Thursday Nov 12, 2009

Koch's Comments: As far as public opinion is concerned, Maj. Nidal Hasan is a terrorist

Posted by Ed Koch
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The US Army and President Barack Obama are understandably seeking desperately to prevent US public opinion from reaching any conclusion with respect to the motive of Major Nidal Malik Hasan, who killed 12 soldiers and one civilian, and wounded 28 soldiers and one civilian last week at Fort Hood in Texas. In the court of public opinion, subject to change based on hearings to be conducted on the subject by US Senator Joe Lieberman, Major Hasan has been found guilty of engaging in a terrorist act. Many factors have brought the public to that conclusion.

According to The Wall Street Journal of November 9:

Maj. Hasan, a US-born Muslim of Jordanian and Palestinian ancestry, was slated to deploy to Afghanistan in November. Some witnesses told investigators that he shouted 'Allahu Akbar,' Arabic for 'God is great,' before he opened fire on the unarmed soldiers waiting for medical treatment Thursday."

That is often the cry of Muslim suicide bombers.

Here are some excerpts from The New York Times of November 9:

"He bowed his head for several seconds, as if praying, stood up and drew a high-powered pistol. 'Allahu akbar,' he said - 'God is great.' And he opened fire. Within minutes he had killed 13 people."

"In recent years, he had grown more and more vocal about his opposition to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and tortured over reconciling his military duties with his religion."

"He complained bitterly to people at his mosque about the oppression of Muslims in the Army."

"Around 2004, Major Hasan started feeling disgruntled about the Army, relatives said. He described anti-Muslim harassment and sought legal advice, possibly from an Army lawyer, about getting a discharge."

"Federal authorities were looking into whether there was any interaction between Mr. Hasan and an American-born imam known for giving fiery speeches at a mosque in Northern Virginia that Mr. Hasan attended in 2001. Mr. Hasan attended the Dar Al-Hijrah Islamic Center in Falls Church, Virginia, when Anwar Al-Awlaki was the imam there, but it is not clear what influence Mr. Awlaki's rhetoric may have had on Mr. Hasan."

"During his time at Walter Reed and the uniformed Services University, Major Hasan also became increasingly vocal in his opposition to the wars. He knew much about the harsh realities of combat from having counseled returning soldiers, and he was deeply concerned about having to deploy. But over the past five years, he also began openly opposing the wars on religious grounds."

"A former classmate in the master's degree program said Major Hasan gave a PowerPoint presentation about a year ago in an environmental health seminar titled, 'Why the War on Terror Is a War on Islam.'"

"But he was still wrestling with the quandary of being a Muslim officer in an Army fighting other Muslims. He invited Osman Danquah, the co-founder of the mosque, to dinner at Ryan's restaurant and asked him how he should counsel young Muslim soldiers who might have objections to the war."

"The night before the shooting, he had dinner with Mr. Reasoner and said he felt that he should not go to Afghanistan. 'He felt he was supposed to quit,' Mr. Reasoner said. 'In the Koran, it says you are not supposed to have alliances with Jews or Christians, and if you are killed in the military fighting against Muslims, you will go to hell.'"

I believe the burden of proof has shifted to those in and out of government who believe the public should withhold its opinion on whether Hasan was a terrorist or simply deranged. I have concluded that he was a terrorist.

I also believe that the US Army should allow Muslims, who consider fighting other Muslims a violation of their religious beliefs, to opt out and be sent to other regions and combat zones. In Word War II, I believe Japanese American soldiers were sent to the European Theater of Operations. It is noteworthy that Muslims in Iraq, Afghanistan and Iran have no religious problem in killing each other. They do it every day, sadly in large numbers. Muslim women and children are also injured and killed by Muslim suicide bombers entering local markets before blowing up themselves to wreak the most havoc.

