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Thursday Apr 10, 2008
Inside the Middle East: Terrorism's false numbers Posted by Martin Kramer
Comments: 19
According to the Gallup Poll, 7% of respondents think that the 9/11 attacks were "completely" justified and view the United States unfavorably.... the 7%, whom we'll call "the politically radicalized" because of their radical political orientation... are a potential source for recruitment or support for terrorist groups.
So an essential precondition for being "politically radicalized" is to believe that 9/11 was "completely" justified. The pool of support is only 7%. Don't you feel relieved? Respondents who said 9/11 was unjustified (1 or 2 on a 5-point scale, where 1 is totally unjustified and 5 is completely justified) are classified as moderates. Respondents who said 9/11 was justified (4 or 5 on the same scale) are classified as radicals.
Wait a minute.... In 2006, then, these same authors defined "radicals" not only as Muslims who thought 9/11 was "completely justified" (5 on their scale), but those who thought it was largely justified (4 on their scale). About 93 percent of the world's 1.3 billion Muslims are moderates and only seven percent are politically radical, according to the poll, based on more than 50,000 interviews.
Can there be a more distorted interpretation than that? Sure. Here's the Deutsche Presse-Agentur, reporting the same "findings": The overwhelming majority of Muslims - 93 percent - condemned the September 11, 2001 attacks on New York and Washington.
Ah. So anyone who didn't "completely justify" 9/11 is now thought to have somehow condemned it. Many continue to ask: If Muslims truly reject terrorism, why does it continue to flourish in Muslim lands? What these results indicate is that terrorism is as much an "out group" activity as any other violent crime. Just as the fact that violent crimes continue to occur throughout US cities does not indicate Americans' silent acquiescence to them, the continued terrorist violence is not proof that Muslims tolerate it. An abundance of statistical evidence indicates the opposite. (p. 95)
Of course, in America we don't have vast numbers of people who completely or largely or half-justify violent crime. We don't have bishops and journalists extolling its virtues. We don't teach our children that they'll go to paradise for killing a night attendant at a 7-11. And we don't wait for someone else to fight our crime; we police ourselves. Terrorism continues to flourish in the Muslim world precisely because many of Esposito's newly redefined "moderates" justify, excuse, and tolerate it - enough to allow it to burrow into the culture. This is why Who Speaks for Islam? is such a dangerous compendium of misinformation. Its purpose is to persuade us that Muslims don't have to do much of anything, and that the onus is on us - to banish "Islamophobia," or change our policies, or address the "grievances" of the "radicals." The book is a slick version of 9/11 denial. Its message is that the terrorists did what they did despite being Arabs and Muslims. In one of the survey's most striking findings, majorities in Indonesia, Turkey, Egypt, and Jordan say that they do not believe groups of Arabs carried out the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. The percentage of Turks expressing disbelief that Arabs carried out the 9/11 attacks has increased from 43% in a 2002 Gallup survey to 59% currently. And this attitude is not limited to Muslims in predominantly Muslim countries - 56% of British Muslims say they do not believe Arabs carried out the terror attacks against the US, compared with just 17% who do.
How can a book subtitled What a Billion Muslims Really Think not make so much as a single mention of this pervasive 9/11 denial? How many hundreds of millions out of the billion think 9/11 wasn't justified, because they suspect the CIA or the Mossad did it to smear the Muslims? And how would their believing that make them "moderate"?
1 | Said, London, Thursday Apr 10, 2008
So basically because they try to paint the Muslims in a better light that you like, you try your best demonize them. If the authors of the book are implying that the onus of terrorism is on the West, then your implication Mr Kramer is that since terrorism exists in some cultural form in the Arab and Muslim world, all Arabs and Muslims are to blame and they're all guilty by association. I think that you justifications for such analysis are far more dangerous than the purported "twistsing" of statistics that you decry.
2 | David Katcoff, Jericho, Vt, Thursday Apr 10, 2008
If most Muslims don't think Muslims did 9/11, then condemning 9/11 is no big deal, is it?
As the Pope has pointed out, Islam combines violence and religion, as is evident from its texts; he will not call Islam a religion of peace, and has said that it is not compatible with democracy.
Now, the Pope doesn't take Saudi money, so that lends his opinions a lot of credibility. Maybe if we'd listened to the pontiff we'd have made fewer mistakes in the War on Terror.
3 | Hank, USA, Thursday Apr 10, 2008
If Gallup had any credibility whatsoever, they would publish the full histogram of answers to the 9/11 question. What % answered 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5?
4 | Jon , Edmonton Can., Thursday Apr 10, 2008
You're right on the money here. I don't know what the above is trying to say in changing the blame from Esposito to you, but you're exposure of the falsehood in the Proffesors book is well done and should be be read by eveyone who loves life in a free world.
5 | Sheldon M., Thursday Apr 10, 2008
The so called modertate Arabs don't speak up enough against terror. Since 1972 (Munich Terror), Arab terrorists have been the curse of the world. The Arab street loves it. And now Islamic terrorists are even killing each other. So only 7% are the real terrorists? That would be 7% of a billion Muslisms...Said of London...you do the math.
