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Thursday Sep 04, 2008
Koch's Comments: The right to abortion Posted by Ed Koch
Comments: 72
For those interested, I will be making my choice for president public next week. The candidates, we now know, are Barack Obama and Joe Biden for the Democrats and John McCain and Sarah Palin for the Republicans. My choice will be made next week, so nothing I write here should be perceived as an endorsement of either ticket. We support a human life amendment to the Constitution, and we endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment's protections apply to unborn children. We oppose using public revenues to promote or perform abortion and will not fund organizations which advocate it. We support the appointment of judges who respect traditional family values and the sanctity and dignity of innocent human life." I believe that both Palin and McCain support an exception to protect the life of the mother. The Constitutional right of abortion is dependent on the US Supreme Court which continues to support that right by a 5 to 4 vote in decision after decision. The Supreme Court membership is aging, and at least two vacancies are expected to be filled in the next presidential term. That one-vote majority can become a majority supporting the end of the right to an abortion in the first and second trimesters. Abortion in the third trimester has already been limited by Supreme Court decision.
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Dave,
Thursday Sep 04, 2008
Ed, you should consider the implications of Palin's belief's further. As a New Yorker, I can't imagine raising a severely ill child on what my two income household earns. I also can't imagine using the state's resources to raise the child, as they are barely sufficient for healthy children. These arguments go beyond the religious, but also must be considered. I simply don't have the resources to give to a child with such special needs. Maybe Palin does, but she can't force her ideals upon me, which is what she aims to do.
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Stacey, Odesa,
Sunday Sep 07, 2008
There are more pressing problems in USA, than the right to abortion. It is sad, that americans would choose their next president on the basis of this issue.
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Judy, nyc,
Sunday Sep 07, 2008
we should not be joining the frenzy of the anti-palin media mob considering how dangerous obama. sunday online nytimes features a big front page picture of gaza "youth" and an article to convey that these fanatical miscreants are just like us. obama's ties to muslims, including backer khalid mansour who funds the isna, and its president ingrid mattleson, an islamic fascist whose website calls for the murder of jews, is also tied to the fanatic muslim brotherhood. jew hater ingrid was an invited speaker at the democratic convention. a life long democratic voter, i vote mccain-palin.
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Elliot Eisenberg, Ann Arbor,
Sunday Sep 07, 2008
Your premise has some merit, but is faulty. True, many Americans have strong feelings about abortion. However, the comparison of tax policies (Obama's would cripple the economy), national defense (gutting the military as Europeans have done vs maintaining it), foreign affairs (facing up to Iran, Russia, Venezuela vs meeting unconditionally with their leaders), and education (school unions vs school choice) are also important. It is unlikely that the 90% of blacks who will vote for Obama care one way or another re his views on abortion.
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Pete Eriksen,
Monday Sep 08, 2008
Ed Koch should note what EFRAT said about "the decision of the 17-year-old daughter of Governor Palin to have her child "..
[ Link to page ]
"EFRAT commends Bristol for her brave decision. Although it may not be easy for her, Bristol is making the right choice for herself and for her unborn child."
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Brian, Bangkok,
Monday Sep 08, 2008
For an industrialized nation, America sure has a funny way of choosing policy. You'd think science and reason would dictate national policy, not unfounded religious (reps) and personal whims (dems).
If you put the abortion question up against science and reason you'd get only one answer - same goes for America's wars, her energy policy, education, crime, etc. Since America is so irrational and uneducated when choosing 'policy' I believe this article and its entire premise is irrelevant.
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David Katcoff, Jericho, Vt,
Monday Sep 08, 2008
Why are so many Christians so passionate against abortion, when in fact there is nothing in the Bible which refers to abortion? Perhaps it's because:the Christian Bible is the story of a mortal woman who gives birth to a deity, who is then unjustly killed. Thus, in an allegorical sense, abortion is a kind of crucifixtion. It helps if Jews can understand why Christians feel the way they do, while Chritians respect the civil liberties of others.