The eight-year war between Iraq and Iran left an estimated million casualties. Sunnis killed Shi'ites and Shi'ites killed Sunnis. They also killed one another on holy Muslim holidays like Ramadan while western countries like the US and Great Britain were importuned to delay their attacks out of respect for Ramadan.

The Times of November 10 pointed out:

The imam whom Major Hasan made contact with is an American citizen born in New Mexico to Yemeni parents. He wrote on Monday on his English-language Web site that Major Hasan was 'a hero.' The cleric said, 'He is a man of conscience who could not bear living the contradiction of being a Muslim and serving in an army that is fighting against his own people.'"

Finally, the article made the point that the radical imam lied with his comments on prior terrorist acts:

After the September 11 attacks, Mr. Awlaki was quoted as disapproving of such violence and was portrayed as a moderate figure who might provide a bridge between Islam and Western democracies. But since leaving the United States in 2002 for London and later Yemen, Mr. Awlaki has become, through his Web site, www.anwar-alawlaki.com, a prominent proponent of militant Islam."

He surely is not the only terrorist to lie so.

US public opinion is far too intelligent to jump to a conclusion, but it is also intelligent enough to understand when it is being conned by our own government.

It seems to me that political correctness has reached the point where the FBI and the US Army have allowed it to influence their investigations in life and death situations.

