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Tuesday Jun 02, 2009
Koch's Comments: Israel must fulfill its obligations even if Palestinians fail to honor theirs Posted by Ed Koch
Comments: 72
A secure Israel is a priority for Jews around the world, even for those who have no desire to ever permanently live there. That is why Jews are so concerned about the United States government 's attitude toward the State of Israel and the pressures it appears to be bringing to bear upon Israel's government. Recently, Hamas waged war against Israel by lobbying thousands of rockets from Gaza into southern Israel, hugely disrupting the lives of Israeli citizens, as well as commercial activity. Hamas continues to refuse to acknowledge the authority of now Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas. It refuses to acknowledge the legitimacy of the State of Israel. It refuses to give up violence, and it refuses to accept all prior agreements entered into between the Palestinian Authority and the State of Israel.
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daryl,
Tuesday Jun 02, 2009
The problem isn't the micro- so-called settlements but that in the eyes of Israel's foes all of Israel is considered illegitimate.
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Shaul R - NZ/USA,
Tuesday Jun 02, 2009
With deepest respect, I would like to point out some fallacies in your statements. 1)To say that allies may have differences is stating the obvious. However, why is it that one of the allies retains the right to bully and pressure the other, and the other is automatically expected to obey? 2)If a scheme has not worked, isn't it a reason enough to at least re-evaluate its assumptions and applicability? (lest we forget Einstein's famous definition of madness) 3)Your attempt at balancing the violations ignores their nature (a few Jews in otherwise Judenrein vs. incitement and murder of civilians)
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Shalom, U.S.A.,
Tuesday Jun 02, 2009
Israel doesn't need your advice and we, readers of the Jerusalem Post, are not interested in your foolish ideas. You should move to Haaretz, that's where you belong to!
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Barry,
Tuesday Jun 02, 2009
Eddie, when your life and that of your nation is on the line, it is LOGIC that drives everything. A very silly and ILLOGICAL article and not what one would have expected from a man with your years and experience.
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Ger, Raanana, Israel,
Tuesday Jun 02, 2009
And if Israel does halt settlement activity, and the Palestinians fail to carry out their part of the Road Map, what then? Does Israel proceed to Stage 2 and further concessions, with the same results?
Answers, Mr. Koch, not bromides, please.
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David,
Tuesday Jun 02, 2009
Blah,blah,blah....yakkity yak, yak. Ed, why don't you get out of NYC move to Israel and get some fresh air and good fresh Jewish grown food. You probably and hopefully have more time on your meter than you think. The problem is there is no GREATER ISRAEL because American Jewry has taken the easy bagel life here in the USA and Canada instead of settling a child from every family in Israel over the decades and absorb the whole land of Israel with an uzi in hand. Ed, you won't betray your birthland by leading the way to Israel. Do it!!! Someone will FedEX you NY knishes. Take it easy.Shalom David
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Tod Zuckerman , San Francisco,
Tuesday Jun 02, 2009
Dear Mayor Ed : Your columns are becoming very strange. In your last column you advocated for a "truth commission" to investigate the Bush administration over the waterboarding of three of the world's most dangerous terrorists. The fact that waterboarding probably saved us from a major terror attack in Los Angeles - apparently - did not affect you . Ditto for the fact that these terrorists - if given half a chance - would have delighted in subjecting you to the Danny Pearl treatment ( "I am Jewish, my mother is Jewish, my father is Jewish", and then no head). Now, you are backing Obama ? Sad.
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sam selber,
Tuesday Jun 02, 2009
mr koch should mind his own business.he doesnt eem to understand the real problem.
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Jen USA,
Tuesday Jun 02, 2009
Kudos Ed. Many of us agree with you. Israel, listen carefully, your friends are trying to help you.
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GULFview,
Tuesday Jun 02, 2009
KOCH IS NAIVE & THIS IS A ROAD MAP TO DESTRUCTION........OBAMA PRESSURES ISRAEL & PRAISES THE RADICAL MUSLIMS........SOME U.S. FUNDING IN GAZA REACHES HAMAS.......IRAN HAS ONE STATED GOAL TO WIPE ISRAEL OFF THE MAP ! JESSE JACKSON SAID DURING THE CAMPAIGN THAT THINGS WILL CHANGE FOR THE JEWS AFTER OBAMA.
