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Tuesday Apr 22, 2008
Koch's Comments: Between Catholics and Jews Posted by Ed Koch
Comments: 28
Before he was murdered by Islamic terrorists, journalist Daniel Pearl said, "My father is Jewish; my mother is Jewish; I am Jewish." After he spoke those words, his captors decapitated him. I believe Pearl's words should become part of the Jewish prayer book and recited every day by Jews. I am not an observant Jew. But I love God and I believe God loves me. I attend synagogue on special occasions and always on the high holidays of Rosh Hashana and Yom Kippur. I have had Pearl's last words carved into the tombstone which will adorn my grave upon my death, which I hope won't be for another eight to ten years. My tombstone will also have etched upon it the most important prayer in the Jewish religion, "Hear O Israel, the Lord our God, the Lord is One." For good measure, my tombstone will carry that brief prayer in Hebrew and in English, as well as in transliteration, so that those unable to read Hebrew will be able to chant along with those who do. I have always believed that there is a special bond between Jews and Catholics, and have made it a personal and professional priority to strengthen that bond. In the modern era, the relationship between Jews and Catholics became solidified with Vatican II under Pope John XXIII. More recently, the bond was further strengthened during the reign of Pope John Paul II who made clear his love and respect for the Jewish people by referring to us as the "elder brothers." Pope John Paul II extended Vatican diplomatic recognition to Israel, rejecting the threats of those who he called "Koranic" opponents. His closeness to the Jewish people was demonstrated by his recognition that the special bond that existed between God and the children of Israel is an enduring one. I am not a religious scholar, nor observant in the rites of my religion, but I am moved by two practices that occur, one in the synagogue and the other in the Catholic Church. I attend Park East Synagogue, which is led by Rabbi Arthur Schneier. I am most emotionally affected by that moment in the High Holiday service when the Rabbi with others - me among them - walk from the altar through the synagogue with two Torahs - the five books of Moses written on scrolls -- carried on the shoulders of two congregants. The other congregants move forward to touch those scrolls with their tallises (prayer shawls), which they first kiss. On many occasions, I have carried the Torah on my shoulders and feel my eyes well up with tears as the hands move out to touch the scrolls. The delight and emotions of the faithful who touch the Torahs is palpable. Catholics must feel similarly moved when they receive communion. Some receive the consecrated wafer from the priest into their own hands, while others receive it on their tongues. When that happens, the communicants generally make the sign of the cross, hold their hands together and walk off with an aura of purity and in a state of grace for those few moments of the Mass. Their eyes convey the same rapture that I see in the eyes of Jews kissing the Torah. I see that state of exaltation when I attend Christmas Midnight Mass and St. Patrick's Day Mass every year at the request of the presiding Cardinal. My special relationship with Cardinal O'Connor is well known in this city. I treasured his friendship and loved him as a brother. His funeral Mass Card bearing his picture has remained on my desk since his death, almost eight years ago. I believe that he saved my life. During the corruption crisis I was contemplating suicide and his telephone call one Sunday morning to tell me not to despair, that he knew I was in a state of depression and that he wanted me to know that, as he put it, "Everybody knows you are an honest man," and not involved with those who had engaged in corruption. When I thanked him and told him how important his call was to me, he said, "No, not at all important," and I replied, "Oh, yes, it is, Your Eminence, the Lubavitcher Rebbe did not call me, you did." This past week, at the invitation of my Rabbi, Arthur Schneier, I attended the first event of its kind: the visit by the current Pope, Benedict XVI, a close friend and ally of John Paul II, to an American synagogue. Historically, only three papal visits to synagogues have ever occurred. John Paul II visited a synagogue in Rome. Benedict XVI visited one in Germany and made the visit on Friday to Park East Synagogue. The Pope was warmly received by those in attendance, a small group of