Sunday Jun 14, 2009

The Hundred Years War

Posted by Seth Mandell
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For the first time in years, probably since Israel invited Yasser Arafat and his minions back into the West Bank in a march of folly that resulted in the death of thousands of Israelis and Palestinians including my 13-year-old son Koby Mandell, the sanctity of the "two states for two peoples" concept is being challenged. Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu [Bibi] so far has refused to utter the phrase and his Likud backers are begging him to resist the temptation. Conjecture about his Bar Ilan University policy speech touted as a response to Obama's Cairo address centers almost completely on whether he will utter the two state formula.  

Not that anybody really thinks the idea is a good one.  

Since the Olso agreement every Israel concession has resulted in accelerated and more brutal attacks on both sides. Beginning with Oslo and the second Intifada to the withdrawal from Lebanon, and the second Lebanon War, to the Gaza withdrawal and its aftermath, the Arabs have responded to each proposed compromise with escalating violence to which the Israelis have responded with ever more firepower and destruction. There is no evidence that giving Palestinians a state will lead to less loss of life and plenty that indicates it will increase it.

Yet those in favor of continuing down the two state path have a devastating response to all of their critics. What, they want to know, is your alternative? What is your solution to the "Palestinian problem"?  

I first read the uncomfortable, unpopular yet correct response to this question in a speech given by current Strategic Affairs Minister Moshe 'Boogie' Ya'alon. When still IDF Chief of Staff he told his charges that Israel is in the middle of a hundred years war. Of course we've already been fighting for a hundred years, from the time in 1909 when the first settlers set up HaShomer, a self-defense group to protect Jewish farms and kibbutzim, so 100 years is actually an optimistic estimate. But the point is the same. The war continues and will continue for a long time and in all probability in the short term nothing less than total capitulation, the destruction of Israel as a Jewish state will bring it to an end. 

We in the Western world believe that all problems are solvable. Waiting another fifty or a hundred years for peace is, of course, a horrifying thought. Tens of years more of death and destruction seems inconceivable. In World War II, the US Army Corps of Engineers coined the slogan that depicts the American attitude toward virtually any obstacle, "The difficult we do immediately, the impossible takes a little longer." As a Western-oriented people who look for our inspiration to the American experiment, we Israelis are an impatient, can-do people. In sixty years we have built a modern economic and military powerhouse. We are at the forefront of hi-tech and biotechnology. It cannot be that we cannot find our way to a just peace. 

The Arabs on the other hand have no such illusions about themselves and their ability to solve their problems. They believe in history and that history is on their side. For approximately 140 years, a series of European Crusaders fought for, conquered and lost control of Jerusalem and much of the holy land. Eventually they were defeated and returned to Europe. In the eyes of some in the Arab world, we are no different, non-Muslim interlopers who, if the pressure is kept up will eventually pack up and go back to Europe or America. That's why Yasser Arafat and the Palestinian intelligentsia systematically deny any historical Jewish claims on the holy land. Except for a significant minority, the Arabs have fought against the modern Jewish settlement here from its very inception. For 100 years, more than half of it before there was a recognizable entity called the Palestinians, the Arab world has been clear and implacable in its position that the Jews are European interlopers who have no right to be in Israel. The only time they have modified this stance is when the strength of the Israeli military makes it seem temporarily impossible to resist. 

But it is our desire for an instant peace based on the belief that, as Obama said in Cairo "if we choose to be bound by the past, we will never move forward" that will lead to our demise as a nation. A rejection of the past of the Jewish nation bound by history to this land will lead to our destruction. 

So if giving the Palestinians a state will not lead to peace what indeed is the alternative?   

Imagine for a moment that the Jews of Israel can hang on for another 40 years. On Israel's 100th birthday the era of oil and hence Arab power will in all likelihood be over. Between advances in Green technology and the depletion of oil reserves, the monetary fuel that powers Arab confidence in victory will be exhausted. As the technological world advances Israel advances with it and becomes stronger. At the same time the Arab world, mired in its obsession with tradition remains the same and falls even further behind the West.  Persuaded by Western aid and with no choice the Arab countries agree to absorb the Palestinian refugees. Gaza integrates into Egypt and the Arabs of the West Bank affiliate with Jordan while, buttressed by Western aid and connected to the Israelis, they run their own daily affairs. 

