Monday Jul 28, 2008

Modesty Blasé: Mothers and fathers

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Sports day next week.  Followed by the end of year concert. Hot on the heels of graduation day. And they expect me to go to each event. Couldn't I just send a tired, badly dressed, breasts sagging, blow up life-sized doll that I could remotely contol to wave and cheer when one of my kids appear? It has to be a more effective  use of my time than actually being there. 

Fathers have it easy: they are not allowed to attend the concerts at my daugter's school due to the religious code of the school (to which we freely signed up, so I shan't moan). They cannot watch the mothers' race on sports day for fear of seeing real sagging breasts bobbing up and down across the 100 metre finishing line.

However, in a fairly new initiative, they are actively invited to attend a Sunday business skills workshop specifically for  Fathers and Daughters. The message is very clear: it is much easier to deal with fathers if schools reinforce their hierarchical relationship with their daughters. They are the bearers of business knowledge, and their daughters are the passive recipients of this superior wisdom.

To be fair, the school means well and it is a nice idea to give fathers the opportunity to spend quality time with their daughters. However,  increasingly, women are actively engaged in the business world and it would encourage our  daughters to think more widely about their future employment possibilities if women role models were able to offer practical guidance.

Further, in a community where some women will take on the burden of supporting a family while her husband learns in a kollel (yeshiva for married men) , it is vital that young women are given exposure to a wider range of opportunities than kindergarten assistant or beauty therapist. 

I was once asked what I would like for my daughters in the future. Would you choose happiness? What about a wonderful husband? Clearly, you want them to have beautiful children? Who asks these sort of questions?, I wondered to myself.

'To be able to earn a fortune,' I replied without hesitation. To borrow a Freudian concept, it was a clear case of projection.

In another clear case of projection, I was struck by news that a man in Australia put his entire life up for sale on EBay. He sold it for £192,000 which included his house, car and a few friends. I couldn't give my life away.

What sort of person can sell their life? Only someone who doesn't have to fill several  lunchboxes with cheese sandwiches, breadsticks and an apple every single day of the week. Only someone who has no concept of communal obligation could even contemplate walking away. Orthodox women are not programmed to be so selfless: after all, who would supervise the mikvah, who would prepare women for their burials at the chevra kadisha and who would wash and style my shaytel? Orthodox women cannot imagine life without a community and fulfilling their responsibilities towards the community are the drivers that offer self-esteem and a chance to clock up lots of mitzvoth (good deeds). 

However, it's easy to understand that when the Community, with a capital C,  just gets too overwhelming, you might want to sell your life and run away. But there is an easier solution: stick a tired, badly dressed, breasts sagging, blow up life-sized doll in your front window, and take a slow boat to China.