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Mitchell Kaplan, Pittsburgh, PA,
Monday Sep 08, 2008
You're right, Mayor Koch: The abortion issue will be determinative for many voters -- particularly liberal women and fundamentalist Christians. However, your statement about former Hillary supporters is not consistent with my experience. I worked hard for Hillary during the primary, in several states. What I witnessed about the way Obama and the Democratic Party handled this primary -- from the Texas caucuses to the Rules Committee meeting, via innumerable injustices -- was infuriating. I and many others like me find it very difficult to support the Democratic ticket this time around.
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Renny, Israel,
Monday Sep 08, 2008
I just read your blog Mr. Koch and I cannot believe that in the 21st century the right to life still exists. Not to allow abortion when rape or incest is the cause is disgraceful and I hope that people in America will go and vote, more than 50% this time as it is crucial that judges sitting in the High Court will respect people's right to choose. Anything else is dictatorship and not democracy.
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charles soper,
Monday Sep 08, 2008
The right to abortion is the right to kill an unborn child, with feet and hands, acoustic and tactile sensitivity and movement from weeks following conception. It's a disgrace for Renny to distract attention from the 99% of cases of social inconvience that lead to terminations, when very few are due to rape or incest. Around 20-25% of pregnancies in the US and the UK end in killing.
One of the reasons why people of faith reject abortions is the repeated references in the Prophets to the unborn (Jeremiah, Tehilim and Zechariah esp). It is almost a repetition of the sacrifices to Molech.
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CT Sherwin,
Monday Sep 08, 2008
Ed: As always, you never answered anything. Abortion destroys life--over 40,000,000 since the 1970's in the US alone. You can't reconcile that by a hypothetical question about what that moron Clinton would have done if his daughter became pregnant. What if Monika Lewinski would have become pregnant? Palin's daughter and her boyfriend were "engaged" and have been for over 9 months; I agree, they are young, but it is the norm in the frontier of AK to pair-up young. As to Monika? She would have kept the child because of her faith. Jews do not kill Jews, or should not. Shalom.
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Joel, Virginia,
Monday Sep 08, 2008
I was appalled at another's suggestion that income is the determinant used to judge which lives are worth protecting. How meager does one's income have to become before other family members look a little less viable? Are bubbie and zeyda safe if Dad gets a cut in salary? I hate playing the Nazi card, but the idea that a special needs child is expendable if keeping it means foregoing the new car reminds me that the Nazis found cause to kill the Jews, then gypsies, homosexuals and the handicapped. When one life is devalued it decreases the value of all lives. How sad when wealth becomes our G-d
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james hazan U.K,
Monday Sep 08, 2008
I would not be too concerned about Palin and abortion.Before choosing her, McCain MUST have spoken to her about the subject,he is a consumate politician and knows the disaster befalling the U.S.,if the subject is wrongly tampered with.At the very most make use of the English system. 1The patient is counselled.2.One Dr or psychiatrist agree. 3.The patient can see one of them without the parents,in short ,choose the one you need...capishe? Mr Koch should worry more about Obama."Jerusalem the undivided capital of Israel" he flipped plopped 24 hours later and "Always loved Jews."
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Steve Teicher - Florida,
Monday Sep 08, 2008
I think you have a good point. Note that Mayor Palin also tried to restrict what was in the public library. Also, I have a close friend who worked with pregnant women. Sometimes an abortion of one or more fetuses in a multiple birth situation did preserve life, but could not be proposed in a "Right to Life" state.
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David,milwaukee,
Monday Sep 08, 2008
The main determining factor is the safety of the Nation----------All; other issues are very important but that is my main concern. cab anyone doubt who is better prepared to leadthe nation.