Gradually you have a sea change in attitude and actuality until there is no Palestinian refugee problem, no demographic problem, and no Palestinian problem. 

Our leaders, including Bibi have failed to articulate this vision. The West's' Macdonald's culture makes it politically untenable to promise more war before there will be peace. But it is this steadfastness in the face of adversity that will eventually lead to peace. 

If you will it it is no dream.

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1  |   Colin Beck, Surrey, B.C., Sunday Jun 14, 2009 Obama is a motivator for social change. Would you buy a lifetime subscription to Reader's Digest from him? That's what everyone who worships horsepower and has gasoline addictions is counting on. Netanyahu could sign a 7 year peace one stage at a time without anyone being the wiser. [18 months here, 2 years there, and then suddenly 31/2 years of war.] You won't know that the 31/2 years of phony peace has started, and you won't know for sure that you were in the 7 year Geat Tribulation until the war ends 31/2 years to the day after it started.
2  |   Chris USA, Sunday Jun 14, 2009 Your futuristic senario is off a bit. Poland will become the economic powerhouse of Europe. Israel and Egypt will become the dominant partnership in the ME and Arab oil will remain in demand as the primary source of nanotech universal contructors even as energy usage diminishes. After Hamas leadership is reigned in it is possible for Israel to redefine the palesinian partnership with Egypt by eliminating radical Arab demands and hostility towards Israel. Trust me it's on the way: "The difficult we do immediately, the impossible takes a little longer."
3  |   Uri Jerusalem, Sunday Jun 14, 2009 Basically correct. But the author still avoids the root cause of Israel's problem. Israel should no longer accept an a-symmetrical war with the Arab world (and especially the Palestinians). The Arabs are aiming at the destruction of their enemy. Israel has been trying to prevent that destruction- thus restricting itself to defense-a guarantee of defeat. Israel must stop playing for time and start playing FOR KEEPS. It's really not very complicated-Israel has to pretend that it is just like any other blood-stained country. Do what has to be done...or disappear.
4  |   Farid H., Morocco / Germany, Sunday Jun 14, 2009 Nothing fuels fanaticism and fundamentalism more than poverty. Once oil wells run dry, many (more or less) pro-western governments in the Arab world will probably tople and be replaced by extremely aggressive movements. Pressure on Israel will be not less, but more.
5  |   Morton Friedman Lanham, MD, Sunday Jun 14, 2009 As Chairman Mao so aptly put it, 'The Democracies are impatient'. It was the cornerstone of his guerilla warfare strategy. Proven after WWI, proven again in Vietnam. Proven daily in Western supermarkets, Instant coffee, Instant oatmeal, Instant rice. And those organizations like 'Instant' Peace Now.
6  |   Michael Ireland, Sunday Jun 14, 2009 Colin, I would not buy a Reader's Digest full stop. For once there is a President in the United States who seems to be articulate and is prepared to get communities to step up to the plate. I imagine in a short space of time, he will be saying to the Palestinians, "you, have to step up to the plate and modernise as regards responsibilities and behaviour." For an American President to take one side should not be acceptable any more. Project management is what has been lacking in this whole process. Blair, Ahern and Clinton showed management skills in respect of Northern Ireland.
7  |   chris pariseau, Sunday Jun 14, 2009 The land belongs to Israel. There should be no land give away. It was given to you by God wether you believe it or not.
8  |   dan kern, Sunday Jun 14, 2009 Seth, well written and on the mark! thanks.
9  |   Jay, Monday Jun 15, 2009 to#4 there will be plenty of jobs for the peaceful arabs to have when israel is the biggest economy in the middle east 40 years from today. like mexico to USA they will be sending workers to Israel happily(thye used to from the 1970s to 80s too). the only thing is that the palestinians along with the Israeli Army must rid the west bank and gaza of Terror Groups and Thier Financial backers
10  |   Kolade Obafemi, Nigeria, Monday Jun 15, 2009 You will never achieve peace by hoping that with time, the Palestinian issue will go away. It will always be there so long as they do not have a home land. Methink the PM was right in indirectly acknowleging the two states solution. The conditions he imposed, may proof the real obstacle. But some conditions are really not negotiable. The right of return of Palestinians will mean only one thing. The right to return to lands within the state of Palestime and no more. If Israel want peace, they will evacuate immediately, all settlements on palestinians lands.