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One of the people,
Tuesday Jun 02, 2009
The left is so out of touch with today's realities it is nonsensical. Iran is getting the bomb and the left is sure that it will act as a responsible country despite all evidence to the contrary. To combat North Korea they say US should start disarming! And they go to Venezuela and just love the hateful dictator there.
At the same time New York is projected to be bombed with a nuclear bomb with a more than 10% probability in the next ten years.
Some suggest that the left is full of hate. I think it is willing to sacrifice anyone for its utopia.
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jb,
Tuesday Jun 02, 2009
You are not doin' well, Ed. Too much left-wing kool-aid. Too much Jimmy 'Jones' Carter. Israel is not in the mood for suicide pacts.
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Morton Friedman Lanham, MD,
Tuesday Jun 02, 2009
With 'friends' like Ed, who needs enemies? Ask the South Vietnames what US support really means. Provide a single instance of Pal support for Phase I of the so-called roadmap. Ask the Christians of Gaza? Ed Koch has become a sad commentary for American jews. Wake up Ed, read the Talkbacks of American jewa who were fooled into voting for Obama. better if they had voted for Giuliani, who reversed much of your programs.
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Victor,
Tuesday Jun 02, 2009
reading the posts on here reminds me of the rantings of the radical right here in the US. Thankfully, they are out of power and out of favor amongst the vast majority of americans. You radical zionists should be ashamed of yourselves. Ed Koch is a respected American, who is of Jewish descent. The majority of us here in the US are starting get sick of your stubborness for peace, and starting to realize that YOUR government and your thinking IS the PROBLEM threatening our national security. Smarten up -- The political winds are changing. Obama is just the messenger.
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Richard Markowitz Yishuv Tzufim, Israel,
Tuesday Jun 02, 2009
B"H Dear Mr Koch, (continued) As a Jew, could you give away the Temple Mount, the holiest spot to Jews? As an American, could you sell the Washington Monument, Mount Rushmore, The Lincoln Memorial. These things are historic to America, but not intrinsically holy. I am sure no American would part with his heritage for what we are being offered, which is basically nothing. We give and the Pals take. Why, because they have nothing to give. I would allow the Arabs to live here with full civil rights but no national rights. That's more than Jordan offers, as Jews by law are not allowed there.
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David,
Tuesday Jun 02, 2009
My goodness. Could of sworn I was reading vintage Jimmy Carter. Common, Ed, recapture some of that saychel you once so nobly demonstrated. Stop acting like so many American "Chamberlain" Jews. Your purported "logic" is uncharacteristically naive and dangerous to all Jews, especially those in Israel.
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John Williams,
Tuesday Jun 02, 2009
Thankyou Mr Koch, for speaking the plain truth.
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avi jerusalem,
Tuesday Jun 02, 2009
Ed your a nice guy and probably a gas to be with but if you were this naive when you started your career you wouldn't have the honor of having your own blog . 1) Abbas refuses to recognize Israel as a Jewish state. So if this is your idea of a2 state solution forget it. 2) After we treat the Jews on the west bank as dirt and get nothing for it how will we be closer to peace. After all that is the idea isn't it. 3) We dont have to prove our commitment to peace . Enough Israeli govts have gone that road and thousands on both sides have been killed. it's a lot safer without your great ideas
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Mike Silver, Denver,
Tuesday Jun 02, 2009
Palestine doesn't have to recognize Israel's right to exist,or give up violence but Israel must dismantle settlements according to the Road Map? Are you kidding? Haven't you ever heard of express and implied conditions in contracts? These conditions are dependent and simultaneous even if you believe the Roadmap is still in play legally.
Koch isn't mcuh of a lawyer.
