Thursday Nov 19, 2009

Koch's Comments: Mr. President, bring the troops home

Posted by Ed Koch
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If General Stanley McChrystal's request of President Obama for 40,000 additional troops for Afghanistan is to be met, the cost would be $40 billion to $54 b. a year, according to an internal government estimate published by The New York Times on November 15. The General originally requested 80,000 additional troops. 

The Times reports, "The rough formula used by the White House, of about $1 million per soldier a year, appears almost constant." The same article quotes Congressman John Murtha (D-PA), chairman of a subcommittee on defense appropriations, as saying that "total spending on the Iraq and Afghanistan wars would surge past $1 trillion next year, which could hamper the economy for years to come." 

It is almost a foregone conclusion that the president will not authorize the 40,000 soldiers requested, but in all probability, he will authorize a smaller number. Any increase, as opposed to embarking upon an immediate exit strategy, would be a grave error.

As of October 15, a plurality of Americans oppose the Afghanistan war, and for good reason. In Afghanistan, we are propping up a corrupt administration where everything is for sale, and the government is mired in the drug trade.

Furthermore, the Karzai government is incompetent. Despite years of training by US forces, the Karzai regime's army has no control over the country. The Taliban currently controls much of Afghanistan, with President Karzai's authority existing primarily in the capital of Kabul. Apparently the Karzai government, with the support of the US, is seeking to negotiate with the so-called "moderate" Taliban supporters and possibly bring them into the government.

President Obama has rightly decided to take his time to explore all options. This is the moment he should take to examine the option of withdrawing from Afghanistan simultaneously with our scheduled withdrawal from Iraq. It was John McCain who during the presidential campaign suggested that we could be in Iraq for another 50 years or more, an unwise statement to which candidate Obama strongly objected. It was the Iraqi government which compelled the US to agree to withdraw no later than December 31, 2011, and possibly before that date. It is the US Army that is giving consideration to beginning the withdrawal from Iraq in January of next year. Why not apply that same schedule to Afghanistan?

Some would say that the Taliban will be back in Kabul were we to withdraw by the beginning of next year.  They probably will, even though the Karzai army is almost 200,000 strong, and the Taliban's numbers are far fewer. The difference is that members of the Taliban are motivated by religion, and the soldiers of the Afghan government are not motivated to defend their civil central government. The Afghan army and Afghan police are universally perceived as grossly corrupt. Should our young men die or suffer serious injuries to protect a society unwilling and unable to defend itself? 

If our army were comprised of draftees instead of volunteers, we would have already seen massive marches in the streets calling on the president to bring our soldiers home, as was the case in the late 60s and 70s. I believe that while our country on the domestic front in the congressional election next year will concentrate on the need for jobs, the public will also be marching to end the war and bring our troops home.

Bringing the troops home does not mean the terrorists have won. The focus of our efforts should be the tribal areas of Pakistan where the Taliban and Al-Qaeda are entrenched and allegedly receive aid and comfort from parts of the Pakistan army and its intelligence services. The terrorists undoubtedly hope ultimately to cause the government of Pakistan to fall. We now use drones and special forces to pursue the Taliban and Al-Qaeda in Pakistan. We can continue to pursue those terrorists in both Pakistan and Afghanistan from offshore ships and missile launchers. 

I believe that next year's election will be decided on what each party proposes to do in Afghanistan. If we Democrats expect to win, we will have to convince the public that we intend to bring our troops home. If President Obama wants to pursue his expensive and expansive domestic programs, he will need to enhance his majorities or at least minimize the normal biennial congressional losses. I urge him to signal his intention to bring our troops home soon. There isn't much time left to demonstrate leadership and not appear to be dragged along. The marches will soon begin.