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1  |   Chris, Thursday Nov 12, 2009
Hello Mister Koch, i am a german person and i trust in God, and sometimes i speak the same : Allahu Akbar. Do you think that the Maschiach will be great ? Do you think he will be a great leader like Moses was. And do you think that the God of Israel is great ? Greater than Barack Obama ? How are the jewish people able to support Obama, when he makes jokes about the God of Israel. I don´t belong neither to a christ nor to a jewish faith community. But what keeps me alive, is my trust in King David and in God. And God is great in everyway. But the most people don´t love and fear God.
2  |   JC, Thursday Nov 12, 2009
Stop calling it a War on Terror. Call it for what it really is. War on Islam. We cannot win a war if we cannot ascertain our enemies.
3  |   David, Thursday Nov 12, 2009
Hi Ed. Well informed, well reasoned, well said by you. The NYTimes should respectfully publish your opinion piece.....instead of publishing every excuse for this blood thirsty terrorist. Thanks.
4  |   McQueen NYC, Thursday Nov 12, 2009
If Muslims in the military can opt out of serving in Muslim countries they can effectively opt out of all current combat situations. That is absurd.
5  |   John McGlocklin, Thursday Nov 12, 2009
100% correct, Mr. Koch. A rational and sane person could not disagree with any of this post.
6  |   Larry in FL, Thursday Nov 12, 2009
Is the guy a terrorist? That depends on whether he was looking to sow terror or just to kill infidels. I haven't read the Koran, but I wouldn't be suprised if it says kill infidels and sow terror, etc. What's less ambiguous is that the guy is a religious fanatic, namely an Islamist, a murderer, not someone that belonged in the US army given the views he expressed publicly to those in the army. If Bush was brave and called this a war on radical Islam, the mayor may not have even raised the somewhat silly deliniation. Instead we went from misnomer war on terror to overseas contingency operation.
7  |   TK - New York, Thursday Nov 12, 2009
the "Kochke" speaks well. i have yet to hear a muslim response about the willingness of mulims to kill their own. the answer we of course know is as the Torah says about Ismael prior to his birth "and he will be a beast of a man..."
8  |   Victor Galindo, Thursday Nov 12, 2009
You make many excellent comments. The best is that there are and have been millions of Muslims killing each other all over the world. And that includes women and children both killing and being killed. The argument by the terrorist Hassan that Muslims should not be killing Muslims so as to not fight in the wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan is therefore a racist lie.
9  |   Tod Zuckerman , San Francisco, Thursday Nov 12, 2009
Hey, Mayor Koch : Please communicate your views to the Obama Administration - they call this a "man made disaster "( like a forest fire). If you have a lefty, politically correct administration, this is going to influence the Army and FBI . Any second thoughts about your decision to endorse the Teleprompter King ?
10  |   Mark Jeffery Koch Cherry Hill, New Jersey USA, Thursday Nov 12, 2009
Moslem groups in America were silent after 911 and never condemned the terrorist attack, and when Daniel Pearl was kidnapped in Pakistan, forced to say "I am an American and I am a Jew" and was beheaded, they never uttered one word of condemnation. They are silent about suicide bombings in Israel, and when Moslems are committing atrocities every day against fellow Moslems in Iraq these same American Moslem groups remain silent about that as well. Perhaps the ticking time bomb of Major Hasan could have been defused if more Moslem groups stepped forward to condemn murders in the name of Islam.
11  |   muslim, Thursday Nov 12, 2009
it has nothing to do with political correctness...better to say that he is mad than to give him "officially " the title of "martyr"....a loser status is less "attractive".do not say that a suicide bomber is a terrorist...say only that he was gay and that his friend left him for a woman.Seriously when you know that the Americans have a military base in Qatar and that Al-Jazeera is resurrecting imbecile pan-Arabism and is the voice of the Muslim brotherhood...Is the US OPINION really intelligent?And i don't speak of Wahhabi control of US military and prisons...strange strange United States...
12  |   Jan, Australia, Thursday Nov 12, 2009
This underlines the failure of a multi-religion multi-culture. It just doesn't work when it comes to war. If Hasan didn't want to kill Muslims, he didn't need to kill others to make his point. The only point he made is that he thinks killing others to stop them killing Muslims is a valid action. That's declaring war! Not quite the same point as a conscientious objector makes who by non-action says "I value life". Only committed fundamentalist Christians will stand up and say "I will not take any life", even when they are in danger. Hasan's dictate of conscience from religion is about killing.
