etc means absolutely nothing because I am still not a Jew. I am undergoing an OBSERVANT conversion to right the wrongs of the reform/conservative movts.
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Boris, Jerusalem,
Monday Jun 29, 2009
This is a false flag discussion. Citizen should have rights, and the fact that we don't have secular marriage in Israel is a real disgrace, not the way in which Orthodox rabies (yep, a good pune if I ever saw one) decide who is a Jew. Take your conversions, stuff them and give up your monopoly on our family life.
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Elise USA,
Monday Jun 29, 2009
All I know is that the rabbinate in Israel is systematically destroying the relationship between Israel and the rest of the Jewish world. By not recognizing the significance of other forms of Judaism they reject the majority of the world's Jews and many of their offspring. These children could die for the Jewish people but cannot be themselves considered Jewish according to the Israeli rabbinate.
Israel needs to go back to its founding and remember why there is the Law of Return, and as Ben Gurion said, a Jew is anyone crazy enough to stand up and tell the world that they are a Jew
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Duncan Lennox,
Monday Jun 29, 2009
To;#11 | Yaakov Zelig, Israelites=Canaanites per Israeli archaeologists = No Covenant or Promised land.
Sorry Yaakov. Per Israel Finkelstein & his arch team from Tel Aviv U. "In the text, you have the story of the Israelites coming from outside, & then besieging the Canaanite cities, destroying them & then becoming a nation in the land of Canaan, whereas archaeology tells us something which is the opposite. According to archaeology, the rise of early Israel is an outcome of the collapse of Can`ite society, not the reason for that collapse. " ie No Exodus,Moses ,Joshua or divine right
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Elizabeth, London, England,
Monday Jun 29, 2009
There should be no pressure for conversion on Israel's non-Jewish citizens. They should be entitled to full civil rights, including the right to civil marriage. Israeli law barring inter-religious marriage should be annulled in favor of a law allowing people to marry whomever they choose. Please keep in mind that the issue is not merely immigrants from the FSU or partners of American Jews who moved to Israel; it is also the thousands of Israelis who are not considered Jewish by the Rabbinate and are not allowed to marry (the 'psulei hitun'). Religion is a private matter, civil rights are not.
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Claudia, Tampa FL, USA,
Monday Jun 29, 2009
Gees, I am really confused. How does anyone decide who is a Jew when the conditions keep changing? If you are not careful you could end up like some of us Christians that believe what we want to, hence the "Church of Claudia" & other foolishness. Surely you don't want to be that unstructured. But seriously there is something terribly wrong when a young Jewish Yemenite emigrant killed in the service of his chosen country, Israel, cannot be buried in a Jewish cemetery because some orthodox rabbi has deemed him "not Jewish enough". That to me is a sin! Remember, secular Jews formed the state.
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#16 I'm the product of your "other forms of Judaism",
Monday Jun 29, 2009
GOOGLE THE HADASSAH STUDY "'MATRILINEAL ASCENT/PATRILINEAL DESCENT" THE NUMBERS SAY IT ALL ABOUT THE REFORM/CONSERVATIVE. Those "other forms of Judaism" are already mass producing gentile grandchildren at an alarming rate and they have very little attachment to Israel and identify as "cultural Jews" and we all know what that consists of (the occasional visit to the Hillel house for a bagel brunch and a love of Wood Allen...oh, and observant Jews are to be ridiculed and called "intolerant, racist, hateful, etc" for holding true to Torah)
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moshe,
Monday Jun 29, 2009
Why should the rabbinate even exist, much less dictate who is or is not allowed to marry? Disband and de-fund these medieval fanatics and let every member of the public decide which rabbi he or she wants to follow and fund through donations. The tiny minority who will voluntarily follow Eliya$hiv and his gang of corrupt loonies can go sit in their ghetto and anathemise real Jews to their heart's content, while us normal people go on with normal lives
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Frank G,
Monday Jun 29, 2009
This clean-shaven young man with the teensy weensy yarmulka hidden from view is lobbying for passage of the Phony Russian Convert Protection Act. He says, "reinvent conversion in Israel as part of a dialogue between the modern Orthodox and the Reform and Conservative communities"? Really! In the espionage business that is known as a mole.
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john,
Tuesday Jun 30, 2009
50-1000 years ago becoming Jewish was relatively easy. The person would go to a Rabbi and say he/she wished to convert. The Rabbi would try to talk the person out of it. If the person persisted the Rabbi would teach him/her the laws, always leaving the door open to change their mind. Finally, the person was converted and all Jews agreed. Suddenly things are different. You have a bunch of extremist saying NO! But, has anything really changed?? Actually, nothing has changed. All along the requirements have been the same. That is that the person agrees to all the laws.
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john,
Tuesday Jun 30, 2009
PART 2
Years ago become Jewish was so out of the norm that it was easily assumed that any convert was serious and the Rabbi did not have to investigate. But, if a question would have arisen then they would have been investigated, just like today. However, today there are other motivating factors that necessitate automatic investigation. The “extremist” Rabbis are simple doing their job. No different then 1000s of years ago.