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Irmgard Gesund US,
Tuesday Jun 02, 2009
Why, Mr. Koch, must Israel fulfill its obligations even if Palestinians fail to honor theirs, even if fulfilling them under these conditions may well be suicidal? Isn't your demand predicated on your desire to, at all costs-- even the destruction of Israel, be able to identify your Jewishness as above the anti-semitic reproach of the rest of the world, not least of all of the present administration that you voted for?
Your article was a paean to moral equivalencey where it is unjust and doesn't belong. I am saddened that you have come to this.
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Michael,
Tuesday Jun 02, 2009
As a Jew I know that doing the right thing is sometimes hard. This is especially true when others are not doing the right thing. In this case Israel agreed to freeze settlement construction and their expansion. Why is the freeze the right thing to do? Because it will silence the critics whose major point is the settlements.
If Israel does freeze settlement construction, their expansion and remove the illegal ones what will happen? The ball will clearly be in the court of the Arab world. If the Arab world does not react appropriately to the major step Israel made the rest of the world will take notice. Additionally, if Israel does not see any tangible results, they can start building again.
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Isa Ten, USA,
Tuesday Jun 02, 2009
Mr. Koch (and, so called Israel friend Jen from US), I have two questions for you.
1. Do you doubt that had Palesinians stopped their "armed struggle", incitement a fully recognized Israel, they would've gotten their state in a heartbeat and the settlements would be gone?
2. Do you really believe that if Israel removed all settlements Palestinians would stop their "armed struggle", incitements and fully recognized Israel?
Since everyone, you included, knows the answers why do you say that "Israel is required to fulfill its obligations even if the Palestinians are failing to honor theirs"?
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Avner, Omer,
Tuesday Jun 02, 2009
Sad but true-Mr. Koch is less than truthful when he says that the survival of Israel is a priority to him. Like many letist Jews Koch's real priority is Obama's agenda and he is willing to sacrify Israel to advance that agenda. This posting is a perfect example for that. Iran poses an exstential threat to Israel but Obama is AWOL on it, obssessing insead on settlements and outposts. Koch slavishly follows Obama's diktate and has the hutzpa to berates Israel for not asking how high when Obama says "jump". Would Koch tell us in his next blog what has Obama done for Israel lately?
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Joe - USA,
Tuesday Jun 02, 2009
The relinquishing of Gaza resulted in the displacement of Israeli settlers in expectation for what was promoted as "Land for Peace"... as you stated there were years of rocket fire that resulted for the gesture & commitment made. Resolve the fundamentals, before moving on to the next step, for if your foundation is weak, well you get the picture... Acknowledging the International communities decision on UN Resolution 181 is still one of those fundmentals, afterall if Israel remains unrecognized by the other party, who will they be making peace with? Who is the leadership for them presently?
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Sally Los Angeles,
Tuesday Jun 02, 2009
The greatest impediment to mid-East peace as well as world peace is the hateful curriculum/idelogly taught in Muslim homes/schools/mosques/media. The command that all Jews are to be murdered, all others are to "submit" to Islam or be murdered as well and all parlaimentary and constitutional democracies be replaced with Sharia Law states is the daily diet of dogma in the Islamic world. Let us demand that the idelogy of hate be replaced with an ideology of tolerance in the Palestinian territories immediately.
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Ronald USA,
Tuesday Jun 02, 2009
# 9 Jen, First of all, please don't patronize Israel or Jews. The US is is no position morally, legally, or ethically to meddle in Israel's policies. She is a sovereign nation, fully capable of conducting policy in her own national interests, just as the US acts in her national interests. As Koch says, they are not identical. But if Israel believes she is more secure rejecting US initiatives, so be it. I am a US citizen and I wouldn't remove one Jew from Judea and Samaria. That is nothing else but a violation of law based on religious and national discrimination.
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Eric, Virginia (US),
Wednesday Jun 03, 2009
Why should Mr. Koch not have the right to say what's on his mind. Grow up and accept some reasonable criticism from a proud Jew, an American-Jew. However, he is still a Jew.