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Joel, Pennsylvania,
Monday Sep 08, 2008
Too often the abortion or right to life is used as a front point but the issue is much larger - a society that supports life or one that doesn't. That includes families,death penalty, value of homes, value of elders etc. When you look at all the ills in the world, perhaps the very people who were put on earth by God to help those issues were aborted. We don't have polio today not because God cured it but becuase Jonas Salk was not aborted. Valuing life ties us all together in all its forms. It is in fact the big issues for society. Surely we can allow it for rape, health and limit it otherwise
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Saul - Israel,
Monday Sep 08, 2008
When the world is more wise, aborting the life of an unborn child for the sake of economic and lifestyle convenience (as opposed to health necessity) will be regarded by the general public with the same abhorrence as slavery and imprisonment for political dissidence. In the same way that people today are still baffled by the banal support for evil of a majority of the "civilized" citizens of Germany during WWII, hopefully soon we'll all wonder in astonishment how anyone could ever think of themselves as "ethical" while supporting indiscriminate killing of those who are truly innocent.
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Joel,
Monday Sep 08, 2008
To the Honorable Mayor Koch,
I have respected your insight even when I have disagreed but a certain premise in your article needs clarification.
While Roe v Wade guarantees a right to an abortion, the 1973 decision does place limits. Conversely, overturning the decision would not make abortion illegal. Legalized abortion existed pre-Roe v. Wade. Some pro-Choice legal scholars believe that Roe was bad constitutional law and should be overturned on that basis.
I wonder whether -with reckless driving, murders and abortion on demand etc.- we have cheapened life by becoming insensitive to it.
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jayzee, Boston, MA,
Monday Sep 08, 2008
Hey folks - you are not just voting for an individual - Obama or McCain - but for a party's platform, beliefs, and philosophies. I too supported Clinton for President. For all you disaffected democrats out there, think of the stakes and get over it. The issues from abortion, to health care, to the war in Iraq, and the future of America are too important. Weren't the last eight years of Republican rule enough? And for all those bigoted rumor mongers out there, Obama is vastly more intelligent than McCain. The future of the free world is in our hands...will we choose intelligently?
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Harry,
Monday Sep 08, 2008
I disagree with you on what will determine the outcome of this election. As was often said when Clinton was running for President, "It's the economy, stupid." And it always is. People vote their pocket book. And I don't know who you've spoken to, but many of the Hillary supporters I've spoken to said they would not vote for Obama. Some will vote for McCain, some won't vote at all, and , yes, many will out of pricipal continue to vote Democrat. As for me, I would have voted for Hillary, but, like Lieberman, I will vote for McCain because there is much evidence that tells me not to trust Obama.
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Gina Texas,
Monday Sep 08, 2008
Pro life people (such as myself) have a hard time understanding the people who think nothing of taking the life of the unborn---the most innocent in any society.
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Daniel-Atlanta,
Monday Sep 08, 2008
G-d allows about 25% of all abortions that happen. They happen with no human intervention. Since what G-d allows without human intervention is, by definition, an act of G-d, abortion in and of itself cannot be considered murder, since so defining abortion would mean that G-d was violating one of his own commandments by allowing murder as an act of G-d. G-d cannot violate himself, that we know. Thus, to say that abortion is murder is to call G-d a murderer. That cannot be so. Abortion is permitted to happen by G-d.
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Victor Galindo, CA, USA,
Monday Sep 08, 2008
When does 'life' begin. According to the 'pro-life fanatics, it begins when the sperm enters the egg. I ask, why not BEFORE the sperm enters the egg. After all, there is the 'potential' for life before that infinitesimal moment of entry. So every sperm and every egg are potential human beings. Ridiculous? Certainly. So are the fanatics who would impose their religious beliefs on everyone - at the point of a gun (that's how an evil law is enforced). Creationism & Science in the same classroom (Palin)? Why not plant bombs in every school that teaches science.- the same thing?