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john,
Tuesday Jun 30, 2009
Those that suggest that each person should choose the rabbi of their flavor ignore the ultimate damage that will result. Eventually you will not have one Jewish People, just like you do not have one Muslim or Christian People. It is vital to maintain one solid understanding as to what it means to be Jewish. No one states that a person must be Jewish, but at least if that is your true wish lets maintain unity.
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Bob Fruehling,
Tuesday Jun 30, 2009
This Non-Jewish man means no disrespect by this question, but: Was this type of infighting going on in the camps? If someone, anyone, even me, is willing to fight for 'The Hope' doesn't that count for more than the opinions of men? In reality is not all of Jewish Israel still in the same camp? Forgive this fool for rushing in.
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Arnold Harris; Mount Horeb WI USA,
Tuesday Jun 30, 2009
The only real Jews, in my judgement, are those working to rebuild the Jewish nation on the soil of Golan, Yehuda and Shomron; with guns and live ammunition in their hands, and prepared to shoot to kill anyone who comes to tear down their Jewish village. Simple as that. Without Zion, there is no Judaism.
Arnold Harris
Mount Horeb WI USA
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Bob, Washington DC,
Tuesday Jun 30, 2009
Bravo, Rabbi Farber! There needs to be a compromise that does not viligy either side of the
argument. However, the Chief Rabbis have abused their authority.
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efraim fishel,
Tuesday Jun 30, 2009
The Jewish Agency has in past administrations,brought totally non jewish immigratiion to Israel ,and registered these people as Jews
.During several years of low immigration,from late 1970s to vearly 1980s Indian gentiles even Muslims were sent from Bombay to Israel.This was organized by the Jewish Agencys' office in Jerusalem, to increase "Olim".
A very brave individual worker from the Jewish agency stopped this operation.
The problem with 300,000 plus Russians non Jewish immigrants and others,,was formulated and exacuted by the Jewish Agency
It is now to time to fix this
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Michal, Israel,
Friday Jul 03, 2009
I think there is some confusion because of the difference between the Halachic definition of who is a Jew and the political definition given in the Israeli law of return. Israel should have a separate immigration procedure for those who are not covered by the L of R but wish to come and live or work in Israel. This will stop 'aliya' abuses. As to the Rabbinate, the sooner the losing deal Ben-Gurion struck with the Ultra-Orthodox is unravelled the better for all of us.
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pierre,
Sunday Jul 05, 2009
commentor #20"product of your other forms of Judaism"; the constant reiteration of a Charedi-doctored statistical essay has overwhelmed the revisions to the data - and the presentation of the data in their fullness - which can be viewed here;
[ Link to page ]
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Akiva Avrohum, Manhattan, NY,
Tuesday Jul 21, 2009
Funny thing is that the Orthodox Rabbinate in Israel does not even recognize the Orthodox Rabbinate in the United States, or any other country, in reference to having the authority to convert people to Judaism ! Look, its not a matter of who is Jewish or is it being done properly, but who controls the process and makes money doing it. The Israeli Orthodox Rabbinate is about having the "POWER" to control the religion and all the money that comes along with it. Think about this, before Israel became a modern day state in 1948, who decided who was a Jew and how to become one? Get my point !
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Faith, New York, USA,
Tuesday Jul 21, 2009
Bravo to comment #32. How true it is. The truth will set the Jewish people free!
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Robert, NY, NY, USA,
Tuesday Jul 21, 2009
Comment number 32 is right on point. It is about the Orthodox Rabbinate in Israel wanting total control of the religion and the money that comes with it. This was also the situation when the holy Temple stood. The power struggle between the then Pharisees, Sadduces and Essens caused the destruction of the Temple and then finally the exile of the Jews to the four corners of the Earth. The situation repeats itself today with the Orthodox, Conservative and Reformed religious power struggle in Israel. We seem to never learn from history and therefore will suffer the same fate! Wise up people !
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Jean - Georgia,
Thursday Jul 30, 2009
I agree wholeheartedly with Arnold from Wisconsin.
You can't have real Judaism without Zionism, else everyone should just stay in the diaspora of their choice.
On the other hand, Zionism without Judaism is an empty shell.
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simah,
Friday Oct 16, 2009
When Arab countries deny rights to Muslims citizens and sects because they are not "Muslim enough", we are appalled, and yell about human rights. Pot, meet kettle. Someone cannot be Jewish in Israel unless they follow the letter of every law, and if they don't they are "false jews", turncoats, whose conversions become invalid, incapable fo marrying under your law...where is the Israel that was meant to welcome *all* Jews home? Why would any member of the Diaspora move here, unless they are Orthodox? But that's not a problem, is it? The others aren't *real* Jews, and aren't wanted.
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Tamir,
Tuesday Nov 03, 2009
Dear Rav Farber. Thanks for your "enlightened" analysis. My best friend made aliyah from the US, converted through Rav Druckman's authority, and is now confronted to the fact that she'll probably have to go through the whole process again because the Rabinate refused to register her for her wedding. They have behaved so badly to her, as if she was "unpure" that she is now, after months of trying to cooperate or discuss, she is simply thinking of going back to he US and forget about Israel, after 2 yrs in the army and separation from her family. Israel is changing, in the bad bad way.
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