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Dan Benzvi Las vegas Nevada USA,
Wednesday Jun 03, 2009
We Jews who live in the US should shut-up, and not interfere in other nations business. Dear mayor, stick to the problems of New York.
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Ken NYC,
Wednesday Jun 03, 2009
Under Bush a letter was publclcly given by President Bush to PM SHaron that some settlements will remain in Israeli control in the final status and there was a tacit understanding that Israel can build within existing settlements.
don't see the level of pressure equal upon Palestinians to cease their incitement and to fight terror in their areas, and what to do with Hamas in Gaza, and it seems it is expanding existing Jewish homes that irks the Obama admin Most.
There is a new Facebook group everyone should check out. Its called "Pro Israel Community Monitoring Obama Adminisration"
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ALex B USA,
Wednesday Jun 03, 2009
With all due respect, what is the name of the document where Israel accepted cessation of the "natural growth"? You must be bluffing. But why? Even Naomi Chazan in today's Post does not seem to accept this limitaiton. Another question: do you write a blog in a palestinian paper site? First and foremost you should be priching them, not the Israelis. Otherwise, it appears as everything depends on Israel, making it a bad guy. Is that what you want?
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Yemin,
Wednesday Jun 03, 2009
The only explanation I have for your unbelievable blog is that you can't admit that you made a mistake and continue to live with this mistake and defend it. You don't want to think for a minute- What happened after Israel gave up Gaza? They also want other steps Israel should take. Remove the bariers, open up all the gates. They don't want to remember what happened before the barriers were there. I am sure that even then, you will defend your man and lady.
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Jonah in Jamaica,
Wednesday Jun 03, 2009
Hey, Ed: The Palestinians had a campaign of terror, continue to create anti Israel and anti Jewish incitement , and refuse to not only recognize the Jewish character of Israel but its existance. If there ever was a "contract" it was breached time and time again and no longer exists. If there is ever to be any agreement it starts with the proposition that the prior agreement is irrelevant. The trouble with your article is that you think you are in a New York courtroom arguing points of logic. The logic of the Middle East is that strength prevails.
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Robert Makoi, Gizo, Solomon Islands,
Wednesday Jun 03, 2009
ED Kosch, where do you live?
Bab El Wad, on the road to the city
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Yoni, USA,
Wednesday Jun 03, 2009
The American people voted for change… and so did the Israelis. This does not give you the right to coerce Israel. If you demand from Israel to fulfill its obligation vis-à -vis the 2-state solution so should the Palestinians and by the way so should the US. The premise under which Israel accepted the road map was the understanding it had with the Bush administration regarding “natural growth” in the major Jewish settlements. On Iran, the US administration said --we will not tolerate a nuclear Iran. Yet, yesterday the US president said that he is willing to accept a nuclear Iran as long as it is subject to strict inspections—a change we can believe in! Finally, since you are convinced that the 2-state solution is the ultimate solution to the Israeli Palestinian conflict, how come very little progress was made when the dovish government of Olmert was in power?
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Jo Ellen Davey Cohen, Chicago,
Wednesday Jun 03, 2009
'A secure Israel is a priority for Jews around the world.' Mayor Koch, with all due respect, how can you lead with an advocacy statement re. the importance of the survival of the State of Israel, and
at the same time endorse a two state solution... incongruous in every way, shape and form.
G-d will sustain Netanyahu as protectorate over Israel and her people; this will in essence negate the previous Oslo suicide pact with Palestinian-Hamas. There will be no land-for-peace in a bondage contract with Hamas to satisfy the arbitrary nature of the 'Ambitous Guest' in the White House.
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Scott,
Wednesday Jun 03, 2009
Jen USA, the patronzing attitude of you and Israel's other "friends" is a load of BS. Israel doesn't need any so-called "tough love" from the US or anyone else who presumes to know better than Israel what's in Israel's best interests. Wake up. The settlements are and have always been a phony "obstacle" to peace. The real obstacle is the continuing anti-Semitism of the majority of the Arab world. Sometimes I think Israel should call the bluff of their critics and tear down every last settlement just to prove to people like you that it's Isreal's VERY Existence that's the obstacle to peace.