13  |   Raul Rojas Houston, TX, Friday Nov 13, 2009
Thank you for giving voice to what those cowed by the PC movement are afraid to say. Major Hasan is not only a terrorist, but a traitor as well. Maybe it is just a coincidence, but it seems that we have had many incidents of terror, and would be terror, plots this past few months. It is almost as though our resolve is being tested and, sadly, found lacking.
14  |   Eli, Kiryat Ono, Israel, Friday Nov 13, 2009
Mr. Koch's article exposes the tip of the iceberg as far as the norms within the Muslim world. In the past 60 years 11 million Muslims were killed by their own brothers. In the same week of the violent demonstrations against the Danish cartoons 300 Shiites were killed or wounded by their Sunni brothers in Karbala, Iraq during prayer. Of course, no Muslim demonstrations were held against that. Maj. Hassan's actions could have been prevented if it were not for political correctness. Extreme Islam is organized and very dangerous. The time has come to tell the truth and act accordingly.
15  |   CARES1996, Friday Nov 13, 2009
PEOPLE,MAKE NO MISTAKE FROM THE INFO PROVIDED (WHICH HASN`T BE REBUTTED)THIS WAS A SLIMY ACT OF TERRORISM WHICH MAY HAVE BEEN PREVENTED.I THINK THAT SOMEONE SHOULD NOT BE AFFORDED TO MISDIRECT THE PUBLIC,THERE WAS A WISE MAN WHO IN ALL EARNST WORKED WITH OTHER DEDICATED PATRIOTS TO SET UP A MECHANISM TO PREVENT THIS EXACT KIND OF FINGER POINTING.WHEN THIS NEW DEPT. WAS CREATED MY ONLY CONCERN WAS WHAT FUTURE ADMIN`S REDIRECTION OR MISDIRECTION OR OUTRIGHT ABUSE OF THE DEPT. MAY LEAD TO,WELL WERE NOW GOING TO FIND OUT.I THANK THE SERVICE PERSONNELL IN THIS DEPT. ITS THE ORDERS THEY MUST FOLLOW.
16  |   Stan Goodman - Israel, Friday Nov 13, 2009
It is true, as Islamists lament, that the war on terror is a war on Islam. The reason for this is simple: There is virtually no terrorist activity on the planet that is not perpetrated by Islamists (not Muslims in general, I emphasize). All Islamists/jihadis need to do to terminate this war is to stop blowing up tall buildings and schoolbusses, shooting up pizza parlors, synagogues and festive dinners, and raining rockets and mortar bombs on civilian villages for eight years at a time. Whining about being inconvenienced because of this war won't help.
17  |   Laine Frajberg Montreal, Saturday Nov 14, 2009
Major Hasan obviously commited an act of terrorism-no matter how you slice it or dice it.The question is was he a lone killer or was he an operative of some terrorist outfit-like Al-Quaida or Hezbollah?And that is what the FBI is investigating now.
18  |   Cember - 1, Saturday Nov 14, 2009
I don't believe that Hasan is primarily a terrorist. He is something with a much longer history; a traitor. The US Constitution defines treason in Article 3:3. "Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort." Hasan fulfilled all 3 parts. The means he used may be terrorism, but he acted in the tradition of the simple traitor, and deserves the utter disgrace that accompanies the term. I believe that the death penalty should not be imposed. Better the cripple get life in solitary confinement.
19  |   Enlightened Soul, Canada, Saturday Nov 14, 2009
Peace be with you. That is what a Muslim says to his fellow man. These "terrorists" should not be called Muslims, they do not represent the true Islam. They are thugs using religion as a weapon. Islam teaches tolerance, peace, and love for all hatred for none. It breaks my heart to hear people claiming to be Muslim and then attacking innocent people all over the world. We must show love to each other and our love for humanity will unite all good people and expose the enemies of truth. We are all part of a brotherhood that is greater than religion - humanity.
20  |   Chris USA, Saturday Nov 14, 2009
U.S. Code Title 22, Ch.38, Para. 2656f(d) states "...(2) the term 'terrorism' means premeditated, politically motivated violence perpetrated against noncombatant targets by subnational groups or clandestine agents;..." this is the legal definition of terrorism. The burden of proof rests on the government to prove that a subnational group was involved or that Hasan was a clandestine agent inorder to classify this crime as terrorism. Without this evidence claiming terrorism becomes little more than scapegoating and does not advance the cause of justice.
21  |   arthur Jersey City NJ USA, Saturday Nov 14, 2009
It is clear that this was a religiously motivated mass murder. It certainly qualifies as a hate crime, allah akhbar It is a shame and a crime that the politically correct refuse to open their eyes. If this was a murder of a minority person by someone shouting an unacceptable epitath it would be so reported
