Wednesday Apr 16, 2008

Reform Reflections: Inspiration from the Haredi community

Posted by Rabbi Michael Marmur
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Although they will not thank me for the endorsement, I have decided to come out in favor of the Haredi community in Jerusalem. Many in the Ultra-Orthodox world are disgusted by the decision of the courts, supported by the Attorney General, not to force businesses in Jerusalem to refrain from selling chametz during the festival of Passover this year. Following the decision of the court, representatives of the edah charedit  have sent letters to some sixty businesses and outlets pleading with them not to sell leavened products during Pessach in the City of Gold.

I like this response. By turning to these fellow Jerusalemites and asking them to reconsider their decision, these Haredi representatives are playing according to the rules of a modern liberal democracy. It remains to be seen if some within the community escalate their opposition to the dreaded chametz, and move from words to sticks and stones. But so long as the opposition is reasoned, respectful and peaceful, it should be supported.

I write these words in the midst of my own battle with the forces of leaven, the chametz which lies around my house, in my car, and even more elusively - in my heart. I perceive these days of Passover preparation as some of the most significant and profound of the Hebrew calendar. The Passover of which I dream is indeed leaven-free. But the Israel I dream of living in is one in which leaven should not be outlawed. Exploiting the institutions of state in order to enforce the great teachings of Judaism is a tragic error, and it helps contribute to alienation and anger.

A representative of the Haredi community (this is a confusing and imprecise term, since there are almost infinite variations and nuances within the Ultra-Orthodox world) was interviewed on the radio this morning, and he explained why it was so crucial to keep all chametz out of Jerusalem. He told the tragic tale of Orthodox grandchildren visiting with their secular grandparents in Jerusalem who were given pizza to eat on the festival of Passover because their ignorant and innocent grandparents did not know better. They had assumed that Jerusalem restaurants would only sell Kosher for Passover comestibles, and as a result the sanctity of the festival was sullied. The spokesman went on to state that Jerusalem, city of holiness, must be pure during the festival of Passover.

The story about the mistaken grandparents tells a great deal about the weird configurations of Jewish identity in our times. Within three generations there are radical transitions from secular to Orthodox, and vice versa. But the idea that legislating against the owner of the kiosk will make the complexity go away is wrongheaded, short-sighted and laughable.

Jerusalem should be pure this Passover. It should be purged of poverty, and garbage, and corruption, and prejudice, and hate. I passed some graffiti on the wall in a "good" neighborhood in Jerusalem this week. Its author, clearly an honorable son of our people, expressed gross anti-Arab sentiments. Now that is chametz of the worst kind, and that needs to be removed - before Pessach, and every day.

On this Festival of Freedom, we should defend the right of our neighbors to do things we don't like, and defend the weak from assault and oppression. It's actually fine in my book to engage others in conversation, to try to persuade them to act differently. Persuasion is better than legislation, and much better than aggression.

One more thought, for those of you who are ahead in your house cleaning, or those of you who don't clean your house in a special way for Pessach, or those of you who are limited in the amount of physical work you can do. Open your Inbox and delete all the unnecessary e-mails which have just been lying around for a year: this is a new additional version of chametz for the twenty-first century. I don't want the courts to outlaw e-mail (although that does sound tempting). I wasn't proposing a new law - I was just making a suggestion. It's a technique I have learnt from the Haredi community.