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david singer australia,
Wednesday Jun 03, 2009
Ed totally ignores the 14 reservations made by Israel to the Road Map agreement. Israel never agreed to accept the idea of a settlement freeze as postulated in the Road Map - only that it would be discussed during any negotiations. Obama seems to be unaware of this very important fact as well.
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Rodney D USof A,
Wednesday Jun 03, 2009
Ed Koch is one of those Jews who really believe the rotten mentality of Hamas et all terrorsts. He thinks that good logic will find peace with Arabs. Nothing further from the truth. The "peace now" so called Jews probably are the same ones who in 1933 sat in Berlin drinking their Kafe mit schage and said ..."hitler wont last long...we Jews love Germany". Ed Koch, we have 6 million reasons not to trust these Islamists murderers! The ghost of Hitler roams among them laughing.
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Judith Nusbaum, ISRAEL,
Wednesday Jun 03, 2009
Why, Ed, why must it only be Israel who capitulates to US pressure when the Arabs are not required to do anything? What happened to 'reciprocity? What happened to reality? The present situation in Israel prevents any change in the status quo if Israel is to survive as the Jewish State.
Until the Arabs accept Israel as the Jewish State, until the Arabs stop incitement, terror and murder against Jews nothing will change. The ball is is the Arab's court and the sooner Obama realizes that the better. It is up to Americans to open Obama's eyes to reality.
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phyll,
Wednesday Jun 03, 2009
I am writing here for the first time. I am a ex NY Jew living in LA. One liberal bastion to the other. I am not however liberal. I cannot understamd how Jewish peolple voted and supported this anti Ameican Anti Israel fake. Isn't it strange he will speak to a Pres who is building nuclear bombs but he won't speak to a PM who is buillding houses? The Jewish support for this person will be the possible downfall of Israel. He care about the Muslim world not Israelis. Wake up before its to late.
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Jonathan Grant Silver Spring, Md.,
Wednesday Jun 03, 2009
Ed Koch shows that he is a Democrat first, and Jew second. Israel is not obliged to continue any peace efforts if there is no partner in peace. Additionally, just as the Obama administration has repudiated as American policy the letters of George Bush, allowing for the continuance of major settlements, Netanyahu has the right to repudiate the surrender policies of Israel's last government.
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David J Feiger USA,
Wednesday Jun 03, 2009
With all due respect the Obama pro Iranian anti democratic position is decremental to the entire west. To compare the reactions of the government of Israel in stating the obvious that a two state solution is imposable at this time due to the declared objectives of the Hamas terrorists and their support among the Palestinian population. How can the Jewish state accept the creation of a state adjacent toi it that declares it's intent to destroy the Jewish state and all world Jewry. Obama's foreign policy is as realistic as his appointment of a 31 year old political science major to run GM
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Stu USA,
Wednesday Jun 03, 2009
Again Koch writes a foolish evaluation.I remember Koch criticizing then current Mayor Rudolph Giuliani for correctly calling Arafat a terrorist and refusing to allow him to come uninvited to a function in NYC.Koch is a typical liberal Democrat sitting on his perch and dictating to Israel without thinking or caring about consequences for safety of his Jewish brothers.I don't understand why he merits to write such an insane article of treachery in your paper.He doesn't live in Israel and his insane remarks from America only act to subvert the ability of Israel to exist while he lives in safety.
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Darush,
Wednesday Jun 03, 2009
Mr. Koch:
I think you need to reevaluate the situation. Israel is the only party that has even attempted to meet obligations, and has been met with the opposite. The PA as well as Hamas, dont even budge to lie that they even recognize a state of Israel. I think the world has gone mad, and Obama is helping this right along to push for Israeli suicide. ( I guess that would be homicide wouldn't it). The problem, isnt poverty, (I dont see India or the Chinese) The problem is Islamic fundamentalism, which has entrenched itself within its mainstream. Stop blaming the victims.
