Thursday Apr 24, 2008

Building Bridges: Iran or the Golan

Posted by Yariv Oppenheimer
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Prime Minister Ehud Olmert's relaxing vacation in the Golan is just bad timing. It serves to fuel the conflict that exists within Israeli society which grapples between staying in the Golan Heights and the need for a peace agreement with Syria.

Truthfully, when the North is brimming with tourists and activities, when Golan wineries are awarded international prizes and when the Golan's communities see renewed vigor, it seems unnecessary and unrealistic to give up the Golan. The Israeli public does not sense directly the extent of the damage caused to our country due to the lack of peace with Syria nor does it understand the hefty price we are paying because of the continued hostilities with Syria.

Seemingly, ceasefire agreements between Israel and Syria are honored and despite Israel's presence in the Golan Heights, the Syrians avoid attacks on Israel soldiers based along the border. The widespread train of thought is that there is no hurry to reach a peace agreement with Syria and that it is a shame to give up such beautiful and important land as the Golan Heights. In effect however, the reality on the ground is the exact opposite. Israel is paying the price of staying in the Golan on a daily basis.

Perhaps the most painful and immediate price that Israel was forced to pay for its continued presence in the Golan and the lack of peace with Syria is the strengthening of Hizbullah and the fall of hundreds of men during the Second Lebanon War. When Barak decided to pull the IDF out of Lebanon unilaterally and without a Lebanon-Syria-Israel agreement, it became clear that without a return to the internationally set borders with Lebanon and without a solution to the Golan situation and without an agreement with Syria, the calm in the north would be only temporary.

The Second Lebanon War was a direct consequence of the continued conflict between Israel and Syria, a conflict based on the Syrian claim that the Golan Heights must be returned, as was the case with Egypt.

However, even after the end of the Second Lebanon War, the state that benefits the most from a lack of a peace agreement between Israel and Syria is Iran, Syria's neighbor to the north who finds itself in this day and age a potential ally to the regime in Damascus.

When the Israeli and American governments refuse to converse with the Syrian leadership, Bashar Assad is left with only one option - that is to stick to the alliance with Iran and to enable the Islamic Republic to aid Hizbullah which further threatens Israel's security. If indeed the Iranian threat is top priority and the need to isolate Iran becomes an existential matter, a peace agreement with Syria is the strongest strategic approach in the face of Ahmadinejad and the regime of the Ayatollahs.

Even if the official Israeli spokespeople are asked to deny and dismiss claims that Olmert promised the entire Golan to the Syrians in exchange for full peace, their denials and dismissals will play into insignificance. The State of Israel has already determined the set price for peace when it signed an agreement with Egypt at Camp David - full peace was conditional on the full withdrawal of Israel from the land it conquered in 1967.

No Syrian President would settle for anything less than what Sadat was able to obtain, no Israeli PM would settle for anything less than what Begin was able to obtain. The only question that begs an answer is how many wars and deaths will the two sides have to absorb in order to sign a peace agreement between them.