22  |   Morton Friedman Lanham, MD, Saturday Nov 14, 2009
To #20, Enlightened Soul. Seeking to understand Islam, as a religion of peace, I purchased and read the Koran and several histories. Nowhere could I find any respect for non-believers, much the opposite. It is a history born in violence, a violence that continues and even extends to internecine violence. Only a few minor sects seem to have renounced violence, and demonstrate a willingness to live with others peacefully. Perhaps I have read the wrong books. Perhaps you can provide appropriate references to ‘enlighten’ me.
23  |   M.M. U.K., Sunday Nov 15, 2009
#15 I think it's time to make the simple math question a little more difficult. But just a little.
24  |   A.B, Sunday Nov 15, 2009
Interesting comments. Hasan was in a crisis with his Faith. As a muslim , he was taking orders to kill other muslims in Iraq and Aghanistan and he had to counsel other servicemen of his own faith on this very issue. Now my question to the army,FBI,and the White House. How many more disgruntled muslims are there in the Armed Services who are a potential threat to their military colleagues of different religious faiths? This is a critical time in American History and the American public needs to know the truth. Please don`t play politics here with American lives ! !
25  |   SAW, TX, Sunday Nov 15, 2009
No question it was an act of terror. He quite deliberately chose victims who were about to be deployed to fight muslims. He could have gone to a mess hall at meal time or to an officers club to perform his murders. He did not. His victims were going to shoot muslims. No one was goiing to put a gu in his hands and force him to shoot anyone. He is an MD and would have been protected by location and by soldiers. He would have been far too valuable to have had to fight.
26  |   Dr.Isaac Doron, Sunday Nov 15, 2009
Nidal Hassan is definitely a fanatic terrorist and should be executed as he killed 13 innocent men. The FBI has not followed up his e-mails to the extreme immam.
27  |   B. U.S.A., Sunday Nov 15, 2009
I forgive Hasan for being a terrorist and a traitor. I forgive Obama for bowing to an Arab leader and trying to cover for Hasan. I forgive them in Christ Jesus. God Bless Obama, I love him in Christ Jesus. God Bless the Islamics, I love them all in Christ Jesus. Love, Love, Love, Love.
28  |   RJ KENNEDY CANADA, Sunday Nov 15, 2009
To most thinking individuals it is quite obvious. You take up a weapon, in this case weapons, too shoot someone, you do so intentionally. He wasn't just trying to injure, but to kill. Is this a function of someone wishing to send a minor message?? NOOOOOO. He acheived his aim. He sent the message he wanted. If his wish was to be moderate, he would have spoken of his desire not to be a part of killing, of anyone. Don't be fooled with official speak, this man did what many of his ilk would like to do, kill those whom do not follow their beliefs. But don't take my word, ask him. He's Honest. Yes?
29  |   Jeff, South Africa, Sunday Nov 15, 2009
Quote: Major Hasan gave a PowerPoint presentation about a year ago in an environmental health seminar titled, 'Why the War on Terror Is a War on Islam.'" He is ABOSUTELY CORRECT - the war on terror IS a war on Islam, because Islam IS, amost exclusively, the terror. Not all of Islam, of course - at this stage it's a tiny (but alas growing) minority.
30  |   Alan-USA, Sunday Nov 15, 2009
No Kidding Mr. Koch. But you'll never hear your "Coward-in-Chief" No-Bomb-A say so, because it would be an admission of another failure of his Inept, Naive, Inexperienced, Morally Bankrupt, Weak dis-administration. Meanwhile our troops are waiting and dying in Afghanistan for a decision from Hussein for HELP! More golf, Oprah or Letterman before that decision's made?
31  |   M.M. U.K, Sunday Nov 15, 2009
Just to avoid confusion; the #15 to which I referred in my previous comment has been removed.
32  |   nuchem, Sunday Nov 15, 2009
Why talk about Hasan when architect boastful and self-admitted terrorist of 9/11 K. Mohammed instead of being executed by war commission last year is yesterday ordered to be tried only in civilian N.Y. court as a common criminal instead. And 3 guesses who gave the order to the A-G. Imagine will you that Peal Harbour bombers back then instead of being tried on battlefield were tried in local N.Y. court as common criminals instead. Now what were you saying about Hasan?
33  |   Enlightened Soul, Canada, Monday Nov 16, 2009
To #22 Morton, the Quran cannot be compared to other religious texts such as the Torah or Bible because it is not a "linear" text with chronological order or even a "logical" beginning. It is rhythmic prose, epic poem and symphony all rolled into one sublime text. Western readers often see, study and think about Islam through a lens, which has been formed from historical conflicts and present day tensions. Due to its unique structure, it is important to read the Quran as whole, rather than bits and pieces so that its teachings are not taken out of their textual contexts. Peace be with you.
