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Thursday Jun 26, 2008
Koch's Comments: The next Manhattan Project Posted by Ed Koch
Comments: 23
The availability of the hydrogen-powered car, the Honda FCS Clarity, just leased to several hundred people in southern California, reinforces for me the need for an urgent government research program Last year, $327 billion flowed from the United States to oil producing countries, hugely contributing to our current economic crisis. This year the dollars spent on importing foreign oil are undoubtedly far greater: oil in 2007 ranged from $60 to $92 a barrel and last week reached $139. America's estimated annual oil bill for 2008 will be $400 billion. According to The New York Times of June 20th, "Honda's president said that the Clarity costs several hundred thousand dollars to make," so it isn't really anything more than a gimmick today. However, with government-backed research, it is likely that we could make the hydrogen engine and battery readily available at an affordable price. The Manhattan Project - building the atomic bomb - cost $2 billion, $21 billion in today's dollars. A similar program dedicated to dealing with the country's energy crisis could help develop new nuclear power plants and refineries, and expand drilling offshore and in Alaska, including ANWR (Arctic National Wildlife Refuge). Energy is to industry what oxygen is to humans and other animals. Without it we would die, and in the case of energy, our standard of living would be vastly reduced. A Manhattan Project would enlist, as it did in World War II, the best minds available who could determine what is practical and environmentally safe. It would deal with short-term and long-term measures, including conservation, and its scientific breakthroughs would be available to all of America's industry. Naysayers are quick to claim that none of these measures alone will end our dependence on foreign oil and often point out that 79 percent of existing offshore oil leases are not being developed. If offshore oil leases are not being exploited, we should ascertain why that is the case, and take immediate measures to penalize offending oil companies. Congress, for its part, is also shirking its duties. It has failed to come up with an effective energy plan. All we see is partisan wrangling, while all Americans suffer. It is both ridiculous and catastrophic that the current presidential election may be decided by the price of gas in late October which some experts have suggested may reach $5 per gallon. Let me offer a proposal to both candidates - Senators Obama and McCain. Why not, in order to lessen the huge impact on the discretionary dollars available to Americans today because of the cost of filling up the gas tank, make the cost of transportation that is employment related, including expenditures for gas, train and subway, a tax credit for amounts spent, available on income taxes to be filed this year. In case you're wondering, a tax credit gives the taxpayer the benefit of dollar for dollar spent. There has been talk by economists and the candidates of the need for a second stimulus. Why not address a huge problem - cost of transportation - and provide a stimulus at the same time?
1 | Donulvi Dolam - AUSTRALIA, Thursday Jun 26, 2008
Nuclear Power? - Mr Kosh; I am a friend of Israel and firmly believe in its right to exist but as long as people like you and I keep insisting that Iran not be allowed to have nuclear power (for obvious reasons) we shoud also stop calling for ANY other nation to build new nuclear power plants. On this one issue sir, you have become a hypocrit. After all what is allowable for one nation should also be the same for others. So make up your mind as to where you stand, right or wrong, we all made our choices, so should you.
2 | Ray Saperstein, Baltimore, MD, Thursday Jun 26, 2008
I totally agreed with everything Mr Koch said until he proposed the tax credit. It is the pain of paying high gas prices that is finally moving Americans to abandon gas-guzzling cars, and change their commuting habits. I have read posts by people who live in areas where 70 mile one-way commutes are common in which they said they are now looking for carpools and other alternatives. These are the measures we need to get people to conserve. If you knew that every dollar you paid for your commute would be returned to you, why would you conserve?
3 | moo7se, USA, Thursday Jun 26, 2008
After 9/11, and maybe before, Thomas Friedman of the NY Times, suggested the Manhattan Project and funding it with a $1 tax on gas. Of course, congress and the President ignored this. Though very late, it is not too late.
4 | Morton Friedman Lanham, MD USA, Thursday Jun 26, 2008
Recognize the influence of NIMBY (NotInMyBackYard) politics. When I lived in NYC, my parents never had a car, nor needed one. I did not even learn to drive until I graduated college and left NYC. Public transportation was more than adequate. Any transportation system engineer will tell you that long-haul shipping efficiency will list water-borne first, railroads second, and trucking a very poor third. But the automotive lobby trumps all others.
