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Tuesday Dec 01, 2009
Koch's Comments: Keeping Israel safe through deterrence Posted by Ed Koch
Comments: 16
Supporters of Israel, Jew and non-Jew alike, are angry that President Obama changed the longstanding US policy on the legitimacy of Jewish settlements on the West Bank. That policy under Democrat and Republican presidents before him was that those settlements, while "impediments to peace," were legal. The State Department under Secretary of State Hillary Clinton now refers to such settlements as illegal. Why is it reasonable for Arabs to live in the State of Israel and not acceptable for Jews to live on the West Bank? I believe in the two-state solution, and when that takes place, the Jews living in the area comprising the new Palestinian state will have to decide whether to relocate back to Israel or continue to live in their towns as citizens of the new Palestinian state or as resident aliens. Israel has been savaged at the United Nations year after year by the Arab countries and those that support them, because of the power of oil and fear of Islamic terror. Few nations have been willing to vote "no" on Arab resolutions denouncing Israel. The best many nations, who realize how unfair and hypocritical those resolutions are, will do is abstain from voting. Had Israel succumbed to fear and desisted from protecting itself by erecting a security barrier that keeps terrorists at bay and by militarily striking those who allow terrorists to use their territory as bases for their terrorist activity against Israel, the State of Israel would have been overwhelmed long ago. The New York Times, in an article by Ethan Bronner on November 26, 2009, noted the positive effect of Israel's willingness to defend itself when many other nations deserted it. Bronner wrote:
What if Israel in 1981 had not destroyed Saddam Hussein's nuclear facility and the Allied nations invading Iraq in 2003 had been met with nuclear bombs? What would our casualties have been then? What if two years ago Israel had not destroyed, as the Times reported, "what Israel and the United States say was a budding Syrian nuclear reactor?" Who would be in danger now? Much of the world has been cowed by Islamic terrorism and is fearful of the suicide bombers who have struck in other countries, e.g., Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Indonesia, India, Britain and Russia. These terrorists seek to bring those countries to their knees. Israel knows that in order to survive, it must be willing to fight for its very life and freedom every single day. Its young men and women, while cherishing life and not wanting to die, are nevertheless willing to do so in defense of their country. For Israelis, there is no other choice. *** Remember Carlos the Jackal of Venezuela, whose real name is Ilich Ramirez Sanchez? According to the Times of November 21, 2009, President Hugo Chavez is "heaping praise" on him, describing him as a "revolutionary fighter." Carlos the Jackal was convicted of "the murders of two French police agents and a Lebanese informer in Paris' Latin Quarter in 1975," and is now serving his sentence in a French prison. Said Chavez before an "applauding gathering of leftist political parties from around the world... 'I defend him. I don't care what they say tomorrow in Europe.'" The Times reported that "Vea, a pro-Chavez newspaper accused of fostering anti-Semitism, closely follows Mr. Ramirez's life in prison and calls him a revolutionary compatriot demonized in international Judaism's media campaigns." Why do I raise this now? Because there are Americans, like Sean Penn, Kevin Spacey and Danny Glover, who politically embrace Hugo Chavez. Then there is former Congressman Joseph P. Kennedy II, who until recently acted as a propaganda arm for Chavez by distributing Venezuelan home heating oil to the poor and publicly crediting Chavez for his largess. Incidentally, in 2007, Kennedy drew an annual salary of $545,000 for running the operation. The Venezuelan company Citgo recently suspended the free heating oil program in the US. The program had begun in 2005 and covered 23 states and 200,000 people. Last year, Citgo provided $100 million in heating oil. According to the Associated Press, Kennedy, as a result of the suspension, "was seeking a face-to-face meeting with Chavez." The AP added that "Kennedy also called out US oil companies for not taking part in his efforts to provide heating assistance to low income households." Shouldn't domestic oil companies making billions be delighted to take the place of Venezuela in providing charity to US citizens in need? Shouldn't the US government be providing greater assistance to those low income families? Keeping warm should be more than a goal.
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joe bloggs london,
Tuesday Dec 01, 2009
the last sentence of the first paragraph of this blog illustrate brilliantly the contrived crassness that follows when anybody can or is prepared to see only one side of any argument ! If anybody cannot see the fallacy of that comparison, then there is no hope for anyone of us.
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Seth in Geneva, Switzerland,
Tuesday Dec 01, 2009
The quote is actually from an October 19, 2009 article by Bronner, entitled "Painful Mideast Truth: Force Trumps Diplomacy."
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Sally - U.S.A.,
Tuesday Dec 01, 2009
Congratulations Mr. Koch, you just convinced me and millions of other Jewish Americans never to vote for a democrat candidate again.
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Aaron NY,
Tuesday Dec 01, 2009
I'm a big fan of Mayor Koch, but his statement: "I believe in the two-state solution, and when that takes place, the Jews living in the area comprising the new Palestinian state will have to decide whether to relocate back to Israel or continue to live in their towns as citizens of the new Palestinian state or as resident aliens" is out of touch with reality. Do you really think that Jews will be able to live in peace in a 'Palestinian state'? Upon creation of the new 'Palestinian state' the 1st order of business will be the expulsion or execution of all Jews.