11  |   Sam D USA, Monday Jun 15, 2009 To Farid Morroco..Listen to your own words.."Nothing fuels fanaticism and fundamentalism more than poverty. Once oil wells run dry" Your oil sheiks that have made tons of money from oil, but not to help their fellow Muslims in Arabia who live as u say in poverty! Rather they would keep them down in the garbage and then blame Israel while they whore and gamble in Monte Carlo! But big moneyt for arms tgo terrorist..thats fine. What a sick mentality. Is that in the Koran? Pressure on Israel? we Jews ahve learned to live with that for 4000 yrs. Its your people that will riot soon. See Iran!
12  |   Colin Beck, Surrey, B.C., Monday Jun 15, 2009 GAME THEORY AND THE EUREKA DISPLACEMENT THEORY: [ one name and three titles, 3 in 1 ] From the 2006 Game Theory has focused its attentions on displacing the spin doctors, the pope of Rome, and the 12th. hidden imam of Iran, while also installing W'olmert the faithful of Tel Aviv as King Ethelred the Second, ruler of the Anglo - American democracies. Game Theory accomplishes this by dealing squarely with the strong delusions of the day, [ such as Catholicism and Islam ] and by working with mathematical probabilities. Islam is a strong delusion, and militant Islam is a serious mental disorder.
13  |   David Naor, Herzliya, Israel, Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 "Not that anybody really thinks the idea is a good one"?? Perhaps in the religiously fanatic minority circles within which you live, but that is certainly not the case amongst most Israelis, or even amongst most Jewish Israelis, or even amongst most Jews in general! I am greatly saddened by the loss of your son, but that doesn't give you the right to pretend to represent Israel with your unfounded proclamations. You have been in Israel for just over ten years? You need to wait a bit before you can start making pronouncements about "we Israelis".
14  |   Roddy Frankel, Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 Reply to David Naor (#13): As a sabra (native Israeli) I can say that your anti-semitic attitude toward religious Jews is shameful. If secular Israelis such as yourself were as tolerant to Haredim as you are to Arabs, I would respect your opinions more. But instead of blaming the barbaric behavior of some Islamist extremists, you turn your anger toward the victims of the terrorism, as if their practice of Judaism somehow invited violence! Your anti-semitism is ugly and cruel. Are you ashamed of your religion? Do you hate yourself that much?
15  |   harry kuperhause Canda Israel, Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 'Mcdonalds' culture' What do you mean? Why are you heaping abuse on a very sucsesfull and worlwide profitable company? Do you haqve a problem with Capitalism, personal freedom and creating wealth? Harry Kuperhause
16  |   Renny, Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 The article was interesting but some of the replies are strange. Mr. Frankel it is the haredim who have a strange attitude towards secular Jews. They don't consider us Jews and that I won't accept. The fact that I am not religious but secular doesn't mean I am not Jewish. We may have different political opnions but that doesn't make me not jewish. I don't agree with the settlers but don't blame them as all our governments helped and are responsible for the situation we are in today. The victory of the 6 day war put our victory in the hands of God instread of our army, that's the problem
17  |   Sam D USA, Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 Listen David Naor...who are you to tell who is an Israeli or not! Roddy Frankel is right on! I am a secular Jew ina way..but I love my Jewishness and respedct rfeligious Jews also. I have to admit that our religion and Torah is the bedrock of Judiasm..without it we would be history. Your empathy for the Arab west banker and Gaza is disgusting. Are u sure you live in Israel? If ture , then u lefty Jews will ruin us or at least and give comfort to our enemies! Israel builds "settlements" and hamas shoots rocket into your land David and Obama equates that as both evil...thats sick!
18  |   joe smith, Tuesday Jun 16, 2009 Excellent analysis the real mistake was not really waging war in the first conflict in 48, when you had the chance there should have been an attempt to remove every arab west of the river..but your chance might arise again
19  |   bannister , USA, Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 Laughable if not so tragic a fallacy The Muslims will solve the Israel problem the American way..They have already mastered Remote control and they are now on the way to mastering the type of explosive the Americans used to solve their problem. The Muslims have defeated every interloper and certainly they feel they can match the ancient Romans who sent you packing,. You think hanging around for forty years will solve your problem? a hundred years hasn't. In 4 years Iran will have nukes by your furthest estimate. The Window on Oil may close but you will be dust long before it.