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1  |   Jon, Thursday Apr 24, 2008
You arguments are so silly, so naiive, so out-of-touch with human reality and history. I consider myself left-wing, but you are an embarrasment to the left and merely pour fuel on the fire for rightist extremists.
2  |   Herbert Kaine, Hebron Israel, Thursday Apr 24, 2008
Yariv, Syria is an Iranian province. Assad is a vassal to Ahmadinejad. You know this as well as I do. Please peddle your smelly rags in Syria. We have no use for them. Better war with the Golan that war without the Golan. These are Israels choices
3  |   Gili, Thursday Apr 24, 2008
Both the US and Israel have repeatedly offered Syria a true peace and economic benefits if it does the right thing. It was *Syria* who repeatedly rejected such carrots. It is premature to discuss the Golan Heights until Syria stop funding and supporting terrorism. The current behavior would lead any terrorist supporter to believe that their attacks on Israel have won them a prize, not their desire for peace.
4  |   Ron S, London, Thursday Apr 24, 2008
Nice idea in theory, but absolute rubbish. Peace is not what Syria desires, it is the destruction of the State of Israel, one 'piece' at a time if necessary. The mind boggles at how this simple fact is constantly overlooked or ignored. Why did Syria go to war with Israel in the first place, was it because Israel 'occupied' the Golan region then????
5  |   nehemia Levin, Thursday Apr 24, 2008
Mr. Oppenheimer, did you forget the price of insecurity Israel paid when the Syrians were camping on the top of the Golan Heights before 1967? The difference today-if we gave up the Golan- Is Iranians soldiers sitting on top of the Golan. What would you tell me then?
6  |   willcompromise, Thursday Apr 24, 2008
Israel should and must have peace with Syria. But it is not inevitable that all of the Golan should and must go to Syria. There must be compromise. A new international border must be agreed on, one that recognizes Israel's essential interests, including a defensible frontier and recognition of Israel's developmental needs in the area. It can be demilitarized to a strategic depth on both sides. Syria does not need for its essential interests to have its border deep inside Israel's northern sphere of interest and defense. A new international border is the best prospect for a peaceful future.
7  |   Josef, USA, Thursday Apr 24, 2008
The sage of Helm has spoken...
8  |   Garvin France, Thursday Apr 24, 2008
Following Oppenheimer reasoning,we need to give up all lands occupied after 1948 war,in order to fulfill UN 1947 resolution.Hoping Arabs should this time accept a Jewish State : Otherwise ,start again !!!
9  |   David, Israel, Thursday Apr 24, 2008
Golan is occupied territory, Yariv, and you should use here the term "lehahzir" (to return, instead of to give up), which is correct here. Unlike Judea/Samaria/Gaza, which are NOT occupied territories but DISPUTED territories, and therefore the term "latet" (to give up) has to be used about what has been done with Gaza and should never with Judea/Samaria. And therefore "lehahzir" should never be used with Judea/Samaria, as many people -most in the Left- incorrectly do. .....
10  |   David, Israel, Thursday Apr 24, 2008
... Having said that, and also saying that we need peace ASAP, I suggest that all our people should consider our options, which not necessarily include returning the Golan to Syria (would you return a weapon to a murderer to allow him to keep murdering?). There are options to that 1) To keep the Golan and offer *compensation*, this is paying the price of the land, buying the land or whatever you call it, 2) To return them part of the Golan and keep part for us (remember that not all the Golan is Syrian and the area surrounding the Kinneret is ours). ...
11  |   David, Israel, Thursday Apr 24, 2008
... Terms can be discussed. It is not the same as Jerusalem. I would, eventually, cede a part of the Golan for peace, but never Jerusalem or Judea/Samaria which are the heart of Israel (read the maps). It's not the same. Not land for peace, which does not work these days (Gaza as an example). Compensation for peace. And it's easier here, Syria has already left the place.
12  |   Steve, San Francisco, Thursday Apr 24, 2008
Let's not waste any words. This Peace Now jerk is both a liar and a traitor; an enemy from within, and should not be given a forum. His organization has compromised Israel's security and he should be held accountable for it, and his organization is responsible for displacing Israeli patriots from their homes and denying homes to others. He is doing the enemy's bidding at every turn.
13  |   Gil Tiberias, Thursday Apr 24, 2008
