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Wednesday Jun 11, 2008
Koch's Comments: Betraying George W. Bush Posted by Ed Koch
Comments: 26
Loyalty is one of the great virtues in life. We offer it to and expect it from our families and close friends. In government, we expect it from colleagues, but to a lesser degree. But even in government and the workplace, it would be impossible to function if you believed that everyone with whom you worked was morally free to publicly disclose your every offhand statement or indiscretion. If you knew a colleague was capable of such actions, you would avoid him or her like the plague. You would think twice before saying or doing anything in his or her presence. You would consider such a person loathsome. Understand that I am not discussing criminal acts committed by a co-worker. If the acts are in any way criminal, they should be reported immediately so they can be stopped and the wrongdoer prosecuted. I am referring to indiscretions, embarrassing moments, personal or professional, that all of us are subject to. What am I leading up to with this prologue? I am referring to the tell-all book by President Bush's former White House press secretary, Scott McClellan. I have not read the book and do not intend to. My comments are based on the many interviews of McClellan about his book and to the news reports and articles that I have read commenting on it. McClellan announced on April 19, 2006 that he was leaving his position as press secretary to the President. He seemed to be departing under the friendliest of terms, and announced his departure with President Bush at his side. It was clear at the time that he was proud of his service and that his leaving was painful to his patron, the President. If, at the time he was leaving, he had intimated or stated that he was doing so because his professional standards were being violated by his colleagues in government who were encouraging him to lie, and in which he did not want to participate, I would applaud his subsequently writing his memoir detailing his observations. But that is not what occurred. McClellan left on what appeared to be the best of terms. According to Tim Russert on "Meet The Press" this past Sunday, McClellan's first book proposal stated that he was writing a memoir supportive of the Bush administration. If, for historical reasons, McClellan wanted, with the passage of a reasonable time and not to affect an election to be held in a few months, to provide his experiences to set the record straight, I would applaud his candor. But to do what he has done is to damn himself and his name forever. To do a Scott McClellan should, from now on, be a way of describing someone engaged in an act of treachery and disloyalty. I found the single worst act of McClellan to be his revealing an overheard telephone conversation between the president and a caller that McClellan overheard because he was press secretary, with free passage at the White House. The call concerned the President's younger days and the alleged use of cocaine. According to The New York Times, McClellan "recount[ed] a phone conversation between Mr. Bush and a political supporter in which, he says, he overheard the president dismiss 'ridiculous campaign rumors' about accusations of cocaine use by saying he could not recall if he had tried the drug. 'We had some pretty wild parties back in the day,' Mr. McClellan writes, recounting Mr. Bush's words, 'and I just don't remember.'" I don't know whether McClellan wrote it down at the time, word for word, or recalled it at a later time. The first possibility is even the more loathsome. In either case, such treachery is unforgivable and unacceptable. Senator Bob Dole, commenting on Scott McClellan, summed up the feelings of most people when he said, "There are miserable creatures like you in every administration who don't have the guts to speak up or quit if there are disagreements with the boss or colleagues. No, your type soaks up the benefits of power, revels in the limelight for years, then quits, and spurred on by greed, cashes in with a scathing critique."
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Steve Fla.,
Wednesday Jun 11, 2008
George W. Bush has consistently pressured and hounded Israel's leaders to retreat from our God-given land in order to make room for a 23rd jihadist state in the region. Bush betrayed his God. Maybe Mr. Koch has never read his Bible, so he does not know that God promised the land of Israel to the sons of Abraham in perpetuity. Bush knows because he is a born again Christian. Bush betrayed God.. McClellan betrayed Bush.
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Thomas Francis, USA,
Wednesday Jun 11, 2008
I applaud Mr. Koch. Maybe the land was God given, but Israel obtained some of it from the Egyptians, the Jordanians, and the Syrians during the 6 Day War if you recall. And Israel at the time decided to use it as a bargaining tool in a "Land for Peace" deal with the Arabs.
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Cheryl in Texas,
Wednesday Jun 11, 2008
Bush is very much "pro Israel". Wait until a Democrat gets into the White House. Israel and God will soon know what the word "BETRAYAL" means!