about 100 congregants and about 20 Cardinals, Archbishops and Bishops who were part of the Pope's contingent. The Pope wore his traditional white garments, including a white skull cap. The Bishops wore their black cassocks and red skull caps. The rabbi wore his traditional black robes and black skull cap. The rabbi spoke lovingly and appreciatively of the Pope's visit. The children's choir sang. The Pope responded eloquently, saying, "Shalom! It is with joy that I come here, just a few hours before the celebration of your Pesach, to express my respect and esteem for the Jewish community in New York City...I find it moving to recall that Jesus, as a young boy, heard the words of Scripture and prayed in a place such as this." Pictures were taken with the Pope and gifts were exchanged by the rabbi and the Pope. Earlier in the week, I was asked by a reporter how I felt about the Pope's approving a prayer asking for the conversion of the Jewish people to Catholicism. The reporter said that many Jews were upset with the prayer. I said I was not and considered the Catholic desire that we join them in conversion as a compliment. "They love us and they want us even closer" were my words. I also said, "I hope they convert to Judaism. Then, instead of there being only 13 million Jews worldwide, there would be 1 billion 13 million Jews, and that would be very comforting." There is little chance of either happening. Nevertheless, until the Messiah arrives and leads us all into heaven, we should unite, if not in liturgy and dogma, then in our common goals of love of God, charity and good deeds, as well as standing up to Islamic terrorists who make no bones about their desire to kill the Jews, whom they refer to as the sons of apes and pigs, and the Christians, whom they derisively call Crusaders. Together we can defend ourselves and win in the war against the terrorists who threaten us daily.
1 | Judaicaman from Jerusalem, Tuesday Apr 22, 2008
The fact that you are gay with the Pope's statement of converting Jews just shows how shallow your Judaism is.
As for your experience with the cardinal O'Conner, 'thinking of committing suicide"? Why didn't YOU speak to the Rebbi or some other Rabbi at this difficult moment?! In all due respect Ed, please realize that your ignorance of your rich heritage does not give you the excuse to let catholicism have its way with our lost jewish souls, especially when you are one yourself. It's NEVER TOO LATE to come back, and tombstones with nice sayings will not help you in the next world either.
2 | Negev Girl, Wednesday Apr 23, 2008
How full of hatred you are, #1! I hope you are not dati (observant) as you will give us all a bad name. Cardinal O'Conner called Ed, not visa versa. If a Rabbi had called him that would have been nice (in his time of need). Being gay or not has NOTHING to do with this article. Perhaps you have your own issues, #1! Try loving your fellow Jew.
3 | Negev Girl, Wednesday Apr 23, 2008
last post continued....
We don't have to agree with everything anyone does, the Pope DID make a gesture towards the Jews here. Why can't we just say, "Great, this is better than inquisitions!"
4 | Negev Girl, Wednesday Apr 23, 2008
continued...
I also don't know why Jews don't understand that people of faith have their beliefs and you CAN'T ARGUE FAITH. Our friends who believe one goes to Hell without belief in Jesus, BELIEVE that. SO what? We must believe what we believe and and NOT deny our children their heritage, which many Jewish kids are denied, unfortunately.
Ed, I wish you until 120 and more! Good luck in all of your endeavors.
Shalom and sincerely,
Negev Girl- Negev, Israel
5 | heshey, woodmere, Wednesday Apr 23, 2008
Mayor, I am surprised you show no concern regarding the resurrected prayer. If you think it through, if he truly loved us never would that prayer be instituted. Because like yourself, many Jew loves being Jewish, for some our whole life revolves around that. All my non Jewish friends that like and love me would never wish to take that away from me, in fact they pray for my continuing in my path and sharing the beauty. Something may be wrong with the thinking behind they pray for our converting because they love us.
6 | David Katcoff, Jericho, Vt, Wednesday Apr 23, 2008
Pope B16 is a great Pope who has taken a bold stand against Islamo-fascism. Remember his quote from the Byzantine Emperor Paleologus alling Islam violent, and then his recent public baptism of Magdi Allam, the Italian editor who is an apostate from Islam, wrote a book praising Israel. and has openly called Islam violent.