Mr Oppenheimer, do figs grow on thistles bushes? You know a tree by its fruit, and clearly Assad has not made the slightest turn in the direction of peace, but races forward to build up his war machine, opperate his assasins, and assist militant radical extreemists. Israel wants peace, but we must be realistic, and unless Assad takes a paradine shift, it is only wishfull thinking.
14  |   eli stern, Thursday Apr 24, 2008
Why does the JP who publishes every radical left wing looney tune ever punlish someone like Marzel who has a far greater following then the present blogger?
15  |   Steve Gure Florida USA, Thursday Apr 24, 2008
The analysis you are making is wrong. The only reason that the Golan Hights is quiet is that Syria knows that they will suffer greatly if the attack. The aim of all Arabs is the destruction of Israel. Israel better realize that and accept it. Surrender land or any other advantage has never and will never bring peace. Israel can only survive through strength.
16  |   Shlomo, Thursday Apr 24, 2008
How about this novel idea, peace for peace- not land. Once that is established then any other concessions can be discussed. It really is not a hard concept. Land for peace ensures land is given, not peace and therefore makes no sense to anyone but Israeli politicians and the UN.
17  |   Beersheva, Thursday Apr 24, 2008
Wow! There are lots of legitimate different opinions on peace issues...if it wasn't pesach, I'd assume this was a purim article. Someone tell this guy that its not only Israel, but the entire planet that is at odds with North Korea and Syria...and that giving them the golan will not make peace, any more than giving the Sinai made peace with Egypt. This is simply absolute ignorance.
18  |   Jack B., Thursday Apr 24, 2008
The very idea that Syria has no choice but to be a bad guy is not only stupid, it is despicable.
19  |   mfried, Thursday Apr 24, 2008
"No Syrian President would settle for anything less than what Sadat was able to obtain..." That line of logic does not make sense. The return of the Sinai to Egypt did not pose a huge security risk for Israel, because it is demiliterized and acts as a buffer to southern Israel. The Golan on the other hand, willl never be demiliterized by Syria if a peace agreement is met because of its close proximity to its capital.
20  |   mfried, Thursday Apr 24, 2008
The borders formed in any peace agreement must include defensible and secure borders for both Israel and Syria. This would not be possible with a full withdrawal from the Golan.
21  |   Dan, Dallas, TEXAS, Thursday Apr 24, 2008
Your ideas really are a danger to Israel. You rally have no concept of reality. Syria, if given back the Golan Heights would pose a second threat to the north. Shelling from a height has favorable physical attributes. Hizbollah is a surrogate of Syria who is a surrogate of Iran...Capiche? Is Syria going to stand upto Iran after a peace treaty has been signed with Israel.? AND YOUKNOW NOT. Your ideas are as immature as they are morionic. The only question that remains is are you a fifth columnist?
22  |   Reuven Ben-Daniel Israel, Thursday Apr 24, 2008
If for peace with Syria they demand we return to the UN partition borders, would Yariv Oppenheimer agree If the demand is that we give up the Arab village of Bashit and the "settlements" built there? If not why not? Where does Yariv Oppenheimer live? On the ruins of what destroyed Arab village stands his house? Over 95% of Israelis living within the Green line are living on the ruins of Arab villages destroyed in the War of Independence and after.
23  |   David, Australia, Thursday Apr 24, 2008
"Yariv the Naive": #1 said it succinctly. You are an intellectual embarrassment, only rivaled by Larry Derfner. Ben Gurion saw Israel naturally & defensibly bound by the Litani, Jordan, & Suez. Syria "owned" the Golan for less than Israel, from the artificial creation of Lebanon & Syria (1941) until 1967. Syria lost it in a defensive war it started, & if desired, it could help create a continuous stable, affluent, Westernised presence from Turkey to Kurdistan. The despotic (minority) Allawi Assad family chose otherwise. I can only surmise that JPost publishes you out of editorial "balance".
24  |   Itzik, Toronto, Thursday Apr 24, 2008
Israel should insist that a 10 year period of calm and peace be instituted, after that 10 year period the Syrians can have the Golan. This way Israel would know what Syrian intentions really are. "Israel beware of a wolf in sheep's clothing"
25  |   Stanford Newman - USA, Thursday Apr 24, 2008
How about requiring that Syria Officially recognizes Israel as a sovereign nation with an exchange of diplomats, plus other visible signs such as completely pulling out of Lebanon, before we cede any part of the Golan? There is no way renouncing terror can be monitored, so we need something tangible. How about joint economic ventures in parts of the Golan. Nothing insures peace as much as economics.
