Tuesday Feb 12, 2008

Koch's Comments: The final three

Posted by Ed Koch
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The three remaining serious candidates for president - Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama and John McCain - are all qualified for the job. The fourth candidate - Mike Huckabee, who flip-flops on accepting the theory of evolution - is not. How, in the modern age, can we have a president who wavers on basic biology?

So, the ultimate choice will be between three widely different candidates. Hillary claims experience and a steady hand with moderate balanced solutions to the myriad of problems facing the US Barack claims energy, vision for a new beginning, and the ability to reach out to others. McCain, a moderate conservative, claims a lock on straight talk, war hero status and willingness to seek a military victory in Iraq. He understands the perils we face worldwide.

There will be efforts by some foolish supporters of the three candidates to vilify the opponents of their candidate, using both truth and falsehoods.  The public will not be fooled.  The people will choose that candidate who they have the most faith in to lead the nation through the next four years, possibly eight, which may be the most perilous we have ever experienced.  If you receive scurrilous material in the mail about any of the candidates, toss it. Don't pass it on.

I'm for Hillary because I think she is the best, but I can comfortably live with the thought that Barack or John McCain might win. I am, after all, a liberal with sanity.

The most important tests for the candidate who wins will be those that follow the general election. Can we, in that overused but appropriate phrase, come together, and present a solid united front to the world, particularly the fanatics who hate us and would like to bring us to our knees?

Regrettably, there are many people in our extraordinary country, particularly young people, who do not appreciate how fortunate they are to live here.  Huge numbers of people living elsewhere than in the US would, if they could, come here to spend the balance of their days. Of course, there are gross inequities to be addressed and differences in opinions on how to address them, and that's what elections are all about. We can and should do that without tearing the country apart. The country is divided politically almost down the middle, but I believe the division is not a radical one, but rather, center left versus center right, and that moderation and respect for the rights of others is what most of us support. I certainly hope so.

No matter who wins, it appears to me that all three candidates believe that the issue of illegal immigration can only be solved by providing amnesty. They would not accept that description, preferring "a path to citizenship." I oppose that solution. I am for legal immigration and expanding it, but I am not for "open borders." No country in the world has open borders.

I believe we should double or triple the numbers of legal immigrants if that is what we need. I would even allow, if the country of origin wants to put them ahead of those now in line lawfully for them to be given a preference, but only after they have returned to their country. I would provide special consideration for parents of children born in the US. 

No one in his/her right mind suggests rounding up the illegal aliens in massive lockup efforts. What rational people suggest is that US employers knowingly hiring illegal aliens be subject to mandatory prison terms.  If there are no jobs, the illegals will go home on their own.  Indeed, we should pay their way. I believe my opinion on this matter represents the majority opinion in the country.

But it is not to be. Remember, however, my rule - Pick a dozen issues. If you agree with me on eight out of 12 (when I was a candidate for public office), you should vote for me. If you agree with me on 12 out of 12, see a psychiatrist.  Not accepting the theory of evolution is not a permissible exception under my rule. Am I being intolerant?