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Rob Barnett, Minneapolis USA,
Wednesday Jun 11, 2008
There are some legitimate criticisms of S. McClellan, I am sure. But whatever those are, Mr. Koch misses the forest for a sapling. President Bush has betrayed constitutional government, grossly mishandled economic matters, continues to leave what should be our precious Christian fabric of culture in tatters, and has jettisoned a principled non-intereventionist, and even-handed foreign policy which could have made strong strides in improving relations with the Muslim world. With gas soaring and our blood and treasure being squandered in Mideast meddling, Bush will be the one in the dock.
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joe smith,
Wednesday Jun 11, 2008
there was another miscreant mclellan in american history. That was George, he was the worst general and made Lincolns life miserable the analogy is an appropriate one. Once again mayor koch is a voice of reason.
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Steve Edelman-USA,
Thursday Jun 12, 2008
Steve fla missed something and has to come back to Planet Earth. Bush has never betrayed G-D in the Israeli sense and is probably the best friend Israel has had since Bush sr. was in office.
Mayor Koch is right, McClellan is a slime that betrayed Bush as Carter is a slime that betrayed Israel
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david, florida,
Thursday Jun 12, 2008
basically koch is sticking his nose in where it doesn't belong just the same way as did former president carter.
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Iche Behr,
Thursday Jun 12, 2008
Mr. Koch's remarks are not controvertial, in my view.
Slight correction for Steve from FLA: G-d did not merely promise the LAnd to the JEWISH PEOPLE CALLED ISRAEL. HE ACTUALLY GAVE IT TO THEM AS AN INHERITANCE FOREVER.
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Matt, Wisconsin,
Thursday Jun 12, 2008
Bush betrayed Constitutional government (and grossly mishandled economic matters --with positive economic growth -- and Christian fabric in tatters)? Such rhetoric may be of value on a campaign trail but not in intellectual arguments or matters of reason. I guess even-handed foreign policy translates into rewarding your enemies and penalizing your allies for the sake of advancing terrorism in the world.
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Terry Traub, Arizona, USA,
Thursday Jun 12, 2008
to #4 Rob Barnett: your arguments are completely without merit. You spew a typical left wing attack against George W. Bush so as to show that McLellan's betrayal is a non-issue. In doing so, you make Mayor Koch's point for him. The Left in particular, and opportunists like this McLellan in general, have very little in the way of loyalty or honor.
Regarding your tired old accusations against Bush, a brief history lesson is in order: Bush inherited a recession and he inherited 9/11. And we have China and India and our gas guzzling public to thank for the price of oil.
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David Turner,
Friday Jun 13, 2008
I didn't find the Koch blog particularly convincing or enlightening. As he said, he had not and would not read the book. I do recall the charge of W doing cocaine raised during the first campaign and was baffled that his core constituency, the right-wing evangelicals let that go by without blinking. Amazing indeed that such as Bush ever got elected, to say nothing of a second shot at leaving his mark on history as, in ex-president Carter's words, the worst president ever. And by the way, excepting Rob Barnett, the above comments reflect in quality and do justice to the original blog.
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David Turner,
Friday Jun 13, 2008
In advance I want to apologize to any I may have impugned by my harsh words for Talkbackers. My only beef is with GW and his prominent apologists. We Talkbackers should be free to express ourselves without criticism. Again, my apologies. David Turner
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Stephen, Sydney,
Friday Jun 13, 2008
I note that Ed Koch is passing judgment on McClellan and his book at least partly on what others are saying about it. in other words, mere hearsay.
I wonder what people here would think if Mr Koch had announced that he had not read the Bible "and d[id] not intend to" yet nevertheless felt qualified to write an article denouncing that book and its author and casting aspersions on the two's reliability and veracity "based on the many interviews" God had given "about his book" and on "the news reports and articles that I have read commenting on it"?
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Karen, Seattle, Washington, USA,
Friday Jun 13, 2008
Thank you, Mr. Koch. Well said.