26  |   Yaakov, Thursday Apr 24, 2008
Yariv Oppenheimer is the Peace Now General Secretary. So, what could we expect from him? Give back, give away, give up. This seems to be their motto. We are coming up on 60 years. The only way this happened is because of a strong, kick-ass, people who wouldn't lie down for the Arabs. So why in the name of G-d are some trying to get us to lay down now? The Arabs love you and your kind, Yariv, they just love you. That should tell us something, don't you think?
27  |   seymour R USA, Thursday Apr 24, 2008
II am suprised that no one mentions the advise the AMERICAN GENERAL gave to you after touring the GOLAn. ii remind you he said never give up the GOLAN .IF YOU VALUEYOUR SECURITY.SEYMOUR USA
28  |   Geert Stalman, Groningen the Netherlands, Thursday Apr 24, 2008
Being a boy I once had troubles with a boy bigger and taller as I was. But when I should gave him some of my toys he would do not any harm to me. Thus I bought peace. However we were different in spiritual thinking although later on I still got beaten by him. ISRAEL PEACE CANNOT BE BOUGHT YOU HAVE TO FIGHT FOR IT WITH GODS HELP
29  |   Vinegar Hill, Madrid., Friday Apr 25, 2008
An excellent article Mr. Oppenheimer! You have managed to cut through prejudices and come to some clear thinking and recognize an opportunity for peace when you see one. It is a pity the correspondents who have commented cannot do the same.
30  |   tukiyem love, Sunday Apr 27, 2008
Its god ide... golans back to syiria, come on!!!! keep peace in the world, war is not solution... i dont understand about jews, but im believed some people in jews love peace, and empathy.. jews is not zionism!!!!! jews... peace love empathy....... tukiyem love, jakarta indonesia
31  |   jerry canada, Sunday Apr 27, 2008
you are completley out of touch..THE ARABS HAVE NOT GIVEN UP THEIR DREAM OF TOTAL DESTUCTION OF THE JEWISH STATE ANY LAND CONCESSION IS JUST GIVING IN TO THEI R VISION OF HOW THINGS WILL END UP ...BETTER FIGHT WITH THE GOLAN IN OUR HANDS..THAN WITH OUT .....REMEMBER WHEM YOU PISS WITH SKUNKS YOU WILL ALWAYS BE OVERCOME WITH THE STENCH "LONG LIVE THE JEWISH STATE" WITH JERUSALEM INTACT
32  |   John Jerusalem, Israel, Sunday Apr 27, 2008
Gee, The Arabs are mad at us...so lets keep them happy, + not killing us by giving them enough of Israel to please them. Are you sure that Yariv's last name is not " Chamberland "..? Yariv Oppenheimer + Peace Now = 5th Column. They should be treated as such and in the next war they should ALL be put in Jail , tried for Treason... if found Guilty... they should be Executed. Gee the Arabs are still mad at us...!
33  |   David USA, Sunday Apr 27, 2008
How can so many be blinded by thinking that a murderer will stop murdering if you give into their demands. These people are no better than those that gave in to Hitler's terror and by doing so helped promote his agendas. This is not the thinking of an intellegent being but someone willing to sell their souls to a devil incarnate.
34  |   Luminita, Bucharest, Romania, Sunday Apr 27, 2008
#24, excellent point!
35  |   zaq, ranaana, Monday Apr 28, 2008
examine please the bathist syrian government....a totalitarian dictatorship run by an ethnic minority representing 11% (+/-) of the population.... the bathists are arch nationalists who demand worshiping the fearless leader want peace with syria? support a peoples revolution so they can install a representative democracy....then we as a nation can make peace with the entire syrian nation someday the alawite will be overthrown and any treaties signed nowwill be worthless
36  |   Jacques Netherlands, Monday Apr 28, 2008
I feel ashamed and at the same time extremely sad to read the responses of Israeli's. Do they not realize the way they are writing is exactly the way terrorists slogans sounds like. Honour the land that is given to you but also honour the right of other people to live on the land which is theirs. I feel a shiver over my body reading your comments. Become realistic and mature before it is too late and the world will turn against you! Wake up before it is too late!!!
37  |   James, New York, Monday Apr 28, 2008
Oppenheimer is choosing between giving away Golan and an Iranian regime in Syria. Giving away Golan will not make Syrian regime stronger or less dependent on Iranian mullahs. It will only aggravate relations with the friendly Druze and Circassian populations in Israel.
38  |   DOV,USA,, Monday Apr 28, 2008
DEFINITION OF A "FOOL" ONE WHO MAKES THE SAME MISTAKE OVER AND OVER, AND OVER AGAIN...AND SOME OF MY BEST FRIENDS ARE LIBERALS, TO A FAULT! HAVE THE BEST BIRTHDAY, O ISRAEL. CEASE SELF DOUBT. ONWARD....
39  |   AARON BENEZRA, SYRACUSE, NY, USA, Monday Apr 28, 2008