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1  |   David Katcoff, Jericho Vt, Thursday Nov 19, 2009
I would also add that in addition to corruption, the Afghan government has Sharia elements. For example, a young man who tranlated the Koran into the local vernacular was slated to be executed for blasphemy, and marital rape is legal. Also, if we oppose Islamic Jihad, why not invade Lebanon or Somalia to fight Hizbullah or Al Shabab. It's a huge international problem linked to Islam which Afghanistan will not fix.
2  |   new_york_loner, Thursday Nov 19, 2009
We agree on this one, Mayor Koch; if this were a conscripted army, as in Vietnam, thousands of marchers would be filling the streets. With an all-volunteer force (all-mercenary force?), budgetary shell games and embedded journalists, the War Lobby has hit upon a formula for eternal war. No, I don't expect large-scale anti-war protests in the US anytime soon. As long as the panem et circum continues, the masses will remain docile and acquiescent. The only way to stop the madness is to run the nation into absolute bankruptcy....perhaps that is Obama's secret peace plan. Shalom!
3  |   Allen M usa, Thursday Nov 19, 2009
Mayor Koch is right. GET OUT OF that Hellhouse called Afghanistan.Our soldiers are set up in shooting galleries with those IED's exploding and causing the majority of our losses.A faceless enemy planting roadside bombs.The war we fought against terror is all wrong! The enemy looks like everyone there in the streets. A terrorist by day, a family man by nightfall. We can make the Taliban and Alqueda miserable without troops. Koch says use Navy, Airforce, Drones, special forces! Do not get invloved with Wahabbi Islam on their soil. And get off of Arab oil! Put em out of business..$$$=terror!
4  |   Steve US, Thursday Nov 19, 2009
While I will concede, given the governments in place in Afghanistan and Iraq, short of American troops both states could once again become terror states. Mayor Koch acknowledges the Taliban will likely be back in Kabul notwithstanding offshore US ships and missile launchers. But shouldn't the objective be to keep America safe from attacks by state sponsors of terrorism rather than nation building? Yet Mr. Koch's president seems bent on coddling, negotiating with and appeasing state sponsors of terrorism. How then does the mayor propose keeping our shores safe from further jihad attacks?
5  |   Norm Davis, Ca, Thursday Nov 19, 2009
I have just read a book on the Soviet Union's invasion of Afganistan, the Great Gamble. Our presence there is just like the USSR's. We are occupiers. We insult their religion and customs--like trying to educate girls. Our motives are pure--but they are our's, not theirs. We should pull out of Afganistan--but we should leave most of our equipment--to the Pakistan army. That will make it less likely that the equipment will be sold by the Afgan Army to the "insurgents." Hopefully, the Pakistan Army will destroy Ben Laden's army--not a great chance but the best we have.
6  |   bannister ,USA, Friday Nov 20, 2009
The Great war plan. Bin Laden destroyed one empire on the killing floor of afghanistan, He planned to do the same to us and we walked right into the slaughterhouse. Koch offers no solution to the root causes though. Solve the Israel Palestine conflict and many other conflicts will be solved.
7  |   Allen F USA, Friday Nov 20, 2009
Don't think the Russkies have forgiven US-A for helping Osamma and the Taliban back when Russia invded Afghanistan..big mistake ..we shoudl have let Russia have that crap house. But Russia has a loing memory..we USA helped the Afghani's beat Russia who ran with their tails in their mouth! Get Out of AFghani land...Theyre crazy. Anyone for poppy seeds?
8  |   Salman, Friday Nov 20, 2009
As someone who knows the Pakistani military from inside out, I protest at the author's assertion that Pakistani military and intelligence is aiding Taliban or Al-Qaeda. Pakistan's military and its intelligence wing, the ISI, are run by professional army officers. Recruits are properly vetted. The Military Intelligence keeps tabs on military servicemen. There is no chance of some wayward serviceman disobeying orders and aiding the enemy: Taliban/Al-Qaeda. Even if this somehow happens, it would be coincidental - not sytemic. How can the Pakistani army be aiding people it is fighting against?
9  |   Salman, Friday Nov 20, 2009
continued........troops in Pak Army and ISI are very loyal to Pakistan, trained to obey the army high command and have a high degree of camraderie. No one in the army's ranks can even think of betraying fellow troops and officers, and somehow aid the Taliban/Al-Qaeda. Pakistan has lost more troops fighting against the Taliban than any other country in the world, and we have killed more Taliban/Al-Qaeda than anyone else too. Therefore, it is shameful for you to suggest that Pakistan military and intelligence is aiding the terrorists.
10  |   Alan-USA, Friday Nov 20, 2009
Mr. Koch, We tried the leave them alone policy. What we got was the USS Cole Bombing, the Embassy Bombing in Kenya, The 1ST and 2ND World Trade Center Bombings, Pentagon, etc. Not that the Afghanistan policy in enviable, but it is the lesser of two evils, unless you wish to Fight it Out on the streets of your beloved NY City, Washington, or another city of the Enemies Choosing. What is needed is a Winable Strategy and a Commander-In-Chief willing to make the necessary MILITARY,(not politcal) Decisions to Win. Not a "Pretending Coward-in Chief" only willing to wage War using a TELEPROMPTER.
11  |   Jerry G usa, Friday Nov 20, 2009
Salman..I hope the Paki Army is fighting the Taliban/Al queada elements flooding Paki land. In fact the Taliban are more dangerous to Pakistan than the USA by far. In fact I call it (not a war between Islam and the West) its more a war between "moderate Islam" and Wahabbi Islam. Muslims have to make up their mind, do they want terror or peace! More terrorist Muslims are murdering fellow Muslims than anybody. USA should get out of that mess..just go after Osamma and company. But by all means help Pakistan in their fight of their lives. $$ will help.and give them a "drone" or two.
12  |   Josh San Diego, Friday Nov 20, 2009
Salman, the ISI had advance knowledge of Daniel Pearls impending execution, and your telling me the ISI isnt corrupt, wake up fella
13  |   Leo - Fort Wayne, Indiana, Saturday Nov 21, 2009