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Belinda Harding,
Monday Sep 08, 2008
Ed,when a pregnacy comes and our first response is to abort, why do we rail at God when our arms are empty."Children are the heritage of the Lord and the fruit of the womb is His reward".We cannot have it both ways. If we play God, who sees the future and we cannot, and try to pick and choose which pregnacy is good, then we play the game of Russian roulette and may never know the fullfilment of parents and grandparents.
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Matt, Maryland,
Monday Sep 08, 2008
Ed,
As a lawyer, you must know that the Supreme Courts "health of the mother" criterion allows late-term abortions for emotional health. When he was first asked, Sen. Obama said that he would not support late-term abortion just because the mother is feeling "blue." Yet the current law supports just that extreme position. The other extreme position is to ban all abortion except to save the mothers life, which even South Dakota refused to do. Sen. McCain will try to appoint Justices who will let the States enact moderate laws in between these two extremes.
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Jirgal, Haifa,
Monday Sep 08, 2008
I do wonder why Ed does not mention Obama voting against a loophole allowing born alive babies to be killed after a failed abortion. Palin's views are pretty prevalent in the general public, Obama's are on the fringe. But no doubt the leftists in the media will still try to paint the wrong person as an extremist.
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Dr. Sanford Aranoff, usa,
Monday Sep 08, 2008
Abortion must be permitted for the sake of the health of the mother. (Exodus 21:22)
If people are fighting and hit a pregnant woman causing her to abort her fetuses it is a crime punishable by a monetary fine. If they kill the woman, it is a capital crime. ABORTION IS NOT A CAPITAL CRIME ACCORDING TO THE TORAH!
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Sara Omaha, NE,
Monday Sep 08, 2008
Koch summed up the issue in the last paragraph -- "it's HER decision - whether to abort or carry to term . . ." The government should not make that decison for her. How anyone who supported Hillary could now support McCain/Palin is beyond my comprehension. Any how anyone could vote to put Sarah Palin a heartbeat away from THE MOST IMPORTANT JOB IN THE ENTIRE WORLD absolutely blows my mind. What in G-d's name makes her anywhere NEAR qualified to be President of the United States? I supported Hillary because I didn't think Obama had the requisite experience. Palin is a JOKE!!!!!!!!!!
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Jeff S -- Strasburg, PA USA,
Tuesday Sep 09, 2008
When the Roe v Wade decision is overturned, abortion will not be illegal, but individual states will then have the right to pass laws regulating it, if they so choose, as was the case prior to 1973. In Roe v Wade, the court struck down the abortion laws of all 50 sates, and created a near absolute "right" to abortion pretty much out of thin air. This is in contrast "real" rights -- ones that, while needing some explanation of exactly what they mean, are at least explicitly mentioned in the constitution -- freedom of the press, right to bear arms, no slavery, etc.
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marie nevada,
Tuesday Sep 09, 2008
As an American, I believe in the right to choose; the right to choose not to have sex outside of marriage, the right to choose not to have unprotected sex, especially if finances or my health dictate I cannot afford any child nor carry it safely to term. Once those choices have been made and another life is at stake then the only choice is to either keep the child or place in adoption. Abortion as a form of birth control should be repugnant to the religious and non religious alike. Doesn't both camps have some moral standard?
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Amidut - New Jersey,
Tuesday Sep 09, 2008
The real issue is the colossal Republican mismanagement of the American economy and a costly, aimless war in Iraq. We shouldn't be sidetracked by the abortion issue and all the religious ayatollahs it brings out of the woodwork.
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Dan; Capa, SD,
Tuesday Sep 09, 2008
Mr. Koch:
How would you feel if your own mother believed in what you call "The constitutional right to an abortion" decided that she didn't want you and terminated her pregnancy before you were born?
Think about it.. there would be no Ed Koch!