6 | Thomas,Israel, Thursday Apr 10, 2008
You are twisting the facts,dude,not Mr.Kramer because You want the reader to believe,that he implied the guilt of ALL muslims,which is not true.He is speaking of the majority in muslim societies,which condones or at least tacitly accepts the terrorists and their so-called justifications for impardonable crimes and-a lot of them-based on passages from the Quran!.Your gratuitous insinuations concerning his intentions are a confirmation of Your lack of real arguments
7 | muslim, Thursday Apr 10, 2008
take an arab and put him in a desert where nobody can see him or hear him,tell him please think something good on the americans or israelis he'll tell you"you're mad! i don't want to die".IF the 7% radicalized donkeys say to the 93% "moderates" that the moon is bigger and brighter than the sun,the "moderates" will agree with them. A MODERATE IN THE ARAB/MUSLIM WORLD IS LIKE SOMEONE IN THE OLD USSR READING AN AMERICAN NEWSPAPER IN PUBLIC- HE IS EITHER KGB OR A MADMAN.When speaking to cnn/bbc arabs are moderates when speaking to aljazeera the arabs are themselves....
8 | Guy Macher FL USA, Friday Apr 11, 2008
I feel comforted to know only 90 million Muslims would like to kill me.
The other 1.2 billion don't care if I live or die.
Boy, I'm glad they follow a religion of peace, or I would be worried.
My answer to how many Muslims this world needs is the same answer to how many Nazis did this world need 70 years ago.
You do the math.
9 | jeremy chaundy..brazil, Friday Apr 11, 2008
Why should we be suprised, as the man said ' there are lies,damm lies and statistics'
10 | pop seal, Friday Apr 11, 2008
Muslims have been on jihad from day one. It was an Islamic jihad general that lamented, "I regret there are no more infidels to be put to the sword!" 7th century, in Spain....what Western foreign policy motivated him and his army? Maybe we might discuss the seige of Vienna, 1685..................Our Western political correctness is the best weapon OBL and his ilk have.
11 | Velvel, Friday Apr 11, 2008
Hey, great work exposing the sad apologetics for Muslim Terror. No Said's from London or any other Arab can change the obvious distortion you have pointed out wisely. Don't let Said's of London make you get a guilt complex. Terrorism is the fault of Muslims, NOT the west. I would venture a guess that a majority of Muslims think 9/11 was at least somewhat justified. Scary thought, yet very likely. Maybe they'll be honest and pony up the real data for us.
12 | Ben Yaakov Koppel, Friday Apr 11, 2008
To Said - Mr. Kramer's analysis is right on the money. Statistics can be manipulated to show whatever you want by changing the interpretation guidelines.
If Islam is a "religion of peace" why are their thousands of schooled throughout the world bankrolled by the gulf states that teach hatred of the West and of Jews. Why are all the terrorists and armed conflicts throughout the world involve Islam? Answer those questions Said?
13 | Jake T. USA, Friday Apr 11, 2008
Said of London...even if only 7% of the Muslim world are terrorists...with a billion Muslims...you do the math. So called moderate Muslims should be speaking out..not cheering on the sideline.
14 | B.Abrahams Voorburg Holland, Saturday Apr 12, 2008
Often having been in Muslim countries, where I had to keep quiet about my religion, either to get a visa or not to endanger my life, I generally found the people friendly, hospitable, but very misinformed about the world. When I jokingly said that I was an Israeli Jew, they didn't believe me because I was a normal human being!!!
How can you base any poll on their opinion, as it can never incorporate such a lack of basic knowledge.
15 | usa citizen, Sunday Apr 13, 2008
The West deserved it!?!! That's like saying I raped her because she wore a short skirt.
What God would grant you paradise for killing
innocents? What God would want you to strap a bomb to your body and then grant you multiple virgins in heaven? Not God, only
the devil would.
16 | David Guy Rehovot Israel, Sunday Apr 13, 2008
If there are approximately 1 billion Muslims in the world by Esposito's figures 7% makes a huge army (70000000). Even if only 1% actually take up arms that is larger than the entire US armed forces.
17 | Moises Bassan, Panama, Thursday Apr 24, 2008
The Quran and, most importantly, the Hadith, are replete with exhortations to violence. It is totally obvious that the behaviours we now associate with Muslims are a direct outcome of that.
No other group of people has ever responded with so much vehemence to a perceived wrong, even to the extent of blaming its own atrocities on others. Any comparison with other peoples in similar positions will show that this is completely obvious.
18 | S McCosker Australia, Saturday Apr 26, 2008
See Quran Surah 9. See Robert Spencer, 'Onward Muslim Soldiers', 'The Truth About Muhammad' & 'The Politically Incorrect Guide to Islam & the Crusades'; Bat Yeor, 'The Dhimmi'; & Bostom 'Legacy of Jihad'. Muslim texts + history show awful truth: Mohammed is a 'prophet' of war, Quran a book of war, Islam a religion of war.
19 | Donulvi Dolam - Australia, Wednesday May 14, 2008
South America was once full of so called Freedom Fighters (called terrorists by some and comunists by others) This went on until a smart guy somewhere realised that it was the USA who was behind everything they did, planned or thought of, so they changed tactics and went legal. Today the Tupamaros are a political party in Uruguay (in power) also in Argentina, Chile, Bolivia, Venezuela etc. Quite frankly sir Terrorism doesn't work exept for those who keep promoting it or otherwise keep it alive by talking about it constantly. A terrorist is neither a moderate nor a radical, he is a fool
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