Energy for industry, electricity, will list nuclear, hydro, geothermal, winds, high. Oil will be at the bottom. Note the actions of Sen. Kennedy.
5 | moo7se, USA, Thursday Jun 26, 2008
After 9/11, and maybe before, Thomas Friedman of the NY Times, suggested the Manhattan Project and funding it with a $1 tax on gas. Of course, congress and the President ignored this. Though very late, it is not too late.
6 | Morton Friedman Lanham, MD USA, Thursday Jun 26, 2008
An add-on. Recognize that the Honda hydrogeen car is a 'gimmick', costing millions. Compare it to hydrogen technology developed by NASA for rocket propulsion, and Apollo fuel cells. Vey, very expensive. Both in direct cost and the costs of the energy needed to separate hydrogen, store it , and use it. But it is effective in very specific applications. Makes for great headlines, and science fiction stories. Can there be a breakthrough? Of course, but I am also waiting for a simiilar breakthrough in Cancer and AIDS. Lots of $$$$, little to show for it. But keep trying, but don't bet on it.
7 | Morton Friedman Lanham, MD USA, Thursday Jun 26, 2008
cont.
The Manhattan Project was billions/ But it was based on demonstrated technology. It was a development program, taking demonstrated technolgy to an operational level.
Hydrogen technology has some of the same attributes, but the problems are well known, and require technologies that are non-existent. It is prudent to try to find those missing technologies, it would be totally imprudent to spend billions in the HOPE that they would appear, as if by magic. It has been said that invention is 1% inspiration and 99% perspiration. But without the 1%, there is nothing.
8 | Kenneth LDavis VidorTexa 940 terry rd. 77662, Friday Jun 27, 2008
1 I would recycle every pice of trash . We texan are puoud of our state of Texas because we areall ready recycle everythang years ago we started cleaning up the trash alone the hightways
on our beaches thank to all the people in texas who in doing thier best in makeing Texas for the modle of the nations IM very proud of ourGonernor who is doing his best to be the leader of texas
we are doing our beat to get hho an wind miles solor power an as citien of Texas Im very to help in any to help in devloping new engery. we have have the wiisdom an knoleadge to resape the hold world .
9 | Tzvi Nokam/amerikkka, Friday Jun 27, 2008
The arabs placed an oil embargo on amerikkka 34 years ago. Why is Koch suddenly proclaiming the need for amerikkka to become free of foreign energy supplies?
Something is fishy about ALL the amerikkkan politicians who have not tried to get amerikkka off imported oil in the last 34 years. Koch is included in this fishy group.
10 | David Katcoff, Jericho, Vt, Friday Jun 27, 2008
Great ideas, Ed. I have another: Let's send our troops to the Middle East to sieze all of the oil assets from the Islamofascists, thereby simultaneously getting a secure oil supply while starving the Global Jihad of funds.
11 | Philo K /Can., Friday Jun 27, 2008
TO # 8
Keep your recycled TEXAS Trash to yourself,
another Texan oil-Bushman
and you can kiss the AMERICAN economy goodbye,,,,
12 | Victor Galindo, CA, USA, Friday Jun 27, 2008
Actually, the Honda car is very nice, but toady's reciprocating engine have been shown for decades to be readily converted to hydrogen or any one of many other fuels. A study in Europe showed that for about 50 billion dollars, a Europe wide distribution system could be constructed. Some of the fools who oppose making hydrogen from nuclear energy would rather breath carbon monoxide.every day. Maybe our bodies cannot adapt to CO free air. I'm willing to try. The idiot #1 above should wake up from his long sleep. The WTC disaster would be nothing when Iran gets nukes.
13 | Morton Friedman Lanham, MD USA, Friday Jun 27, 2008
Yes Tzvi. The first embargo was an Act of War that the US, and the West, just laughed off. This latest jump in oil prices is again an Act of War, and our politicos make every excuse not to call it that. They speak of 'moderate' friends in the oil producing countries. A joke, a bad joke. The USA could go it alone, but that would mean abandoning many countries that do not have substitute resources. It is not a problem that can be fixed overnight, and every solution will be fought by the so-called environmentalists, but energy is the lifeblood of modern societies. The Medievalists know that.