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1  |  Pinchas, Tsfat, Thursday Apr 17, 2008
One type of hametz that world Jewry (and especially those of us here in Israel) would be much better off without is those chutzpanim who don't live their lives according to Torah law and yet have the audacity to call themselves "rabbis" and m'chateh et ha'rabim.
2  |  Cheryle Tacher San Juan, Puerto Rico, Thursday Apr 17, 2008
Dear Rabbi Marmur, You make the complicated seem so simple. You are a man of vision. We get caught up in technicalities and forget why we were given this glorious life in the first place. 'Our way' is the only way. We lose ourselves in halacha, and find ourselves in cyberspace. Take heed, fellow Jews, fellow man in general! Michael, may your words of wisdom reach the ears of G-d and the hearts of man! Hoping to hear more this summer when I get back to Jerusalem.
3  |  harry kuperhause, Rosh Pina, Friday Apr 18, 2008
What is there to defend about the Heredi community? Up the hill from my place (in Zefed) their areas are dirty, sloppy, their manners and physical appearance are undignified to say the least! One person in Zefed said to me," God protect Israel "and I answered: "I trust and support the IDF to protect our land and people, NOT your God who has failed us miserably over the centuries"! The wonderfull modern Jewish mind has built this state give covet to that. Hag Sameah HK
4  |  Tako in the know, Monday Apr 21, 2008
So long as so called Haredi get red carpet treatment because their garb is black the gov't. invites hate for it from them, and the I.D.F. It's in fashion now for Haredim to attack zionism, the army. This will lead to more internal strife the likes of which will hit hard soon. They buy up lands now and no one but no one except themselves will be able to reside their. They have committess to ensure it. Wake up and treat them no different before they will overtake you and yours.
5  |  Joel Katz - http://religionandstateinisrael.blogspot.com/, Monday Apr 21, 2008
Thank you Rabbi for your reflections. I actually deleted (or archived!) my 1,000+ emails sitting in my inbox before Pesach -- before reading your blog. One important clarification on the Hametz Law. The statute states [in the Authorized Translation]: “…the owner of a business shall not publicly display any leavened product for sale or consumption. ” The judge's ruling relates specifically to the words "publicly display". The translation can be found at: http://tinyurl.com/53qur5 Joel Katz http://religionandstateinisrael.blogspot.com/
6  |  Daniel, Tuesday Apr 22, 2008
Yeah, Harry - I know what you mean. Perhaps you should move down to downtown secular Tel Aviv and other "clean places" which is rife with drugs, crime, prostitution. There you will find all the cleanliness that the Chareidim can never deliver. It is truly amazing what the wonderful modern Jewish mind can create. All the wars that Israel have won have been miracles. Just ask anyone in the army who themselves (for the most part) TRUST IN GOD !!!!
7  |  Jason, Wednesday Apr 23, 2008
Harry, excuse Daniel, because he seems to think that only the secular suffer from drugs, crime and prostitution. I think Daniel is completely oblivious to all of the sex scandals, recent child abuse cases emanating from Israel and the drugs issue within the Charedi community today. Daniel is also delusional because he does not believe in "hishtadlus" (exerting effort to effect a change). Daniel believes that only God can be credited for all of the victories of the Israeli army, and that the ramy had no role to play in their wars. Very odd.
8  |  Daniel, Wednesday Apr 23, 2008
A Gutten Yom Tov Jason! I was hoping to hear from you. It's been awhile and I really missed you! I'm not oblivious to the shortcomings of our community which affects a very very small percentage of our ranks compared to a MUCH LARGER percentage that affects the general secular populace. We've been through this before. I have spoken to soldiers myself and they all tell me that what they themselves do pales in comparison to the open miracles that they encounter on a daily basis.
9  |  Jason, Wednesday Apr 23, 2008
Daniel (8), Chag Sameach to you as well. Could you kindly point me to any studies that would substantiate your claim that your community's shortcomings "affects a very very small percentage of our ranks compared to a MUCH LARGER percentage that affects the general secular populace"? I would be intrigued if you could demonstrate this in fact. I see quite the opposite. As for speaking to soldiers, i dont think that this too would conclude this debate. Face it, had we waited for Hashem to return us to the land (as the Charedim desired), we would not have the State of Israel today.
10  |  Jason, Wednesday Apr 23, 2008
Daniel (8), besides, how do you define "miracles"? Is the 1967 war "miracle" comparable to Kriyas yam suf (splitting of the Reed Sea)?
11  |  Daniel, Thursday Apr 24, 2008
Jason (9) - Just follow the news: Let's start with yesterday: "three kibutz ein gedi men rape two danish tourists" and todays "12 holon youths steal from other youths". Just folow the news in the next ten days and get back to me. To say that you see the opposite is quite laughable. I think most people would feel safer walking in Geula and Meah Shearim at three in the morning as opposed to Tel Aviv !! In addtion, I never heard of any youths turning reliligous inorder to take drugs etc..opposed to the minute amount of frum kids that turn secular and go on drugs etc....
12  |  Daniel, Thursday Apr 24, 2008