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Gideon Pieters, Christchurch,
Tuesday Sep 09, 2008
This seems the article is from a city-dweller. I enjoyed the background documentary I saw last week on Sarah Palins' live, this seemed a true woman of the land that is not afraid to say it as it is. If the American election happens to be about abortion, I do hope the Americans choose live over death and do not follow in the footsteps of Europe. Enthusiasm and passion seem to have left the continent once they started to embrace a culture of death (with Euthanasia the next step), at least I don't find the people overly happy there.
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Gus, Mississippi,
Tuesday Sep 09, 2008
For some of you who think abortion is not in the Bible, read about the 6 things God hates in Proverbs 6: 16-19. What can be more innocent than an unborn baby?
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Jerry - London KY,
Tuesday Sep 09, 2008
Is abortion murder? One says yes the other says no ... God knows.
Live today like you will die tomorrow ... for tomorrow ... we will meet God.
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Yitzhak US,
Tuesday Sep 09, 2008
The Bible does make it clear when life starts . 2Sa 11:5" And the woman conceived; so she sent and told David, and said, "I [am] with child." From what it says here in 2nd samuel 11:5 that the woman conceived and said that she was with child. Life begins at conception. Most pro abortionists will admit that they really don't know when life "does" start. It's a certainty that they don't believe that it starts at conception. #12 Joel makes a great point.And #9 Renny, shouldn't the "Right to Life" be the norm even in the 21st century? oy vey. Voting for Mccain/Palin is voting 4 what's right.
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David - NYC,
Tuesday Sep 09, 2008
Why is Ed Koch's opinions and thoughts relevant? I thought the Post was a source for Israel news. Here we have the musings of guy who lives in New York, happens to be Jewish, and advocates policies that have absolutely nothing to do with Jewish values. A secular outlet in his country of domicile might be an appropriate forum for his views. Does anyone really come to the Jerusalem Post for updates on what this foreign has-been is thinking?
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Gary A Glaser, Hutchinson, MN,
Tuesday Sep 09, 2008
To # 7: I used to think like you, and, in fact, was a big pro-choice supporter in South Dakota back in the 1970's and 1980"s. However, you are wrong on 2 points. Exodus 21: 22-25 relates to abortion. If you do a search on "Judaism and Abortion", you'll come up with the orthodox Jewish view of abortion, which is basically what I now subscribe to.
You are also wrong about the woman giving birth to a deity. I defy anyone to tell me where in the Bible it says Jesus is a deity. And who was he praying to if he was the deity?
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roberta merrick ny,
Tuesday Sep 09, 2008
mayor koch, obama has proven to be inexperienced, prone to flip-flopping, is assocaited with anumber of dubios "friends , is not a friend of israel becausse he has too many muslim friends and contacts such as hamas,khalid mansour. i even watched a video on the jewish post website showing two palestinian men making calls from gaza in support of obama. politically, his ideas about meeting with dictators without preconditions is naive. o'reilly finally got obama to admit that the surge was succesful beyond our wildest dreams. his tax proposals are not economically sound. he is no hillary clinton
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Pete Eriksen,
Tuesday Sep 09, 2008
It's not just the Christians..
Isaiah 49:1
Listen, O islands, to me; and listen, you people, from far; The Lord has called me from the womb;
Jeremiah 1:5
Before I formed you in the belly I knew you; and before you came forth out of the womb I sanctified you, and I ordained you a prophet to the nations.
Also...
Hosea 12:3-4:
"The Lord ... will punish Jacob according to his ways; according to his doings will he reward him. He took his brother by the heel in the womb.."
An unborn child is responsible for his actions under the law. And those under the law are entitled to its protection.
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Pete Eriksen, Alaska (conclusion),
Tuesday Sep 09, 2008
I think the Rabbis err is deciding the protection of the law begins when the baby's head emerges. What the law really says is that OWNERSHIP of the child passes from the mother to the father when his head emerges. It doesn't matter who owns a person under the law, they are still entitled to the protection of the law - even slaves. And BTY, the father technically owns his wife, the mother, throughout the whole process. And she is protected by the law continuously - her status doesn't change.