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Chanya,
Wednesday Jun 03, 2009
Others already expressed my views re: the foolishness of insisting Israel do what won't bring peace, won't bring any movement on the other side, and will endanger Israel's security. It's too easy for someone who doesn't have to live with the consequences to lecture us about what we should do. But another thing is wrong. Koch begins by saying Diaspora Jews care about a secure Israel even if they won't live there, and U.S. Jews are comfortable but remember Nazi Germany. Excuse me! We are not your bomb shelter. We are not here only if things go bad elsewhere. Israel is where Jews should be-period
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stevenpeled,
Wednesday Jun 03, 2009
and if I forget thee, o' Flatbush, may I forget my right hand.
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Lew USa,
Wednesday Jun 03, 2009
Mr. Koch, If the Paletinian leaders really wanted a two state solution they would have made some movement for peace when they received Gaza without paying any price for it. Gaza was a test case that proved their real intentions. A country which is the size of the state of New Jersey can not afford to make any existential mistakes even to win the approval of some American Jews.
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Marty, United States,
Wednesday Jun 03, 2009
After reading in the press what President Obama has said about Israel President Harry S. Truman and Senator Henry Scoop Jackson must be turning over in their graves.
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Jo Ellen Davey Cohen, Chicago,
Wednesday Jun 03, 2009
Editor: Koch's Comments, please reference my commentary submitted June 2nd, 2009.
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Nechama, USA,
Wednesday Jun 03, 2009
No, Israel should not commit suicide because Ed Koch thinks it's a good idea. When Israel unilaterally left Lebanon & Gaza, they were replaced by hezbullah & hamas. The palestinians must once & for all first prove they really want peace. They can't even bring themselves to accept Israel's right to exist & you want Israel to allow them a 42nd muslim state? Would you relinquish land to al qaida & taliban to form a state on US border? Of course not. Why would you expect Israel to do that? If hamas got control of west bank as they did Gaza, they would be shelling Tel Aviv & Lod. You want that?
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Scott, USA,
Wednesday Jun 03, 2009
Mr. Koch, which roadmap exactly are you referring to? The one I read requires the Palestinians in the FIRST PHASE to begin "sustained, targeted and effective operations aimed at dismantlement of terrorist capabilities and infrastructure", including "commencing confiscation of illegal weapons and consolidation of security authority, free of association with terror and corruption". Did I miss something in the news??
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Ken USA,
Wednesday Jun 03, 2009
Joel Rosenberg was right when he said, "Israel will have no benefit from disengagement. It is unilateral surrender. Sharon has gone from being opposed to land for peace to being the architect of land for nothing. It is inconceivable that Sharon is giving up Gaza for nothing. It is unconscionable that an Israeli prime minister would reward Islamists for terror. I believe that Sharon's time in office has expired. He should have held a referendum [on the disengagement]; this is not democracy."
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Daniel, USA,
Wednesday Jun 03, 2009
YesÂ….....but will reason trump inveterate? The nitpicking leadership of this worldÂ’s religious are long over due for some lessons in tolerance, logic and reason. People can very easily use ones religion or economic ideology to justify killing people in the name of protecting imaginary lines in a small piece of desert sand that has been fought over in the same way for thousands of years. Peace is what is challenging, and especially so when most of IsraelÂ’s economy is based on defense spending. Is the blue sky tribe having its own peregrination?
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Daniel, USA,
Wednesday Jun 03, 2009
"The fact that waterboarding probably saved us from a major terror attack in Los Angeles - apparently - did not affect you ." ..............Fact? Please!!! Just because Chenney and his right-wing psy-ops plant wants to revisit this story doesn't make it any more or less true. Truth is not generated simply by saying something over and over again. You can't market or sell me the truth. Get over yourselves you toe tapping Republican propagandist hacks. The Blue Sky Tribe has not left the building......but they do want you to hate somebody.
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Eric in California,
Wednesday Jun 03, 2009
Mr. Koch you have started to ramble on in your posts.
I would not expect anything but party politics from you and choosing to push Obama's agenda should not be a surprise to readers of your column.