20  |   David Naor, Herzliya, Israel, Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 Roddy Frankel (#13), I don't know who you are responding to, but it is certainly not my post (read it again). I have absolutely no problem with religious Jews and never have. I, and most of Israel, DO have a problem with the fanatic minority in our midst who endanger the Jewish and democratic nature of Israel. As a veteran of the Six Day War and the Yom Kippur War, I can tell you that we are going to have to divide this land into two states. Get used to it. Netanyahu's popularity peaked after his speech. -- The rest of your post includes ravings that bear no relation to anything I wrote.
21  |   Chanya, Israel, Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 To David Naor: "WE are going to have to divide this land into two states." No Mr. Naor-"We" are can't divide anything. This is something that, if one agrees with the two states idea, has to be done IN PARTNERSHIP with the Palestinians. And they simply aren't willing to step up to the plate unless we accept conditions that will mean national suicide. The only other way "We" can divide the land ourselves is how we did it in Gaza-which also would be national suicide - rockets from two directions instead of one.
22  |   Chanya, Israel, Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 To David Naor #2: As an oleh, I find your comments to Seth Mandell not being here long enough to have a right to an opinion offensive in the extreme. Maybe you somehow missed it, but Israel was built on aliyah. How dare you? Seth Mandell is just as Israeli as you are. I am just as Israeli as you are. We are just as entitled to our opinions. And we are just as entitled to consider our opinions part of "we Israelis." There are many American Jews who, from the comfort of their homes, talk about what Israel needs to do. But we are the ones who actually came here. We have a right to speak up.
23  |   Joseph London, Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 I have long believed the West Bank should be run by the PA under Jordanian oversight, and Gaza run by the PA under Egyptian oversight. Jerusalem should have Jewish and Arab local government while being a united city under IDF security. Hamas are genocidal terrorists and Fatah are deeply corrupt. Left alone the PA would become part of Iran!
24  |   Lisa Cohen, Wednesday Jun 17, 2009 Israel was forced onto the land that was called Palestine (in 1948). Palestine (which existed prior to 1948) thus could NOT have been forced on to Israel. David Ben Gurion once mentioned that "make no mistake about it, we are the aggressors they (Palestinians) are the original inhabitants of this land." I'm not discrediting the Jewish state nor do I think that peace is out of reach or even desirable in the short term for Israel's economic interests. But, from a strictly moral view. Israel IS the aggressor. No peace will happen until this is understood. Think about it!
25  |   Sara Gary, Thursday Jun 18, 2009 Are we, and David Ben Gurion for that matter, forgetting that 'Palestine' is merely the new name given to the area of Judea/Israel by the Romans two thousand years ago and is the Ancient Homeland of the Jews.? Naming the area after the most formidable enemy of the Jews, the Philistines, to spite the Jew was a tragic mistake. To say that we the Jews who were expelled from our Homeland in Judea now 'Palestine' for two thousand years and have miraculously returned are the 'Aggressors' is a complete misnomer. Ben Gurion must surely have been misunderstood in some strange way.
26  |   Chanya, Israel, Thursday Jun 18, 2009 To Lisa Cohen: Yes, Israel is the agressor. The Palestinians have sent 7,000 rockets from Gaza in the past few years. They have blown up buses, restaurants, hotels, killing thousands of people. They have attacked school children. They have blown up hundreds of people gathered for a seder in Netanya. They have educated their children to hate Jews (don't believe me-look for yourself at their textbooks). They have openly called for Israel's destruction. But Lisa, you're right-Israel is the agressor. And your view of what extisted pre-1948 don't fit the real facts-sorry.
27  |   Farid H., Morocco / Germany, Saturday Jun 20, 2009 To #11 Sam D (continued). You also wrote: "But big moneyt for arms tgo terrorist..thats fine. What a sick mentality." Yes indeed, that's sick. And it is incredibly short-sighted too: just look at Pakistan, who's ISI practically invented the Taliban, or look at the Saudis who spread their fundamentalist wahhabism for decades and inspired Bin Laden and his acolytes. Isn't it funny how both Taliban and Bin Laden returned the favor by biting the hand that fed them? Poetic justice, if you will. But still, it doesn't invalidate my point in #4, or does it?
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