Jason (9) - Anyone who denies the hand of G0d in ALL of the wars is either blind or a liar. Take a look at the over 7000 rockets that have fallen on sderot with minimal injuries. 39 scuds fall on Israel with only one death while one scud falls on american base with dozens killed. etc. etc. etc.. not to mention all the wars where all the soldiers saw the Yad Hashem! These wars were clothed in nature whereas yam suf was open and defied nature. I really wish you would contact me so we could continue all these discussions.....
13  |  Jason, Thursday Apr 24, 2008
Daniel (12), yes Sderot has been spared, so what? According to you, therefore, the hand of God must therefore also be present in Darfur, Rwanda, the Shoa, the Armenian genocide etc. Wonderful. With a God like that, who needs enemies?! What do you mean by "clothed in nature"? If they are as you characterize them, then how are you assured that they are in fact miracles and not simply following the laws of nature or a direct result of someone's actions independent of God? We are continuing these dicussions, are we not?
14  |  Avrohom - Israel, Friday Apr 25, 2008
Jason, it is you who needs to be excused for your intellectual dishinesty, or your intellectual inabilities to discern. Nowhere did Daniel claim, as you incorrectly stated, "only the secular suffer from drugs and crime". Nowhere did Daniel claim " the ramy had no role to play in their wars". And nowhere did Daniel claim "he does not believe in "hishtadlus". Jason, you let your hatred for Torah and for orthodox, who are mishtadel to adhere to Torah, get the best of your head and your heart.
15  |  Daniel, Monday Apr 28, 2008
Jason (13) - God's hand is quite evident in the holocaust in the suffering that he brought upon our nation AS HE WARNED US IN THE TORAH as well as the daily miracles he made to save those who that he wanted for reasons only known to him. I don't feel that with a 600 word limit, I can honestly carry on an intelectual conversation. Besides, I'm much better in person than in print. IMAGINE THAT !! Avrohom, thanks buddy for sticking for me. Although Jason harbors a hatred towards Torah etc, you gotta admire his spunk.
16  |  Jason, Monday Apr 28, 2008
Daniel (15), no, I do not harbor hatred towards Torah, though I do not have any patience for the intolerant views espoused by the Charedi community. I think I would have found myself much more comfortable discussing these matters with the Rambam than I do with many of your co-religionists. So, please do make this very important distinction. Also, you state that God "warned us". Wonderful. We have a warning that precedes our utter devastation. How gruesome a thought. Your God certainly is a very angry and vengeful one. How sad.
17  |  Jason, Monday Apr 28, 2008
Daniel and Avrohom, are you two intimately related to each other, or does any one of you have a split personality? :)
18  |  Jason, Monday Apr 28, 2008
Daniel (15), in fact, i strongly urge you to read the online article in this past week's Haaretz entitled "A Torah expert faults the rabbis" by Yair Sheleg. I share Rabbi Prof. Daniel Sperber's very serious concerns about the state of Orthodoxy today.....
19  |  Avrohom - Israel, Tuesday Apr 29, 2008
Jason, is #17 your way to avoid responsibility for the mistakes in your post? You are better off simply remaining silent than acting like a bafoon.
20  |  Daniel, Tuesday Apr 29, 2008
Jason 16 - I don't think my views are much different than those of the Rambam. He would certainly not drink the wine that you touch. Why is it so difficult for you apikursim to accept the fact that God means what he says? I find it fascinating that when the holocaust is spelled out in the Torah, you refuse to accept it. He wants us to follow his Torah ON HIS TERMS - PERIOD. If not, there is no shortage of despots to punish us for not obeying his word. My internet is limited to select sights and thankfully Haaretz is not on my list.
21  |  Jason, Tuesday Apr 29, 2008
#19, i am not "avoiding my responsibility", i simply am not responding to your posts which i have found (in other threads) to be offensive and intolerant. Accordingly, and as I have mentioned previously, I have no interest in discussing these issues with you. Thanks for your understanding.
22  |  Avrohom - Israel, Wednesday Apr 30, 2008
Jason, hypocrite, you talk out of both sides of your mouth. And both sides speak nonsense. You addressed me, so you have no credibility saying you are not going to discuss with me. The first post I wrote was not discussing any 'issues' with you, It pointed out your fictional claims about Daniel. You have no way to justify your deceit, so you avoid it. You spin and spin and spin and the results are nothing but verbal vomit on these pages. You are too proud to admit you errors. Your pride is at the center of all your failures to begin with. Nothing has changed.
23  |  Jason, Wednesday Apr 30, 2008
My my, the natives are restless. Daniel, you should try to tame Avrohom, he seems to be foaming at the mouth. As for the Ramban not "drinking the wine that I touched", i would then be in good company as many illustrious chachamim would never have drunk the wine touched by the Rambam as well! You state that the "holocaust is spelled out in the Torah", how ridiculous! The Tochacha could have referred to any of the hundreds of atrocities committed against us throughout the ages. In any event, your God is a rather ruthless and vengeful one is he not?
24  |  Jason, Wednesday Apr 30, 2008