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Ted, California,
Friday Jun 13, 2008
Most of the comments above - from the G-d lovers to the Bush haters - totally miss the point. Mayor Koch is making a moral, not a political point: under what conditions should a person have a right to expect loyalty from his/her friends and proteges? Mr. Koch's wise words apply equally well to a Democratic president. All you, Bush haters, go hide back under your rock.
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Charles Davis,
Friday Jun 13, 2008
You people are crazy, seriously. You are profoundly backward if proud
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Erik Vornoff Boston, MA,
Friday Jun 13, 2008
President Bush is a modern day Jonah. Until he is jettisoned off the boat, there will be rough seas. A huge problem for the US is a leadership vacuum at this most crucial point in history.
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David Turner,
Friday Jun 13, 2008
Hey Ted, how do we evaluate what is or not moral? If someone kills somebody are we, without any evidence beyond the fact that someone lies dead, justified in condemning the death imoral? What if the dead person was about to set fire to a nursing home? Even morality, itself owes much to personal beliefs regarding right (whatever that may be) and wrong (ditto) still depends of facts. Ed Koch based his condemnation and moral judgement upon another based merely on hearsay by third parties whose beliefs he, apparently agrees with. Read the book, then judge, Ed (& Co.).
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Alexander Shoshanim - Lincoln Maine,
Friday Jun 13, 2008
Ed Koch is the coolest Democrats I know and I'm a Conservative Christian Republican. I grew up in New Jersey when Ed was the Mayor of New York City. I liked him then and I like him now. We might now agree on everything. In fact we have some things we would severely disagree about. But he is honest and loves people and is as fair to anyone as he would be to his own mother.
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Kathy, Tennessee, USA,
Friday Jun 13, 2008
I believe George Bush has been greatly deceived. He has pressured Israel to do what he does not believe it should, according to The Word of G-d. The L-rd Jehovah said the land of Israel was to be inhabited by Israelites. Not Ishmaelites (Palestinians) or descendants of Esau (Palestinians). Israel must not give up land for Peace. Bush does know truths about Jehovah & should be lauded for willingly naming ha Shem (we call G-d) and Yeshua the Messiah as the Son of G-d. He has let the oil barons of Saudi Arabia & controlling powers in banking and politics sway him. Pray! YHWH is in control! Pray
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Larry, CA,
Friday Jun 13, 2008
What do you think would have happened to McClellan if he would have come out against Bush while still being in the "belt way." As happens with most whisle blowers he would have been hounded and called the same infant names Republican's love to use when someone does not agree with them. They yell loud to drown out the message and name call to redirect the blame on someone or something else. Look at Iraq, the storms in the south etc. Hurray for McClellan.
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Westley Baltimore,Md.,
Friday Jun 13, 2008
I can identify with the type of betrayal Mr. Koch spoke of. I once worked @ a casino in Las Vegas as a keno-writer. In process of time I grew to like this oriental girl co-worker, and began to court her.After some time, and several love letters later, she decided that her toying with my heart was finished. And subsequently read every single love letter I had written to her to all the employees where I worked.how I knew this was I had walked in on them all huddled around her as she read them, but they did not know i was around the corner listening. I was humiliated and quit the job. WEST.
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Donna,Ohio,
Friday Jun 13, 2008
The day that the United States turns her back on God's chosen People in Israel will be the beginning of our END. That God McCain understands this.
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Ray,
Saturday Jun 14, 2008
Mr. Barnett, simply put, What you said is BULL!!!
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tzv/usa,
Sunday Jun 15, 2008
Mr Mayor,
I hope you enjoyed your holiday saturday... I'm sorry my mistake I didn't see the 'l' it was flag day.
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Ted, California,
Sunday Jun 15, 2008
David Turner (#18), you again miss the point of Mr. Koch's comments. In order to decide whether a certain action is moral or not, one must first understand what the moral standard is. Mr. Koch used the fact that McClellan wrote a book with supposed revelations about Mr. Bush to examine the moral standards for such an action and its timing, regardless of the contents of the book. If the contents are true, McClellan should have resigned long ago; if they aren't, he is also beyond contempt. The same standards apply, for instance, to an insider's book about Mr. Clinton. Think it over.
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