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1  |  Margarita, Mexico City, Wednesday Jul 30, 2008
I think i would never buy your life. In my opinion you are very far to be an Ortodox Jewish woman role model and to write about it because you seems to be underfullfiled. I'm a working mother of six, happy wife, professional degree holder, and find time to do good deeds. And...................... A cap with ponytail is not for grown mothers, also I think you also you need some basic courses of modesty.
2  |  Dan J USA, Wednesday Jul 30, 2008
To me the Orthodox "regulations" on women are rediculous and harmng to Jewish life. Since the "Red Tent" obligation, women in the Orthodow are in a denigrating position. Judasim never was a "Patriarchcal" religion...men made it so. Praying all day in Synagogue hasn't helped us Jews when the Pogroms occurred. Ask the Israelis...and they'll say that planes, tanks and soldiers help. By the way I am a man who loves his Judiasim and respects most aspects of Orthodox Life. Without women we Jews would no have heritage. Let some guy carry a baby for nine months!
3  |  Joshua, Pennsylvania, USA, Wednesday Jul 30, 2008
I forwarded this blog entry to my wife. Right on target.
4  |  sptz, Thursday Jul 31, 2008
Judaism is a spectrum of colors,but in orthodoxy there are norms that have to be followed. When a well educated & observant conservative rabbi said- Every Jew must keep moving to the right in education & observance- I flipped! Won't find that today! In orthodoxy, it seems that once "trained" many years ago, many mod orthos don't"upgrade" on a daily, weekly basis- they seem to know "enough" & practice "enough"without the right lane moves. Learning with a reb/rebbitzin- no. caring about "wear & hair"- no expelling TV/controlling computer-no. Showy simchas-yes.Coming our way,MB?
5  |  Shalom, Cherry Hill, NJ, Thursday Jul 31, 2008
Hi, sptz, it seems to me that one can make negative generalizations about any group, like chareidi--strict on chumra of the day--yes, strict on long dresses--yes, women who spend thousands of $ on sheitels that are more attractive than natural hair making it a joke--yes, looking down on less 'frum'--yes. We can make similar lists for Reform, Conservative, Sephardi, Humanist, and so on. But is it constructive or helpful--NO. Shalom
6  |  Shalom, Cherry Hill, NJ, Thursday Jul 31, 2008
To Dan #2, what is the Red Tent obligation, and what is its source? By the way, while living in Israel for 6 years and serving in it's army, I met very few Israelis who felt that planes, tanks and soldiers were the exclusive reasons for all of their success. This is especially true since they had very few of those through 1967. Shalom
7  |  Tova, Toronto Canada, Thursday Jul 31, 2008
Most Orthodox Women becoming very bitter & resentfull. They have no respect for themselves & very low self-esteem. The rich orthdox have hearts of stone. GOD created women to be elevated, not covered from head to toe. not to wear wigs or hide away from society. These rules came from men to held their wives in bondage. Jewish Women are suppose to inspire their family, work together with their husbands, not servants or salves to their children or guests. Boys & Girls are suppose to play together, enjoy each others company, not segretated. GOD gave Life not bondage. Let your daughters excel
8  |  Joseph, New York City, USA, Thursday Jul 31, 2008
You bring up valid reasons for a mother and daughter career day to balance the "Father and Daughter" career day. The school has to decide what type of balance it wants. If there are female only events and no father and daughter events, the fathers will be shorted in terms of time. If the school tries to balance every female only event with a father and daughter event, they risk shorting one parent or the other in terms of importance. Why not balance the all female 100-meter dash with a father and daughter marksmenship competition? It should be possible to shoot a bow and arrow modestly.
9  |  Dan J USA, Thursday Jul 31, 2008
Shalom #6 ...The "RED TENT"..( a novel) was in ancient times..long gone. It was where a women went while she had her period. It just reminded me of how sometimes women in Judasim are subjicated to men. I know that most of those "rules" are gone. but women and men are still seperated in some Shuls. As for "planes , tanks etc"...I would hate to see Israel without a strong IDF and IAF! I thank you for your service in the Israeli Army...thank God for people like you. Yes, Israel with all its enemies around it needs great weapons.. I'm sure as I did in service, you trained with a rifle.
10  |  Shalom, Cherry Hill, NJ, Sunday Aug 03, 2008
Hi, Dan, why do you write as if separating men and women is something terrible? Personally, I find it a far better service, and in a free marketplace of ideas, those who disagree are free to choose Conservative, Reform, or something else. Surely you don't begrudge others the right to choose as they wish! Perhaps it's no coincidence, however, that those with mixed seating have far fewer members praying regularly, keeping the Torah, having many children, and so on. By the way, when the sexes tend to separate from each other as they so often do at social events, do you object? Shalom
11  |  Dan J USA, Sunday Aug 03, 2008
Shalom...I certainly not objecting to the "choice" of service one wishes to attend. I respect the Orthodox and their rituals. But women in general are made to feel inferior in socoety...although they have made great strides. May I remind you that women in the USA just got the right to VOTE in 1921! I don't object, but I believe that seperation makes women SEEM to be inferior. As I said before...without women we cannot pass on our Jewish heritage. By the way..who screwed up the world more...Men or Women? I think most know the answer! Without women we men are beasts! Shalom.
12  |  Shalom, Cherry Hill, NJ, Monday Aug 04, 2008
Hi, Dan, I cannot see why one would get into a contest, choosing which 'side' is better or worse. Obviously, G-d decided to make men and women very different, each incomplete but complimentary. Men must struggle to overcome their aggression, and women must struggle to overcome their emotions. If you respect the Orthodox & their rituals, please explain post #2 in which you wrote that "Orthodox "regulations" on women are rediculous and harmng to Jewish life". Shalom
13  |  Alisa, Belgium/Israel, Tuesday Aug 05, 2008
Shalom: there is no better or worse but, I believe, there should also be equality, which in our religion unfortunately there isn't. it is true that most of our sages and rule makers, are men: therefore, most of the rules are not really to make women life easy! lets take tzniut: the point should be to educate men to reacy to their temptation as human beings, not as animals: if seing the hair of a woman or her knee makes a man go wild, something is not right....isn't it? same for interpretation of Torah: would a woman declare that marrying means buying??
14  |  Dan J USA, Tuesday Aug 05, 2008
Hi Shalom...I just happen to believe that women soothe the "beast" that many men (not all, of course).harbor. To me motherhood is the most important care that a child needs. History has proved that men are more "killers" than birth givers of life. If man has "struggled" to overcome his aggression..he has done a poor job. And womens wonderful "emotions " are what saves us men from slaughtering each other. Perhaps I was a bit harsh on my statement about Orthodox women to just make a point. The Jpost used my comment in their "HOT Potato"..please view it and my answers in reponse. Be well.
15  |  Velvel usa, Wednesday Aug 06, 2008
I'm afraid I have to agree with #1 Margarita's fashion critique. Just throwing that out there.
16  |  Shalom, Cherry Hill, NJ, Wednesday Aug 06, 2008
Hi, Alisa, I agree that many customs, which have been started by Rabbis at various times, are not acceptable to many of us, or part of our oral Torah from Sinai. However, the point of tzniut (to use your example) is not just about how men see women, but about any of us viewing our bodies properly. Whether or not one lets some hair show, or wears a skirt above or below the knee, it's unhealthy for our souls to overly focus on the physical. How many people spend huge amounts of time and money on this shallow pursuit? The Torah is not about equality (cont)
17  |  Shalom, Cherry Hill, NJ, Wednesday Aug 06, 2008
(cont) As you know, a non Cohen can never take the role of a Cohen, the son of a Cohen and a divorced woman may never offer korbanot, and a wonderful Gentile may not touch wine that is not mevushal and keep it kosher. The moshiach must be from the House of David no matter how great someone else is, and a Jewish king must be from Yehuda, no matter how great the Chashmonaim were. Equality is not always a Jewish value, depending on the issue. Best wishes, Shalom
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Modesty Blasé

And G-d created Modesty. And Modesty grew up to be an Orthodox Jewish housewife and mother in London. She has a Pesach kitchen and a Polish cleaner. Her skirts are long and she often sports a trendy baseball cap with a fake ponytail. But lately, Modesty has been having some doubts. This is her commentary.

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Shalom, Cherry Hill, NJ: Hi, David, My question about the application of 'Daas Torah' is whether it covers ALL topics that touch our lives? For example, does it necessarily apply to whether one should have moved from Poland to No America in the early 20th century? Why should it deal with teaching science--such as whether there were dinosaurs and the age of the universe? Rambam wrote in Moreh Nevuchim that one should study physics before metaphysics, but much of today's 'daas Torah' is to teach as little science and math as possible. How does this make sense? Shalom
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