In other words: I think the Rabbis are confusing ownership under the law, with protecton under the law,
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Binyamin,
Tuesday Sep 09, 2008
I'm not yet sure who I will be voting for, but I am sure of a few things A: Mr. Koch you were a good Mayor but this is just silly, it makes sence that they would have supported Chelsea in such a case had she decided to keep the baby, and it makes sence that had she decided to abort they would not. I don't need to read your article to gain such knowledge although it is worth pointing out that it would be much worse for it to happen when a president or VP was in office.
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Binyamin,
Tuesday Sep 09, 2008
As for the abortion issue. I'm sick of the debate on abortion hijacking politics and even presidential elections, it should be settled one way or another permanently. What is so hard to understand, Those who see it as murder want it banned the same way it is illegal to commit any other murder.
Those who do not see it as murder feel the woman should have the choice. Of course there are issues such as trimester, and more importantly if a woman was raped I believe many pro lifeers would still respect an abortion in such a case.
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Ger---Raanana, Israel,
Tuesday Sep 09, 2008
What you are not taking into consideration is the fact that, in all likelihood, there will be a Democratic Congress. A Republican President will not be able to name an anti-abortion Justice to the Supreme Court,
so it would probably result in a more moderate candidate.
A McCain-Palin Administration would be far safer for those of us living in Israel, and in the Western world in general.
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Mark - USA,
Tuesday Sep 09, 2008
COMPLETELY DISAGREE with Mayor Koch that abortion will be a determining factor in the election. Many women chose abortion before the Roe v. Wade decision and many have chosen life since. Legislation and court decisions are unlikely to affect people's choices; these are deep heart issues. With so many pressing issues in the US and the world in general (and I say this as an ardent pro-life supporter), it's hard to imagine that many voters would make abortion their #1 issue this November.
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yona loriner tel aviv,
Tuesday Sep 09, 2008
The real issue is the colossal Republican mismanagement of the American economy and a costly, aimless war in Iraq. We shouldn't be sidetracked by the abortion issue and all the religious ayatollahs it brings out of the woodwork.
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yona loriner,
Tuesday Sep 09, 2008
i think everyone can agree that if the fetus is developed enough to live outside the womb its not just a piece of meat anymore other than that??? whats wrong with abortion?
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Monica, Houston, Texas,
Tuesday Sep 09, 2008
#7 Abortion and Partial Birth Abortion has been going on since ancient times. In Exodus we read where the king of Egypt tells the Hebrew midwives to kill the Hebrew males on the birthing stools (but to allow the females to live.) However, the midwifes feared G-d and did not carry out this evil deed. Those who do not fear G-d, will abort their children and are deluded in thinking things will go well for them. 50 million US citizens have been aborted since Roe v. Wade. Now the country has a Social Security crisis due to a lack of young people paying into S.Security. Talk about consequences.
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Dave,
Tuesday Sep 09, 2008
Okay. So a fetus has rights. If a woman has a drink, and damages her baby, is laible for a crime? If she falls and damages the fetus is she guilty of manslaughter? How absurd.
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Martin Weiss, Los Angeles, CA,
Tuesday Sep 09, 2008
To David Katcoff- The Bible speaks definitely and forcefully against abortion! Primarily, in the 6th Commandment, "Thou shalt not murder" (Exodus 20:13), also immediately following, equating the seriousness of hurting or killing the unborn child with hurting and killing human life outside the womb (Exodus 21:22).
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yona loriner,
Tuesday Sep 09, 2008
if the baby is developed enough that it can live on its own it doesnt matter where it is walking running or in a crib or in the stomach!!!! its murder unless of course the mother is in danger! but if it cant live on its own thats a debate i would lean left (pro choise)
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Fred, New York,
Tuesday Sep 09, 2008
It's interesting that an 83 year old male bachelor is concerned about the abortion issue. Ed, trust me: I don't think you will need an abortion. If I'm wrong, then you have a steak dinner on me at Peter Luger's. OK? Oh, and as an American attorney, you should know that only the Supreme Court (not a President) can limit the right to abortion, while only a Constitutional amendment can completely ban it. Right to LIfe doesn't have the votes, so again, you won't see this in our lifetimes.