7 | Morton Friedman Lanham, MD USA, Wednesday Apr 23, 2008
Perhaps if the Pope had made reference to the historical fact that Jesus was a jewish congregant at the Passover seder his words might be more significant. Rather insignificant when his major reference was as a child in a synagogue. Possibly he could even have thus put to rest that tale of the anti-semites that Jews kill Christian children to have blood for the seder ceremonies.
8 | I witness truth, Wednesday Apr 23, 2008
In the sixties I witnessed attacks physical and verbal by Catholics against Jews. In the Army reserves 3 days prior to the 6-day war I heard with my own ears in a prdominantly Catholic armory NCO, Officers lounge packed the following, Sgt.-major lifts glass to toast Lt. Col. and the following exact words said: "Those Jew bums, they'll get theirs, the Arabs will teach them a lesson they'll never forget".
I have met many good Catholics too.
It could be that some Catholic law enforcers seek out anti-Israel action, so wrote another talkbacker..
9 | Moshe Pupick, M.O.T., Wednesday Apr 23, 2008
Ed Koch should start studying with an Orthodox rabbi and stop going to Catholic religious services, which are avoda
zara in the Talmud. He should tell the Pope about G-d's 7 Noahide Laws for Gentiles.
Wednesday, 4/23/08 common era
10 | Sherlock Holmes, London, Wednesday Apr 23, 2008
The Pope calls Jews the Elder Brother of Christianity because they see Jews as Esau and Catholics as Jacob. Things have nonetheless certainly improved and the two most recent popes plus John XXIII have made a big difference. Leaving aside whether a Jew should attend Christmas midnight mass, you should definitely leave before communion, which is very much a Catholics only matter.
11 | Skylark's perch, Thursday Apr 24, 2008
Its really crazy to bow down before any pope cause pope's believe they are gods infallible without sin. Moses did not bow down before pharaoh Thutmose III, the most powerful pharaoh in Egypt's history. Moses did not give praise to the Egyptian king who prayed among idols. Should Moses have lived in modern times Moses would not bow before German pope Benedict XVI either. Moses would give praise to the Hebrew GOD in heaven not a man on earth whom believes he is god. How ED can speak highly of pope Benedict XVI who wants to make pope Pius XII a saint?
12 | Tzvim Nokam/usa, Thursday Apr 24, 2008
what a queer article
13 | Consuelo, Spain, Thursday Apr 24, 2008
I love it when people like Skylark and the others are so unhealthly obssesed with the Catholics just as the Muslims are so unhealthly obssesed with the Jews. In the end you might never know who will need whose help in the fighting against Islamic terrorists. The dangers is right in front of your very eyes, yet no one sees it!
14 | Ray Saperstein, Baltimore md, Thursday Apr 24, 2008
How nice it would be if the emotion you feel when you carry the Torah would lead you to study and observe it seriously. Then, you would truly merit the sentiment you wish to express on your headstone. It is never too late, Ed.
15 | de leon london, Thursday Apr 24, 2008
Mr Koch is a cunning politician and it was entertaining reading his article but expecting the Rebbe to call him is a bit much, If he so desired Mr.Koch could have contacted the Rebbe, As is well known you do not have to speak to the him to be guided.
I would have expected Mr.Koch not to want to speak to the Rebbe while the corruption crisis was going on, good that he spoke to the Catholic priest
16 | J. Sklar, M.D. Florida, Thursday Apr 24, 2008
Ed Koch thinks that it is a compliment that the present Pope inserted a prayer stating that Jews should accept Jesus Christ as their savior and that all Jews should convert to Christianity. Ed, this in not a complliment but an insult to all Jews. In fact, this is an insult to all nonchristian religions and shows religious intolerance. Ed, you should be ashamed or yourself. Maybe you are getting senile or are just ignorant of Jewish history and current anti-semitism. You should call Alan Dershowitz and maybe he can talk some sense into you.