34  |   Enlightened Soul, Canada, Monday Nov 16, 2009
To add to my previous post #33 - the ones who claim Holy War against the West and its allies are being falsely misled, they are leaving the fold of Islam by waging war. The true Jihad is the fight against ones evil desires, we all wage this Jihad everyday within ourselves regardless of religion. If we all follow the true teachings of our respective faiths there will be no more senseless bloodshed. IMO both sides are wrong and we the people are caught in the middle. To the Muslims: Stop listening to the foolish Mullah, you will be lead to the fire. To the rest: Love thy neighbour
35  |   Ron California, Monday Nov 16, 2009
The obvious points are missed, one only need understand what a man believes, thus he becomes. If the Bible teaches love, respect, and promotes kind deeds, the person believing it will desire to act on these things. If a belief system describes a world where murder is the only way to "guarantee" ones salvation, thus, one becomes a murderer. Like most people, commitment to a belief system is minimal to say the least, however, one needs to state the obvious, the Koran teaches "murder" as the only way to subdue it's perceived enemies.
36  |   jack canada, Monday Nov 16, 2009
"In recent years, he had grown more and more vocal about his opposition to the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan and tortured over reconciling his military duties with his religion." TERRORIST? That makes him a DEMOCRAT. (Who finally snapped from "compassion fatigue")(see Krauthammer's column, ibid)
37  |   Dave, Monday Nov 16, 2009
Ed, you are correct about almost everything you wrote, with the exception of the statement that Americans are too smart to be conned. Stop running for office. Americans aren't smart or even well informed. The US should not be waging a war on "terror" but upon extremists that support the destruction of western democratic values. America lashed out at the Muslim world, without navigation or direction, and the result is Jihad and anger. This guy was a Jihadist, and a terrorist, but we haven't yet begun to understand how to fight people like him or his cause. America is too (scarily) stupid.
38  |   Dave, USA, Monday Nov 16, 2009
Yeah, he's a terrorist. They are already selling posters of him in Lebanon. I say execute him with no pomp and circumstance, deny he is a terrorist, and put out a story that he was upset because his sex-change operation didn't have the outcome he was hoping for. Don't give him any glory.
39  |   Eric L, Monday Nov 16, 2009
The West has more respect for Islam than Muslims World...What could be more ironic (or pathetic) for that matter? For the honor of Islam, and more importantly for World Peace, lets hope the Muslim world will reject the culture of death and embrace life. It is simply the curse of political correctness prevents the media and the world from being honest and demand Islam grow up.
40  |   Czarkazem13, Tuesday Nov 17, 2009
Well what's a terrorist attack? If it is just a man killing (use of terror) then I agree with you as long as you agree the shooting at Virginia and the shootings at Colombine were also terrorist attacks. Because if he thinks that a Muslim yelling out "Allah akbar" means that it was a terrorist attack only shows that Mr. Koch knows little about Islam and yet that doesn't stop him from writing on it (and using the strawman arguement of "political correctness"). But I guess when most New Yorkers view him negitavely, he needs something to grab onto. Apologize for misspellings, was rushing.
41  |   DAVE U.S., Tuesday Nov 17, 2009
i agree with mr. koch, maj. nadal hasan, is a terrorist. and i also, feel like our president ordering the postal service to nationalize a 42cent stamp, to commemorate a muslim holiday is a slap in the face of every american in the world and the u.s., after every terrorist act commited by muslim extremists in the last 12-14 yrs. he is opening the door for more terrorist acts, and he is just making it easier for them to do it. i know this doesn't mean all muslims arn't bad, but it's time to deal with terrorists with a firm hand. please all americans don't feel the same as obama
42  |   Israel, Tuesday Nov 17, 2009
Simply put,Hasan was/is not only a traitor to the country that gave him sanctuary,but also a terrorist. If he was supposed to feel anger against the war in Afghanistan then what the blazes was he doing in the miilitary?Conversely we hear he wanted to marry a religious woman? In that case he had the option to relocate to an Arab/Muslim country rather than live in a democratic freedom loving one(USA) If angered to kill one would have been bad enough,but 13 soldiers supposedly brothers in arms?What of the 30 innocent civilians. YES he is a terorist. Good article Mr.Koch thank you