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Benita Tulloch Kalispell, Montana USA,
Wednesday Sep 10, 2008
Pro-choice...Really?? Isn't Pro-choice the "right" to choose death for the one who has no chance to choose life? Let's be honest!!
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Anna, Texas,
Wednesday Sep 10, 2008
To #7: What about the Civil Liberties of the unborn child? Many Christians believe that the moment of conception is when God breathes life into each and every one of us. And why is it that the Bald Eagle, or the Blue Whale, and various other endangered species have Civil Liberties but a human child does not? They are animals, not humans, yet their lives are protected. How is that LOGICAL in any way? G-d gave man dominion over all the animals, that is theology that crosses into both Christianity and Judaism.
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HH USA,
Wednesday Sep 10, 2008
Dave comment #1 is amazing. I have raised special child on moderate income. Since when the money issue is part of the discussion. I agree with Stacy completely. The USA has higher priority problems now. The abortion problem is not on top of the list. With all due respect to the ex mayor of NY - we do not need your endorsment. We are intelegent enough to choose.
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Pete Eriksen, Alaska,
Wednesday Sep 10, 2008
Unborn Victims of Violence Act - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
[ Link to page ]
[[The operative portion of the law, now codified as Title 18, Section 1841 of the United States Code, reads as follows:
Sec. 1841. Protection of unborn children
(a) (1) Whoever engages in conduct that violates any of the provisions of law listed in subsection (b) and thereby causes the death of, or bodily injury (as defined in section 1365) to, a child, who is in utero at the time the conduct takes place, is guilty of a separate offense under this section.]]
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Ted, California,
Wednesday Sep 10, 2008
No doubt with the best intentions, Mr. Koch raises two strawmen in order to demolish them. He goes to a retirement home -where old people have voted one way all their life- to test the pulse of the nation and, surprise, they will mindlessly vote as they always did. He raises the specter of a Republican nominating anti-abortion Justices, but fails to note that, of the nine judges in the Supreme Court today, seven were appointed by Republican presidents. Since the Court has a pro-abortion minority of four, it follows that Republicans are less rigid than Democrats on this matter.
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Frank Molnar, Carmel, IN USA,
Wednesday Sep 10, 2008
Sadly, we have reached the point in this country that we are too ignorant or too affraid to use the right words. We say on the one hand "the right to life" and counter it on the other side not with "the right to kill but "pro choice" or "abortion". How can we have an honest debate when one talks about one thing while the other pics its own topic. An other example, we say "whites" versus "African Americans". White is a color, African American is not. Let's try to be honest in our discussions.
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Minuteman California, USA,
Wednesday Sep 10, 2008
The defining Issue of our time is the World War( IV)--on Islamo-Fasicism. Defeating the Islamo-Fascists is the USA most crucial task and the Man who describe Islamists "EVIL OF OUR TIME" is John McCain. Barak Husain Obama failed when asked.
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EMG - USA,
Wednesday Sep 10, 2008
Let's step back here and discuss the abortion issue. I KNOW that abortion terminates a LIFE. I do not KNOW if I should tell others what to do when it relates to abortion. Anyone who does not concede the first point is fooling themselves and is perhaps using the alterative response to soothe a guilty conscience. None of us are smart enough to draw a line in the sand, outside of conception, as to when life begins.
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EMG - USA,
Wednesday Sep 10, 2008
Daniel-Atlanta: I want some of what you're taking. Not an ounce of logic there pal. Nice try.