Usually a person's main point is the one they mention first. So Ed Koch seems to be focusing on the monetary cost of our on-going weakening of radical Islamic factions/organizations as much if not more than any other factor right now. The attack on 9-11 cost our enemy roughly 600,000 dollars. They cost our economy through lost lives, lost business and other factors over 1 trillion dollars. We're in an expensive war whether we want to be or not. At least now we have armed Americans fighting our enemies in their back yard. Not our enemies dictating who gets slaughtered here. Try again Ed
14  |   eli meisler usa, Saturday Nov 21, 2009
Bring them home
15  |   Chris USA, Saturday Nov 21, 2009
Your appreciation of the costs supports the Carl levin Afghan surge initative. Another $1 trillion US dollars may just break the camels back. See [ Link to page ] for a story about tungsten salted gold bars and realize what has been happening first with China and the British central bank and then with India and the IMF. This is gold used to pay derivative debt which has leaked into the market. What does this say about the US gold reserves? Why are central banks aroung the world investing in gold mutaul funds at an unprecedented rate?
16  |   YoAv -- USA, Saturday Nov 21, 2009
You can NOT win a war you're not set on winning. Bush moved-on to Iraq without winning Afghanistan. Obama is a limp-wristed Commander-in-Chief, who's moral back-bone is 'cut & run.' America HAS fallen & he wants others to pick us up; he's a true 'East Germany' socialist. The USA has to get the CIA out of the drug business before it can end corruption in Afghanistan. A corrupt Govn't is all the foothold the Taliban or ben Laden needs to win 'the people,' and the people are the Country. Islam is growing in the West, because of limp-wristed moral decay, lead by the Church. BH
17  |   Clayton - Southeast PA, Saturday Nov 21, 2009
Easy to say - bring the troops home. What happens to the Afghans left behind? There will be a terrible backlash against Afghanis who supported NATO, especially those who voted in their first elections in history. Say goodbye to your purple thumb. There will be bloodbath for those who stay, and the refugee camps for those who flee will be the perfect breeding ground for future terrorists who will never forget how they were abandoned (once again) by the West. Terrible idea.
18  |   Claudia, Tampa, FL USA, Saturday Nov 21, 2009
#2 you more accurately should be signing your pathetic slander "new_york_LOSER_" for you obviously have no respect for anyone and are yourself a delusional psudo-intellectual after whom patriots and other good people, civilian and military, must clean up. Your freedom to speak your liberal clap trap is not free, but has been paid for by those honorable military patriots you so distain. People like you are cowardly and small and loathesome. As for Koch? I'd love all our people to come home, especially when our government will not acknowledge this is a war with Islam, & nothing less.
19  |   deepak, Saturday Nov 21, 2009
salmon---nice disinformation try- the pakis just moved mullah omar to karachi to avoid the predator. boots on the ground, democracy, and "nation-building" are not possible in afganistan. there was nothing there but mudbricks and opium and tribal mafia. there is no difference between the taliban and "civilians", and there are no "civilian" casualties. same as in gaza,but worse. the poppies could have been eradicated years ago with herbacide. raise the temperature to turn the sand into glass and you will solve the problem.
20  |   William Patrick Springs, VA, Saturday Nov 21, 2009
As if Al Qaeda never used the Taliban and Afghanistan for a base of support. Better to have Al Qaeda and the Taliban caught between the hammers of US and Afghan troops in Afghanistan and the Pakistani army. The billions being used for the liberal socialist agenda would better be used for a Constitutionally sanctioned and mandated function like National Security working the chronic disease of terrorism or any other threat.
21  |   Chuck USA, Sunday Nov 22, 2009
Claudia and Clayton, your comments are right on target regarding #2's cowardice and a bloodbath occurring after a pullout. History is replete with examples of this,such as: Vietnam and Cambodia. If I remember my history correctly, Afghanistan was an artificially created nation. But I digress, This is but one small part of a WAR which we in the West cannot lose,else the rest of the world goes dark! Mr. Koch really shows his true colors,by stating:"If we Democrats are to win the 2010 elections..... Simply Party politics on his part! This GLOBAL war on terror(Islam) is one we must not lose!
22  |   Bloodyscot Dallas, Texas, Sunday Nov 22, 2009
The society is to poor with corruption, raising poppies or smuggling the only way they see to get ahead. The US should have found the strongest pro West warlord to make king until its economy was strong enough to support democratic and only have 5000 to 10,000 troops to go after terrorist. The US waited to long to really start building their army up now it may be too late.
23  |   DUPREE NY, Tuesday Nov 24, 2009
our military might helps keep many in the region in power. [remember kuwait]we could arrange that thru oil revenues from iraq , kuwait. saudi arabi and elsewhere they would finance the cost of our need to maintain a military presence in the region. i don't see how we can leave as we have vital economic interests that would be threatened. maybe iran and the sunni powers including al-kydah will neutralize each other but that seems to me much too risky
24  |   Real Patriot, Saturday Nov 28, 2009
Here's the thing, the U.S. is the one that funded the Taliban when they were fighting the Soviets. They are still cahoots with each other and our son's are dying there for no reason other than to feed the war machine. The real beneficiaries of the so called war on terror are the heads of arms corps and security firms. It makes economic sense to go blow up another nation and then sent your own national firms to "rebuild" the infrastructure that our patriots destroy. But you know what we only create more enemies that way. Best to leave everyone alone and focus on internal issues such as the poor
25  |   Fred, Houston, Texas, Sunday Nov 29, 2009
I still can't figure out why we don't pay off the rural people big-time to grow something else other than opium poppies.
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