I wish we had a leader as strong and with some character like Israel has now. Unfortunately, Democrats in America will not feel the same way and choose the Kool-Aid over what is best for Israel
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John Reilly San Diego,
Wednesday Jun 03, 2009
Obama ran to Egypt (an enemmy of Israel, despite the Peace Treaty), and condemned Israel. Netanyahu should go to Russia, stand beside Vladimir Putin, and condemn U.S. Imperialism in Iraq and Afghanistan, and American settlement building in San Diego. Fair is Fair.
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Iche Behr Lindner in Los Angeles, CA,
Thursday Jun 04, 2009
Mr ed Koch forgot to mention that the Israel government made more than a dozen conditions before agreenig to negotiate based on the road map! One of the condition was that Israel will continue construction is existing towns and villages in Judea, Samaria and Gaza! Besides: the so called road map is not a reaty but merely a promise. And promises may be unilateraly renounced!. As a matter of fact the UNited States always reserves the right to renounce even treaties approved by the apresident and Congress. For example: The USA renounced the Warsaw andthe Missile treaty .
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Dr Lawrence White Southfield Mich.,
Thursday Jun 04, 2009
After reading Ex-mayor Koch's article. I am again reminded of why certain individuals of advanced age should retire and leave the thinking to more nimble minds.
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Jen USA,
Thursday Jun 04, 2009
#22 Isa Ten, The illegal settlements are an obstacle to all negotiations. This is an uncomfortable fact that Israel needs to deal with now, not later. Israel, a "western", mostly-democratic country with money & nukes & friends with money & nukes, has the power.It is time Israel grew up & started acting like a leader in the region. #26 Ronald, We don't dictate policy to Israel. I believe that our 60 yrs of giving money & arms to Israel, give us the right to tell our friend where we stand on the issues. At least we are beginning to be honest with Israel. I can't say we get honesty in return.
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Irmgard Gesund US,
Thursday Jun 04, 2009
Dear Michael #21.
Israeli concessions never silenced her critics. All they ever did was whet their appetites for more concessions and criticisms. Case in point: the tragic dismantlemengt of all Israeli settlements from Gaza which led to 8 years of Palestinian rocketing of Southern Israel while the criticisms and demonization of Israel continued non-stop.
Re:Settlement freeze, read about Bush's letter to Sharon (other posts to this column) in which he recognized the right of settlement natural growth and major settlement block retainment This formed the basis of Sharon's plan.
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Michael Gorinsky,
Thursday Jun 04, 2009
Ed Koch, When You were a Young Congressman, You were left of centerEven when running the first time as Mayor of NYCity,You were favorof a n Arab Entity in Judea and Samaria. Not Until the Late and Great Menachem Begin got hold of You did You begin to whistle the right tuine. Now its back to the wishy, washy Koch of Old.How can You trust the PLO or HAMAS. It is just the matter of who puls the rope the fastest. Maybe You Have breathing room in You home near Union Square. Israel with the external Pressures must hold onto the Land won in the 6 Day War for ITS SURVIVAL
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Roddy Frankel,
Thursday Jun 04, 2009
While Israel accepted the guidelines of the Roadmap, with reservations, the PA did not accept it. Sharon made clear that he would not restrict the natural growth of settlements. As for the 100 "illegal" settlements, their legal status had nothing to do with international law, only the lack of proper permits. As such, these settlements are an internal matter, not an international crime as some anti-semites like to argue. The Roadmap never prohibited settlement activity, it called for voluntary restrictions as a confidence-building measure. Read the document.
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Ben Amii, Tel Aviv, Israel,
Thursday Jun 04, 2009
Ed, excellent piece. Though I do not agree with everything you say, much of it is certainly worth reflection by Israelis. Like you, we need more true friends talking to us honestly, even if we do not agree with everything many of us need to hear it.
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P. Joseph Raju,
Thursday Jun 04, 2009
This poor Jew has no idea what he is talking about. How can Koch expect everything from the Israelis and nothing from the Palestinians while Hamas working day and night to destroy Israel.