14 | bannister Sanfrancisco, Saturday Jun 28, 2008
The only thing missing is the political will and leadership.
The only obstacle are the entrenched interests who will object to any new thing which will interfere with their ability to squeeze every last penny out of the consumer.
There are no real technical challenges to energy independance.
100 square miles of Nevada could provide all the US electrical needs with solar arrays.
Nuclear power clean coal etc Wind and distributed solar can provide for the off hours needs.
In 1980 we proved Fusion power as feasible inthe Tokamac project.
15 | Rich Tan, Saturday Jun 28, 2008
hydrogen is a gimmick very far in the future; lithium ion is here now, electricity infrastructure is everywhere; notice that saudis bribed that asian mit guy who developed a better lithium ion battery to come work in their "high tech" university to bury his research.
16 | FRANNIE-----USA, Saturday Jun 28, 2008
I SAY WE ALL WAIT ON THE BIG E TO SOLVE THE OIL CRISIS!!!
17 | Victor Galindo, USA, Saturday Jun 28, 2008
Those who argue that the problem of nuclear 'waste' will take hundreds or thousands of years to dispose of should note that there is clear solution to that problem NOW. Dump all the waste in Saudi Arabia, Iran, N. Korea, Libya, etc..
18 | Marty, Maryland, Sunday Jun 29, 2008
I agree with Mr. Koch. With all the new technologies available it is a shame that we are still supporting the enemies of Israel by using oil. Everyone I see I ask "Nu, when are you getting your Prius?" Thank G-d that Toyota had the vision and courage to make hybrids available at an affordable price.
19 | suitepotato - USA, Sunday Jun 29, 2008
Solar, wind, geothermal, hydro, etc. don't solve any problems at all except the one that statists are forever pouring over: how to control the individual and subject them to the power of the state.
Gasoline is so wildly successful because it has safe, high density, easily released energy storage. It lets the individual go where they want, when they want, how they want.
Somewhere along the way I developed humility and conscience and will tell you what other smart people like me won't: the only solutions that can work must work with people and their nature, not against them. No easy fixes.
20 | Uri DeYoung, Samaria, Sunday Jun 29, 2008
Koch calls for yet another "urgent government research program" -- like bio-fuel subsidies which have driven up food prices and pushed the world's poor to the brink of starvation. Koch and his friends never seem to take into account the unseen outcomes of of their harebrained schemes. How much private research money will be diverted to Koch's government program? Why should workers who live near their places of employment be forced to subsidize other's uneconomical commuting habits? Market prices lead us to make better choices. Subsidies merely subsidize bad decisions.
21 | Morton Friedman Lanham, MD USA, Monday Jun 30, 2008
suitepotato, #19, is partially correct. Gasoline, or rather petroleum, is the 'best' fuel for portability. Although I will remind him that Otto Diesel designed his first to run on a slurry of powdered coal. The other sources of energy are not portable, they are only sutable for fixed plants. And it is not a case of one size fits all. It would be absurd to consider hydro in the Sahara desert for example. But listen to the politicos of today, 10 years to get off-shore oil? The Manhattan Project was 4 years! The Neptune pipeline, England to France, after D-Day was what? A few weeks!
22 | Roberto (Argentina/Mexico), Monday Jun 30, 2008
Working myself in the oil industry, I am terrified whenever someone talks about the "hydrogen car" or something like that. The fact is that the oil industry creates millions of jobs all over the world, directly or indirectly, and has helped in the creation of new technologies, used later in other fields. There are enormous untapped resources of oil in deep water and when the price becomes right, the oil companies will go for it. The high oil prices may seem outrageous, but there are also hidden benefits, like a substantial increase in the number of jobs and development of new technologies.
23 | Fred, Houston, TX, Sunday Jul 27, 2008
I agree with most of the intent of Mr. Koch's entry. Energy security and increased environmental standards are worthy of a great American effort. I am for an approach that includes "all of the above" energy sources, including opening up new domestic areas for oil and gas drilling. However, the government needs to be careful which technolgies it is promoting and provide a market mechanism so that the best technologies take hold. As for the milions of acreage being held under lease, leasehold terms need to be sufficinetly short to avoid companeis sitting on too much acreage.
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