43  |   RussRamey6 Lima USA, Tuesday Nov 17, 2009
I beleive the Koran was written as inspired and revealed in plain language just as the Bible and the Torah...It takes no special literary gift to undestand Dar Islam verses the Decalog and "love your neighbor as yourself". The Books of Isaiah, Ezekiel, Daniel, and Revelations would be a good start as well...our debate is who or what inspired and revealed these writings? The result has been conflict, chaos, and death throughout the ages. The more we kill each other over these writings the more we lose the rest of the world...more's the pity. But time and then judegment will tell...
44  |   Scott Benlevi occupied Native America, Tuesday Nov 17, 2009
Its very simple. Islamites have no place in the US military nor any of its branches. American soldiers are mean when it comes non-christians in their military and they despise the moslem more than they blame Jews for murdering their ficticious Jesus. Its really time for the world to separate their populations. The US, Canada and Europe need to end their generous immigration packages to a group of people who will turn on them and kill them, history will out. Its already happening in France. History also teaches us that it was arab moslems in West Africa who did all the slave trading.
45  |   jack canada, Tuesday Nov 17, 2009
#40 Czarkazem, you guessed it. Columnbine and Virginia Tech were also terrorist attacks. The only difference is that the people they were trying to get sympathy for was themselves, not some ragtag collection of Muslim terrorist nations that have no inclination to build something useful, only to destroy beautiful things that are more successful than they are. The fact that they get sympathy from the bleeding hearts only generates more of them, of both types. And those that deflect criticism of these terrorists, such as yourself, who can't spell, well, there's no excuse for you.
46  |   Chris USA, Tuesday Nov 17, 2009
22 | Morton Friedman Lanham, MD, Saturday Nov 14, 2009: If you read the Night Journey you will see a different perspective. The Koran embodies a little bit of everything to allow flexibility in its interpretation as a political religious doctrine. It can be interpreted as both peaceful and violent depending upon who interprets it and their motivation. In general those imams who oppose suicide martyrs usually end up as targets by the more militant imams which tends to focus the more political aspects toward violent means via attrition. Such measures discourage authentic openness.
47  |   Chris USA, Tuesday Nov 17, 2009
44 | Scott Benlevi occupied Native America, Tuesday Nov 17, 2009: You certainly demonstrate why the American occupation succeeded. Perhaps Israel could learn a lesson in you.
48  |   Enlightened Soul, Canada, Friday Nov 20, 2009
#46 Thank you Chris for not being narrow minded as the majority of the people posting here. I find it really funny that Muslims are being called terrorists while the Americans are being placed on a pedestal. Both the Americans that support war and those Muslims that are blowing themselves up and killing civilians are terrorists. Let me ask you who funded the Taliban? Who brought Saddam into power? Who are the ones using depleted uranium shells that destroy the environment for decades? The pot should not call the kettle black. America is not a democracy, you have been brainwashed to think it is
49  |   Enlightened Soul, Canada, Friday Nov 20, 2009
To Israel #42. What of the innocent civilians that have been killed because your government won't allow supplies to reach the people that need them the most. What of the UN schools, and hospitals destroyed in the siege? Goldstone, a Zionist himself declared Israel committed war crimes during the siege, what do make of make of that? Your nation is no different than Nazi Germany. We are all brothers, we all believe in one God. Wake up before its too late because when the Almighty calls upon you to answer for what you have done, no one will save you, then you will be in fire along with the jihadi
50  |   Sam D, Friday Nov 20, 2009
Un enlightened soul from Canada...do you think the Almighty will call on the USA and Britian and Germany and Japan for all the civilians they killed during WW2. are u "enlightend" enough to know millions of schools were bombed, and children, women that were killed in ww2? Its called war Mr Soul! Hamas in Gaza started it...I for one think Israel stopped to quick. No army in the world tries to prevent killing innocents. Ask the Berlins, the Dresdens, the Tokyo people, and oh yes what was that town called...oh yes Hiroshima! Enlightend soul my butt! Here's news for u, Jihadis hate you too
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