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1  |  Max (Miami, FL), Monday Feb 25, 2008
Governor, I don't think you are being intolerant at all. However, I think you are a being a little naive. Obama has decided to surround himself with foreign policy advisers that are virulently anti-Israel. So why the Jewish-American electorate may not agree with him on that issue, it is equally as comparable to your disagreement with Huckabee not accepting the theory of evolution.
2  |  Gerard J Mayer Katonah, NY, Tuesday Feb 26, 2008
I aggree with you 80% because I am afraid that that you might question my mental health. I share your opinion about the US elections, however.
3  |  N. Fox, Nashville, Tennessee, USA, Tuesday Feb 26, 2008
Barack Obama's courting pro-Sharia Law advocates of Kenya, such as Socialist Democrat Odinga (who ran against sitting president Kibaki) makes me leery that Obama's foundational years of Islamic instruction in Indonesia have influenced his worldview far more than he reveals in public. It will be interesting to see how Palestinians react when they realize that as a so-called Christian convert, Barack Obama is a Muslim apostate!
4  |  Shaul, Beit Shemesh, Tuesday Feb 26, 2008
Interesting article, and I like the concept of your 8/12 rule. But I am surprised by the vehemence and intolerance of your "pro-evolution" stand. You are willing to tolerate differences in opinion about any issue - except evolution. So much so that someone who ascribes to a literal interpretation of the Bible is, in your mind, a demented wacko who has no place in public debate - even if on all other issues they are paragons of virtue, pragmatism and effectivity. What is it that you fear so much about creationism? Are you ashamed of your Jewish tradition? Very disappointing, Mr Koch.
5  |  Joannis in Canada, Tuesday Feb 26, 2008
McCain is a good man, a type of Churchill.. He supports Israel because of heritage. I list him first, then Obama, then Hillary. Hillary seems disjointed. I think she was poorly advised. They comitted 'Rovean' tactics. Obama is'nt 'virulently anti-Israel' - he has said he shares his values with Israel. Only a few advisors of his are less Neocon or Likudian, but it is dubious to suggest he wouldn't protect Israel. He has taken the high road. An Obama - McCain race will be substantive. They are worthy opponents.
6  |  Raymond from DC, Tuesday Feb 26, 2008
Shaul in Beit Shemesh writes, "What is it that you fear so much about creationism? Are you ashamed of your Jewish tradition?" FYI, the "Jewish tradition" is not creationist, it is interpretive, though it counts some literalists among its adherents. You will find few Jews, even religious Jews, openly promoting the teaching of Creation in the US. Your own Rabbi may not approve, but you should read Rabbi Natan Slifkin's "The Challenge of Creation".
7  |  Jay - USA, Tuesday Feb 26, 2008
I don't see how any American (especially Jews) can support Obama. He has surrounded himself with Carter veterans (Carter has become quite ant-Israel) and pals around with the likes of Al Sharpton and Nation of Islam leader Louis Farakhan, both admitted racists and anti-Semites. Moreover, what does 'change' mean in his view? What would he change and to what? I haven't heard him say. Hell, if America went to a Soviet-style economy or to Naziism, wouldn't that represent 'change'?
8  |  Rob Barnett, Minneapolis USA, Tuesday Feb 26, 2008
It's hard to know where to begin in deconstructing Ed Koch's rather myopic views. For starters, shouldn't we support people who will uphold the US Constitution and take it seriously? Does Ed Koch want to seriously claim that any of his 3 candidates would actually do this? Then there's the issue of fostering a culture of traditional values, with traditional political and economic principles. This doesn't seem to even make it onto Mr. Koch's radar.
9  |  Paul P, Tuesday Feb 26, 2008
Dear mayor, I am glad that you are the same sharp and clear thinking this issue. I agree on 9 of 12. McCain I prefer, I wish Obama's first and middle name would be John or Robert not Barak Husein and refrain from naive foreign policy statements, behind H.Clinton facade I see fury, instability and a husband who will not stay out of trouble and shame her again and again, she should have divorced him some time ago and have better chances now. Till 120 ! Paul P, Kew Gardens NY,Feb26,08
10  |  Moshe Chaim, Tuesday Feb 26, 2008
Thank you, Mr. Mayor, for cutting through the spam and reminding us that in this election we have an embarrasment of riches. The three top candidates bring outstanding, if very different, resumes and ideas to the table and I would feel comfortable with any one of them as my President. Unfortunately, this campaign is already tainted by racists are trying to attack Obama's character with libels based on partial truths, sexists who can't bear the idea of a strong woman in the White House, and well-intentioned but naive peaceniks who are painting McCain as an unstable, aging war monger.
11  |  Morton Friedman Lanham, MD USA, Tuesday Feb 26, 2008
Even a cursory knowledge of jewish history should be adequate to make one leery of 'Messiahs'. As an election judge I wish that the USA would revert back to some of it's earlier voter qualifications, specifically basic literacy. One always should welcome 'change', but the attributes of change need to be defined, and debated openly, it should not be a mere 'buzzword'. This may well be the 'scariest' election ever.
12  |  Sam Slade, Tuesday Feb 26, 2008
"three widely different candidates"? Koch has got to be kidding. Hillary and Obama are both radical leftist and McCain is a moderate.
13  |  caryn/brookline ma, Tuesday Feb 26, 2008
Obama's ties to Farrakhan scare me.
14  |  Roman USA, Tuesday Feb 26, 2008
Considering an extremely perplexed situation in the world I am deeply in "not o'key" with Barak Obama and and Hillary Clinton.
15  |  Max, Wednesday Feb 27, 2008
Your Honor, I have sympathy for your comments. However, isn't it true that Senator McCain, although a Republican, is, for the most part, a Scoop Jackson Democrat like you and me. Moreover, although neither Hillary nor Barack will run on crazy leftest ideas in foreign policy, the truth is that when it comes to appointing their people, they will be choosing from Democrats, who, more and more in recent years, include large numbers of new leftist types who find in every problem an American origin? We won't have that problems with a President McCain. Don't you agree with that.
16  |  vladimir weissman, Wednesday Feb 27, 2008
Your Honor! I beg to disagree. Mr. Obama wants to meet the world's worst psychopaths. Mrs. Clinton's experience is still that of a president's wife. Mr. MacCain is different. A war hero, but also the only one that KNOWS what war is. Well aware of the dangers the world faces, and he is been there. He would not keep GIs in tough spots more than strictly necessary. He knows what they face. I hope he wins and then that he will not bow to pressure to push Israel to dangerous concessions just to please Saudis, Brits and who else needs pleasing. Take care, Sir!
17  |  greg dallas tx, Wednesday Feb 27, 2008
just some more of the jewish american socialist liberal dribble. It is a certainty that Hizzoner does not understand the consitutional framework envisioned by the founders, the most important feature of which was a small, tight , responsive federal government of very limited powers. Nothing like the 65 years of democratic remake that has resulted in the corrupt, bloated, debt ridden inefficient governemt we have today. Yet koch's solution is more of the same. Sheer insanity.
18  |  Debra, USA, Wednesday Feb 27, 2008
All new discoveries in Science go against the obsolete theory of evolution. Besides, Darwin himself in his book wrote that the theory was not valid if complex mechanisms were found within the micro processes of the organisms. This took place long time ago! Besides remember when around 8 years ago DNA proved that we humans come from an original couple of a man and a woman? And by the way, your are also wrong regarding Obama!
19  |  Bob, Virginia USA, Wednesday Feb 27, 2008
If Barack looked like Al Sharpton and retained everything else--his sentiments, intelligence, policy positions, etc., Hillary would be a lock for the Democratic nomination. Obama is good-looking, smooth and glib but not experienced--I fear he is Jimmy Carter in a better suit. John McCain is by far the best of the three. I fully support his candidacy because he would make the best Commander-in-Chief--no question, no contest.
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