Daniel, please reply to my post at 13. Once again, what do you mean by "clothed in nature"? If they are as you characterize them, then how are you assured that they are in fact miracles and not simply following the laws of nature or a direct result of someone's actions independent of God? Also, you MUST read the article re Sperber. Its illuminating and describes the serious issues confronting Orthodox halachik decision making today.
25  |  Avrohom - Israel, Thursday May 01, 2008
Poor Jason. You resort to infantile statements whenever confronted logically about statements you make and cannot justify. You still cannot demonstrate where Daniel said things about which you accused him. No wonder you resort to insults and spin. Now you write many illustrious chachamim would never have drunk the wine touched by the Rambam as well. You have no source for that either. You simply drool hatred and are so delusional you think you make sense. Try intellectual honesty for once. It will put you back on the correct path from which you failed miserably when you were younger.
26  |  Daniel, Thursday May 01, 2008
Jason 23 - When I say the holocaust is spelled out in the Torah, I obviously don't mean the events of 1939-1945 per say. But the fact that if we don't keep his mitzvos he will duly punish us as he did during those years. It is not vengeance but rather for our ultimate good as a nation - eventhough we don't and cannot understand it. Question: When you say "your God" is ruthless etc. Which God is exactly "YOUR" God. Your God is so powerless that he could not stop the Nazis from slaughtering our nation? Is your God not my "Almighty God" ????
27  |  Daniel, Thursday May 01, 2008
Jason 24 - The sciences themselves prove how perfectly every aspect of nature is interconnected. The laws of nature themselves are itself the biggest miracle of all - although we are quite accustomed to such miracles. As i stated before, I don't have full internet access and therefore I cannot access the article. You are welcome to email it to me shivisi at yeshvanet dot com. (I spell it out to prevent automatic spam!!!) i wish Avrohom would contact me as well....
28  |  Yosef, Friday May 02, 2008
Dear Jason, Don't be such a literalist, the Holocaust was one of many ways G-d punished Jews for not obeying Him. This has been the fullfillment of what the Torah has explicitly stated: If the Jews do what G-d asks of them, they will prosper, and if they reject G-d, they will be punished. This is referring both to Jews who reject Torah AND the so-called "religious" Jews who act improperly. When a child misbehaves, a good parent punishes - that is not vengeance? Don't blame G-d for being so harsh on the Jews and then sit there ignoring His commandments
29  |  Jason, Wednesday May 07, 2008
Daniel (26), so let me get this straight. You are arguing that the Holocaust occurred because of "our sins". Yet, strictly from a cursory view of the historical facts, Orthodoxy was profoundly more devasted by the Shoah than were the secular Jews. The (largely secular) Zionists, for example, ultimately succeeded in establishing a country and by making it flourish. So, if the Orthodox got punished as was promised that they would by the Torah, and the secular Zionists were successful in their efforts, by that calculation alone, you should reconsider your affinities.
30  |  Jason, Wednesday May 07, 2008
Yosef (28), you ask "When a child misbehaves, a good parent punishes - that is not vengeance?" Does a good parent punish by severing an arm, or removing an eye of his/ her child? What kind of parent is your God that he would annihilate 2 million innocent children in the Shoah? I have heard of "tough love", but your analogy is rather pathetic. My God is a more loving one as he not involved in the atrocities you are so willing to accept as an expression of a "just God". He restrains himself working solely within the laws of nature, idly standing by with disgust as he views our suffering.
31  |  Daniel, Thursday May 08, 2008
Jason (29) - I am not saying it's because of our sins, the Torah that you kissed last shabbos says so. That is the same Torah that your father a"h and his parents and grandparents kissed and died for over the centuries that says that because of our sins we are punished. As a nation we all paid a collective price for each other sins since we are all - orthodox, conservative, and reform - reponsible for each other. The rest of your comment makes little sense. Please either elaborate or reword....
32  |  Daniel, Thursday May 08, 2008
Yosef, please understand that Jason's God is bound by the laws of nature that he himself created. He is impotent to stop the murder of our 6 million by the Nazi beasts. He views our suffering and raises his hand in despair. After all, he is only God.....he is powerless against mere mortals! Our God on the other hand is an almighty one who controls every law of nature. Man is nothing against him. But when man sins, he will use the likes of the Nazi animal to smite him. Do we understand his ways? ABSOLUTELY NOT! But our love for him is not diminished.....
33  |  Avrohom - Israel, Monday May 12, 2008
Jason, you wrote, "Orthodoxy was profoundly more devasted by the Shoah than were the secular Jews." If you mean orthodox were slaughtered more so than secular jews, you are wrong, and you cannot support that with any facts or documentation. If you mean orthodox lost more because of the leadership that perrished under the murderous hand of the Nazis, you may be correct because secular Jews have no outstanding leaders of secular Judaism; there is no such thing. Either way, you have no clue, once again, what you are saying. In your world, there is no God, there is only man. You have failed.