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Morton Friedman Lanham, MD,
Tuesday Dec 01, 2009
Opportunities lost. 1967, 1973, Lebanon, Cast Lead. Opportunities to re-establish Israel to its pre-Roman borders. In each and every case, so-called international law would have justified the annexation of lands recovered in defensive wars. And then, Israel could have taken the initiative, in Judaic principles of charity and respect for others, of establishing sensible Arab autonomous areas. Picture the vague ending of WWI, vs. the Unconditional Surrender of WWII, and the resultant status of the combatants.
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John R,
Tuesday Dec 01, 2009
In 1967 Theodor Meron , counsel to the Israeli Foreign Ministry was asked by the then PM Levi Eshkol what the legal status would be of building settlements in the West Bank. Meron replied that they would violate the Fourth Geneva Convention. The International Ct of Justice and the UNSC have all ruled that the settlements are illegal under international law. Not a single country in the world recognizes either the settlements or the annexation of the Golan and Jerusalem as being legal. Ed Koch is wrong if he believes a Pal State can accomodate all the Palestinian Refugees + 500 Israeli settlers.
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Jeff Florida,
Tuesday Dec 01, 2009
Ed Koch says the 300,000 Israelis living in the territories won in the 67' war (W.B. and E.J.) will either have to voluntarily leave or become citizens of a Palestinian state. Ed, there is an old jewish saying, if you don't have anything intelligent to say don't say anything at all. As you hinted at in your article these large settlement blocs were understood by previous administrations to be retained by Israel in any final status agreements. Now, you are agreeing with Israels' enemies that Israel needs to give up these settlements. You have just joined the anti-Israel camp. Shame on you Ed.
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Dr. Dan 2000 USA,
Wednesday Dec 02, 2009
Ed, how about leading the effort to recognize Israel as a responsible nuclear weapons state and give Israel a permanent seat on the UN Security Council?
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Dr.Dan USA,
Wednesday Dec 02, 2009
Israel's nuclear deterrent cannot be applied without international recognition of Israel's legitimate need for deterrence, its responsible behavior in not threatening others with nuclear first strike, and its discipline in preventing the proliferation of nuclear weapons. Unlike Pakistan which spread nuclear weapons technology, both Israel and India would make positive additions to the UN Security Council. As two of the oldest continuous civilizations on Earth, Israel and India would bring important peace-oriented perspectives to the Security Council.
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bannister USA,
Wednesday Dec 02, 2009
Mayor Koch you have the answer at your fingertips.
Why on earth does the "richest country on earth" need Venezuelan charity?
A country needing Venezuelan charity is in no position to be the worlds policeman.
If Our Oil companies value profit more than they value the welfare of Our poor they have a values crisis and can hardly represent a moral force for good in the world.
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Tod Zuckerman , San Francisco,
Wednesday Dec 02, 2009
Dear Mayor Ed : Good column, but how do you reconcile your support for Israel with your endorsement of Obama ? Obama did not support Israel's Gaza campaign and was against the security fence. And he is all but tacitly encouraging the Iranians in their effort to get the bomb. To make matters worse, he is actively trying to strengthen scum like J Street and Americans For Peace Now. A real supporter of Israel cannot be a supporter of Rev. Wright's longtime champion.
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Dave, NY,
Wednesday Dec 02, 2009
Ed, stop campaigning. The Democrats are complicit in the condemnation of Israel much more than the Republicans. Although I voted Obama, strictly because of Republican bungling, I think the Democrats have become a dangerous force in the world, that have no ability to lead honestly, and are tainted by the far left of their party. Actors aside, many sitting Dem's support Chavez and his paranoia.
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Zack D USA,
Thursday Dec 03, 2009
All this Bullsh..t about legal and ilegal settlements. Only for Israle are winining wars after being atattcked do thungs become "legal" or "illegal" or moral or immoral. Only israel stands in fronn of the world to be condemned! Israel..tell them all (the whole damn world) to go staright to hell ...do not pass go. In war the winner gets the spoils and the loser sucks crap! But the world sees the arab (who cost more terror to the whole world) as victims. What an Inversion of decency that is. After kicking the heck of Germany and Japan..they had the smarts to quit! Look at them today!!
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Wonderer,
Thursday Dec 03, 2009
Jimmy Carter visited Neve Daniel in Gush Eztion this year and at a meeting in the garden of Shaul Goldstein, head of the Gush Etzion regional council, Carter said: "This particular settlement area is not one that I can envision ever being abandoned or changed over into Palestinian territory. This is part of settlements close to the 1967 line that I think will be here forever."
Even Carter does not see the bigger settlements near the Green line as being part of a Palestinian state.
How can anyone deny Israels right. Look at Res 242. defensible borders.
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nonjew,sweden,
Sunday Dec 06, 2009
as long as the world thinks it is ok for china to own and do what it wants with tibet, it is ok for israel to own and do what it wants with palestine.
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Hershel Barg, USA,
Sunday Dec 06, 2009
Mr. Mayor,
The right of Jewish "settlers" to remain where they are should the territory become Palestine should be inviolate, just as there are Arabs who live in Israel. The exoectation that a partion of the Holy Land should become Judenrein is a concept that will be shunned by all right thinking people. If at the present time the idea of Jews residing in a Palestinian state is "unrealistic" then the idea of a 2 state solution is equally unrealistic. Better to let the status quo remain. As is shown by the example of Gaza, both Jews and Arabs will thus be better off.
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