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Dave, New York,
Wednesday Sep 10, 2008
To 55 HH USA-The state of healthcare in the USA barely covers healthy children & families. The Republicans want to force their family planning agenda upon the country, but don't believe in universal healthcare. They are against abortion, and against paying for the consequences of not having an abortion. It is a side issue to a bigger question, yes; and there are more important issues in the USA, but there are other blogs to read as well. Kudos that you are managing.
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yona loriner,
Wednesday Sep 10, 2008
im not pro choice as in that its right!!! i just think that the government cant tell us what to do if the fetus cant life on its own yet than i think it should be up to the mom! btw im not left wing im just anti government and i dont think they have any rights to pass laws that arent their biznis!!! no i dont think abortion is right i think its horrible in the strongest terms but the government doesnt have to tell us that we can figure it out on our own!!!
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yitzhak US,
Wednesday Sep 10, 2008
38, you sound like a jehovas witness.There are plenty of places in the brit chadasha ie new testament that talks of the diety of Jesus/manifestation of G-d in the flesh.But you guys get your orders from the "watch tower" rather then read for yourselves from the Scriptures.You know, predigested food &such. there are just to many to point out #38. by the way, if you are a jehovas witness, there is no where in the Tanach that His name is spelled jehova. that is a man made perception by adding vowel markings where there shouldn't be any.His Name is yodh, heth, vav, heth.. YHVH unpronouncible.
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Simone de Beauvoir,
Wednesday Sep 10, 2008
THE SOCIETY CARES MORE ABOUT AN EMBRYO THAN ABOUT A HUMAN BEING. (To all from above who identify themselves with embryos and not with the REAL WORLD they are dealing with).
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Steve Fla.,
Wednesday Sep 10, 2008
Have Jews become pro-death? Is this what we Jews are about? Killing our children? Death rather than life is the Jewish ideal? Ed Koch should be ashamed of himself. As a Jew, I am embarrassed by Ed Koch and his extreme views. Shame on you Ed.
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Arthur Dieli, Sacramento, California,
Thursday Sep 11, 2008
Dear Mr. Mayor,
Your conclusion that abortion will be the determining factor in deciding the election seems to me to be a very pessimistic view of the electorate. There are so many competing issues and so many competing personalities. A thoughtful voter is going to have a difficult time making his or her choice.
Iran, Iraq, Afghanistan, Hezbollah, Jihad, Terrorism, Security, Oil drilling, Foreclosures, Inflation, Universal Health Care, Gay Rights, G.I.Bill legislation, Alternative Fuels, Charter Schools, Teacher Tenure, Immigration, etc. Each voter has a unique list.
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Dan FV NC,
Thursday Sep 11, 2008
The main issue for the Liberal Dems is the freedom to kill Last Nights Mistakes . G-d will punish them for the millions of babys they have murdered .
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R. Edelman, Oakland, California,
Thursday Sep 11, 2008
McCain and Palin endorse policy that reaches beyond abortion. They specifically state that full human rights start at conception.The effect would be to outlaw many forms of birth control, in vitro fertilization and stem cell therapy. After all, if a fertilized egg has full human rights, then any birth control method that prohibits the implantation of fertilized eggs in the uterus, as well as discarding or freezing unused embryos during in vitro fertilization, is a violation of their human rights. They do not openly state this as it would be politically unpopular.
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ruti,
Thursday Sep 11, 2008
I agree that a woman has the right to do with her body as she wants, the problem is the body that she is killing is not her own. Aclasic example of not taking responsiblity for your actions. When will we start killing grandma because she requires extra help and costs money.
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Dr. Sanford Aranoff, Monroe Twp, NJ, USA,
Thursday Sep 11, 2008
To # 50
You did not read my previous comment # 27. Quoting the same verse Exodus 21:22, we see that if a person kills the fetuses of a woman the punishment is a monetary fine. We do not execute the person who killed the fetuses unless he killed the mother!
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Dave, New York,
Thursday Sep 11, 2008
To 55 HH USA. You spelled "intelligent" wrong...
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