Y.0. - BARAK'S LEBANON WITHDRAWL more than encouraged Syria regarding Golan; it meant Phalange losing south Lebanon to Hezbollah, kidnapping of Eldad Regev and Ehud Goldwasser, and the 2006 war with Hezbollah. SURRENDERING ALL SINAI TO EGYPT did set a terrible precedent, that Arab nations can expect Israeli-ratified American okay to wage war on Israel at no territorial risk. ISRAEL CAN REVERSE THESE NEGATIVE PRECEDENTS by purchasing a minimum of ten percent of Sinai, by annexing Judea-Samaria, by keeping Golan and Jerusalem.
40  |   AARON BENEZRA, SYRACUSE, NY, USA, Monday Apr 28, 2008
IRAN OR THE GOLAN Of course "Iran or the Golan" is a false choice, except if one uses the inclusinve grammar of the word "on", in which case one is really talking about Iran AND the Golan. Factor in that Iran and Syria are both proxies for Russia; is it any wonder that the Israeli left-wing is in favor of giving away the Golan and in favor of land surrender altogether?
41  |   Simon, Monday Apr 28, 2008
Peace Now should not be quoted until they make finances public. Who is paying for this nonsense?!
42  |   Shmuel, Jerusalem, Monday Apr 28, 2008
There really should be a national mental health program for leftists like you. Maybe with the right treatment, you can be brought back from your state of delusion.
43  |   YM, Monday Apr 28, 2008
Yariv makes one good point - Israel made a terrible mistake in 1978 at Camp David by giving up all of the Sinai, creating an dangerous standard that is now demanded by Syria and the Palestinians.
44  |   leah canada, Monday Apr 28, 2008
i did but you didn't print it. leah
45  |   Chaim Israel, Tuesday Apr 29, 2008
We have had defacto peace with Syria for several decades. One of the major reasons for this peace is because WE HAVE the Golan Heights, with it's incalculable military and strategic value. If we didn't have the Golan Heights, Syria would be much more inclined to attack us. Ceding the Golan Heights would be suicidal lunacy. On a related note, I would like to join those who are urging the Jerusalem Post to replace disastrous, discredited Peace Now propagandists with patriots such as Marzel, Moshe Feiglin and Daniel Wilder.
46  |   Vinegar Hill, Madrid, Spain., Wednesday Apr 30, 2008
Chaim you are a fool! Will you please explain how the Golan is of "incalculable military and strategic value"?
47  |   MG, NJ, USA, Wednesday May 21, 2008
Chaim is right, and Vinegar, you're the fool. Anyone who holds the higher ground is in control. We don't owe Syria squat since THEY started the war they lost the Golan in.
48  |   Vinegar Hill, Madrid, Spain., Wednesday May 28, 2008
Hello MG from NJ in the USA! I presume you remember that your delightful country was at war in Vietnam in the 20th century. Before your soldiers left with their tails between their legs they fought for a hill, a piece of "high(er) ground" which became known as"Hamburger Hill". They lost and regained it several times from the VC. After a final "victory" they secured the hill. Later, when the lights came on in their brains they realised that it was of no military value whatsoever. Do some light switching, get modern regarding military matters and, then, send me an apology.
49  |   MG in NJ, US, Sunday Jun 08, 2008
Apologize? For what, winning land in a war we didn't start? Don't hold your breath. Israel isn't Viet Nam. When Syria held the Golan, farners in the Galilee were constantly being shelled and shot at. Nothing has changed in the 41 years since Israel has the Golan as far as Syrian atitudes towards the existence of Israel. However, Israelis in the Galil are now safe. I don't owe you squat.
50  |   Margie in Tel Aviv, Wednesday Jul 09, 2008
I appreciate your sincerity but I do question your approach. I question your conclusion that wars with the Arabs are caused by our holding the Golan. Wars with the Arab states are caused by there being a state of Israel: take that away and you will have solved the problem entirely. Peace is of as much value to our neighbours as it is to us. If you don't believe this then you question their humanity. If Syria wishes peace with us it should be prepared to give up something of value, I suggest that it should give up claim to the Golan or friendship and alliance with Iran.
51  |   massimo, Thursday Jul 10, 2008
Shalom Alechem, Reading your comments & not one single person mentioned anything about the Arab peace Initiative that was intriduced by Saudi Arabia and endorsed by all the Arab countries. It offers FULL recognition by (22) members of the Arab league in exchange for an Israeli withdrwal to its pre-1967 borders, to allow the Palestinians to have a viable & independent State. Well ! Here you have it.Is Israel series & ready to try PEACE ? Todah & Shalom
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