17 | Zvi - San Jose, Thursday Apr 24, 2008
I never realized Ed Koch could be so asinine.
18 | Jeff Sarasota, Florida, Friday Apr 25, 2008
Pope Benedict should be denounced by Jews. He approved the placement in the new bible of a prayer directing Jews to accept Jesus Christ as their savior and to convert to Christianity if they want salvation. This is blatant antisemitism. The people that write these things are quilty of spreading hate and intolerance. The muslems protest when someone insults their religion. Jews like Ed Koch think it is a compliment that the Pope wants to spread the message that all jews need to convert to Christianity. This is how the pogroms started and this is how hatred of the jews is perpetuated.
19 | Freddie in Mexico, Friday Apr 25, 2008
Join the Knesset and bring your tombstone and help with your talent you should be mayor of Tel Aviv , not sitting and waiting for the Malcha Movitz.
20 | Paul Smith USA, Friday Apr 25, 2008
How full of hate are many of these reponses.
21 | Isabelle, Friday Apr 25, 2008
Mr. Koch, I like you and the emotion and love you show for people and God's things. I do have a challenge for you, Mr. Koch. If you really feel these strong emotions toward the things of God and his people, read his book. Have you ever read the Jewish Scriptures completely through? Have you ever read the 53rd chapter of Isaiah? Of whom is it talking? People can enjoy feeling many strong emotions, but what does God desire of us? I certainly hope that you will have the wisdom to use the last ten? years of your life discovering the truth of God's book. Hoping the best for your life.
22 | mjms, Virginia, Friday Apr 25, 2008
So much disturbing anger and hatred for what is a loving and lovely article. Why?
23 | suitepotato, middle of nowhere, Saturday Apr 26, 2008
Last I heard, G-d did authorize mankind to hate.
Just thought I'd mention it.
24 | concert4peace, Portugal, Saturday Apr 26, 2008
"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they will be called sons of God." - Matthew 5:9
25 | ruben siedner, tuebingen, germany, Saturday Apr 26, 2008
part I:
ed koch, you're fooling yourself.
dear ed koch,
I am amazed by your naiv opinions about the catholic church. the latter won't move an inch towards jewry because a pope is per difinitionem conservative, traditional, rigid. what you call progress vis a vis judaism, is nothing but empty-evidence declarations, minimal lip-service to trap you and other jews and trigger some flattering declarations to please the church in a most superficial way. the pope and his cardinals must be very satisfied indeed.
26 | ruben siedner, tuebingen, germany, Saturday Apr 26, 2008
part II
you probably mistook the church &/or the pope for a democratic institution. the truth is that his view about judiasm and on both Hebrew Bible and new-testament, are old fashioned, often sentimental, ignoring scientific exegesis and research on (chronological!) historical events which occured 2000 and more years ago. your approach is nothing but an insult to every jew on this planet regardless of his grade of belief.
I am being very brief, I know. sorry.
ruben siedner
ruben.siedner@uni-tuebingen.de
27 | ruben siedner tuebingen, germany, Saturday Apr 26, 2008
to jeff sarasota, florida, (#18),
dear jeff,
congratulation, your eyes and ears are open and your brain is lucid.
I am fully in accordance with your opinion. thank you!
ruben.siedner@uni-tuebingen.de
germany
28 | Steve Chermak, New York State, USA, Monday May 19, 2008
Mayor Koch,
In your second paragraph, when talking about your tombstone, you say you hope your death is not for another "eight to ten years". Don't talk like that! That is the way I talk about myself, and it is not good to do that. Believing you will be around for a lot longer than ten more years is the first step towards actually being around for a lot more than ten more years. I get too negative sometimes, unfortunately I don't see it in myself until I see somebody else acting the same way. Maybe you were only kidding. Hopefully you only were.
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