Let me tell you, some of these Americans Jews now see Israel is a burden on them and they are willing to sacrifice Israel for their own comfort and I can guarantee you that they will work with Barak Obama and try undo this great nation. But God will never abandon Israel.
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stormn,
Friday Jun 05, 2009
The survival of the Jewish State as we know it is more important then words from a former Mayor of NYC to sway the Israeli from making disaster a reality. Many Arabs want more then they are willing to give. Look to the Egyptians for the answer. Sadat stuck his neck out only to be killed. These people are not ever ready to make peace. When it finely comes it will not last. They think in the past thousand years and not the future. They need something to hate and the Jewish State is most important and closest to them to hate.
Mayor take off your Obama hat in Idolizing him. Jews 1ST.
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Ronald USA,
Saturday Jun 06, 2009
#59 Jen, Your 'facts' are not correct. The settlements in Judea and Samaria are mostly legal. The few, insignificant, houses that are technically 'illegal' are a red herring used by the Arabs/Leftists to distract attention from the true fact - the Palestinians do do accept the Jewish state's right to exist and are mobilized into bands of guerrillas to wage continuous warfare on Jews. The real truth behind the existence of a very few houses in Judea and Samaria that have not been authorized is that ALL of JUDEA and SAMARIA is the Jewish homeland. Your Arab/Leftist narrative is pure propaganda.
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arthur Jersey City,
Saturday Jun 06, 2009
Israel took the high road and left Southern Lebanon, Israel did not retaliate after 39 SCUDS, Israel left the Gaza Israel offered 96-97% of the West Bank with leasebacks and landswaps. It gained Israel Nothing. It was seen as weakness and the ante was driven up. Israel has few concessions left to offer. It released thousands of terrorists many of whom returned to terrorism and couldn't even get the Red Cross to visit Schalit. If the opposition rejects its obligations it is wiser to stand firm. Reliance on third parties is suicide.as we have seen obama summarily violate and reject long term agre
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Jen USA,
Monday Jun 08, 2009
#66 Ronald, The illegal settlements are a real problem. Are you suggesting that the illegal outposts, being torn down by the IDF right now, are a red herring? That they are fictional? That they were constructed by Leftists and Arabs to distract us all? If you believe that, you are deluded. They are constructed by radical extremists, who should not even be able to call themselves Israeli. These illegal settlements are usually constructed on STOLEN land. These people are criminals who have never read the Ten Commandments, yet they claim to be holy. Shame on you for making excuses for them.
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Terry - Eilat, Israel,
Monday Jul 13, 2009
Our only obligation is to ourselves. Cut the liberal BS & come back to reality. If anything we have learned from history, it is that we cannot trust anyone to safe-guard our interests, sometimes not even other Jews.
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akiva Avrohum, Manhattan, NY,
Thursday Jul 23, 2009
Mr. Koch: Please, give me a break. Your one sided peace plan is ridiculous. Your suggestion is that the Jews in Israel must appease Arab demands and that the Arabs need not be held to account for not keeping up their requirement to stop the violence and murder? ! - Get real man, there will never be peace in the middle east as long as the arabs refuse to acknowledge the Jewish state of Israel. This is fact ! The arabs refuse to accept a Jewish Israel and continue the violence! Therefore no peace can be achieved.
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coatesmoe Germany,
Friday Jul 24, 2009
Interesting comments. The USA has the largest Jewish population and I would go so far as to say the strogest supporters of Israel. Some where in this mess there has to be a solution. Most of the comments here seem to be the hardliners out of the States. The good old white boys. I am right and every one else is wrong. Not every thing is legal and perhaps is still required to defend Israel. But there still is a solution. The willingness to accept a continued state of war with the Arab world is not condusive to the well being of Israel. Russia is also not a solution or a replacement for the USA.
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Bonnie Canada,
Wednesday Aug 12, 2009
Today, I could use a good laugh. You did provide that. Where do you get these silly ideas? Must be the medication from the hospital stay. Hopefully you will soon be off the meds and thinking clearly.
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